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He made some great throws, throws very few NFL quarterbacks can make.
But he also made some throws that were frigging terrible (most of them shorter passes for some strange reason). And I'm not a DA basher, I actually like the kid, but I'm not blind either.
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My exact thoughts on DA.
Unbelievable throws that most QBs could never make one play, but he'd miss an easy throw that pretty much every NFL QB would make the next. Just no consistency.
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It's hard to make a case that DA had solid touch. There were just too many short throws that couldn't be completed by firing rockets into the guy which ended up hitting the ground. IMHO, while it's fair to say that he was at or near the top in yards per attempt and/or completions, he also ranked much lower than those with comparable numbers. The only real reason for such a thing is that his shorter throws were off-target. It's not as though he often went out of his way to throw the ball away if something wasn't there, hehe.
He can get better, but for now, his touch is a legitimate problem. It should get better with time, but there are no guarantees.
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My exact thoughts on DA.
Unbelievable throws that most QBs could never make one play, but he'd miss an easy throw that pretty much every NFL QB would make the next. Just no consistency.
How many times did we see him throw a quick slant, or a screen, that was behind the receiver, or at his knees?
Lots of times.
But then he turns around and wires a 25-yard bullet right on the money, and throws for 300 yards and three TDs. He's a wacky QB. 
But Anderson did enough good things to make up for the bad, IMO. Key is, he has to improve on his bad points. I love his quick release though. DA makes a decision (good or bad), and rifles the ball
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And I think you guys are out of your minds. He threw a ton of touch passes this year.
Seriously........you guys are unreal.
Ok ok ok....we get it.
We know you think he's a touch passer. If we hadn't watched the games we'd believe you by now.
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And I think you guys are out of your minds. He threw a ton of touch passes this year.
Seriously........you guys are unreal.
You don't like the word "Inaccurate"...How bout "Erratic"...
I love how u defend DA...I really do...But let's get to what might be causing this "Erratic" performance...Cause he is erratic...
Every QB does in fact have a few bad tosses a game...For one reason or another...That's just FACT...Guys like Manning and Farve have had many a game where they throw 3 and 4 picks...Farve's the All-Time Pick Tosser...But this isn't really about just Picks...
I'm with u on the Pick thing...I can handle the Picks...They're gonna come...Hell Brady threw what SIX this year...lol...The NFL Average for top 15 QB's has gotta be in the 13-15 range...That's 1 a game...For many reasons two of which are being hit when throwing and tipped passes...Whether at the LOS or off a receivers hands...
A major problem we've had is our defense hasn't been stout enough to negate a turnover...When u have a D that can get u the ball back without letting the opposition CONVERT those turnovers into points...That's when u start winning games with 2 or 3 turnovers...We're getting to that point...
WHY is Anderson so erratic with these shorter tosses???...Many of us have seen alot of football over the years...And this is one of the few times I've actually said "WTF was THAT" way too many times...Virtually every game...
The only way to answer a question like WHY he's erratic is to first SEE IT...It's right there bud...It's no secret...Many in the NFL see it...And I believe you're too intelligent ball wise to not see it also...These aren't passes where he's under severe pressure either...These are tosses that he's got a clean pocket...He just MISSES badly way too much...Specifically on the 10-12 yard crossing patterns...
I thought at first it was a "Timing" issue...Being thrown in there after Frye being traded so suddenly during the regular season...That definitely had a bit to do with it...But as the season went on and DA got more comfortable in everything from the offense to dealing with the media and week to week NFL madness...It didn't get any better...I think it's safe to say it wasn't "Timing"...
Could it be FOOTWORK???
If it's footwork then Scherer should be able to see this on game film and FIX IT...It might just be a matter of a small tweek...If that's the case...I'll tell ya' what guys...This offense could EXPLODE with the talent we have at receiver and TE...Edwards and Stallworth are both threats to go the distance on these 10 yard slants every single time...The entire key to it is being hit IN STRIDE...In full speed...And split the safeties...GONE...Cause noone's catchin' either of em'...
