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Common and Mos Def come to mind. I'm not a fan of the genre but I have heard those two guys in particular and they have some really good things to say .
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Common and Mos Def come to mind. I'm not a fan of the genre but I have heard those two guys in particular and they have some really good things to say .
Thank you. And many more, that he's never heard of.
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Yes, but to further elaborate...
The comment that rappers are scumbags was referring to "real" rappers, not the dreamer wannabes.
Hip hop has always been more than what you hear on the radio. But then again, ignorance is something you thrive in.
So I'm not insulted by you, or OSU, or Fletch...your opinions are of no consequence to me, or the rest of the hip hop world. Cause while DMX and other rappers may seem to find legal trouble...they've still got more money than you three...combined. They have a talent that has made them millions...and you? Not so much!
So go ahead and laugh at me, I'll laugh at you. Because I do have a gift or more than just rap, but poetry as well. I do it because I love it...I go to work to make money. Maybe one day, I'll get a deal, I'll be sure to leave backstage passes for you OSU, and Fletch...and make sure you tell security what you think of rap music!
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Man, you really have blinders on.
Really?? Can you expand on that?? What am I blind about?
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My point exactly. EVERYONE else on the board knows what I am talking about, they may not agree, they may absolutely think I am an ass, but can SEE and have the intelligence to comprehend what has been written.
And before you cry to someone about "personal attacks" as you do every other post, I, if you notice did not include you in the above statement, I was just complimenting EVERYONE else.
Really? Did you ask EVERYONE else? Was there a poll taken that I didnt know about? See and comprehend what you wrote? You didnt write anything to comprehend. I can understand your statement, that I have blinders on.Maybe you should learn how to use the quote feature and I would know exactly which of my statements you were commenting on. You made a statement and gave no intelligent backing to your statement, then tell me I cry about personal attacks in EVERY other post, which is asinine in itself. I apologize if you dont have the brains to participate in a discussion and actually give some credence to your statement.
Ok so I see the gloves are off now, thats fine with me. I guess a intelligent discussion on a suject is impossible with someone who is lacking the intelligence to back their statement and can only claim EVERYONE knows what you mean.Ever hear of a group thinking rhetorical statment?
Since you refuse to tell me what I have blinders on about, if you even know yourself, I will take a guess on what I think you meant. I dont listen to rap music, dont care for it, or the message that is being put out. It is self defeating crap. My statement was that it is not rap music that is destroying the inner city black community, but rather the things being rapped about are a reflecetion of the inner city, black community that is already destroyed.
Now see here is the part you should work on, I am going to back my statement. Was the inner city, black community in trouble before rap music came around in the early 80's? Things were already pretty bad right? Its not like things were going well and rap music came around and things went to hell in the hood. Now like I also said, rap music is contributing to keeping things bad by glamorizing that lifestyle, which plays a role in a vicious circle scenario.
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This thread is pretty ridiculous. Its being perpetuated by a couple people who love hip hop, and a couple people who are completely ignorant of it. 
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This thread is pretty ridiculous. Its being perpetuated by a couple people who love hip hop, and a couple people who are completely ignorant of it.
I agree completely! Thus, unless someone has something else derogatory to say about me, there's nothing left for me to say....Hell, I don't even like DMX!
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Now see here is the part you should work on, I am going to back my statement. Was the inner city, black community in trouble before rap music came around in the early 80's? Things were already pretty bad right? Its not like things were going well and rap music came around and things went to hell in the hood. Now like I also said, rap music is contributing to keeping things bad by glamorizing that lifestyle, which plays a role in a vicious circle scenario.
I'll say this and move on. I agree. Which is why I don't rap about those things. I rap to uplift the black community. One of the principles of Kwanzaa is Kujichagulia, which means Self-Determination. That's what I'm all about. Fighting together as a people to improve our own plight, and not waiting for a handout or help, but doing it ourselves, through love, brotherhood, and education. I'm what KRS-One would call an "edutainer" But that's not entirely marketable by big labels, because it doesn't sell records. If I had an opportunity to get on in the early 90's, I'd have made it, but my focus was going to college and ensuring I'd be successful. But what do these people know, who only read headlines?
