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Schedule should help convince Cleveland Browns fans that Anderson isn't going anywhere soon
Posted by Bud Shaw, Plain Dealer Columnist April 16, 2008 12:10PM A rumor grew some legs recently that someone who had spent some time with Randy Lerner said teams might still come hard for Derek Anderson on draft day and that the Browns weren't dead set against a deal if it brought a high first-rounder. If it were ever true, it can't be now that the Browns are such a staple of the NFL's prime time lineup for 2008. A team given that kind of stage can't willingly decide to let Brady Quinn cut his teeth on such a difficult schedule. And it certainly can't voluntarily put itself in a position where an injury to the starting quarterback puts the trust of the league and the hope of Browns fans everywhere in the hands of Ken Dorsey. Phil Savage has said all along that he has no plans on compromising his quarterback position and the Browns season by trading Anderson. After seeing what's in store for the Browns in '08, he sounds even more convincing. - Bud Shaw Cleveland Plain Dealer
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No offense Kingcob, but do you see any irony in your post, or rather, your decision to post?
LOL.............that was good and I was thinking the same thing.
King..................DnD and I have always slammed each other. We used to go at it hot and heavy, before it was decided that people were not allowed to insult each other on here.........LOL..........talk about irony. But, we still go at it hot and heavy in PMs. His little tirade didn't bother me.......I'll just slap his little self when I see him. 
Kardiac.................funny you mention the Rams game. DA started slow, but I thought that was one of the finest games I have ever seen a QB play. I hope NFL network replays that one. If they do, watch it. He was amazing. His accuracy was almost unprecedented. His calm, cool play was uncanny. He was unreal
Another game that was unreal was the Seattle game. If any of you have that taped or if it comes up on replay............I strongly suggest you watch it again.
I used to hate DA. Thought he was a stiff. Those two games went a long way in changing my mind. He made throws in both of those games that very few QBs have EVER made.
Guys.............I really think...........no, I know........that most of you don't realize what we have in this guy.
With that said.......I still don't consider him a sure thing.........but, I sure as hell see why Savage and company want to see more. It's a no-freaking brainer!
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Schedule should help convince Cleveland Browns fans that Anderson isn't going anywhere soon
Posted by Bud Shaw, Plain Dealer Columnist April 16, 2008 12:10PM
A rumor grew some legs recently that someone who had spent some time with Randy Lerner said teams might still come hard for Derek Anderson on draft day and that the Browns weren't dead set against a deal if it brought a high first-rounder.
If it were ever true, it can't be now that the Browns are such a staple of the NFL's prime time lineup for 2008.
A team given that kind of stage can't willingly decide to let Brady Quinn cut his teeth on such a difficult schedule. And it certainly can't voluntarily put itself in a position where an injury to the starting quarterback puts the trust of the league and the hope of Browns fans everywhere in the hands of Ken Dorsey.
Phil Savage has said all along that he has no plans on compromising his quarterback position and the Browns season by trading Anderson. After seeing what's in store for the Browns in '08, he sounds even more convincing.
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Thanks for posting that Dub.
Ya know, I can think of about a dozen legitimate reasons accompanied by logical proof why we wouldn't trade DA, both before the contract he signed, and after. But of all those arguements, using the schedule to justify Savage's feelings just isn't one of'em.
Shaw must be strugglin' for material, because this doesn't make any points in favor of why Savage would keep Anderson.  I mean seriously, with ALL the things we know regarding the outlook that we're a contender, are we to believe that Savage would look at the schedule and go:
"Holy CRAP! Did you see our schedule?!?! WHOA! I guess we can't trade Anderson now! Maybe with a strength of schedule that was just a few points lower, we could have. But not now, no way!"
I missed my calling. I should have become a beat writer so I could make illogical [censored] up and get paid for it...........
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I'll try to be as exact as possible as far as what I just saw Phil Savage say to a Backers meeting just now on STO ........
Phil said ...... "In order for us to win now, Derek Anderson needs to be our QB for the 2008 season."
That was put as unequivocally as I can imagine it being said.
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Ha!
Poetic license to make BS up and get paid to do it?
Sign me up man, sign me up! 
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I should have become a beat writer so I could make illogical [censored] up and get paid for it...........
Well, you got half of that going for you. 
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I got five fingers on my left hand. Guess which one is point at you 'Dub
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theres still time toad.... word is you can be the next roger brown
Fixed.
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And there's the cherry on top, hehe.