It might just be a matter of how Anderson HOLDS THE BALL...Again Sherer should be able to see this and tweek it...
The beauty of this is Anderson is now under contract and is comfortably entrenched as the Starting QB from DAY ONE...This is about as huge as the ENTIRE Offensive Line coming back for a 2nd straight year...
One thing I agree with u on is Anderson is NO WAY a finished product...NO WAY...He now has 3 years in the league and an entire season of starting experience...Year 2 of the same offense...It's time to see what he's got between the ears...Cause he's got the physicals...And he impresses me with his on the field composure...U never see him look PANICKED...
Many like Quinn...That's great...But the BEST scenario for Browns football is Anderson taking his play to the next level and in turn being inked to a Romo-Type Long Term deal after the 08 season...If he doesn't take it to the next level I hope we don't wait much past the midway part of the season to make the change in order to get Quinn the game experience needed to roll into 2009...
Noone in their right mind at this point can determine Quinn is a better NFL QB than Anderson...We've seen way to many top collegiate QB's come into the NFL and collapse...Or be average every day QB's...We have yet to see how Quinn handles the transition to the speed of the NFL...And until we do...There can't be any determination as to how Quinn will look in Cleveland or anywhere else for that matter...
Again...The BEST thing for Cleveland is to have Anderson take it to the next level...Be done with it and roll on into the future riding Anderson and a potent offense...U KNOW what u have then...And u go with it...If he falters...We KNOW what we have and enter Quinn...And HOPE to hell he pans out or we're screwed for awhile at the most important position on the field...
And I don't care if you've SLEPT with Quinn for 4 years...NOONE can determine how successful he will be in the NFL at this point...
This will be a huge determining year for us and the future...Cause Savage will continue to work on this Defense...And he'll know we need a RB soon...If one of these 2 guys can be even better than average we will become a FORCE in the NFL for numerous years...
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Good post DiD. 
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Consistancy in completing short/medium passes is what will take DA to the next level...and that INCLUDES accuracy...putting the ball out in front or low enough for the reciever to make a catch..not on his back shoulder or making the guy have to twist/turn or expose himself to vicious hits....
It sometimes means throwing a softer pass...or lofting it..not drilling it in..
Anyway these things have been mentioned time and time again..
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Maybe "touch" isn't the right word, but Derek has problems in the short passing game. To me you have to put the right "touch" on any pass to complete it accurately, thats the best way I know to describe throwing a pass. Use your knowledge to teach us, instead of telling us we're wrong and rolling your eyes.
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Consistancy in completing short/medium passes is what will take DA to the next level...and that INCLUDES accuracy...putting the ball out in front or low enough for the reciever to make a catch..not on his back shoulder or making the guy have to twist/turn or expose himself to vicious hits....
It sometimes means throwing a softer pass...or lofting it..not drilling it in..
Anyway these things have been mentioned time and time again..
This is what I'm looking for out of DA this year. It drove me wild that he was just as close as anything to being a complete quarterback but the accuracy bug and his lack of touch just kept popping up it's ugly head. Dude's got a cannon of an arm, now he needs to start consistently hitting the bullseye.
I really hope he takes it to the next level this year. That means our Browns will be winning some games and we will likely get something out of him if we decide to part ways as his contract draws to it's end. It's anybody's guess who will show up for camp, either Good DA or Bad DA. Where has he been training in the off season?
On paper, we've got a great problem to have at QB. I'm all for letting them settle it on the field. No way do I see us not taking him with us into this season.
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I agree. I'm not worried about his completetion percentage on long and intermediate throws. It is his low percentages on short throws (I have posted them in the past, something like 51 or 52%) is his problem. He has shown a complete lack of touch on many of short passes as well as terrible accuracy. I feel he will improve on this, but I am an optimist.
