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What would it be?
It would be a tossup for me between The Drive because if we stop Elway & the Donks, we're in the Super Bowl. Thought about The Fumble but that would've only tied the game.
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The Joe Table implosion in the 97 World Series against the Marlins. If Mesa doesn't see the field, who knows what happens?
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The Jose Mesa Implosion in '97. That one at least guarantees a championship. All the others would have needed another game or two to go our way.
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I'd have to change the Mesa one. Three outs, and we'd of won a Championship. You change the drive, and we'd just get into the Super Bowl and likely get stomped by the Giants just like Denver did. Same thing with the Fumble. You change that, we'd tie the game, and even if we would of won, we'd likely get crushed by the Skins.
If you stopped "The Shot", then we'd advance to the next round of the Playoffs, and there's still no guarentee of a championship. Same with RR88. Then there's the '95 World Series and '07 NBA Championship, where we were just happy to be there and one change wouldn't make a difference.
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Art Modell's conception.  Well, since I don't like the tribe and don't care about the cavs, it's obviously going to be a Browns moment. I'd take the fumble, the drive was more than just a moment. If you can count them both as a moment, I would take either.
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THE MOVE. That's a no-brainer for me.
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Byner's fumble. Not only did it cost us a shot at the Superbowl but because of it we lost a good player.
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For the Browns definitely the fumble.. I disagree with the person that said we would have been stomped by the Skins.. the Giants before that maybe, but we would have been far more competitive against the Skins than the donkeys were.
But if I had to pick just one it would be Mesa...
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The Drive comes to mind first off, than Red Right 88 against the Raiders, Mesa was a heartbreak, trading away Warfield for Mike Phipps wasnt a great move back than. Byners fumble has many issues with it also...sadly for us cleveland fans there are way to many to chose from.... Phil's gonna change it all..... 
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I sorta agree with some on the fumble and the Marlins collapse... but I think for me it was last year and the collapse of our starting pitching against the Red Sox... we needed one good game out of Carmona or CC. Never got it and lost 3 straight to lose a chance against the Rockies. I'm sure we would have beat them for the championship. Not sure we'll get a chance like that again for a long time with the way the tribe's offense looks now.
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I'll tell ya, that's what I could not believe out of the Tribe fans last year. Most on here were just like "oh well, we'll get 'em next year". Like it's that easy in baseball. It's a damn long year and it's so hard to get things to align perfectly for the end. You guys had them on the ropes with your foot on their throat and blew it. There is little doubt in my mind that the Indians would have taken the World Series. As a fan, I would have lost it. 
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The drive. 
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Truly it is.
The Drive-Big Daddy Hairston's arm would've been 2 inches higher and knocked that pass away to score the TD.
Definitely the 97 Series...so many blame Jose Mesa...and rightfully so, but the real blame lies with Grover...he should've left Wright in the game...for crying out loud, the Marlins couldn't do a thing with him, hell he was throwing 97 mph in the 8th. Should've let him finish the game.
'02 playoffs...Northcutt would've made that catch
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Hands down it has to be the Fumble.
Does it guarantee a championship? No.
Does it guarantee a win in that game? No.
What it does do is give Byner who was a very good RB, and who played a great game to that point, another chance. To see him torn down and tossed away for Herman Fontenot? Very very depressing.
If we score there, tie the game there's very little doubt in my mind that we win that game. We had all and I mean ALL the momentum at that point.
Byner was a great back for us.....I'd love to be able to erase that memory for him.
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Let an old goat throw out a few moments which never should have occurred.
1. Ernie Davis would never have developed leukemia...and played with Jim Brown for many years.
2. Herb Score never got hit in the face by the line drive by Gil McDougle and became one of the most dominant pitchers in bb history.
3. Rocky Colavito never was traded to the Tigers....ever...ever....ever!
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probably red right 88, i think that was our best chance at a winner...
maybe doubling jordan on "the shot"...
maybe having jose mesa actually listen to sandy alomar in the 9th of game 7 (watch the tape if you have it, he shakes off all of sandy initial calls, this guy didn't have the stones to throw the heat)
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The Jose Mesa Implosion in '97. That one at least guarantees a championship. All the others would have needed another game or two to go our way.
I agree... I thought we had that in the bag...
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Mesa implosion, only because I was alive to see it.
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The Mesa thing was big....but the biggest screw job in Cleveland sports WAS when Gabe Paul traded Dick Tidrow, Craig Nettles, and Chris Chambliss to the Yankees for Fritz Peterson and some other wife swapper.....then leave the Indians to become GM of the Yankees.
It was at that point I knew baseball was rigged and Bowie Kunn was a cheese eating rat of a commissioner.
Any real commissioner would have throw up a red flag the day Paul left for the Yankees a few weeks after that deal.
No question in my mind...that was the biggest corncob ever stuffed in to our you know what's.