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I agree with you on the Rams and Seattle games. His play was amazing when we needed it to be. He plays very well under adverse cirumstances. That's the other thing that I had forgotten about DA; his ability to stay calm, cool, and collected even when the chips are down. I also noticed how he has a knack for staying cool in the pocket even under the most intense pressure. Guys will be flying at him from all sides, or clawing at his feet and he'll still step up and deliver a stike down the seam to K2 in stride. Now, don't get me wrong here... I'm not trying to come across as a turncoat DA-lover now, but some of things he can do is just flat-out jaw-dropping. It's not always easy to see during live games because that's when the fan in me just watches the game, not the player. You would think that years of coaching and looking at film would have broken me from that habit, but not when it comes to the Browns. But when I go back and just watch DA, it opens up a lot.
Anyway, back to the come-from-behind roller coaster games of 2007... I hope that DA, being a second-year starter, can set a tone early on the road and establish some momentum with the offense. It's an absolute MUST looking at this schedule. Our defense should be better and we won't have to score 33 points a game, so that should take some pressure off of DA. I feel comfortable with his ability to thrive under pressure but with certain improvements, my hope is that he won't have to.
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"...That's the other thing that I had forgotten about DA; his ability to stay calm, cool, and collected even when the chips are down. I also noticed how he has a knack for staying cool in the pocket even under the most intense pressure.... ...some of things he can do is just flat-out jaw-dropping.
Perhaps that's what makes him such an interesting case- and why this thread is now 13 pages long.
I've watched that guy do stuff on the field that made me say, "Damn, Dude! How the hell did you do that?" Two plays later, he'd do something that made me say, "Damn, Dude! why did you do that?"
Kard, you mentioned that you hope DA will be able to get us out of the gate earlier against quality teams- thus negating the need for heart-pounding come-from-behind wins. I agree with that sentiment. I'd like to see it too, but I also wonder about something else:
What if Derek is one of those guys who can ONLY thrive when times be tight, yo? You've heard about guys like this before... the kind who play too loose when things are going relatively well, but tighten their focus to a laser beam when the pressure's on. BE strikes me a little this way, as well... he'll drop a perfectly thrown pass, but then make the highlight reel play when he's double-covered and the pass is a foot too high.
This next season will be the teller for DA. He has a promising skill set, but there's room for improvement. If he doesn't improve in those areas that have alread been discussed, expect another Kardiak-type season in '08. And beyond.
He may just be one of those guys who is destined to always keep the fans in a state of agitation. Who knows?
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This next season will be the teller for DA. He has a promising skill set, but there's room for improvement. If he doesn't improve in those areas that have alread been discussed, expect another Kardiak-type season in '08. And beyond.
Well, that's just the thing. Look at the Kardiac-esque games we played last year and who were they against? The Bengals (part one), The Oakland Raiders, the Seattle Seahawks, the Baltimore Ravens (part two), the Arizona Cardinals, the St. Louis Rams. Even the Jets game was teetering on nail-biter status until Jamal broke that huge run from 33 yards out to put it away. Now, compare those teams to the ones we will face this season. 
If we do the same thing this year that we did last year, I'm afraid there won't be anything Kardiac about it. We'll get crushed.
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I said it last season, I really did, and your conversation reminded me of it. DA sometimes reminds me of a closer who has to have two men on before he focuses in.
That's not always the case. But it does seem that in the begining of games he has a heck of a time getting up for it. In severel games his first 4-6 passes were horrendous. Then a switch comes on and he plays much much better; even lights out.
I agree that could be the road problem if that's what you're saying. Tough to get started and you have to start tough on the road. I'm sure he's plenty motivated but somehow it doesn't seem as though he treats the begining of games with the necessary urgency.
Dude is laid back. But he doesn't seem any less laid back when the chips are down. He just plays better without getting fierce about it.
Hell I don't know. I just home after sitting along the road for two hours having run out of gas in the work truck. That's what I get for being the last guy standing on a Friday.
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Phil said ...... "In order for us to win now, Derek Anderson needs to be our QB for the 2008 season."
That was put as unequivocally as I can imagine it being said.
Tell me you are surprised this is getting ignored?
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Phil said ...... "In order for us to win now, Derek Anderson needs to be our QB for the 2008 season."
That was put as unequivocally as I can imagine it being said.
Tell me you are surprised this is getting ignored?
Not one bit.
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not surprised a bit.
Also, I didn't comment on it, because Phil pretty much said it all with that statement.
