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I hope they keep Johnson.

Worst possible scenario for us is they trade him for the picks. Between this year and next, they could completely reload in the places where they are the weakest and be right back on the national radar. As long as they have Palmer, they won't be too far away.

I think they are nuts for turning down such a sweet deal for a 30 year old WR.

Right now, they are doing what's in the best interest of the Browns, IMO. I'm happy with that. If I were a Bengal fan, I'd be pissed.




My thoughts exactly. CJ ain't getting any younger. I know it sets a bad precedent but the entire team could potentially improve drastically with 4 1st rounders in 2 years. That's a scenario i don't want to think about.

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So mae a statement to the team, and anyone that joins it, that if you don't like your contract, act like an idiot with the media and we'll give you what you want? Hardly a good precedent to set. Lewis is telling his team that the TEAM comes first, not some child throwing a tantrum to get his way.




Now you're delving into a different animal...

IF this is about CONTRACT and contract ONLY...Screw Johnson...I agree there...

Has his agent come out publicly to request/demand a new contract???...I seriously do not know...

If this is a receiver not happy with how things are run...Screw him...Take the trade...THAT'S the needed statement...







It's all over the cincy radio stations that Chad has financial problems....and the Bengals are well aware of it. There have been whispers about this for awhile. This is one of the reasons I've been saying this is in large part about money and a new contract would shut him up. The Bengals may be a sorry organization but that has very little to do with Chad's motivation, IMO.

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Bengals stand up to Chad
Nix trade offer for unhappy WR
BY MARK CURNUTTE

For weeks now, the Bengals have said they won't give in to Chad Johnson's trade demand and deal the wide receiver.

On Tuesday, they proved it.

The Bengals turned down a confirmed offer from the Washington Redskins, who were willing to give up their first-round pick Saturday - the 21st overall - and a conditional third-round pick in 2009 that could have been elevated to a first-rounder based on Johnson's 2008 performance.


Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, in a pre-draft news conference late Tuesday morning, said the Bengals had not received any trade offers for Johnson. Then Lewis reversed course and said the team did receive an offer from the Redskins but turned it down.

And when asked if Johnson's threat not to play would affect the team's draft plans this weekend, Lewis said no. Then he challenged Johnson to follow through on his threat to sit out the season.

"I think he has made it clear he's not going to play, and that's what I've been aware of since the end of last season," Lewis said of Johnson. "I think it's time to do what you say you're going to do, and we'll move forward.

"He has a contract through 2011. He stated (that) without an opportunity to go to another team with a new contract, he wasn't going to play. I think he's a man of his word, and says he's not going to play, so don't play."

The Bengals would take a hit of $8.03 million on their salary cap if they were to trade or release Johnson before June 1. After June 1, they would be able to spread that hit into 2009.

If the Bengals had accepted Washington's offer for the 21st pick in this year's draft, it would have added even more expense to the Johnson situation. In addition to absorbing the salary cap hit, the Bengals would be looking at another expensive salary if they used the No. 21 pick Saturday. Jacksonville safety Reggie Nelson signed a five-year, $9.55 million contract as the 21st player selected last year, and his deal includes $7.1 million in guaranteed money.

But the Bengals could have made the trade and tried to package the No. 21 pick with their own No. 9 first-round pick and move up to get the player who might help them most: Southern Cal defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis.

Johnson, a five-time Pro Bowl receiver, is due to make a salary of $3 million in 2008 as part of the six-year, $35.5 million extension he received in April 2006. He already is forfeiting a $250,000 workout bonus by refusing to participate in the team's voluntary offseason strength and conditioning program, which started March 24.

Johnson has not spoken to Cincinnati-based media since October. Drew Rosenhaus, his agent, did not return a phone message Tuesday seeking comment on Lewis' words and the spurned trade offer.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen broke the proposed trade story.

"I think Chris is a little errant in his thing," Lewis said when asked at Tuesday's news conference about a trade offer for two first-round picks.

Asked if the Bengals had received any offers for Johnson, Lewis said, "No."