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Thus, unless someone has something else derogatory to say about me,
Well if you got that foot oder problem cleared up, I'm out of negative comments to make 
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I'm what KRS-One would call an "edutainer"
Kinda like Asheru and Blue Black?
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Thus, unless someone has something else derogatory to say about me,
Well if you got that foot oder problem cleared up, I'm out of negative comments to make
That's odor tough guy...and Gold Bond cleared that right up! 
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OK then we are cool  Yes I use to flunk spelling.
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I'm what KRS-One would call an "edutainer"
Kinda like Asheru and Blue Black?
I'm impressed.
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OK then we are cool
Yes I use to flunk spelling.
Cool as a fan man, cool as a fan!
BTW, the little red squiggly line that pops up under words...it's called spell check! 
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Not a lot of people understand that there is rap like that out there. I followed hip hop for years and came across a lot of artists who actually have something to say.
I came acrossed Asheru on an album called "The Essence of J.Rawls," which featured the song "Nommo" by Asheru. Overall, the entire album was great. And I wouldn't have known J.Rawls except for the fact that he produced "Brown-skin Lady" track on the Black Star album.
People don't realize that when you disregard a lot of the empty garbage on the radio--there is actually some really good music out there.
Rap isn't just gangsters and hoe's. It varies greatly just like any other genre of music.
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Not a lot of people understand that there is rap like that out there. I followed hip hop for years and came across a lot of artists who actually have something to say.
I came acrossed Asheru on an album called "The Essence of J.Rawls," which featured the song "Nommo" by Asheru. Overall, the entire album was great. And I wouldn't have known J.Rawls except for the fact that he produced "Brown-skin Lady" track on the Black Star album.
People don't realize that when you disregard a lot of the empty garbage on the radio--there is actually some really good music out there.
Rap isn't just gangsters and hoe's. It varies greatly just like any other genre of music.
Dude, me and you just became best friends.
I actually got put onto a lot of underground hip hop...there a group out of Minnesota...two white guys called Atmosphere...these cats are throrough. Probably one of my favorite no names! There another group from the west coast called Zion I and Grouch. Little Brother, although they're gaining a little notoriety. I go to a site called Hip Hop DX...they play a lot of underground there. Another cat named Sha Stimuli that I like has a lot stuff on there.
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You really sound foolish. First of all, most rappers who are signed to big labels portray that "thug" image, because that's what sells. Most are just punks. But there are far more people in hip hop than what's shown on MTV and BET, and what's played on the radio.
So in other words, there are "good rappers" but nobody listens to them, buys their music or gives them air time.
So the message, for the most part, that kids get from rap today is the thug stuff that promotes violence and glorifies crime. Which is the point entirely IMO
You see, most of todays youth watch MTV, BET and buy major labels BECAUSE that's what IS being promoted and played where they go to listen to it. (radio,MTV,BET) It's what gets promoted and played the vast majority of the time.
Why is it that many simply can not grasp this concept?
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there a group out of Minnesota...two white guys called Atmosphere...these cats are throrough. Probably one of my favorite no names!
Not sure if they are no-names anymore, I saw them on MTV the other day, I really liked the quick clip I heard, but wasnt sure about them since i caught them on MTV.
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You see, most of todays youth watch MTV, BET and buy major labels BECAUSE that's what IS being promoted and played where they go to listen to it. (radio,MTV,BET) It's what gets promoted and played the vast majority of the time.
Why is it that many simply can not grasp this concept?
I grasp that concept, so who is to blame, the rappers talking about being gangsters or the real gangsters who are running the record labels,radio stations, and the Video Stations?
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It's not that no one wants to buy their music, it's just not readily available at your local Sam Goody. Why, because major labels don't like to put out that type of music. The reason there are so many "gangsta" rappers is because that's what labels are looking for. If the market was truly open, and alternative (for lack of a better word) hip hop was promoted as much as the garbage on the radio, we wouldn't be having this discussion. However, things are the way they are. We've reached a point in hip hop where the music is now shaping the reality. Where before, gangsta rappers considered themselves the broadcasters of life in the ghetto. While true in some cases, some of these clowns have never lived that lifestyle, but it doesn't take much to watch a couple of movies and videos, and make a song from it.