I've tried to tell folks that Phil has shot straight about DA all along. Some want to debate tangential issues and what-ifs in response, others have just been in denial.
DA hasn't been the perfect QB, but then again, God hasn't created the perfect QB yet. For what he is, and how long he's been a regular player, he's the best thing we've had in decades. He earned this next year, and Phil gave it to him.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it... to see if he can improve beyond what we saw in 07, and to see if he can still produce, now that teams will be totally ready for him. Truth- DA's one of the reasons I find this upcoming season so compelling. The book hasn't yet been written on this guy, and the next season will be a watershed chapter in his story.
Derek Anderson is the Browns Quarterback in the 2008 campaign. Bank you life's last paycheck on it.
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I find it hard to believe people can't admit that Clem... I'm a big Quinn fan... but there is no way I see him seeing the field this year unless DA gets hurt or we start 0-3 (neither of which I wish).
I'll also go on record of saying that even though I've been a big Quinn fan since we drafted him (and even before, though I wanted Thomas), I'd be thrilled if DA ended up being an All-Pro year in and year out and we get a big trade for Quinn.
Either way I think we're sitting pretty this year with two capable QBs.
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I find it hard to believe people can't admit that Clem... I'm a big Quinn fan... but there is no way I see him seeing the field this year unless DA gets hurt or we start 0-3 (neither of which I wish).
I'll also go on record of saying that even though I've been a big Quinn fan since we drafted him (and even before, though I wanted Thomas), I'd be thrilled if DA ended up being an All-Pro year in and year out and we get a big trade for Quinn.
Either way I think we're sitting pretty this year with two capable QBs.
I think that's the belief of the overwhelming majority of Quinn fans.
I'd be amazed if many people wanted to see Anderson fail just so they could see Quinn, or because they want to be "right" on something.
There's a difference between what people think will happen, and what they want to happen.
There's nothing I'd like to see more than the Browns to have an all-pro for years and years, whoever his name is.
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I don't want anyone to fail for the Browns. Of course you can have an opinion of who you think will be better, but I'm not going to root for one or the other to fail just to get the other guy in. Unless it's in the preseason when it doesn't count.
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And in regards to the Miami game, I mentioned that we should all watch it when I found out it was going to be replayed on NFL Net because a lot of people have been criticizing DA's skills lately, myself included. So I thought it would be a good chance to see him in action during a full game. And I came away very impressed. He made a ton of throws that I previously thought he couldn't make easily or often. I really don't think it matters who they were playing to be quite honest. The point was that he CAN make those throws.
You see, the point is, there are "some skills" that have been and should be questioned. One being his consistancy.
You've hinted at it yourself. One game he plays lights out. The next, he starts very slow and makes poor decisions. And in actuality, you must ask yourself what happens in the event of key injuries to our OL where he may see more pressure and be forced to scramble and throw on the run?
We were VERY fortunate in that department last year as well as having a 1300 yard rusher.
So I don't think anyone really questions the "skills" that he posesses. The problem is he does have his limitations and wheather some wish to admit it or not, he has this Jekyll and Hyde thing going on. You never know which DA is going to show up from game to game or from one half or the other.
Many people have "skills" that they simply can not show on a consistant basis when the heat is on. When adversity hits them. ( on the road )
It's not that DA doesn't show "flashes of reaching his potential". However, wheather he can do that on a consistant basis, the jury is still out. And when, not if, the injury bug hits our OL where he forced to roll out and scramble, remains to be seen. We saw it in 06 and it wasn't pretty. So the jury is still out there too.
Those are areas that I believe will be his undoing if it does occur.IF DA ends up as our starter this year, I think we'll get a much better idea if he is progressing, or if last year was "a finished product". IMO, if you've played the game this long and still have problems in oposing venues, it simply doesn't bode well in overcoming it.
Wheather it be pressure from oposing stadiums, or pressure from a banged up OL, we will see how the cards play out sooner, rather than later.....................
Because as healthy as we stayed on the OL and RB last year? In the NFL, that's the acception, not the rule.
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If we do the same thing this year that we did last year, I'm afraid there won't be anything Kardiac about it. We'll get crushed.
Kard...Last season, the Browns offense had to outscore our opponents because our defense was one of the worst in the NFL.
The Browns have done some major upgrading of our defensive personnel along with changes in the defensive coaching staff.
Hopefully, this season, our offense will not be in a position where it's up to them to outscore our opponents because the Browns defense can not be counted on to stop the opponents offense.
