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I just love how your taking stuff to the extreme.  Never said I agreed with what they did.
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I'm just asking a question
You said it's not cool to judge someone's religious beliefs...if that's the case, that should be across the board right?
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Would you be offended if I said your religion is not right but mine is and criticize everything you believe in? Thats what I mean by judging a religion.
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Would you be offended if I said your religion is not right but mine is and criticize everything you believe in? Thats what I mean by judging a religion.
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Did I ever say that was right either? Nobody should judge anyones religion.
Nobody should judge anyone based on race, religion, or sexual orientation, among other things -- yet it happens every single day a million times over.
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Would you be offended if I said your religion is not right but mine is and criticize everything you believe in? Thats what I mean by judging a religion.
Well, being that I don't have a religion...that wouldn't bother me one bit. However, I've heard every single religion say that very same thing...so...
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  and Michelle you are right its just a shame thats what the world is like. 
That's what WE are like. change starts with us, each of us. Yes! We! Can!
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Eh, I hold very little faith in humanity figuring out how to stay out of each other's lives. And, it only gets worse with each passing day.
The state of Ohio got to vote on my personal life in 2004. Those opposed "won". I'm just not sure how my life affects them and why they had the right to vote for something so very private and personal in the first place.
Change that...I have no faith...
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Eh, I hold very little faith in humanity figuring out how to stay out of each other's lives. And, it only gets worse with each passing day.
The state of Ohio got to vote on my personal life in 2004. Those opposed "won". I'm just not sure how my life affects them and why they had the right to vote for something so very private and personal in the first place.
Change that...I have no faith...
Amen!
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And like I said, god's will and free will are in direct contradiction of each other.
Not necessarily.
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Sure, just like people of religion are better parents, right Arch? What do you think now?
Now, was this called for? Talk about taking something out of context - geez.
No, but it was fun.  That's what you said anyway...religious parents make better parents. Wasn't it?
If you really want to know, yes. I do feel that way. Were/are these specific people "better" parents? No. There are exceptions in anything and everything.
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Sure, just like people of religion are better parents, right Arch?
If you really want to know, yes. I do feel that way.
I already knew that...that's why I posted what I did. I still don't understand how you think having "religion" makes one a better parent.
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Sure, just like people of religion are better parents, right Arch?
If you really want to know, yes. I do feel that way.
I already knew that...that's why I posted what I did. I still don't understand how you think having "religion" makes one a better parent.
And nothing I can post on a message board will explain adequately how I feel or why I feel that way. In fact, it will be used against me by some people.
I'm somewhat amazed by the number of people that have disdain for religion - and since, in this thread we are talking about christianity - I'm amazed at how poorly christianity is viewed.
We all live our lives and have our views based on our own experiences. My experiences are apparently quite different than others.
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I'm somewhat amazed by the number of people that have disdain for religion - and since, in this thread we are talking about christianity - I'm amazed at how poorly christianity is viewed.
I'm amazed, too.
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Who said spook had anything to do with being black? Your slip is showing.
BTW, they believed in the bible, so it's safe to say they were christians
Did you see that  right after my sentence? That meant I was joking. Do I need to explain to you the term " spook" ? See it was a play on words, do you get it now?
Right, they were misguided Christians ,that prayed to the boogie man. So like I said you cry when someone makes a generalization about a goup you belong too but yet you can make a statement like that?? So all us christians pray to the boogie man according to you. Nice
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If you really want to be honest, all people who follow religion pray to the boogie man.
I knew you were joking. That didn't change my answer.
My stereotype about religious people isn't in a harmful manner. You could change religions tomorrow and nobody would notice. Me, I can't change being black. I've never been discriminated against because of my religion, or lack thereof. I have been discriminated against because of my skin. I'm not trying to turn this into a race thing, trust me. But you keep saying that I'm stereotyping all christians by what these people did. I'm smart enough to know that not all christians would do this. Otherwise, this would be standard operating procedure.
Just keep in mind, I never said all christians are obviously as far gone as these folks. But I don't believe in Jesus. I don't believe that you can just pray your way out of situation, whether it be illness or unemployment. But that's me. I don't hate you cause you're a christian. I would hope that you would not hate me because I'm not.
Basically, you're taking my view on christianity, and the things that are sometimes a result of it, as my view on christians in general. My mother's a christian. Most of the people I know are christians.
So, I hope we can put this to rest.
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Reminds me of this silly little story my Grandmother used to tell. It's been told a million different ways...
Guy is in a ship in the middle of the ocean. For what ever reason it starts sinking. He begins to pray fast and furious but he has perfect faith he's going to be fine "God I've been good and followed you through everything... and please come down and deliver me" While he's praying a ship pulls up and yells out to him to which he replies "No thanks, I've got faith that God will save me". Then a helicopter flies in and he sends them off in a similar manner claiming that he KNOWS god will deliver him from peril. Down goes the ship sending our faithful sailer to his watery grave. He gets to heaven and he's finally facing the big guy. "What gives? I did everything you commanded and I truly believed and gave you my whole life" etc etc. To which god replies "and I sent you a boat and a helicopter dumbarse".
