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I suspect if some of the qbs who played in the past were playing today, we would still be allowing a large number of sacks and the line wouldn't be viewed as being as good as they are today..
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That is true. Anderson has a very quick release.
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While I agree with that, I also believe that any of them would have fared much better with this line than with what they had to work with during their time here.
Also, somewhat along your line of thinking, we wouldn't have had K2, Edwards or JJ, who have all been sure-handed and running better routes than anything those before '07 had. Even with this line if the receivers are dropping balls and running bad routes it would lead to a lot of holding the ball bad/late decisions and taking more sacks.
DA does have a quick release which cuts way down on the sacks and doesn't put so much pressure on the line to pass block so long. Right now we seem to have a good combination of O-Line, QB and system.
I wasn't tryng to say, "Anyone could do as well behind this line", because I don't completely believe that to be true. But I do believe that any and all of them would have done better than they did in there time here.
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He does have a quicker release, but held on to the ball just as long as our previous QB's, in fact DA did many of the things fans have ripped our previous QB's for(starring down receivers, not making proper reads, not just dumping the ball off). It's just the simple fact that he had a great supporting cast and it wasn't as noticable becuase the other players picked up the slack.
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DA used alot of time last year, if you still feel it was DA not our OL, go watch the 2006 games. When the line didnt give DA lots of time he threw picks and not only was sacked but was seriously injured.
Saying that DA made our offensive line look good or seem better is ridiculous.
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He made our line look better than Charlie Frye did, there is no denying that. Just watch the season opener at Pittsburgh. Same line, fewer sacks.
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He does have a quicker release, but held on to the ball just as long as our previous QB's, in fact DA did many of the things fans have ripped our previous QB's for(starring down receivers, not making proper reads, not just dumping the ball off).
No one is saying that DA is perfect. He is far from it. You are way off when you say DA didn't dump the ball off. Thats what IMO he improved on the most. Towards the end of the year there were times where you could tell he wanted to go long, but it wasn't there so he went to someone else underneath.
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We saw what Frey could do on opening day. It wasn't pretty.
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Saying that DA made our offensive line look good or seem better is ridiculous.
Not to speak for Peen but I am pretty sure he isn't saying that at all. Peen pimped JT last year just like many of us did. No one is saying that the O-Line isn't responsible. We know it is. But rewatch the first Steelers game. It is safe to say that Frey made the O-Line look a lot worst than DA did.
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None of us can predict what will happen. Nobody on this board though DA would have the season he had, & few thought we'd be 10-6. It's fun to speculate, though.
I just hope that either DA or Quinn seizes the job in TC/pre-season so we can get on with things.
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Nothing there that I don't agree with.
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I get what you are saying, but I have to address a few things that you are saying: 1. Except for the one game, DA actually did look better than Charlie in 2006. He had that one miserable game where he threw 3 or 4 picks, got sacked a lot, and then was injured. Other than that, he played better than Charlie. And I was backing Charlie, not DA. 2. Our receivers do NOT run good routes. They are good at a lot of things. They did improve their route running this past year. But, they do not even come close to be good route runners. Where the hell did you get that from? 3. Sure-handed? LOL...........they aren't quite that either. Edwards had to be near the top of the league in drops. K2 dropped more balls last year than one would expect. Our running backs dropped balls. It kinda kills me that people don't remember this. In fact, when BQ played and went 3 for 8, people will rush to tell you that his receivers dropped two passes. In that same game, Wright dropped a perfect pass from DA in the end zone and Edwards dropped two over the middle. No mention of that though. The selective thought process is more than ironic.  What our receivers did do was make some spectacular catches for DA. Edwards and K2 made many terrific catches. Their athleticism allows them to leap high and they have an uncanny ability to make the difficult catch. But ddubia, they are not sure-handed. In fact, I have a theory about Edwards. You would be better served as a QB not to throw the ball into his body. If you watch him, when the ball is between the numbers, he doesn't extend his hands. He allows the ball to get into his body and it often ricochets off of him. However, when he has to reach for the ball or extend his hands, he is very sure-handed. But ddubia, he drops a lot of passes. 4. ddubia, I was off for Spring Break last week and I was watching some of the games again. DA had a ton of time on many plays, but there were more plays where he did get some quick pressure, especially up the middle. His quick reads, check downs, and quick release saved many a sack. And believe me.......that is one of the reasons the OL loves him. They know it. They talk about it. DA is one of them because of it. They like the fact that they know where he is going to be. And they love the fact that he gets rid of the ball and that if they make a mistake, he will cover for them by getting rid of it quick. That's huge w/the OL. It's probably important for you to understand that. BrownsFanZ: Quote:
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Once again, you couldn't be more wrong. Dude, we understand you dislike DA. But if you are going to make things up, which I know you will, can you at least do a little research and post things that are somewhat believable?
