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U.S. toll in Iraq reaches 4,000
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U.S. and Iraqi soldiers secure the site of a car bomb that killed five and wounded seven in Baghdad's Al-Shuala neighborhood .
Four American soldiers die in an explosion in south Baghdad on a day when more than 60 Iraqis are also killed.
By Alexandra Zavis, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 24, 2008
BAGHDAD -- Four U.S. soldiers were killed when a bomb hit their vehicle in south Baghdad late Sunday, bringing the number of U.S. service members killed in the Iraq war to 4,000.
The grim milestone came at a time when attacks against the U.S. military are ebbing and officials have claimed significant progress against Iraq's deadly insurgency and sectarian violence. It was reached about 10 p.m. on a day when more than 60 Iraqis were killed and dozens injured in attacks in Baghdad and north of the capital.
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The U.S.-protected Green Zone in Baghdad came under heavy mortar or rocket fire. There were no immediate reports of casualties inside the fortified enclave, which houses the U.S. Embassy, government offices and military bases. But Iraqi police said a number of the projectiles missed their apparent target and caused casualties in neighboring districts.
At least 426 of the Americans killed in the war were from California, more than any other state, and 98 of them were women, according to the independent website icasualties.org. Those figures do not include the soldiers killed Sunday, whose identities were withheld pending notification of relatives.
Last year was the deadliest of the 5-year-old war for U.S. troops, with 901 killed, according to the website. U.S. commanders had warned that the number of casualties would increase after President Bush ordered an additional 28,500 U.S. troops deployed in an effort to quell the civil war.
Many of the extra troops were assigned to small neighborhood outposts, to build better ties and provide a continuous presence in the areas they protect. The strategy left the troops more vulnerable to attackers, such as a suicide bomber who killed five soldiers as they chatted with Baghdad shopkeepers March 10.
But commanders say the strategy has yielded better intelligence about insurgent activities. The number of attacks in Iraq has dropped about 60% since the number of U.S. troops reached nearly 170,000 in June, according to the military. But American officials have warned that the progress is reversible and militants will continue to wage attacks as most of the additional troops leave by the end of July.
"There is no question that there has been significant progress in the security arena, but we see daily examples of the fact that Al Qaeda and other insurgent groups and militia criminals also remain very, very dangerous," Gen. David H. Petraeus, top U.S. commander in Iraq, said this month.
At least 27 U.S. personnel have been killed so far in March, down from more than 100 a month in April, May and June, according to icasualties.org. Dozens more have been wounded, including one in Sunday night's attack.
Homemade bombs like the one used Sunday remain the biggest killers of U.S. forces, accounting for at least 1,733 deaths, according to icasualties.org.
The number of Iraqi deaths far outpaces the American toll. At least 8,037 Iraqi soldiers and policemen have been killed, according to the U.S.-based Brookings Institution. Estimates of the civilian death toll have ranged from tens of thousands to more than half a million.
In Sunday's worst attack, a suicide bomber blew up a tanker laden with explosives at the entrance to an Iraqi army base in Mosul, a northern city described by the U.S. military as the last urban stronghold of Sunni militants loyal to the group Al Qaeda in Iraq.
At least 12 Iraqi soldiers were killed and 30 others injured along with 12 civilians, said army Brig. Gen. Mohammed Ahmed.
"The bombing was very powerful," taxi driver Khalid Azzawi said from a hospital bed. "I lost control and crashed into the sidewalk."
Another suicide car bomber attacked an Iraqi army checkpoint in Mosul, killing one officer and injuring 10 other people, police said.
Militants pounded the capital with at least 16 rockets and seven mortar rounds Sunday, including three barrages aimed at the Green Zone, the Interior Ministry said. U.S. officials did not immediately say who was responsible. The strikes killed at least 13 people and injured 29, police said.
Gunmen in three cars sprayed bullets at commuters waiting to board minibus taxis, killing seven people and injuring 16 others in the mostly Shiite southeastern neighborhood of Zafaraniya, police said.
In the northwestern Shiite neighborhood of Shula, police said a suicide car bomber attacked a line of people waiting for gasoline, killing seven of them and injuring 12. The U.S. military described the method of attack as a parked car bomb and put the toll at five dead and seven wounded.
U.S.-led forces traded fire with suspected insurgents during an operation east of Baqubah targeting members of a suicide bombing network, killing 12 people, the military said in a statement. Iraqi police and hospital officials put the toll at 15 and said the victims included women and children.
alexandra.zavis@latimes.com
Special correspondent Ruaa al-Zarary in Mosul and others in Baghdad and Kirkuk contributed to this report.