I'm not a believer but many of my dearly loved ones are. It's a fool who doesn't use the boats and helicopters around all us every day in the modern world.
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So, I hope we can put this to rest.
No, I do not pray to the boogie man and I can not help but take offense to that.I know in my heart and soul that there is a higher power and that Jesus walked this earth and died on a cross for us. You dont have to beleive that but I do and I know it is true, I can not really express how I know that, in words but I just do. I hope one day you will feel it in your heart and realize why I feel the way I do. I dont wish to get all preachy or anything but people who have god in their heart will know what I mean, those who dont wont.
I get what you are saying a better now, so I apologize for reacting the way I did, I also apologize for the spook reference/joke, it was just my warped sense of humor. I find all that stuff funny, because I dont really take it to seriously. Like I said before, I grew up with a pretty diverse crowd and we always cracked on each other with stuff like that.
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No, I do not pray to the boogie man and I can not help but take offense to that.I know in my heart and soul that there is a higher power and that Jesus walked this earth and died on a cross for us. You dont have to beleive that but I do and I know it is true, I can not really express how I know that, in words but I just do.
Good for you. I know a lot of things to the contrary. Good for me.
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I hope one day you will feel it in your heart and realize why I feel the way I do.
You want me to feel the way you do, although you can't even explain why you feel the way you do. Interesting.
What's funny, is I used to believe I felt the way you do. Then I realized what god really is. Jesus is just man's attempt to make god in our image. God is not some dude sitting on a throne. God is everything. What you would consider mother nature, is what I consider God. If you define God as the driving force in the universe. And it didn't come to a tiny planet called Earth as a man named Jesus (Which wasn't even his name). But that's how I see it. I could go further, but I won't.
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I get what you are saying a better now, so I apologize for reacting the way I did, I also apologize for the spook reference/joke, it was just my warped sense of humor. I find all that stuff funny, because I dont really take it to seriously.
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Like I said before, I grew up with a pretty diverse crowd and we always cracked on each other with stuff like that.
Please try to keep in mind you can't do that with everybody. Some white people can use the n word with their black friends. Just don't try it with the average black person if you don't like confrontation.
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Yeah I am also ticked when you refer jesus to the "boogieman." Im not even going to comment on the race thing.
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Yeah I am also ticked when you refer jesus to the "boogieman."
Sorry dude, it's just the way I see it. But don't be mad. If you believe it to be true, than nothing I say can change that. If Jesus has you living a good and righteous life, I'm all for it. It's not what I believe, but in the end, it's all about trying to be good people.
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Im not even going to comment on the race thing.
That is, of course, your option to exercise.
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I hope one day you will feel it in your heart and realize why I feel the way I do.
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What's funny, is I used to believe I felt the way you do. Then I realized what god really is. Jesus is just man's attempt to make god in our image. God is not some dude sitting on a throne. God is everything. What you would consider mother nature, is what I consider God.
I agree with your vision of god, I feel all religions throughout history have prayed to the same higher power, different religions have just tried to explain it in different ways.My view of god is not based on the bible exclusively, I take the bible with a grain of salt, considering the historical innaccuracies
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Please try to keep in mind you can't do that with everybody. Some white people can use the n word with their black friends. Just don't try it with the average black person if you don't like confrontation.
Well I never used the N word but thanks for that warning, I have had black friends who didnt care but I just never felt comfortable saying it even if they did all the time. Hell it made me feel uncomfortable when they used that word towards me and I am white.
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That is, of course, your option to exercise.
I tried to say this the entire thread.
You tried to say that you didn't want to talk about race the entire thread?
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Well I never used the N word but thanks for that warning, I have had black friends who didnt care but I just never felt comfortable saying it even if they did all the time. Hell it made me feel uncomfortable when they used that word towards me and I am white.
I feel the same way you do. I might have said it 2 times my entire life.
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I agree with your vision of god, I feel all religions throughout history have prayed to the same higher power, different religions have just tried to explain it in different ways.My view of god is not based on the bible exclusively, I take the bible with a grain of salt, considering the historical innaccuracies
How can you say that, when you said that you know that Jesus walked the face of the Earth. Jesus aint in every book.
I think it's great to believe in a higher power...there's plenty of evidence that something supreme to us exists. Where we've made mistakes is in the details. When in all actuality, there are no details (there is no spoon  )
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If you really want to be honest, all people who follow religion pray to the boogie man.
Sorry nduty - that bothers me.
You come on as someone wanting respect, and then you make a post like this one? Belittling others and their beliefs?
Hopefully I just misunderstood you.
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Well I never used the N word but thanks for that warning, I have had black friends who didnt care but I just never felt comfortable saying it even if they did all the time. Hell it made me feel uncomfortable when they used that word towards me and I am white.