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Sorry man, that is how it goes.
A qb can very easily make his line look good or bad.
You get the ball out, the sack totals go down and the uneducated line pimps of the world think the line is great and the qb makes poor decisions.....
Part of DA's problem is he does get the ball out. Some of those passes people call crazy passes were thrown with no time left on the qb clock...throw or get sacked.
Again, a qb plays a big role in helping his line look good.
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Our receivers do NOT run good routes. They are good at a lot of things. They did improve their route running this past year. But, they do not even come close to be good route runners. Where the hell did you get that from?
The route running was better last season. That's all I was trying to say. JJ runs great routes for his speed and Edwards was improved. Comparing that to receiver groups of previous years, last season was a big improvement. You don't throw for the yards and TD's DA did if the receivers are that sloppy.
Better route running helped DA get rid of the ball.
I felt, in the past, that Frye held the ball many times because receivers were not at the spot they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. Frye saw it, hesitated, and the window was lost. I believe that accounted for a lot of scrambling back then. To compound the problem, the OL couldn't hold. Frye took sacks for both holding the ball and for bailing out. Sometimes it was all on him.
DA doesn't do much of either of those things. He knows better than to scramble so he makes a quick decisions and gets rid of the ball. But we have to give the recievers some credit for doing a good job of allowing that to happen.
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Again, compared to previous seasons yes. Sure-handed might have been a bit over the top but our guys caught balls that needed to be caught when it mattered.
On some of those 3rd and long throws that DA made look easy, at least part of the credit has to be given to our receivers hauling them in. Those weren't always perfect throws but they were often put on a spot where they were catchable and they were caught. I will say too that some of those throws were incredibly on target that gave the receiver way more than a fighting chance. We didn't have that in the past either.
In the past, good throws, important throws were often muffed putting our D back on the field. A lot of drives were killed by untimely drops in '05 and '06. In the '07 season that wasn't happening. We had drops for sure, but they made up for it. This past season we saw the best group of receivers and the "surest-hands" as a group we've had since Kosar played.
Drops are drops. Can't deny there were drops. Even K2 had them and I think he has the best hands on the team. But 3800 yards and 29 TD's tells me the chains were moving and receivers were catching the ball. And besides the circus catches our guys also made many, many clutch catches.
As far as the Quinn drops go I felt our receivers were pressing in an attempt to help Quinn look good. No conspiracy there, just what I believe any teammate would do; try to make the rookie's first outing successful. The throw to Edwards in the endzone was a bit late which allowed the DB to catch up with him but he'd been making catches like that all season. Even worse was the K2 dropped TD. I'd bet that 1999 times out of 2000 that if you hit K2 in the numbers while he is standing still he makes the catch. That one he dropped. I just think they were pressing.
I don't think I was thinking selective and forgetting the drops. But the drops weren't so critical as they were in the past. If a drop killed a drive, they'd just come out next series and make up for it. We didn't have much of that in the past for either the QB or the receiver positions.