ESPN's Mortensen also reported that two other NFC East teams - the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles - were told Johnson was unavailable in a trade.

Johnson's increasingly critical media-based campaign against the Bengals has ensnared a prominent teammate. Quarterback Carson Palmer on Tuesday downplayed the reaction Johnson had to comments Palmer made last week.

Palmer had said he had talked to Johnson, who has demanded to be traded, and Palmer said Johnson had told him he would report to the Bengals when required.

Johnson, though ESPN.com, then fired back at Palmer and essentially told the Bengals quarterback to mind his own business.

"I take it with a grain of salt," Palmer said Tuesday. "I've moved on and I'm over it. I'm not really going to comment on it much more."

Palmer said he would be able to get along with Johnson if the receiver were to recant his trade demands and report to the Bengals.

"I've always been a forgiving guy, and I hope he's here because he's a player. And I hope to see him here."

Last week, after the Johnson-Palmer exchange, Bengals wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh told The Enquirer that it might be best for the Bengals to trade Johnson because he probably would end up being a distraction if he ever decided to report to the team.


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Oh, the Bengals. On one hand, I applaud them for standing up to Chad. But at the same time, I gotta laugh at them for being so stubborn to give up VERY vauable draft picks just to prove a point to a guy who will cause them nothing but trouble. I'd take the picks and run. Peace Chad!

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If you read the article, it makes sense business wise not to trade, either. Would the draft picks help? Sure, but with an $8 million cap hit and on top of that the price tag for the two picks, could they do that within the cap?

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I read the article and I'm aware of the $8 million cap hit they'd take if they cut him before June 1. And I still take the picks and run. Maybe not the most popular course of action, but what's popular is not always right and what's right is not always popular.

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On the flip side... if the picks are there now, they'll be there (albeit for next year and after) in June.

He doesn't have to be traded now to be traded... they could just hold him until June or July, then deal him to a team out of the AFC that they aren't playing this year. They get the picks, they get to spread out the fat cap hit and they get to avoid facing him for a year.


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good points ppl. perhaps they're actually thinking down there.

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If i was Cincinnati I'd tell Chad ok lets get this over with, give us a list of 10 teams ya wanna go to and a list of 10 ya dont wanna go to....than toss away the good team list and get on the phone and trade him to one of the teams he dosent wanna go to.....

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If i was Cincinnati I'd tell Chad ok lets get this over with, give us a list of 10 teams ya wanna go to and a list of 10 ya dont wanna go to....than toss away the good team list and get on the phone and trade him to one of the teams he dosent wanna go to.....




Yeah buy if you were Cincinnati you would screw up the want to and don't want to list, and throw away the dont want to list, thus trading to one that he wanted to go to..


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lol, it's Cinci... they gonna get the trade all lined up, everything in place and then some team is gonna come along and wreck the deal by trading less for him


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Here's some more breaking Bengal news from KFFL . . .

Bengals | C. Johnson unlikely to retire
Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:37:21 -0700

Chick Ludwig, of the Springfield News-Sun, reports Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson is unlikely to retire because he would give up $18.5 million in base salaries and would have to pay back a portion of his signing bonus. If Johnson did retire, the Bengals would still retain his rights. Bengals | Team expects to make playoffs

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:29:39 -0700

Chick Ludwig, of the Springfield News-Sun, reports the Cincinnati Bengals expect to make the playoffs in 2008.

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Chick Ludwig, of the Springfield News-Sun, reports the Cincinnati Bengals expect to make the playoffs in 2008.




Probably the most worthless thing ever reported in a newspaper. I have yet to see a news story that says "The [insert name here] expect to be under .500 this year and really think that they suck."


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He must be readin the Bengals board, most of them believe they'll win the division this year.


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If you read the article, it makes sense business wise not to trade, either. Would the draft picks help? Sure, but with an $8 million cap hit and on top of that the price tag for the two picks, could they do that within the cap?




A very good point many will gloss over, but I'm still thoroughly impressed by Lewis' stance, both in action and words.

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A very good point many will gloss over, but I'm still thoroughly impressed by Lewis' stance, both in action and words.