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RR88 (or Cockroft not totally sucking that game). We'd have won the superbowl. The Eagles weren't that good, and it just didn't seem like Sipe could lose an important game.
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I think that would have been against the Skins...
No??
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I think that would have been against the Skins...
No??
yeah it was philly...
i wasn't alive then, but i only picked rr88 because the raiders went on to win the whole thing...
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The Jose Mesa Implosion in '97. That one at least guarantees a championship. All the others would have needed another game or two to go our way.
I agree... I thought we had that in the bag...
To this day, that still makes me want to throw up. It was the first and only time I've ever cried after watching a sporting event. That was just such an emotional letdown.
Last year was pretty bad as well. Up 3-1 only to lose the ALCS and watch Boston steamroll Colorado.
I need a beer.
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The Jose Mesa Implosion in '97. That one at least guarantees a championship. All the others would have needed another game or two to go our way.
I agree... I thought we had that in the bag...
To this day, that still makes me want to throw up. It was the first and only time I've ever cried after watching a sporting event. That was just such an emotional letdown.
Last year was pretty bad as well. Up 3-1 only to lose the ALCS and watch Boston steamroll Colorado.
I need a beer.
I cried after the Drive and Fumble b/c the Browns ment everything to me as a kid. I was around 9 then
My pick was the 97 Tribe. That was special team b/c each series someone kept stepping up. I was at the ALCS game vs Baltimore that Marquis Grissom scored that run,,it was a great summer. To have it end like that, another blow to my nads by one of my teams,,man that hurt. i didn't cry but punched a hole in my buddy's wall
The Buckeyes finally ended that drought! Only the very next day the Browns blow it in Pittsburgh and I was brought back down from the clouds. Ahhh, if for only 24 hours 
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I've only lived in Cleveland since 1994... so the Browns were pretty much out of here right after that... so I have been a fan since the team came back... so since I have been here... I think the biggest thing I would change is the Bengals/Browns game last season where we lost our shot for the playoffs. That was probably the biggest disappointment for me yet. Either that or the LeCharles Bentley injury.
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Okay...let's see here.
Since I have been alive...
1. Jordan decides to play baseball instead of basketball
2. Red Right 88
3. Mesa in the 97 World Series
4 Manny never leaves.
5. Never letting Ted Stepian near any Cleveland team.
6. Kellen Winslow and motorcycles.
7. The Move...Never had football growing up.
8. Trade the 1st pick to the Saints a pray we get someone good.
9. Carman Policy never sees the light of day here.
10. Butch Davis never gets a gut feeling ever again.
11. Last year in the ALCS...sigh, best chance Cleveland has been to a WSC.
12. Big Money
13. And certainly not least...not forcing Jim Brown to retire. Which would mean to have Art Modell assassinated.
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14. Carlos Boozer never leaves town.
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you had a good run Hank.
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Plus, I might be mistaken, but I thought the NFL rules wouldn't allow us to trade down from our #1 pick because we were an expansion team.
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That would have killed 2 birds with 1 stone.. No Move  nothing like a good two'fer
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Red right 88 gets my vote.
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This thread makes me want to cry and has totally ruined my day. Too many repressed memories in here. Thanks all.
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I would change the way Byner was holding that ball. 2 hands high and tight at mid to lower chest instead of one hand at the hip.
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Or you could change the way Slaughter was blocking his guy ... two hands on the chest of the corner ... rather than two eyes looking back at Byner.
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I'd go with Mesa's meatball over the plate.
Sure, having the Browns beat the Donkeys to be in the Superbowl would have been nice but one more out would have meant the Indians were the World Champions where as the Browns would have still needed to win another game against teams that destroyed the team that beat us.
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J/C Messa for sure! But on a side note, I would love not to have run out on the feild the last game in the muni, that hurt like hell when they tackled me 
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The Indians would have beat the Rockies last year, but, I can't get mad at the Indians for losing to Boston. The Indians didn't choke, Fausto and CC didn't choke either. The Indians were asked to do the impossible- beat the team with the highest payroll in baseball history, then beat the team with the second highest payroll in baseball history. It is remarkable that a team like the Indians even came that close to pulling it off. Had baseball had any sort of salary cap last year, the Indians would have easily swept Boston.
I was at the "Drive" and wish it never happened. After Dave Pozzuli sacked Elway near midfield, Denver faced a 3rd and 18 - Had our Pro-Bowl caliber safety Don Rogers not passed away prior to the '86 season, Denver probably wouldn't have converted.
I wish the Browns never left. - Take a look at the coaching and scouting staff of the 1994 team- we were building something special here.
I wish Muni Stadium was never demolished.
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Dude, sorry, but they choked. That salary issue thing is complete bunk. They beat the Yankees and had the Sox down 3-0. That excuse is weak.
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