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Good post, pretty much what I've been trying to say. No matter what DA's problem on the short passes are, they should be easy to fix considering he is great on the deeper passes. To me that is the area he needs to work on the most. I can deal with picks as long as he makes plays.
Vers: In no way would I say DA has good touch. He is not good at all on that fade pass to the corner of the enzone. Though compared to Frye on it, he is superhuman on it. This play should come with practice. Carson Palmer says what helped him was putting a bucket in the corner with a guy in front of the bucket. He just tried to get the ball into the bucket.
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Saying that DA made our offensive line look good or seem better is ridiculous.
Sorry man, that is how it goes.
A qb can very easily make his line look good or bad.
You get the ball out, the sack totals go down and the uneducated line pimps of the world think the line is great and the qb makes poor decisions.....
Part of DA's problem is he does get the ball out. Some of those passes people call crazy passes were thrown with no time left on the qb clock...throw or get sacked.
Again, a qb plays a big role in helping his line look good.
Well, Carson Palmer certainly made his line look bad last year.  I swear, we go for years with the crappiest lines possible, we finally get a very good one and magically our QB looks good (well, for half a season). And, to bolster their own arguments for the QB they want, people are going to give him the credit for the O-line looking good. Classic.
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The QB does play a part in making the line look good. We do have a top notch line but it helps that DA has such a quick release. I don't think Brady will make the line look worse. From what I have seen from him is that he also has a quick release.
I don't think much of DA's problems were because of hurried passes. Every QB looks worse under pressure but DA made some of his dumbest throws without pressure.
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The QB does play a part in making the line look good.
Did I say he doesn't? I understand what is being said, I also understand how it's also being manipulated. My opinion is that a line does far more for the QB than the other way around. I don't think it's any secret why Palmer didn't look like the QB that he is last year, that's why I used that example.
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The QB does play a part in making the line look good
That is one statement I have always found hard to agree with...
Because if a line is good the QB will get the protection for the needed amount of time to get the pass off..
They get credit for keeping guys off the QB..
Da has a quick release, which HELPS ..he;s a pocket passer(which the oline loves because they know where he's at) but that quickness doesn't make the line actually better..it just means they don't have to hold their blocks for long..
They actually don't get any credit for that..
So if they really suck ...they'll still suck when it comes to run blocking or trying to block on deeper QB drops...
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So if they really suck ...they'll still suck when it comes to run blocking or trying to block on deeper QB drops...
And this line let our QB stand in place for LONG periods back there this year. The QB had ooodles of time back there more times than not.... and that is a HUGE change over previous years.
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Thats what I mean..whether it was three -five step or shotgun DA usually had all day to throw..which when U think about it makes the picks and bad throws that more glaring..
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Where has he been training in the off season?
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You know, I keep seeing the thing about DA's quick release (which he has) and I started to think.... Maybe one of his biggest strengths leads to one of his glaring weaknesses. There are times where he gets rid of the ball so damn fast that he often doesn't put the necessary touch (sorry vers) on it in order to complete a lot of the short passes that most of us keep referring to.
Now, why does he do this? Seems to me that as he goes through his progressions, the pocket starts to collapse and he feels the urgency to get rid of it. So he rockets into the flat or over the middle and it goes incomplete. No wonder his production dropped off in the second half of the year. That coincides with the same period of time when teams got film on him and started to take away his long ball.
Now Vers, notice how I didn't say he has no touch AT ALL, but there were many times where his passes did not have what they needed to. Call it whatever you want. He made some plays here and there and displayed the ability to put touch on the ball SOMETIMES, but not A LOT or 'tons' as you claim. Clearly, the majority of us are in agreement on that.
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And I think you guys are out of your minds. He threw a ton of touch passes this year.
Seriously........you guys are unreal.
Ok ok ok....we get it.
We know you think he's a touch passer. If we hadn't watched the games we'd believe you by now.