Wordplay and lyricism are quickly becoming uncool, it's all about the beat and the hook, and who cares what's in the verse. As long as it can get a club hype. In 1993, somebody like Soulja Boy would NEVER have made it, because you actually had to be able to rap to make it. But when independent labels came on the scene, mainly No Limit Records and Master P, anybody could make a record and put it out...so the dope dealers became label execs...and here we are today!
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I know atmosphere, listened to them when they released their "God Loves Ugly" album. And I know Zion I as well, isn't that Planet Asia and Rasco.
I also listen to the super-violent "Jedi Mind Tricks" from time to time. Their album "Violent by Design" was amazingly hardcore. Anymore I listen to definitive jux artists and 90's early 2000's underground. Some DITC, Big L, Soundbombing I & II.
There also is a Roc Raida crossfaderz album that I listen to that is amazing. Its basically Raida cutting up some classic East Coast Underground.
I was a hip hop nut for awhile and amassed quite a collection of independent rap albums--some good, some not so good.
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there a group out of Minnesota...two white guys called Atmosphere...these cats are throrough. Probably one of my favorite no names!
Not sure if they are no-names anymore, I saw them on MTV the other day, I really liked the quick clip I heard, but wasnt sure about them since i caught them on MTV.
I'm glad they're getting out there. I just hope that they don't get labeled as the next great white hype, and get accepted as an MC and DJ...how things used to be...like Eric B and Rakim!
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Well, imagine that, a rapper committing crimes. I'm shocked and surprised beyond all belief. LMAO There has been a recent rash of rappers displaying criminal behavior or as I like to call it ignorant behavior.
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I'm glad they're getting out there. I just hope that they don't get labeled as the next great white hype, and get accepted as an MC and DJ...how things used to be...like Eric B and Rakim!
In the little i heard I liked it, Im definitely going to check them out now.
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I believe record labels "promote what sells".
I would love to see an evolution that promoted a far better message in rap music. I haven't seen it yet, but I would consider that a good thing.
Problem being, at the present time, the promotion of violence and crime being what sells, it's a very troubling situation. And because youth are very impressionable, I feel it has added to the negatism and dissention that only serves to help keep us divided as a nation.
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The promotion of violence and crime isn't just in rap music. Its in pretty much every kind of media produced these days.
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It's "in" most all media today or "promoted" by most media today?
There's quite a difference there IMO
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Ok I will go in a different direction here as to why the rap music that is being marketed is only the trash we hear today.
Keep in mind that as whole number more rap music is bought by white youth than is black youth. I am sure among blacks the percentage that buy rap is higher but as far as the total amount distributed more is bought by whotes than blacks due to the larger number of whites.
Ok so here is a thought, do the marketers of rap musi market what they do because they feel it will appeal to white youths more? Lets face it, whites that listen to rap for the most part because they want to hear about bitches and hos, they could care less about anything a positive rapper has to say, for the most part. For the most part white America did not listen to rap music until gangster rap came in to vogue. Very few whites listened to Public Enemy and Boogie Down Productions back in the day , but plenty listened to NWA and the Ghetto Boyz.
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I agree with everything you just said.
I don't see it as a "black and white" thing. I see it as a bad message that is being imbedded in the mind of our nations youth.
Hopefully people like yourself and ndu will buy and promote to others buying more rap music with a far more positive message so that this changes in the future.
While I doubt if I would listen to rap regardless of the message ( simply because I like other venues far better ), it would be very nice if the music that got the air time had a more positive message IMO
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While I doubt if I would listen to rap regardless of the message ( simply because I like other venues far better ), it would be very nice if the music that got the air time had a more positive message IMO
I listened to rap in its early days so I know a little bit about it, I am definitely a full fledged rocker now.
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I'm glad they're getting out there. I just hope that they don't get labeled as the next great white hype, and get accepted as an MC and DJ...how things used to be...like Eric B and Rakim!
In the little i heard I liked it, Im definitely going to check them out now.
Do that! It's well worth it.
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