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His quick reads, check downs, and quick release saved many a sack. And believe me.......that is one of the reasons the OL loves him. They know it. They talk about it. DA is one of them because of it. They like the fact that they know where he is going to be. And they love the fact that he gets rid of the ball and that if they make a mistake, he will cover for them by getting rid of it quick. That's huge w/the OL. It's probably important for you to understand that.
I think I do understand that. All of that. But it's not all DA just as it's not all the OL just as it's not all the receives. That's the only point I was trying to make.
This is the best OL we've had for a long, long time. I don't think there's any denying that. With that being a given it's impossible not to think that our previous QB's, many who ended up on IR, couldn't have done better than they did with the OL they had then.
If that's a fact then it's also a fact that the OL helped DA a lot. Meaning that he had more success than he would have had with the OLs of the past.
Add to that the complementary skills of DA and Lewis and defenses faced a Browns team that was not one-dimensional for the first time in years. Deep ball or run. It's hard to defend them both without allowing some success in one or the other or over the middle. Even it it's only average success in each, that makes us average. When was the last time we were average on offense?
And as I said in my previous post, I'm not saying any QB could have done what DA did. He does bring a certain skill-set that fits this particular offense very well. But he doesn't deserve "too much" of the credit. He deserves the "right amount" of the credit.
The quick release, which is obvious, is a great help in many ways. Some of his better imtermediate downfield throws for good chunks of yardage were by quick decisions and a quick release. I think Garcia had a quick release, but he never had the time, or the route runners, to make a quick decision. The same goes for Frye though I'm not sure he possed the abilities of either DA or Garcia.
Something makes me think you took a bit of offense from my remarks as though I was giving the OL the credit that DA earned. I wasn't but neither was I sure I worded any of it right when I hurriedly wrote it.
Too many are looking for the the key to the offense's good play in '07. I feel the key was the entire offensive unit. Sure there were major changes from '06; new QB, new RB, new left side of the OL, different personal on the right side of the OL and an entirely new scheme.
But none of those individual improvements was the key to the success. The key to the success was the working as an entire unit. Edwards doesn't catch the second most TD's of all receivers without DA. DA doesn't make those throws without the OL and Lewis taking pressure off. Lewis doesn't have the success he did without the receivers running better routes and catching the ball. The OL doesn't have the success they did without DA's quick release, the receiver's being in their spots and the running game which took pressure off the passing game as the passing game took presure off the running game.
That was all a pile of gobblety-gook. But that's how hard it is to give credit where credit's due. It would take a whole page to describe the many intricate ways everything and every unit is dependent on the others.
That's why the "stats are for losers" is an accurate statement. A receiver's numbers could be down and the real reason for that could be that the running game lacks success making the team one dimensional: passing. So the defense keys on the passing attack and and shuts it down. The poor running game, in turn, could be on the OL, or it could be on the RB. Point is, every unit is dependant on each of the other units for their own success.
They all played a part and no one unit can take all the credit for their individual unit's success. Many things have to fall in place for that and in '07 they did.
Of course, you know all of this so I'm not really schooling you, or anyone else for that matter. I just want to clarify that I do understand pretty much what each unit had brought to the table and didn't mean to minimize the contributions of any of them nor allow and one position or unit to get the majority of the credit as though that were the key.
It all starts with having a solid QB and it all starts with having a solid OL and it all starts with having a solid RB and it all starts with having a solid group of WR's.
It all starts with all of them.
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But the drops weren't so critical as they were in the past. If a drop killed a drive, they'd just come out next series and make up for it.
It really bugs me to no end that I feel this observation is very true.
I believe that Edwards was tied in the league for the most drops among all receivers. That is simply unacceptable, and he needs to work on that. I hate (and at the same time appreciate) the fact that we were able to overcome those mistakes because that will not always be the case. If Winslow goes down, this offense becomes average and Edwards will have to carry us. First, I don't know that he's capable (he might be), but if we were ever put in that situation, those simple drops he makes will kill us.