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We must not forget, that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue and soldiers are still making the "ultimate sacrifice".
These soldiers are among America's best and deserve our support. Some may want to bury their heads in sand and pretend that the wars do not exist...but the wars do continue, at the cost of American soldiers lives.
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Another site to see: God bless the fallen Each time I read about another American fall in combat it hurts me and I would give anything to be there with them.
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and if mcain is elected expect that number to be doubled. 
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And why is that may I ask?
I'm probably voting democratic this time around, but I'm curious to why you think it will double because of him. He doesn't want to pull the troops out. I agree with that. If we pulled out the situation would deteriorate even further, and it opens the door for guerilla and enemy militia to take over.
I don't like seeing our troops die, but at the same time we can't just up and leave. We must finish what we started. .
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That particular poster tends to make things up and normally can't back up what he posts. Just like in this case.
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The problem is we can never "finish" what we started. Dont get me wrong, I was all for removing Sadam, but right now, all we are doing is babysitting.
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The problem is we can never "finish" what we started. Dont get me wrong, I was all for removing Sadam, but right now, all we are doing is babysitting.
You call it babysitting, I call it preventing a very bad situation from developing. Was it a good idea to attack Iraq? Who knows, with the information we had at the time, I guess it was. Is it a good idea to withdraw right now? HECK NO!
It's a bad situation and the only way it has a good outcome is if we finish what we started.
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You call it babysitting, I call it preventing a very bad situation from developing.
It's a bad situation and the only way it has a good outcome is if we finish what we started.
Thats the problem, that area has been a bad situation for quite some time and will continue to be a bad situation for quite some time.
No amount of US military muscle will change that.
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We are there for the foreseeable future no matter who is in the White House. Criminally bad idea to go there in the first place but we are there now and as I said will continue alnong that path for years. It is what it is.
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I disagree. I think we've seen a little bit more hope in these past few months as far as results than a while ago.
But yes, it's a bad situation, but pulling out now would be the worst, dumbest idea possible, and i'd bet you anything that Billary, Obama, and McCain all know that. It's just they all play to their party's beliefs and to the public to try and gain their support.
The only logical thing to do right now is stay in Iraq until the job is done.
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I disagree. I think we've seen a little bit more hope in these past few months as far as results than a while ago.
But yes, it's a bad situation, but pulling out now would be the worst, dumbest idea possible, and i'd bet you anything that Billary, Obama, and McCain all know that. It's just they all play to their party's beliefs and to the public to try and gain their support.
The only logical thing to do right now is stay in Iraq until the job is done.
What is the job we're trying to do there anyway?
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Well originally was to dethrown a dictator that was thought to have the dreaded WMD.
Now it's to stop a hot bed of terrorist from forming.
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A. To stop the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
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A. To stop the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
Well hey " MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" right? 
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A. To stop the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
G. All of the above....minus E
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B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
He didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
It is less stable now than it was before we went there.
Sadaam wasn't a threat and was installed by our help in the first place.
More radical islamic terrorists are there now because we made the country so unstable.
Oil prices have gone through the roof since we've invaded.
So, again, I ask, what is the job we're trying to do by staying there. haven't we already shown we're incompentent enough in bringing stabitliya nd peace to that region?
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The only one of your options that was EVER attainable was C.
The rest cannot be accomplished merely by military means.
And E....a lot of dems and libs thought that at first...but looking at the cost of gas now...obviously we missed that boat!
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A. To stop the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
Well hey " MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" right?
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Here is the question I pose to everyone.
Back in 2003, when we had what we thought was good intell that there were WMD, would you not do the same thing?
Would you let a radical dictator with WMD run a middle east country?
If you blame anyone, blame bad military intell.
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Well, it seems we have been for the last 5 years. 
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B. To bring stability to the region
C. To stop the murderous madman Saadam
D. To stop the spread of Radical Islam.
E. Oil
F. All of the above
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And who is the leader of the military?? Intell doesnt apply.
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Back in 2003, when we had what we thought was good intell that there were WMD, would you not do the same thing?
Would you let a radical dictator with WMD run a middle east country?
If you blame anyone, blame bad military intell.
big...do you know who Naji Sabri is?
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Nope.
Edit: after Googling...I have a feeling where this is going.
Yes I do know who this is now.
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Here is the question I pose to everyone.