Which Lewis, It just says Lewis.......Sure it wasnt Marvin's wife that said that

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Johnson will be with the Bengals before we play them next season. First, everyone should have known he would act silly when D.Rosenhaus is his agent. When Drew gets a client, the first thing he starts crying about is the existing contract because that means he does not get paid. Johnson is talking all this big stuff now but once the reality of those game checks are not coming in, he will continue not talking and report to the Bengals.

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I'm not so sure. This isn't all about posturing for a new contract. I heard on the radio earlier from a guy on Mike Tirico's show, that this has gotten beyond control. Apparently, there was a team meeting during last season and the coaches asked if anyone had a problem with Johnson's actions. Palmer stood up and said he did and started to explain why. Johnson began yelling over him and had to be restrained. This guy is T.O. Jr.. The only difference is that the media tried to make him likeable and just about having fun. He has already gone after a coach and then had to be restrained from going after, not only the starting QB but the guy that has had his back on many occasions. Palmer has even taken the blame for incompletions and INTs that were Johnson's fault because he ran the wrong route. Johnson is a head case no better than T.O.

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I can see your point but the Bengals have drawn there line in the sand and said if he does not want to report or play, he can sit out. So now, the Bengals cannot back down! If the Bengals backed away from the Redskins offer, then that means they are sticking with and sticking it to Chad!! And you and I know that once that money dries up, Chad will find the "motivation" to come back and play. Yes, he "should" have money in the bank, but when those game checks are not coming in, and Drew is not going to give it to him, he will be playing again!

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That's the beauty of the Bengals' position. When he doesn't report and starts missing checks and wants to come back, they can suspend him for 4 games. They've drawn the line in the sand and I hope for their sake stick with it. Not only will CJ miss those checks he sits out and doesn't receive, he'll lose another 4 weeks worth. He'll either understand he isn't in charge and his antics won't be tolorated or he'll not be playing.

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Exactly. Not only Chad but for our sake I hope it shows D.Rosenhaus that he is not in charge also!!!. Because unfortunately, next year, the Browns will be dealing with him!

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Just chimin' in...

It's a win win for us Browns fans, all in the division and all who have the bungs on their schedule... They both made their beds so now they can lay in them...

The Bungs are back to laughing stock satus in the NFL... Chad is fast apporaching that status... It's too bad for all who are directly involved because this hasn't always been the case. IMO

What many people don't or can't realize is that everything is negotiable... There is a want to, will do or have to element in every situation. Everything you use or see has been bought and sold. If any of these elements is missing not much happens.

I'll miss watching Ocho play... But and however...

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Herbstreit calls Bengals an 'abyss'
ESPN analyst says USC star is 'too good a character' for team, says Chad Johnson issue is 'embarrassment.'
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Thursday, April 24, 2008

DAYTON — Kirk Herbstreit thinks Sedrick Ellis might be too good — off the field — for the Cincinnati Bengals.

"There's talk about (USC defensive tackle) Sedrick Ellis coming in as a Cincinnati Bengal," Herbstreit said. "I don't know if he fits Cincinnati because he's got great character. He's an effort guy. He gives you 100 percent every snap. He's tremendous.

"I don't know if he fits in Cincinnati because he's too good a character. And yet, is he going to fall into the great abyss of the Cincinnati Bengals or is he going to be able to overcome that?"

Herbstreit, a Centerville native and ESPN college football analyst, was at the Dayton Convention Center on Wednesday night, April, 23, for Centerville High School's Sonny Unger Foundation awards presentation.

Herbstreit, who will be part of ESPN's NFL draft coverage this weekend, also blasted the Bengals for their handling of disgruntled receiver Chad Johnson.

"It's an embarrassment to this point," Herbstreit said. "I've been a Bengals fan my entire life, and I really feel at this point — I'm a big Marvin Lewis supporter and fan — but I think he and the staff have created the situation that they're in with Chad Johnson.

"I don't feel pity. I don't feel sorry for them. They kind of had rules for the team and then rules for Chad. This is where you are. Everybody has to be treated the same. In my opinion, this team is back to where we were four or five years ago."