Oh yeah...I almost forgot. I appreciate that. I don't use it in front of white people, I hate when my black friends do. I've said it for so long, it's hard to stop. Plus, to those black people that use it, "gga" means something completely different than "gger". I really would like the word to disappear, especially from my own vocabulary, but at this point, I just don't see it happening.
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How can you say that, when you said that you know that Jesus walked the face of the Earth. Jesus aint in every book.
I didnt say Jesus, I said god. Jesus was god taking human form on this earth, I beleieve that to be true, not all religions do, thats fine, but I think the higher power , the surpreme being that is being prayed to by all religions is the same. I think Muslims pray to the one god, they just dont believe that Jesus was the final prophet, thought they do recognize Jesus as a prophet.Its all the same god,IMO.
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If you really want to be honest, all people who follow religion pray to the boogie man.
Sorry nduty - that bothers me.
You come on as someone wanting respect, and then you make a post like this one? Belittling others and their beliefs?
Hopefully I just misunderstood you.
I don't get that. Why does that bother you? That's just my opinion. I think my mother prays to the boogie man. Doesn't mean she's not a good person. That's my view of religion...I explain why earlier.
I don't know if you misunderstood that or not, but as far as me wanting respect. If you choose not to respect me because I disagree with the concept of religion. That's your choice. I won't lose sleep, as I'm sure you won't either. If you don't like the term "boogie man", then I'll use a different term, but the point remains.
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How can you say that, when you said that you know that Jesus walked the face of the Earth. Jesus aint in every book.
I didnt say Jesus, I said god. Jesus was god taking human form on this earth, I beleieve that to be true, not all religions do, thats fine, but I think the higher power , the surpreme being that is being prayed to by all religions is the same. I think Muslims pray to the one god, they just dont believe that Jesus was the final prophet, thought they do recognize Jesus as a prophet.Its all the same god,IMO.
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Fair enough. Although, I believe that every person is god taking human form...some choose to accept that and live righteously, some don't.
Your view, in my eyes, is the most practical view of not just christianity but religion. I used to call christianity the gateway religion. If you dig deeper, you'll discover a whole new world of spirituality.
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[. If you choose not to respect me because I disagree with the concept of religion. That's your choice. I won't lose sleep, as I'm sure you won't either. If you don't like the term "boogie man", then I'll use a different term, but the point remains.
I have no problem with if you disagree with the concept of religion, I just found the term Boogie Man a little offensive to something I feel so strongly about. I tried to use a analogy of something I know you have said in the past you felt strongly about but that didnt really quite work out they way I meant it.
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Whatever. I get it.
Remember this thread in the future, and how you denigrated a group of people.
Whatever dude. I didn't denigrate you. Never spoke your name. I gave my opinion on religion. I may have swept a broad brush by saying all people who follow religion believe in the boogie man, but in the end that's what i think the concept of religion really is.
That is in no way a denigration of each individual person. That would be foolish on my part to believe that each religious person is bad, stupid, whatever.
However, I'll remember if that's what you want. I'm sure it'll come up again.
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I have no problem with if you disagree with the concept of religion, I just found the term Boogie Man a little offensive to something I feel so strongly about. I tried to use a analogy of something I know you have said in the past you felt strongly about but that didnt really quite work out they way I meant it.
I can respect that, and like I said, I won't use the term boogie man...I'll leave it unnamed. But I can't help but feel that it's damn near the same thing. But I apologize for offending anyone with that term. Truly no harm intended. Just my way of quantifying blind faith.
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Truly no harm intended. Just my way of quantifying blind faith.
I know you didnt mean anything by it, god knows I say things all the time that people get insulted by and I didnt really mean any harm.
Not wanting to really get into a deep theological discussion but my faith is not blind, there is a driving force behind it, and it isnt a church,or a book, or a preacher. I very rarely even go to church.
I do agree though, that there are many who proclaim to be religous because that is what they feel they are supposed to be doing because someone told them so.
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Truly no harm intended. Just my way of quantifying blind faith.
I know you didnt mean anything by it, god knows I say things all the time that people get insulted by and I didnt really mean any harm.
Not wanting to really get into a deep theological discussion but my faith is not blind, there is a driving force behind it, and it isnt a church,or a book, or a preacher. I very rarely even go to church.
I do agree though, that there are many who proclaim to be religous because that is what they feel they are supposed to be doing because someone told them so.
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To me then, you're not a religioius person, but a spiritual one. Please keep in mind that I didin't initially mention Jesus by name. I said all religion...which isn't fair in itself, and I'll admit that, cause I don't know every single religion. I'll say, those religions that personify god. And make god a person. I don't mean a man or woman or a human even, but a person, a character. Which goes back to why I said boogie man, which was at the time an obviously poor attempt at humor. I'm human, what can I say.
In the end, we had a good discussion without making things personal and telling eatch to remember this thread in future...LOL
Without us actually talking, we couldn't see that, aside from the details, we have some similar beliefs about god.
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