Back in 2003, when we had what we thought was good intell that there were WMD, would you not do the same thing?
Would you let a radical dictator with WMD run a middle east country?
If you blame anyone, blame bad military intell.
Wasnt he on American Idol last year?? 
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big...do you know who Naji Sabri is?
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Edit: after Googling...I have a feeling where this is going.
Yes I do know who this is now.
big...all I ask you to do is read about Naji Sabri's story and think about it.
Why was a member of Sadam's inner circle allowed to escape Iraq and now resides in the open, teaching journalism in Qatar?
Every other member of Sadam's inner circle was captured, jailed and now have either been killed (hung)...are waiting to be killed (hung)...or will be spending the rest of their lives in an Iraqi jail...all but Naji Sabri, who was a member of Sadam's inner circle and served Sadam as his foreign minister.
All of Sadam's inner circle were given a card value from Bush's deck of cards...all but Naji Sabri.
Why is Naji Sabri being treated so differently than the other members of Sadam's inner circle?
The answers to these questions will test your thinking about all the "bad" intel claims made by Bush and his fellow neocons.
Oh, that's another word everyone should look up...NEOCONS..
Those "neocons" played the main role in the Iraq War that has now claimed 4000 brave sons and daughters of our fellow Americans.
Stop listening to what the politicians and their surrogates are telling you and read for yourself...and challenge your own intelligence.
Stop following and learn for yourself.
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Here is the question I pose to everyone.
Back in 2003, when we had what we thought was good intell that there were WMD, would you not do the same thing?
Would you let a radical dictator with WMD run a middle east country?
If you blame anyone, blame bad military intell.
Back in 2003, the rest of the western world had intel saying the exact opposite. Bush and Rummy pushed Powell to make assertions they knew hadn't been confirmed. That's why he quit. Our intel told us that there was a possiblity they could be doing something. We didn't investigate. Now there are 4,000 dead and thousands and thousands more maimed. Bush was mad cuz sadaam tried to kill his daddy and he wanted to act tough. It wasn't enough to go after the real terroists in Afganistan.
IMHO, what Bush did rises to the level of treason and he should be tried and executed as a traitor.
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That would be anyone who has an opinion that differs from mac.
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War sucks............we just cannot pull out without finishing the job! 
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That would be anyone who has an opinion that differs from mac.
He's clueless as to what the term actually means. "Neoconservative", later shortened to "Neocon", was the term given 30 years ago to a group of liberals who became fed up with the dems and switched over to the Republican party.
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JF...What do today's neocons believe in?
What are their goals?
Who are the neocon in the Bush administration?
What effect did neocons have on the decision to go to war in Iraq?
Let's see what know about "neocons"...
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star...We heard the very same argument made about the Vietnam War.
Look at Nam now...they did get it together and moved forward without USA being involved.
Why do some feel it's ok for America to impose our way of life, our form of government and our values on those who live in other countries such as Vietnam and Iraq?
Iraq did not attack America as some would like you to believe. Iraq was not a threat to our security after 9/11.
The Neocons did have an agenda, once they took power in the Bush administration...I wonder if anyone here knows what their agenda was?
How many of you will support a draft to help build up our military so we can stay in Iraq?
When is enough, enough?....4000 kia....5000 kia....10,000 kia?
Our military did the job they were asked to do in Iraq. They defeated Iraq's military and took down Sadam.
But now we have "occupied" Iraq for 4 years after our military completed their mission. Our Marines, Sailors, Army and USAF became "NATION BUILDERS".
Our military should not be used as "Nation builders" IMO.
You want to stay in Iraq?...Send your kids to fight in Iraq.
You want to stay in Iraq?....Support a draft so our nation has a shared sacrifice by all Americans....the rich, the poor, those who graduate HS and those who are in college.
Here is an interesting fact most have no knowledge of...None of the neocons have a son or daughter serving in our military...not a one of them.
I contend, if the Bushes, Cheneyes, Wolfowitzes, Libbyes, Pearles and Roves (just to mention a few of the neocons) had to send their sons and daughters to fight in the Iraq war from day one...there would have been NO IRAQ WAR.
You want to stay in Iraq, send your sons and daughters to join the military so they can join the fight and share the sacrifice.
It's easy to support war when you have nothing to risk...
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I just saw Bush on TV. He was commenting on the 4,000 lost lives. His response was that one day people will look back and recognize the importance of stopping terrorism and stabilizing Iraq. I wonder if people actually believe that BS?