Vers: I agree with you wholeheartedly about Edwards. Anytime he is forced to catch the ball with his hands, he displays very good hands. If the throw allows him to catch it with his body, he will opt for that ... and often that results in a ricochet off his torso ... and ultimately a drop.
I really hope he is working on that this offseason.
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I believe that Edwards was tied in the league for the most drops among all receivers. That is simply unacceptable, and he needs to work on that. I hate (and at the same time appreciate) the fact that we were able to overcome those mistakes because that will not always be the case. If Winslow goes down, this offense becomes average and Edwards will have to carry us. First, I don't know that he's capable (he might be), but if we were ever put in that situation, those simple drops he makes will kill us.
Drops have always been a problem for Edwards. He makes amazing catches and he drops the ball sometimes. He's been working on it every offseason, and he definitely improved this year over last.
But if you think that you're ever going to get a Torry Holt, Hines Ward, surehanded reciever; that's just not going to be Braylon. You get something much closer to that with KW2 IMO.
I do believe his route running improved and he's a real matchup problem with his height/speed and agility. He makes big plays. This makes up for the fact that he might miss a ball once in awhile.
One thing I would like to stress though is the fact that the more passes thrown a reciever's way, the more drops he will have. Braylon has better hands than many other recievers in the league, but since he gets the ball thrown to him so much he is bound to drop more. The drops come with 1300 yards and 16 TDs. That's just how it is.
I've always supported Edwards, I don't think he's the best in the league, but he's definitely a top-reciever and can do some things that other guys can't. Is KW2 more valuable to the team, yes. That's because Winslow is our best player, but Edwards is very good too. And yes, I do think that the offense will still role if Winslow goes down. Edwards might drop a ball or two, but we still have other weapons as well with JJ and Stallworth and Heiden and our RBs: guys who might get more opportunities without our top target in the offense (Winslow has gotta have the ball thrown to him the most). It's all about matchups, and Edwards is a tough guy for a defense to deal with.
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Is KW2 more valuable to the team, yes. That's because Winslow is our best player, but Edwards is very good too.
Watch what happens if Brey goes down versus Winslow...
The comparative difference isn't even close...
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You may be right in a general sense, but I don't think that is right for us. Winslow is our best receiver ... our most talented receiver. He is basically unguardable ... too fast for the bigger defenders ... too big for the smaller ones ... one of the best set of hands in the NFL. He allows Edwards to get one on one matchups, in which he'll win most of them.
So are you saying that we would be better off losing the more talented receiver? I just can't buy that.
I'm going to think some more about what you said and the reasons why you might have said that. Again, I may agree with you in a general sense, but I don't think I'll end up agreeing with you as it applies to us.
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TE's are NOTHING in the NFL...#1 WR's are...#1 WR's are one of the 5 CRITICAL positions to fill as Franchise Players...TE's are a luxury...Winslow talent or not...Gonzalez talent or not...
Are you kidding me? With the amount of catches Winslow made this year he is the same as one of our two-top recievers.
Watching the games (which I know you do), it doesn't matter what position the guy plays it's how he is utilized. He is utilized as a reciever, so I hold him as being no different than any other wideout. As I explained before, it's about matchups.
Winslow is the best player on our team, the reason that we don't know the effect of not having him on the field is because he goes balls to the wall and plays every game. Since coming back from his injury, I don't think he's ever missed a game (two seasons probably). The dude's a warrior.
Edwards is great because no matter what his production is, teams gameplan against him. But if you think that teams don't put the same if-not more effort into game planning against Winslow, you're nuts.
He might as well be a reciever, he just lines up as a TE and blocks on running plays. I don't see how you can say that Braylon is more important than our best player, just don't see it.
Please explain this, and explain these 5 critical positions thing too. It seems rediculous to me. Teams gameplan against Winslow the same way they gameplan against Edwards. Winslow has the ball thrown to him more than Edwards and has a lot of yards as well. Don't get it..............
And I'm not bashing Braylon, I just watch the games and see that Winslow is a better player, without a doubt. TE or WR, I see Winslow as one of the top guys in the league.