The former Ohio State quarterback also said recruiting — just like the NFL draft — is a crapshoot.

Many people thought Justin Zwick would be OSU's best-ever QB. Many now put that tag on Terrelle Pryor.

"You have no idea," Herbstreit said. "It's like trying to figure out Terrelle Pryor. Terrelle Pryor could be a four-year All-American or he could be a bust. We have no idea.

"I wish him the best. I think he could be a great player, but until he gets to Columbus and you see him, you don't know."

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This guy doesn't mind speaking his mind at all... and its kind of getting on my nerves that he does... I think he wants to be the next Goodell. lol.


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Isn't that what these guys get paid to do? I just thought it was funny cuz' Herbstreit is a noted Bengal homer and most analysts don't let their colors bleed through. I actually respect that he can show the fan in himself by expressing his disdain for his bungling team.

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He contradicted himself, and he has egg on his face for it. He's been a big Marvin Lewis fan, yet he blasted them for creating this environment. Lewis created the "two-rule system" that's been in place. If anything, he should be supportive of how they are finally putting their collective feet down.


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He contradicted himself, and he has egg on his face for it. He's been a big Marvin Lewis fan, yet he blasted them for creating this environment. Lewis created the "two-rule system" that's been in place. If anything, he should be supportive of how they are finally putting their collective feet down.




From what I read, he KNOWLINGLY contradicted himself ... basically admitting it. No egg on his face.


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I don't read it that way.


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I agree with you Rishuz.

He knowingly contradicted himself.

All he said was that he was a fan and supporter of Lewis BUT he doesn't approve of the two rule system they had for Chad. That doesn't mean he doesn't like many of the things Lewis has done in Cinci.

On the whole I would have to say Lewis has been good for Cinci judging by the previous decade before his arrival. He just has to change the direction of player aquisition from scouting juvenile courts to scouting high character kids.

It's tempting when Odell Thurman, a top 10 overall talent, is sitting there still on the board....but you have to say no and go to the next player on your list.

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This is really a lose, lose for the Gals. Either you give into him and set a bad precedence which will set the team back or you let him sit and continue to be a distraction and cancer to your team. I honestly don't know if I think he is worth what the skins offered for him even if he wasn't acting like a childish ass.

The problem is that now that they have taken this stance then it doesn't matter what the offer is they really can't take it.

Either way I enjoy seeing them suffer

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but I think he and the staff have created the situation that they're in with Chad Johnson.




It's hard to say that you're a supporter of a coach, then turn around and say the above, as well as also say they are back to where they were five years ago. That's the contradiction. To knowingly do it......makes no sense to me.

Now granted, he's not reading from a prepared script, so things aren't always going to come out exactly how you want'em to be, but he can't both support and indict Lewis at the same time when he's directly pointed the finger at him.


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Chad Johnson wants out of Cincinatti and he says it has everything to do with his team's inability to compete.

Cincinnati Bengals coach Marvin Lewis called Chad Johnson's bluff earlier this week, saying the Pro Bowl receiver should make good on his promise to sit out the season.

"I've stated our case with Chad," Lewis said. "He has a contract through 2011. He's stated without an opportunity to go to a different team and a new contract, he wasn't going to play. I think he's a man of his word and says he's not going to play, so don't play."

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Chad Johnson wants out of Cincinnati and there will be offers in the closing hours before the draft above and beyond what Washington has made. Time and a sense of urgency are the best ingredients to getting a deal done. The Bengals should not give him away and I'm confident they will get proper value or won't trade him at all.

Marvin Lewis is handling the situation perfectly. I wouldn't let him out the door for less than a first and a second in this draft and I might ask him to write a check for $3.4 million -- the remaining signing bonus left to be charged to the cap -- if and when he's traded. He wouldn't be the first player to buy his way out of a contract. I hope the Bengals get a bright young receiver in the draft, and get the right compensation for Johnson. If not, let him sit.

