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A SOUTH Australian father and daughter have revealed they are a couple, and have had a child together.

John and Jenny Deaves reunited 30 years after Mr Deaves separated from Jenny's mother.

Jenny was 31 and just two weeks after meeting, father and daughter had sex.

"John and I are in this relationship as consenting adults," Mrs Deaves told the Nine Network's 60 Minutes tonight.

"We are just asking for a little bit of respect and understanding."

Their nine-month-old daughter Celeste, shown on TV, appears fit and healthy.

Mrs Deaves said soon after reuniting with her father she began to see him as a man first and her father second.

"I was looking at him, sort of going, oh, he's not too bad," she said.

"Like you might look at a man across the bar at a nightclub."

Mrs Deaves brought two children, Samantha and Alex, into the relationship after splitting from her former partner.

Mr Deaves admitted that he "initially" thought having sex with his daughter was wrong.

"Emotions take over, as people no doubt realise, there are times during your life where emotions do rule the heart, it rules the head," he said.

"I knew it was illegal, of course I knew it was illegal but you know, so what."

Mrs Deaves said the physical relationship with her father was like "a sexual relationship with any other man".

For Mr Deaves the sexual relationship was "absolutely fantastic".

A South Australian police media spokesman said "the couple is being monitored".

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Incest couple 'had another child'

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A father and daughter, who have a baby girl together, had another child who died a few days after birth from a congenital heart disease, court documents show.

John Earnest Deaves and his daughter Jennifer Anne Deaves are at the centre of an incest scandal in South Australia over their seven-year relationship.

The pair revealed their relationship on the Nine Network's 60 Minutes program last night, saying they were just asking for some respect and understanding.

In March this year, they were placed on three-year good behaviour bonds after pleading guilty to two counts of incest.

District Court sentencing judge Steven Millsteed said the first count of incest was based on an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of the couple's first child.

The second count of incest related to an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of their second child in May last year.

"The first child was born in 2001 but died a few days after birth due to a congenital heart disease," Judge Millsteed said.

The couple had started a relationship together after being reunited in 2000, almost 30 years after Mr Deaves separated from Jenny's mother.

Because of problems with her own marriage, Ms Deaves had gone to live with her father at Yongala, in South Australia.

Their physical relationship developed later that year and both ended their marriages and began living together.

"Each of you say that the other has provided care and affection that was missing in your marriage," Judge Millsteed said.

"You also say that although you are father and daughter, that you were virtually strangers when your relationship commenced and that the relationship was based on mutual love and respect."

The couple had their first child while living in Rockhampton, Queensland, before moving to Port Pirie, in South Australia.

After the birth of their second child they moved to Bordertown, near the Victorian border where the Department of Families and Communities became aware of their relationship and turned the matter over to police.

Judge Millsteed said that when contacted by police the Deaves made full admissions.

He said both Jenny and John Deaves told him that they accepted their sexual relationship must end but hoped they would be able to continue to support one another and the children.

But he said while the case was not typical he had to impose a sentence that impressed upon them that any resumption of their incestuous relationship was unacceptable.

"The offence of incest exists not merely to protect children from sexual abuse," Judge Millsteed said.

"In my view, other relevant factors include the need to prevent the high risk of congenital defects in children born of incestuous relationships and to prevent children suffering psychological harm and social stigmatisation." Revealing their relationship on the Nine Network last night, the Deaves said they were just asking for some respect and understanding.

Mr Deaves admitted that he "initially" thought having sex with his daughter was wrong.

"Emotions take over, as people no doubt realise. There are times during your life where emotions do rule the heart, it rules the head," he said.

"I knew it was illegal. Of course, I knew it was illegal but you know, so what."

And, just when you thought it couldn't get much worse.....



Here's the happy family

Yikes!

They should thank their lucky stars that one of their children was healthy... we see a lot of kids in our hospital from first or second cousins... and they wonder why their kids are messed up...

*vomits*

"...In March this year, they were placed on three-year good behaviour bonds after pleading guilty to two counts of incest...."

"Who's your daddy???"

I hope someone keeps an eye on that little baby when she reaches her teen years. Hope daddy doesn't plan on reliving his previous bad act!

That is so sick.

She is gross.

So is he.

Baby is cute though?