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j/c: Guys............I ain't trying to change your mind. But, you aren't going to change my mind either. I know what I saw. Held...........I think you saw what you wanted to see. And again............I ain't asking you to agree w/me. Jules: You are way off. That's okay, keep preaching the hate, sister. 17: Insulting your intelligence? Okay. DnD: Good post. I agree w/most of what you said. General comments: --I've never said that DA didn't have holes in his game. In fact, I've said he does on numerous occasions. --I remember reading about the touch thing one day on here when I first came back to the board. Later that day, they were showing some clips of DA on NFL network. Every pass they showed were thrown w/touch. Does he always do it? Nope. Does he sometimes throw ugly ones? Yep. However, I have seen him throw too many touch passes to say he can't do it. He needs to improve on it, but to say he can't throw touch passes is assinine. --The guy is young and inexperienced. He has holes in his game. He makes mistakes. However, he overcomes his weaknesses and he puts up numbers. We are never out of a down and distance w/him at QB. He moves the chains, puts up points, opens things up for the running game, and does way more good than bad. I realize he isn't the flashy, glamor boy that many of you want him to be, but he is an effective QB who moves the offense and won twice as many games as he lost, despite a pathetic defense. His ability helps us overcome the bone-headed mistakes that this offense had at an alarming rate time and time again. --Should he be labeled as the chosen one or be put in Brady or P. Manning's class? No.........but, he deserves a hell of a lot more respect and credit than most give him. Many of you won't give that respect to him. That's the way it is. I am not telling--or even asking--you to agree w/me. But, damn it................don't ask me to join in on your BS! Have a nice day.
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It's like insulting my intelligence. I haven't missed a Browns game in years. I watch every single snap, including preseason. I know what I see.
Ah, but we simply *must* misunderstand what it is we see. 
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I didn't mean it literally, Vers.
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You know, I keep seeing the thing about DA's quick release (which he has) and I started to think.... Maybe one of his biggest strengths leads to one of his glaring weaknesses. There are times where he gets rid of the ball so damn fast that he often doesn't put the necessary touch (sorry vers) on it in order to complete a lot of the short passes that most of us keep referring to.
Does make one THINK...Doesn't it...That's what this is all about...
I keep seeing "Touch" related to "Short Passes"....
Coverages are way 2 tight to be "Touchin'" passes in the 10-12 yard slant range...That's NOT his biggest problem...The 10-12 yard slant...U DO NOT "TOUCH" those passes...It has NOTHING to do with "Touch"...
If Anderson went to the "Touch" mode on these patterns...Winslow and Edwards and now Stallworth would collectively kick his ass after and maybe even before a game ended...
Those passes need to be GUNNED...This is where I have a problem with this "Touch" thing...It's a problem...But it's a problem in the LONG BALL and the LOB into the corner of the endzone...NOT the 10-12 yard slant...
He doesn't get enuff AIR under the Long Ball...It's why he's LONG most of the time...And I'm talking 40+ in yards thrown...He missed 80% of those tosses last year...
Where he needs work is 3 areas...
1) Recognizing Defenses...Pre Snap and Post...And he has time to do it with this OL...THIS is where he's tossin' into doubles and triples...He's not recognizing where the Safety is cheating...
2) Touch on the deep ball and the lobs into the endzone in the redzone...THIS is purely TOUCH related...
3) ACCURACY (Erratic) on these 10 and 12 yard slants...WAY to many times these guys are reaching back or going down for these throws...NO NO AND F NO.....
One thing u DO NOT WANNA DO is "Touch" a short crossing pattern...It will KILL YOUR RECEIVER...
I personally believe these problems are 2 fold...
1) 1st year starter...No previous LIVE action...LEARNING TO READ...
2) He's throwing off his BACK FOOT which will make a throw go HIGH OR LOW OR WIDE...(I spent all weekend doing the same thing...I threw with my weight going backward...Time and time again I was HIGH...I was LEFT...I was RIGHT...I was LOW...)
And just for Info...When I stopped throwing off my BACK FOOT...I WAS PERFECT...