On Thursday, in a wide-ranging interview with NFL Network analyst Solomon Wilcots, Johnson said he is, indeed, prepared to sit out during the regular season.

"I will take the criticism," Johnson said. "I will stick by my guns, and I will not be there. I feel things need to be done to make this team better. I don't blame Marvin Lewis. I love him. You have never heard me say one bad thing about my coaches or teammates. I know it's not up to Coach Lewis. Whether I'm traded, or if we get better players, is not up to him. If it was up to Coach Lewis, then he would do it."

Since the end of last season, Johnson has been lobbying for a trade even though he agreed to a long-term deal with the Bengals two years ago, when the Bengals went 11-5 and won the AFC North. But the team has struggled since, finishing 8-8 in 2006 and 7-9 last season, and missing the playoffs both years.

"What's changed for me is that I don't feel that we can compete," Johnson said. "Look at Cleveland and what they are doing to win. The Patriots and Indianapolis are going for a ring every year. When going for a ring, it all starts at the top. We need to do more and bring in more. We're staying the same. Yes, we have good players, but we need great players. We need defense. They say the money is tied up on offense; I'm not buying it. Look at others teams who are doing it, like Cleveland."

The Browns went 6-10 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006 before surging to 10-6 and just missing a playoff berth last season.

Johnson's production has remained consistent despite the team's decline. He caught 97 passes for 1,432 yards and nine touchdowns in 2005; 87 passes for 1,369 yards and seven touchdowns in 2006; and 93 passes for 1,440 yards and eight touchdowns last season. However, he acknowledged that a number of dropped passes last season affected not only the team's performance but his own emotional state.

"(Last year) wasn't a good year for me, and it's killing me," Johnson said. "I asked my coaches, 'Is it me, or am I just that bad?' I dropped balls against Buffalo and San Francisco that could have been game-changing plays. I was in tears trying to find answers to why I was playing so bad. I've raised the bar so high that 1,400 yards, eight TDs are no longer enough."

The Bengals pick ninth overall in this weekend's NFL Draft, and Johnson said he expects the team to pick a wide receiver.

"I already know how the draft is going to play out," he said. "DT first, wide receiver second, DB third. But you can draft as many wide receivers as you want to, but you will never get another Chad. I know I'm emotional, but I will give you everything I got. I've lived for this game since I was 4 years old. I don't drink, I don't smoke or get into trouble."

When the Bengals drafted Johnson in the second round in 2001, the team had endured 10 consecutive seasons in which 8-8 was their high-water mark. Johnson told Wilcots he welcomed the challenge of helping turn the franchise around.

"On draft day 2001, I said to myself, 'Please don't let me go to a team that is already established,' " he said. "I wanted to resurrect the team and the town. I play for the people who sat in those stands for 14 losing seasons and to restore the pride you once had of wearing Bengal stripes."

Nevertheless, he said that when September rolls around and the Bengals take the field for their season opener at Baltimore, he does not expect to be wearing a Cincinnati uniform.

"By September, I could be on someone's set shooting a movie," he said. "I'm currently working on projects. I could be doing my reality show, which is in the works. I love a challenge, and I have projects before me that are challenging and will keep me busy and allow me to take care of myself without football. So what you're telling me is that I can't eat without playing for you? That's a challenge.

"I love this game and will give everything for it. I can't get married, because I'd get divorced from September to January. I'm too afraid to fail to allow anything to come before football. But now, my love of the game is being used against me."

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Of course he can do that. You can support someone because on balance you support many of the things a person stands for....then vociferously disagree and blame him for something you strongly disagree with.

Actually those instances are where you get the strongest opinions. When someone you really admire goes and does something really fouls things up.


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Gawd, he makes me sicker with each passing set of transparent comments.

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Posted: April 25, 2008

The Cincinnati Bengals have taken a stand. And it's not the first time.


Eight years ago, the Bengals became the first team to insert a so-called "loyalty clause" into player contracts, putting the players at risk of having to pay back bonus money if they publicly criticize the organization.

In 2006, the Bengals were one of only two franchises to vote against a new collective bargaining agreement, about which more than two owners are now complaining.