I dont usually think the state should meddle in peoples lives, the people should be able to make their decisions themselves. If they want to hurt themselves, by all means. But bring life into this world with a severely limited gene pool, like this couple's daughter, is not just hurting themselves. That child is genetically infirm. Any recessive traits passed on by the father now actually have a chance to manifest. Which is what happened to their love child from 2001. There's a reason incest is illegal, if the child lives, they are a strain on the medical field and the lives of the family central and extended. Plus it's about as mentally cruel as you can be to that child. It really is horrible ...

Exactly.

The child might pass some inferior traits on to her children that don't really show in her because there is no way to know how her genes will interact with the genes of her future husband.

I'm disgusted by this....

I'm usually all for consenting adults doing whatever, as long as it's legal. However, this isn't legal and second, disgusting. And, as being discussed, there are medical/genetic issues that are a concern here.

I feel bad for the baby girl.

They don't make a vomit smilie big enough for this.

The biggest one I could find, but you're right, it's still not large enough.

They're both adults....I couldn't really care less what they both consent to do.

~Lyuokdea

And the child should pay the price for that (healthwise)?

I wouldn't either except for the fact that we know the genetic problems this causes in children. That is an issue.

Actually, in humans, it's quite likely that there will be health issues. Just read the article for an example from this very family. They already had one child pass away.

As for incest being gross, you know, some people probably wouldn't consider it as such if there weren't issues involved the health of children. Frankly, I don't care what consenting adults do in their bedroom. However, when it affects the general well being of a child, that's when I have an issue with it.

One incident does not make a trend, while inbreeding certainly does increase the risk of unwanted double recessive genes being passed, it also increases the risk of favorable evolutionary characteristics being passed on, it's a double edge sword.

Also, if the worry about children is the only concern, you're certainly ok with parent/stepchild relationships right? And you would forbid any relationship between people known to be a genetic mismatch (would create multiple double recessive genes, even if they do not necessarily lead to a child with a deadly disease)

~Lyuokdea

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you're certainly ok with parent/stepchild relationships right?

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Provided they were both of legal age, I would think it was gross, but not necessarily illegal.

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And you would forbid any relationship between people known to be a genetic mismatch (would create multiple double recessive genes, even if they do not necessarily lead to a child with a deadly disease)

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No, I'm not for prescreening.. just playing the odds.

I can think of a lot of people who if I thought of them having sex would gross me out. It doesn't mean it should be illegal.

I'm not really versed in the odds of children being genetically damaged from this, so I can't really argue that. I do think it's been taboo for other reasons. Obviously, when a child is growing up the last thing people want is for them to even think that there is a possiblity of having sex with their relatives at some point in their lives. I'm quite sure that is emotionally damaging, at least that is how I see it.

NOW DAMNIT stop thinking about me

Every once in a while you hear of stories of relatives (like brother and sister) who have never met falling in love. I can almost see if these two were never aware. I do find it quite disturbing that he did this knowing she was his daughter. Granted he never knew her while she was growing up, I still think he should not have done this.

I threw up just reading the title. Absolutely disgusting.

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It might, but that is fairly unlikely, many higher animals inbreed quite regularly, without destruction of their gene pool.

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I Didn't realize you had researched Genetics so much Lyou,, didn't know you knew so much about it.

I guess all those guys with PHD's telling us of the devasting health effects suffered by the children of incest must be all wrong.

I'm no genetics expert, but if I'm gonna believe something, I'm at least going to believe it from an expert...

Not to mention, aren't a lot of the health problems of pedigree dogs now being traced to inbreeding?

Yup

Just wondering............are you from West Virginia or Kentucky?

Nope. Just those two states. *L*

That just is not right!

That poor kid stands no chance!

Yup

Was I the only who when reading the thread title immediatley thought "West Virginia Strikes Again"? Anywho, I feel bad for the kid. This does make me want to vomit. I think it will be confusing for her having a dad-grandpop and a mother-sister. Aside from the mental problems she hopefully will not face, imagine the ridicule at school.

Yes, I was under the impression that if you and a member of your family had a child it was severely misformed, messed up, you know. But I guess this one is not, all in all this is pretty sick.

I can't believe that artice the girl was sizing up her dad!?

Now thats what I call someone with "daddy" issues