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Ah, but we simply *must* misunderstand what it is we see.
You have a gift for this.
Let me ask you this..............have you ever once considered the opposing point of view? Seriously, have you ever asked yourself that when a ton of people gang up like they have on this particular post, that perhaps someone [me, in this case] might voice their opinion because they saw something quite different?
Seriously, so many of you talk as if you are authorities on the subject and get offended if someone questions you. Yet, the people in charge.....Savage, RAC, Chud, Rip, etc have clearly saw more in Anderson than you "experts" have. Have you even ever freaking considered that before you make your wise-ass and sarcastic remarks?
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So what problems does Derek have? You say he has touch, but his game needs improving, how? Touch isn't correct, so how do we properly discuss the problems you admit he has?
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He has a few problems and I have addressed them. I might do it again here, but first let me say this.............it doesn't bother me in the slightest if a poster addresses his weaknesses, but it seems that is all too many people do. They act like his weaknesses are the entire story. That's crap! He threw for nearly 3800 yds. w/those weaknesses. He threw 29 TDs. He won 10 games and lost only 5. He led the team to a near-record number of points in a single season. Jesus man..........he had to do something right.
I don't feel like writing a long post, but his biggest weakness is his footwork at times. When he gets some inside pressure, he often gets his feet out of whack. They are too close together and the toes are not aligned. This causes him to throw against his body, or to use his arm too much and it leads to inaccuracy. He also tends to force the ball sometimes. That is also one of his strengths, because we don't get those big plays and pick up those important first downs on third and long w/out that mindset, but it also leads to too many picks. He also has to improve at reading coverages. I think he reads defenses pre-snap just fine, but has gotten confused w/certain coverages, especially when the defense mixes it up. He also is inexperienced, and that is indeed, a weakness. He needs to see more defenses, more coverages, more blitz packages, etc.
I think he can improve on most of those things. Not saying he will, but he did progress a lot during the year, despite what most people say. And I am talking about progressing in important areas. He really did improve at checking down. He did improve at making better decisions, although he did have some setbacks in this area.
The bottom line is that the guy is a work in progress. He just has too many upsides to dismiss. Those upsides overcame his weaknesses this year and he can only improve. I'm not going to name all of his upsides now and his strengths now. But believe me.........forget that..........you don't have to believe me. What I am saying is that this guy has some real tools w/a ton of potential. And if you look at it realistically, Savage and the coaching staff has been trying to get the same freaking message across to you for awhile now.
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He also tends to force the ball sometimes
Totally agree with the way you say that forcing the ball is a strength as well as a weakness. DA throws INTs. But he doesn't stop throwing the ball, this gives us a chance to make plays and come back in games.
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The bottom line is that the guy is a work in progress.
And I see what you're saying with this. He is just a kid. Turning 25 in June. He has plenty of room for upside, and he can improve aspects of his game
But can you tell me that DA honestly doesn't have issues with touch? That "easy" pass seems soo much harder for him than the fastball 20 yards to KW2 or BE. We defintely have to be seeing things differently because we generally agree on a lot of things.
You can honestly say that you don't get frustrated with DA's short passing game? How many passes that are in the dirt or behind our guy..... Come on Vers, you have to notice that.
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You have a gift for this.
I don't know what "this" is, so I don't know whether to thank you or get mad.
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Let me ask you this..............have you ever once considered the opposing point of view? Seriously, have you ever asked yourself that when a ton of people gang up like they have on this particular post, that perhaps someone [me, in this case] might voice their opinion because they saw something quite different?
No, never. It's my way or the highway, Vers. Of course I know that people have different points of view, and I think it's a very good thing. All of us agreeing with each other all the time would be really boring.
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Seriously, so many of you talk as if you are authorities on the subject and get offended if someone questions you.
I've never talked like an authority on anything football, thanks. I may talk out my ass sometimes (like the rest of you), but I certainly know I don't know it all. We seem to have several people here that believe their "experts" on whatever they discuss. We all know who they are.