The Browns defense ranked 30th overall, 24th in pass defense, 27th in rush defense. Are the moves that Savage has made to the defense during this off season, "enough" to turn this defense around?
I believe the changes made to the defense will improve the defense..how much?...I'm not sure.
I'm sure "one" question that Savage and Lerner are wrestling with is,...
...if a team makes an offer for Anderson...in the neighborhood of a 1st rounder plus additional compensation...could it improve the Browns (defense) enough to justify letting Anderson go?
I'm sure there are factors that can make or break such a deal...
...is Quinn ready?
...is Ken Dorsey fit to be our #2?
...how high is the first round pick offered?
...what is the additional compensation?
...is there a defensive player in this draft that would be worth taking the gamble of letting Anderson go?
I'm not going to begin or pretend to know the answers to these questions. I'm sure there are probably 10 more serious questions to add to short list I started above.
I do know this, if the Browns do nothing additional, this defense should be improved over last years version. Also, our offense should be better in their second year together, with the same coaches, playbook and personnel.
I'm excited about the 2008 season as I see this as another major step in the long road to the Browns return to the NFL.
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I'm sure "one" question that Savage and Lerner are wrestling with is,...
...if a team makes an offer for Anderson...in the neighborhood of a 1st rounder plus additional compensation...could it improve the Browns (defense) enough to justify letting Anderson go?
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I think Savage is making it pretty clear that Anderson isn't going anywhere this year.
Next year could be a different story. This year, Anderson and Quinn will both be in Cleveland.
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Basically echoes a lot of what Vers has said. Kudos to him. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2008/04/terrys_talkin_browns_eyeing_co.htmlTerry's Talkin: Browns eyeing cornerback in fourth round by Terry Pluto Sunday April 20, 2008, 7:55 AM ABOUT THE BROWNS' QUARTERBACKS . . . Browns General Manager Phil Savage knew a tough schedule was coming, and that was yet another reason he wanted to keep Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. He didn't know the first two games would be Dallas and Pittsburgh, but he figured the TV networks would want to have the Browns playing someone tough to pump up ratings early in the season. And the last thing he wanted was to trade Anderson, start Quinn, and see the former Notre Dame star carted off the field in Game 2. Then what? Savage also is eager to see what Anderson will do this season. "He is not a finished product, he's had only 18 starts," said the general manager. "Why wouldn't he continue to improve?" Speaking to fans at a benefit for the Boys and Girls Club on Thursday, coach Romeo Crennel called Anderson "the starter" and said Quinn is "the backup." The important thing is both quarterbacks and the starting offense will re turn with coor dinator Rob Chudzinski, so they already know the system. The only newcomers are re ceiver Donte' Stal lworth and backup of fensive lineman Rex Hadnot, although both are expected to press for starting spots. At the start of last year's training camp, the Browns almost had two different offenses because quarterbacks Charlie Frye and Anderson are so different. Frye doesn't throw as long as Anderson, but moves better. Anderson is more of a pocket passer. While Quinn does not have the same arm strength as Anderson, the same basic offense works for either QB. Some fans don't realize that Anderson is very popular with his offensive teammates, and not just because he is a solid guy who doesn't want a lot of attention. The offensive line appreciates how quickly he gets rid of the ball - his 14 sacks were the fewest of any starting QB. Yes, the line is better. But he also helped by not hanging on to the ball. Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards know that they made the Pro Bowl with Anderson throwing them the ball. Running back Jamal Lewis knows that Anderson's ability to throw long helps him because the safeties have to play deeper, giving him more room to run once he gets past the line of scrimmage. This is not a knock on Quinn, whom Crennel praised during his speech for leadership and dedication. It's just a fact that players know Anderson helped them produce. They may get the same boost from Quinn, but he has yet to do it. To them, Anderson (despite some weaknesses) is a sure thing. The Browns believe Anderson can improve on his short- and mid-range passes. Rather than quickly throw away the ball when the rush comes, they hope he can develop better skills with screens and short passes to the tight end and backs. They are confident he will continue to pressure defenses with his long passing, and that he will keep them out of those second-and-15, third-and-14 situations by refusing to take needless sacks. They also know that with Anderson comes interceptions. As Savage said: "In some ways, he's an old-time gunslinger back there. He's 6-6, he can see over the linemen and he lets it fly." At Oregon State, Anderson had 24 TD passes as a junior - and 24 interceptions. As a senior, it was 29 TDs, 17 interceptions. For his career, it was 79 TDs, 57 interceptions. They want him to cut down, but they also want him to still be aggressive. Anderson had 29 TDs and 19 interceptions for the Browns last year. They also must be smart. When playing in the cold and wind that is shaking Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, how about running the ball more? This does not excuse Anderson for the four interceptions in that critical loss to the Bengals, but that also wasn't Rob Chudzinski's greatest game plan. Pro Football Outsider's Sean McCormick took a look back at the 2002 draft, where David Carr and Joey Harrington were rated the highest quarterbacks. Both went to bad teams, got beat up and - much like Tim Couch - who knows what (if anything) they could have done in different situations. The best QB in that draft was David Garrard, the 108th pick out of East Carolina. That year, the Browns took William Green at No. 16, the highest running back picked. They passed up on Clinton Portis and Brian Westbrook. Ouch! While Quinn is no doubt frustrated by not getting a chance to start with the Browns, he's probably better off here than going to an awful team and playing right away - as Couch (Browns), Carr (Houston) and Harrington (Detroit) did. When Quinn's chance does come here, he will have a strong offensive line, excellent receivers and a bullish runner in Jamal Lewis. That gives him a chance to avoid quarterback shellshock.