History has vindicated team president Mike Brown in each of those cases. And if he stands firm and refuses to trade star wide receiver Chad Johnson, Brown ultimately will be proven right again.

The current player-compensation system, which guarantees almost 60 cents of every dollar earned to the players, operates on a basic set of rules. Guaranteed money typically comes in the form of ever-growing signing bonuses. But because of a salary-cap formula that spreads these big bonus payments over multiple years, a large bonus requires a longer contract.


The signing bonus isn't free money. It's advance compensation for services to be rendered over the life of the deal. But too many players forget about the advance pay they received upon signing the deal when assessing whether the base salaries in years three, four and five are "fair."

Instead, players tend to look only at the money yet to be paid in deciding whether they have a "fair contract."

If the players don't like it, their options are limited. They can ask for a new contract. If the team refuses, the player can ask to be traded. And if the team refuses again, the player's only proper option is to honor his contract or sit out the season.

Sure, NFL teams can cut the player before the end of the contract. In such cases, however, the player gets to keep all of the advance compensation, even if the player never did much to earn it (i.e., Shaun Alexander). If cut, the player then is free to try to get another big pile of advance compensation from another team.

The simple truth: Teams can fire players, but players can't fire teams. If the players don't like the current system, they should take it up with their union leaders, which agreed to these rules.

In the Bengals-Johnson case, Brown merely insists that the Bengals' contractual rights be respected. They have Johnson under contract through 2010, with an option for 2011. They choose not to pay him more money. They choose not to trade him to another team.

The Bengals choose to keep Johnson even as Johnson continues to run his mouth about wanting out, which would have been prevented by the loyalty clause that ironically was scuttled by the CBA extension that Brown voted against. The Bengals have chosen to keep Johnson even after the Washington Redskins made a jaw-dropping trade offer and then (presumably) leaked the terms to the media, in the apparent hope of causing the fans and media to cry for the Bengals to accept the deal.

On the surface, it makes plenty of sense for the Bengals to clear Johnson out of the organization for a 2008 first-round pick and, based on his performance this coming season, possibly a 2009 first-round pick next. It would be addition by subtraction, with addition by draft picks.

Brown, however, realizes that giving in to Johnson would reward his shenanigans and, at the same time, create a dangerous precedent. Any Bengals player in the future who wants more money (but doesn't get it) or a trade (but doesn't get it) then could begin to crow about the situation until the team relents.

Caving to such tactics gives players the right to fire their teams, and that is not what the owners bargained for when they agreed to give players real free agency, and to share with them three-fifths of the revenue the players' efforts generate.

Though Brown has been behind the times in many respects (often because of his reluctance to spend money), Brown also has a knack for once in a while being ahead of the curve. Hopefully, his willingness to hunker down at the expense of his team's short-term on-field interests ultimately will be vindicated by history, too.

Mike Florio writes and edits ProFootballTalk.com and is a frequent contributor to Sporting News.




Now, we all know who Florio is and who he writes for. I trust this isn't in any violation of board policy rules.......


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Wow, Housh, Palmer, and Johnson can't get enough of talking about the Cleveland Browns.

I honestly wonder how much our cinderella season really added to the chaos down there.


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Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker

I will be in Cincinnati all weekend, and after doing some investigating it turns out there might be an additional reason the Bengals are standing firm on not trading receiver Chad Johnson.

Cincinnati paid Johnson a non-refundable option bonus of $1.75 million in January, which means they already have money invested this season before Johnson steps on the field. Add on the potential $8 million salary cap hit, and it's understandable why the Bengals refuse to listen to suitors.

Head coach Marvin Lewis said this week that Johnson informed the team after the season that he wanted out of Cincinnati. That is interesting because Cincinnati chose to pay the option bonus anyway, knowing the situation had the potential to get ugly. Even if Johnson holds out the bonus remains in pocket, but the team can begin to fine Johnson for missing mandatory activities.

Will there be a resolution this weekend? Not likely, but stay tuned.


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With all this plus Levi, it seems like there will never be a solution down there.


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