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Yet, the people in charge.....Savage, RAC, Chud, Rip, etc have clearly saw more in Anderson than you "experts" have. Have you even ever freaking considered that before you make your wise-ass and sarcastic remarks?
And have you ever read what I've said? If DA is the one they want, then so be it. However, I think there should be "competition" in camp, even if it's not "open" and the best guy should start. I don't think that DA should get a free pass to be named starter if he's not the best guy. End of my issue with it.
Also, my "wise-ass and sarcastic comments" from from one thing and one thing only and that's watching DA play QB for the Browns. I'm not really impressed. If you are, that's fine -- and I hope to be impressed this season if he is indeed our QB. Where do yours come from?
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He also tends to force the ball sometimes. That is also one of his strengths, because we don't get those big plays and pick up those important first downs on third and long w/out that mindset, but it also leads to too many picks.
Agreed. That is a big problem of his. He knows he has a live arm and thinks he can thread the needle everytime, but it lead him into trouble often. That's part of Derek's game. It's been that way since college, so I don't know if that is something that we'll see changing since that is the way he's always played quarterback.
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What I am saying is that this guy has some real tools w/a ton of potential.
You can have a garage full of tools, but if you don't know how to use them, they mean nothing.
Potential is a good thing. He does have the tools to be a helluva pocket passer. He needs to harness that potential. He doesn't have much agility or footwork, and that is something that won't improve much. It's pretty much, what you see is what you get. He needs to play a little smarter, take what the D gives him, and not try to make something out of nothing.
His erratic passing can be corrected. We'll see over time this year if it does improve, because that will remain my as well as most others biggest concern.
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I would add that Anderson is streaky to an incredible degree. I do, however, think that this also is attributed to his mechanics and footwork. When he is sound with his mechanics and footwork, the rest follows. When he isn't, his play suffers. I think that this was especially evident when he tried to throw on the move, and didn;t set his feet and get into a proper throwing position. These were some throws that went into the knees of the running back, or to no one in particular.
I think that if he gets his mechanics and footwork to a point where they are fundamentaly strong on a consistent basis, he will be a very good QB for a long time.
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Not that anyone cares about what I say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
First - look at the season DA had - the Browns had. Is he a terrible q.b.? Not by a long shot. He's damn good. Is he the best he could be? Not by a long shot. He's got plenty of room to improve. (by the way - Favre could've been better, Elway, Manning I, Manning II - heck, there isn't a q.b. in the league that couldn't improve).
Next - let's focus on the fact that, yes, DA is a "vet" as far as years in the league go - but he was a rookie last year as far as leading a team goes. Like it or not, it's the truth. He will improve his decision making this year for no other reason than experience. (there's a reason guys with experience get paid more). If he does not improve, we bring in the rookie. (or as some of you would call quinn - the vet since he has 1 yr. under his belt).
Also, for those knocking Anderson - let's say the trade with the cowboys had not happened and we had Dorsey as our #2 q.b. Would you all then be as unhappy with DA as you seem to be now? Think about that for a minute.......with the season DA had, and the Browns had.........if Dorsey was #2 on the charts, would you be calling for him to start this year? I doubt it - but ask yourself that question, and then answer it.
Along with that (since anyone with half a brain would answer that question by saying "no - I'd want DA starting") what has quinn ever done to make you think he's all that? Seriously. What in quinns past makes him the answer for the Browns?
Answer: Nothing. Does he have skills? Oh yeah. Can he play in the nfl? Oh yeah. Will he be good in the nfl? No one knows. What he did in college against army and navy really means nothing.
Let DA and Quinn fight it out in camp. Trust the coaches to put the right person on the field. Then, root and cheer like hell for the guy behind center. Just don't go knocking a guy cause he wasn't as good as you wanted him to be. Let's face it, no player is as good as we - fans - want them to be.
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Once again great post DID! I agree with most of what you said.