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I can def. agree on the poor gameplan for the Bengals game. Lewis was absolutely destroying the Bengals D but Chud kept passing.
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I meant to write "These things stand out to me."
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I meant to write "These things stand out to me."
And they're also things that some people have been saying all along ...... despite some others having a "gut feeling" to the contrary ......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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You mean like the interception parts?  I don't know who has been saying that Anderson isn't going to start. I know there's talk of people thinking Quinn could end up being the better choice, but haven't heard anyone saying that Anderson won't be the starter.
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I can def. agree on the poor gameplan for the Bengals game. Lewis was absolutely destroying the Bengals D but Chud kept passing.
Yep, rookie mistake. I'll bet that doesn't happen again. I mean, he's not always going to have the best possible game plan, but when circumstances demand flexibility he will be prepared in the future.
He did a similar thing in the Buffalo game coming out throwing like he was on turf in the Sunbelt. Finally he settled down and Lewis ran for something like 162 yards.
I'm guessing Chud is majorly agressive. I ain't complaining about that though.
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I'm not so sure that he didn't overcompensate. We were in control until the two picks in the last two minutes of the half. Is odd as it sounds, I wonder if he didn't start to press because of it. Whatever the reason for the calls in the second half, he was a rookie and I'll give him a pass.
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You mean like the interception parts?
I don't know who has been saying that Anderson isn't going to start. I know there's talk of people thinking Quinn could end up being the better choice, but haven't heard anyone saying that Anderson won't be the starter.
C'mon 17, this is weak, especially from someone as knowledgeable as you. This isn't about who the starter will be, and that is just a sad attempt to change the meaning of posting this story. You know darn well that many of the things in this article have been debated on here. The majority on this board has argued against these points. I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with any of these points disagrees with all of them, but just about everything in here was argued against.
People on her have doubted whether the players were behind DA.
People on here have doubted that DA can get better in the short passing game.
People on here have stated that DA is a finished product, citing his three years in the league as proof, even though he is a one year starter.
People on here have given Lewis credit for DA's success, but not the other way around as in this article.
There are many points in this article that are very good and give credence to some of the minority opinions on here. What can't be stated from reading this article is that DA will step up and be a long term answer. He will still have to prove that on the field. He may succeed, he may fail miserably. We do have some proof now that his team and Savage have faith in him.
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P those are the exact things that I think should be known. I havent much been preaching those things, but thats what I've been thinking.
Ive made mention of a few things, even in this thread saying similar things. I'm glad theres writing on it in an article too
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It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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People on her have doubted whether the players were behind DA.
People on here have doubted that DA can get better in the short passing game.
People on here have stated that DA is a finished product, citing his three years in the league as proof, even though he is a one year starter.
People on here have given Lewis credit for DA's success, but not the other way around as in this article.
Pdawg, I think you're taking the act of asking questions and confusing it with the act of casting doubt.
RE: The players' support. There was an article where Pat Kirwan of nfl.com suggested that BE and K2 would be upset if DA was traded. There was then a debate over whether that was an assumption of his or if there was some proof to back that up. If there was, he didn't share it. So the question wasn't even about the players support for DA, it was over how Kirwan presented his information. Some people even suggested that they read about the players' sworn allegiance to DA in article but then acknowledged that such things probably wouldn't be made public. When asked to produce said article, the poster couldn't find it. When such things occur, debate ensues.