I think history will prove that Bush is just another in a long line of world leaders who sacrificed thousands of human lives in the name of greed and power. I really detest that man. I'm glad he is leaving office, although I really don't see a replacement that will be worth a damn.
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vers...we agree...
Many are just too lazy to dig up the truth. For most, there is no war in their lives..no sacrifice for the war.
Those of us who did serve during the Nam years know what another Nam looks like and Iraq is another Nam.
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Mac...While I understand your feelings of anger and resentment considering your overall opinion of Republicans and war supporters I must point out what I believe to be exceptions to your post below.
Mac wrote "You want to stay in Iraq?...Send your kids to fight in Iraq.
You want to stay in Iraq?....Support a draft so our nation has a shared sacrifice by all Americans....the rich, the poor, those who graduate HS and those who are in college.
Here is an interesting fact most have no knowledge of...None of the neocons have a son or daughter serving in our military...not a one of them."
Does neocon have a selective membership roster open to just a few...or can most Republicans join the ranks...because...
"I find it amazing that the American media does not give much coverage to a higher percentage of Democrat and Republican politician's sons that are serving or have served in the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars!
This is a higher percenatage of U.S. Politicians with sons in the military than the general U.S. population..............................
Talk about a personal decision. Amazing young men, who could have done anything with their lives, but have chosen to join the U.S. Military.
*Former Senator & Attorney General John Ashcroft (R- MO)
His son, Andy, is in the Navy and has served in the GulF in support of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars.
This is a little known fact, because Ashcroft did not want to bring unwanted attention to his son and of course the left-leaning media never did a story on it, because that would hurt their agenda of hurting him.
*Senator Christopher Bond (R - Missouri)
(son, Sam, is in the U.S. Marines and is currently serving in IRAQ.)
Kit Bond’s son leaves for Iraq Marine duty
*Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-California)
(son, Duane, is a U.S. Marine and Served in IRAQ)
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Rep. Joe Wilson (R-South Carolina)
(Three sons in military:
*Alan is a captain in the Army National Guard served in IRAQ,
*Addison is serving in the Navy,
*Julian is in the Army National Guard)
Senator elect James Webb (D- WV)
Son is a U.S. Marine and serving in Iraq.
Senator John McCain (R- AZ)
Son is a U.S. Marine serving in Iraq War.
Rep. John Kline, (R-Minn)
(son, Dan, is a Black Hawk Helicopter pilot in the 101st Airborne and serving in IRAQ)
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colorado)
(son, John, serving in the Navy and sent to Iraq)
*Rep. Ike Skelton (R-Missouri)
(has a son serving in Army serving in Iraq)
*Rep. Todd Akin (R-Missouri)
(has a son, Perry, in the Marine Corps who is a combat engineer serving in Iraq.)
John McCain's support of the troops Surge has actually sent his own son, Jimmy, to Baghdad. """"
Above are listed 10 well known politicians whose sons serve,have served or may serve in Iraq defending our nation 9 are Republicans and one is a Democrat...there are more pols kids in the service but these I know of for sure.
The war is a terrible,brutal conflict and we all wish the thing had never been started...but it is here...the least we can do is to honor those who serve and not distort the sacrifices of sons and parents participating.
As far as trying to make political points by claiming that the side you oppose are all "chickenhawks"...research the subject or STFU!!! please and thanks
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Not sure what your list proves?
Not belittling your post. It's just that it doesn't prove anything without a full list of all Reps and Dems and the # of children in their family & ages.
By stereotype alone, Republicans tend to be religious, religious folks tend to enjoy large families. If a Dem family has 2 kids, and and a Rep family has 6 kids then chances are the Rep family will be 3x as many chances to have 1 child interested in the Military.
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Then we need to know what percentage of the population in general has children in the Military? What percentage of the population over a certain income bracket has children in the Military?
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I just saw Bush on TV. He was commenting on the 4,000 lost lives. His response was that one day people will look back and recognize the importance of stopping terrorism and stabilizing Iraq. I wonder if people actually believe that BS?
I think history will prove that Bush is just another in a long line of world leaders who sacrificed thousands of human lives in the name of greed and power. I really detest that man. I'm glad he is leaving office, although I really don't see a replacement that will be worth a damn.
We agree completely on this.
I think history is gonna condemn this guy. We went into Iraq without a sound strategy after we knocked off Saddam, and we took our focus off bin Laden.
If anything, this war should be in Afghanistan, I'd be willing to bet we'd have bin Laden's head on a silver platter right now.
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