Look people whether or not you like DA he is the 2008 starter barring injury, there is no "qb competetion". Secondly the Browns have to give him a shot to imrpove because if he does that obviously gives us a great chance to win the division. the plan makes sense, give DA the job see what happens. Of course DA will have a super short leash, the expectations and pressure to be great in 2008 will force the Browns to see what Quinn has if DA continues what he did at the end of 2007. Hopefully its a win/win for the Browns. gotta hope one of the two can be "the guy" long term. Anybody that claims Quinn will fare better is laughable, nobody knows. He only has potential.
Now in my opinion I don't see it happening, what we saw out of DA is DA. He's been like that since college, its why he was a 5th round pick. Not that 5th round picks cant be great, but its why scouts passed on his prototype size and rocket arm.
There is a huge difference betwen tweaking a QB and actually changing his mechanics and accuracy at the NFL level. DA will never be a 60% passer and he'll never be great at the short routes. That being said he has a great feel for deep throws and has great pocket presence, plus he has a quick release and a strong arm. If we can live with and adjust the team to fit his weakenesses great.
His biggest problem is his ability to read the field ,more so than accuracy. He missed way too many wide open guys last year because he simply pre-determined where to throw the ball. This can be fixed if DA works his butt off during the offseason.
Look the book is out on DA, it was out by mid-season last year....
Force him to throw short/intermediate routes and don't blitz him, make him survey the field. Teams zoned us to death late last year. Early in the year teams were doing alot of man to man blitzing trying to confuse DA, he just threw to the one on one matchups with Braylon and KW2. After teams saw a bit of DA they adjusted and DA's play went down the tubes...that is what scares me the most about DA. We saw no improvement, he got worse in almost every way.
Hey in 2008 if he works hard he might be able to fix it and be the guy, teams will do the exact same things they did in late 2007 and force DA to read zones and throw short basic routes. The reason, I think people can't see DA's positives, is because instead of building upon them as the season progressed, his negatives were seriously explioted and ended up killing the Browns.
If last year was DA's rookie year or first year playin id be more optomistic but it wasn't it was 3rd year in the league he had 2 camps with the browns and played quite a bit in 2006. He also had extensive time in camp in 2007 as the co #1 with Frye. People can paint it anyway they want, he's not a vet but he's far from a rookie.
He has, like it or not, at best 3 games in 2008 to prove he can be the guy. this will be partly fueled by the media predicting such a big year for us, partly the fan pressure if he plays poorly.
I hope and pray he works his tail off to get better, improve his game so we finally have a franchise QB and go to the playoffs. 
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Seriously, so many of you talk as if you are authorities on the subject and get offended if someone questions you. Yet, the people in charge.....Savage, RAC, Chud, Rip, etc have clearly saw more in Anderson than you "experts" have. Have you even ever freaking considered that before you make your wise-ass and sarcastic remarks?
I don't think this was directed at me but I'll throw my two cents in.
One of the fun things about being a fan is not only watching the 16+ games but also evaluating what happened and discussing it with others.
Throwing the experts card on the table is a two edged sword. Savage, RAC and the others make mistakes along the way too. This is the consortium that came to a consensus that Frye should start Game 1. They've made some bad FA acquisitions....Big Ted, Ralph Brown, Tim Carter and on and on. They've made bad draft choices....Perkins, Wilson, and on and on. I'm not going to mention Pool because that would really torque your logic.
We as fans see what we see. Then we come to the board to discuss...since there's no one in Hawaii that knows 5 players on the Browns let alone can talk intelligently about our schemes and depth.
I'm not going to try and convince you that DA has little touch. It's obvious to most but that's just the case.