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I completely disagree w/this. In fact, I think the WR position is one of the easiest to fill. WRs have to rely on too many other positions to ever be considered as franchise players.
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The comparative difference isn't even close...
You're right, but you have it backwards. Didn't anyone watch the NE game? Didn't you all hear Belichick saying that there was only one guy on the team who could beat them, and that it was K2. He said they needed to shut him down and take him out of the offense. K2 opens up a ton of stuff for BE.
Together, they form a nice combination. Combine that w/DA's strong arm, a good pass blocking OL, and a tough RB in Lewis........it ain't no wonder we had a very good O last year, despite the crappy ass D we put out there.
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I gotta disagree as well. Look at Gates and Gonzalez, for example. They ARE the passing game. A good tight end, like those 2 and Winslow will open up the game to the receivers.
Luckily for us, we not only have Braylon, we now have one of the faster WRs in the NFL in Stallworth, which potentially could mean a BIG year for K2. DCs are going to have nightmares trying to figure out ways to stop us. You and I know damn well that a LB isn't going to cover K2. An elite TE is more rare IMO that an elite WR, so the logic of a TE being "nothing" doesn't make much sense to me.
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I agree with what both of you have said. Look what the majority of teams have done that have drafted a "franchise" WR. Teams like Detroit or Miami last season or Pittsburgh's downfall after they drafted Holmes.
Give me a franchise OLman over a receiver any day of the week. They're involved on every single play.
But that's beside the point a bit.
A good TE like Todd Heap can be good for confusing the defense. They can be very important when they line up as a blocker. They can chip and then go out on a play action, and this is just the tip of the ice berg.
I think a great TE like Winslow is more important than a franchise WR.
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Hey............we agreed on something. Gotta love that! 
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Route running seemed better b/c we had a strong armed QB who could deliver the ball....
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Sanders will have his chance this year. The WRs corps right now is Edwards, Stallworth, Jurevicius, Cribbs, and ???.
Sanders, Wilson, and Steptoe have to step their game up if they want to be on the team.
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We have as good of a WR corp as most NFL teams do. And yes, dropped passes are a part of life.......................on ALL NFL teams. So you can quit making excuses for DA's poor pass completion %. You only buy that line for QB's you DO like. Everybody else? You say exactly what I just said above.  And yes, from Gonzo to Gates, good TE's DO make a huge difference. It all depends on your O scheme. But then again, you already knew that.......................
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j/c Didn't see this anywhere else, figured this would be the proper place. www.KFFL.comVikings | Team was interested in Anderson Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:28:19 -0700 Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said the Vikings had discussions about pursuing Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson if he was available as a restricted free agent during the offseason, but they thought the price tag of a first-round and third-round draft choice was too much.
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Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said the Vikings had discussions about pursuing Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson if he was available as a restricted free agent during the offseason, but they thought the price tag of a first-round and third-round draft choice was too much.
So at the end of the day, they were interested...but not THAT interested. Would it matter anymore? Does anyone think Savage will even entertain offers for DA?
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I think it depends on the amount of money the Vikings offered, and what the Browns would have then had to match. If the Vikings offered DA 6 years, $60 million, I think Savage takes the picks. If the Vikings only offer 3 or 4 years, I think Savage probably matches.
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Didn't see this anywhere else, figured this would be the proper place.
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Vikings | Team was interested in Anderson
Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:28:19 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said the Vikings had discussions about pursuing Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson if he was available as a restricted free agent during the offseason, but they thought the price tag of a first-round and third-round draft choice was too much.
So at the end of the day, they were interested...but not THAT interested. Would it matter anymore? Does anyone think Savage will even entertain offers for DA?
Without meaning it the way it sounds.........The only ones that think Savage would entertain offers for Anderson don't have a complete grasp of the big picture.