RE: DA's short-passing game. I think we all agree that there is room for improvement in DA's game. Whether it's the short-passing game, accuracy, consistency, what have you. We all agree that there are areas he needs to work on. But I don't think anyone has doubted that he can improve. I don't recall ANYONE saying DA is a "finished product" because he has had 3 years in the league. Maybe I missed it, but I've been paying pretty close attention to all things DA lately. If I overlooked a poster who has such an outrageous claim, then please post the quote and I'll shut up.
My point is not to attack you here Pdawg. But I do think you're reading some things the wrong way. And you're probably not the only one. Some people seem to take ANY questions surrounding DA as nothing more than non-believer agendas and attempts to bash DA in order to promote love for the golden domer. Not that I can blame you for blurring the lines but having doubts are one thing. Asking questions to promote sensible discussion is something completely different.
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Pdawg, I think you're taking the act of asking questions and confusing it with the act of casting doubt.
No. I'm not.
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RE: The players' support. There was an article where Pat Kirwan of nfl.com suggested that BE and K2 would be upset if DA was traded. There was then a debate over whether that was an assumption of his or if there was some proof to back that up. If there was, he didn't share it. So the question wasn't even about the players support for DA, it was over how Kirwan presented his information. Some people even suggested that they read about the players' sworn allegiance to DA in article but then acknowledged that such things probably wouldn't be made public. When asked to produce said article, the poster couldn't find it. When such things occur, debate ensues.
That's not entirely true. Many statements are made on here dismissing any support by the players as them just saying "what they have to." There is a lot of additional comments added in regards to Quinn.
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I don't recall ANYONE saying DA is a "finished product" because he has had 3 years in the league. Maybe I missed it, but I've been paying pretty close attention to all things DA lately. If I overlooked a poster who has such an outrageous claim, then please post the quote and I'll shut up.
You would be wrong again. People have said he is will not get better, mentioning he has been in the league for three years and he was just as bad in college.
You want me to dig these comments up? Do you know how hard that is? I have used the search many times and it is very difficult to narrow down something like this with as many posts that there are about DA.
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Some people seem to take ANY questions surrounding DA as nothing more than non-believer agendas and attempts to bash DA in order to promote love for the golden domer. Not that I can blame you for blurring the lines but having doubts are one thing. Asking questions to promote sensible discussion is something completely different.
You must not be reading that closely.
Look, I was screaming at the top of my lungs when we picked DA up. I couldn't stand him in college and thought he would never amount to anything. When he was putting up big numbers in the early part of the season I was one of the ones disecting his play as "not so good." He was getting credit (like in the Raiders game) for almost getting us wins, but the defense blew it. He in fact was fortuneate that we were even close. He got away with a ton of bonehead throws.
As the season went on he proved to me that he was improving, even as his numbers dropped. His decision making was much better as the season went on. However, I have never come out and said he should be the QB of the future of this team. He has improved much, but not enough in my mind. I don't change my opinions every time the wind blows, and I am not someone you should confuse with those who go along with whatever is the popular opinion.
I do feel some of the dislike for DA comes from people wanting Quinn. I don't think the majority of DA's detractors are simply because of Quinn. There is plenty about DA to have concerns about without Quinn in the equation. I do think some of the dislike for DA has everything to do with Quinn. There have been plenty of posts on here about ditching DA because Quinn is (not maybe) much better.
DA certainly still has blind followers on this board, and there are still people on here who hate Quinn. I have pointed these things out as well as defending DA. The thing is these comments are far fewer as of late.
I believe debate is good. DA is not a sure thing. Quinn may very well be better. Then again DA might take his game to a new level, and Quinn might be a total bust. I'll say it again. I believe this article backs up some of the opinions held on this board. It weakens arguements made from those who doubt what people believe the feelings about DA within the team and organazation. It does not prove that DA can actually play. WE will only know that after he takes the field.
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FYI, I found this one qoute after only reading five posts. Quote:
I'd say most who post here watch all 16 games. And after three years in the league he's GOT to be getting "pretty damned close" to a finished product.
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You don't have to defend your position so rigorously P. Some of us with good memories know you are correct.
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You don't have to defend your position so rigorously P. Some of us with good memories know you are correct.
Actually I feel that I do. Kardiac has always been very respectful when he debates. Even though I believe he has made wrong assumptions on where I'm coming from he deserves a proper explanation. I seriously doubt my opinions will change anyones mind, but people like Kardiac are worth having a debate with.
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