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DinD: Since you quoted my post about the touch thing, then I guess I should clarify what I was attempting to say. I wasn't talking about slant routes. You kinda just took that and ran with it there. Those are designed short-passing plays. I'm talking about the latter-half of the year, when the long stuff was taken away, DA starts through his progressions and the pocket begins to get a little tight around the edges. THAT is when DA made mistakes in his passing game on short passes. He felt the pressure to get the ball out in a hurry and found someone underneath, who is probably like his 3rd or 4th option at that point, and then rifles the ball inaccurately into the dirt or over their head or behind them, etc... Those are the passes where he needs to calm down, set his feet, and put some touch on it so it's accurate. Not just sling his arm back and fire away on a hope and a prayer. I wasn't referring to the designed short routes like you referred to. Believe me, I know the importance of timing and velocity of those quick 3-step drop and fire passes.
So to sum it up, that's what I saw with DA. Now, fortunately, that issue is coachable and will improve with experience. So I'm not at all concerned with this short-coming for now. I'm confident in Rip to iron out the kinks and I'm anxious to see what happens this year. By the way: You bring up the LOB in the corner of the endzone. I distinctly remember a beautiful pass to Braylon in Heinz Field that the officials had to review and rule a touchdown. I'd have to say there was some pretty nice touch on that ball. Oh, and how about the one in Arizona to Kellen at the end of the game. Looked like a pretty nice ball to me. No, I think he's got some nice touch....sometimes.
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so many of you talk as if you are authorities on the subject and get offended if someone questions you.
You can actually type that with a straight face? Now, that is funny.
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jules: You are way off. That's okay, keep preaching the hate, sister.
Really? Please show me where. Show me why you think the line benefits more from a good QB than the other way around. Show me why you don't think Palmer was affected by the decline of their line. Show me why we finally have a good line and a historically below average QB looked pretty good.
Hater? Your cute little names have no affect on me, go play that game with someone else. Unless you can show me where I've ever said I hated Anderson. Good luck.
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Look people whether or not you like DA he is the 2008 starter barring injury, there is no "qb competetion".
Which is silly if another QB seriously outshines DA in camp.
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Secondly the Browns have to give him a shot to imrpove because if he does that obviously gives us a great chance to win the division. the plan makes sense, give DA the job see what happens.
Again, it makes sense only if he's the best QB.
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Of course DA will have a super short leash, the expectations and pressure to be great in 2008 will force the Browns to see what Quinn has if DA continues what he did at the end of 2007.
If he's got such a "short leash" why let him start by default if he's clearly not the best QB in camp? Again, silly.
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Hopefully its a win/win for the Browns. gotta hope one of the two can be "the guy" long term. Anybody that claims Quinn will fare better is laughable, nobody knows. He only has potential.
Agreed on all counts. As I've said several times, I don't care who the qb IS as long as it's the best guy. I don't like the idea of anyone starting by default and getting three or four games to show us exactly how much they stink before a change is made. It only makes sense that you start the best guy from the get-go.
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Michelle: I cannot possibly agree with you more. However, there seem to be conflicting thoughts coming out of Berea. Phil has said DA is the starter and it would take a "15 round" fight for Quinn to possibly beat him out. And RAC has said that there will be a competition because "that's how it has always been done." So what gives? Personally, I think RAC should make the decision being the coach and I'm quite surprised that Phil has made such a bold statement from his position. But it is obvious that DA was brought back to show he can outperform his 2007 campaign, and I know that Phil is hoping that regardless of who ends up starting, the lesser is still good enough to garner something in the way of a trade. But the whole situation is just downright perplexing and it will very interesting to see how it all unfolds this summer. I have a feeling that there are going to be some very heated battles on this board over the next several months.
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Phil has said DA is the starter and it would take a "15 round" fight for Quinn to possibly beat him out. And RAC has said that there will be a competition because "that's how it has always been done." So what gives?
Maybe you are reading too much into that.. don't know. But to me, that doesn't sound like mixed messages..
What it sounds like to me is that Phil thinks Quinn would have to knock DA out of the box. And RAC is saying there will be competition to determine if he can.
Maybe my thinking is a bit muddled, but I kinda think that they are agreeing, but looking at it from two different perspectives...
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