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I think you probably do mean it the way it sound.  If this is true, does it mean Savage was unwilling to go down from a 1st and 3rd? I would think if they were really interested they would have talked to us about possibly making a trade for less. If that's the case, is it right to infer that Savage doesn't have complete faith in Quinn yet? Could it mean that Savage wants to win now and he is unwilling to go with just one QB in case of injury? I hate speculating, but I'm bored.
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Well I'll speculate..
Derek's signing can have a variety of reasons behind them such as, Derek is being considered for the future,and Phil wants to give him a opportunity to make it in 08..
It doesn't mean they don't like Quinn..but this year it's about Derek..find out if he'll improve or show the same weaknesses he has..then after 08 they make a move.
They also want to keep a postion that was a joke before 07 a strength..
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I think you probably do mean it the way it sound.
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Could it mean that Savage wants to win now and he is unwilling to go with just one QB in case of injury?
Nah. Couldn't be.
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I think we signed Derek so we can trade him for a kicker, who will then be used in trade for a CB and a backup DT, we will then trade our 4th and 5th rounders for a Safety. We then package our new safety and DT for a WR, we use that WR and the CB to trade for a ST player and a new waterboy. We take the ST player and trade him for a ballboy. We trade the Ballboy and the ST player for Derek. Now it looks like we ripped a team off by trading a ballboy and a waterboy for Derek. Savage is a genius.
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So you can quit making excuses for DA's poor pass completion %.
Or what?
And who was talking about his pass completion percentage? 
I don't think it's all that important. I'll take first downs, big plays, stretching the defense, points, and wins over completion percentage any day of the week.
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So you can quit making excuses for DA's poor pass completion %.
Or what?
And who was talking about his pass completion percentage?
I don't think it's all that important. I'll take first downs, big plays, stretching the defense, points, and wins over completion percentage any day of the week.
Agreed but it would be nice to see DA round out some or his rough spots. I would take a little more touch on the 15 yard passes but I dont think he is ever going to be a pinpoint passer. You cant thread the needle everytime when you are firing with a rocket launcher
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I think he does show some touch, but no one on here agrees w/me on that.
However, DA has a lot to improve on. He was a first year starter and he made a lot mistakes. He also has a couple of mechanical things he needs to work out. In no way do I think he is a finished product.
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I think he does show some touch, but no one on here agrees w/me on that.
However, DA has a lot to improve on. He was a first year starter and he made a lot mistakes. He also has a couple of mechanical things he needs to work out. In no way do I think he is a finished product.
He has shown much better touch on long balls then given credit for but I think it would be safe to say that there are more examples of where we watched him throw a worm burner on an underneath route than watched him execute that touch in shorter situations.
He has a ways to go to be complete but he already has a lil bit of something most other Qb's dont. I am willing to roll with DA until he proves otherwise.
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However, DA has a lot to improve on. He was a first year starter and he made a lot mistakes. He also has a couple of mechanical things he needs to work out. In no way do I think he is a finished product.
Hey. We agree on something else!
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No team was going to offer DA Romo money. DA is going to be a member of the Cleveland Browns this fall. I'd be shocked if that doesn't come true.
As for Anderson's touch...did you ever see a RB come out of the backfield and DA rocketed a ball at his feet? That's the lack of touch.
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As for Anderson's touch...did you ever see a RB come out of the backfield and DA rocketed a ball at his feet? That's the lack of touch.
Yes good point, good point. DA throws a good longball and releases the ball quick, but he also throws terrible short ones. While I think he improved as the season went on, I expect that he improves drastically with his accuracy and touch. The fact that Anderson isn't afraid to throw an int makes him better in some ways in that he is productive, but I've also seen way too many balls thrown into the dirt, behind recievers, without any touch.
I don't think DA is that bad but a lot of our play was due to our O-Line and recievers. Joe Thomas and Steinbach made huge differences in our running game as well as passing game.
I don't know if Quinn is better but there are definitely more than a few better QBs out there than DA.
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And I think you guys are out of your minds. He threw a ton of touch passes this year.
Seriously........you guys are unreal.
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