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Wow, Keenan Mcardell is still playing ball. Awesome.

Decent list, considering the circumstances.

I like Michael Pittman. He is a very versatile back that would fit well in a back-up role.

I wonder what is going on w/Moulds. He is a very talented WR. Head case?

Hey Vers, as far as Moulds goes, hasn't he had some foot/ankle issues the past few seasons or at least some injury problems. Seems like I remember something about that, although, it may not have been too serious. I am surprised that some team hasn't picked him up yet.

I'd really like us to grab Pittman as well. I've seen him a lot in TB and I always liked the way never quits playing. He has had a few off field issues as I recall. I also wouldn't mind us grabbing Mike Doss. I think he might be better Safety help than Perry, though I guess Perry could improve, Browns must see something they like to resign him.

I didn't know that about Moulds. Perhaps that is the reason. I really liked the guy in Buffalo. Thought he was a stud.

I didn't know about Pittman's off-field issues. I love his versatility and I think he runs hard when he has it. He is always a threat to break one. I love how he catches it and that is why I really want the guy.

Doss............I like the guy. I'm somewhat familiar w/him from his high school days. He is a quality human being. I just don't think he would give us much. He is a SS whose coverage skills are really suspect. He has a very difficult time in space and no way is he better than Jones. I hate ripping him because he is a great guy, but I don't think he would help us.

I agree about Doss. If we would be to get a safety it would be a pass coverage one. We don't need one who is a run stuffer.

Interesting that you hear he has off field issues but that you "really want the guy". Maybe you should take a look see before continuing to tout a player.

Here's one of the issues you're overlooking: http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/07/Tampabay/Player_s_wife_said_ab.shtml

Player's wife said abuse came often

A police report says Melissa Pittman said there were 30 to 40 times that she didn't report violence by her husband to police.
By ROGER MILLS
Published June 7, 2003

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Melissa Pittman, wife of Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Michael Pittman, told investigators that she was subjected to 30 to 40 incidents of domestic violence that were not reported to the police.

If verified, the accusations would paint a picture of repeated domestic problems well before Pittman's arrest May 31 in Phoenix that led to two charges of aggravated battery. He is accused of ramming his Hummer into a Mercedes-Benz carrying his wife, 2-year-old son Mycah and a babysitter.

In police reports obtained Friday by the St. Petersburg Times, arresting officer Troy Hill wrote that Melissa Pittman said "there were approximately 30 to 40 prior domestic violence situations that were never reported to police."

Melissa Pittman's mother, Cathy Mumford, was visiting the family last week, and, according to the reports, told police "she had been present during several domestic violence situations between Michael and Melissa in the past."

And, according to the reports, babysitter Kristina Hegland "related she was afraid of Michael and his family because she had seen too much."

Melissa Pittman's father, Ken Mumford, said in an interview Friday that he was aware of a number of domestic altercations between the couple, but couldn't say the extent.

"I knew there were a few instances, but I don't know if there were that many," he said. "But we love Michael. We're Christian people. We can forgive people as long as they can change."

After interviewing Melissa and Michael Pittman and several witnesses, police arrested Pittman.

Pittman, who returned to Phoenix Thursday after three days of workouts with the Bucs in Tampa, is on three years' probation after two misdemeanor convictions of domestic violence against his wife in 2001.

Prosecutors in that case said, based on the new charges, they intend to ask a Tempe municipal court judge to revoke Pittman's probation, which could lead to jail.

Ed Brennan, a Tampa lawyer recently retained by Melissa Pittman, said neither he nor his client would have any comment on previous accusations of domestic abuse.

"She believes this to be a very private matter to be settled privately and we're not going to comment on those particular statements," Brennan said.

Pittman was unavailable for comment Friday, but in a sworn statement given to police in Phoenix last Saturday he said his wife struck his vehicle, which he said was not moving at the time.

The report obtained by the Times Friday offers specific details leading up to Pittman's arrest.

It says there was a a "heated argument over Michael's infidelity" on May 30.

"Michael stated that the conflict is over the fact that Melissa opened up Michael's cell phone bill and observed phone numbers on the cell phone bill that were not known," the report said. "Melissa called the numbers and found out that they were girls that she did not know."

Police said Melissa Pittman attempted to leave the house in the couple's silver Mercedes with Mycah and Hegland on May 31. Pittman followed in his Hummer, blocked her exit at the gate and drove the Hummer into the passenger side of the Mercedes, pushing it onto the curb and causing damage on the driver's side.

According to the reports, Melissa Pittman said Pittman told her to "get the f--- out of the car" and he called her a "white piece of s---" and a "b----".

Melissa Pittman, 25, returned to the house and again was confronted by Pittman who told her to "get out and get (your) family the f--- out of (my) house," the report said.

Hegland said Pittman, 27, drove his Hummer into the Mercedes to prevent his wife from leaving the subdivision and added, "she thought it was an intentional act because Michael had been threatening to hit them with the car." Hegland told police that while she was not concerned about her safety at the time, she was "concerned about Mycah and that Michael would hurt someone."

The report said Pittman took his son and a car seat out of the Mercedes and put them in the Hummer before continuing an argument with his wife. Hegland, police said, removed the child from Pittman's Hummer, took him into the house, talked with Cathy Mumford and called the police.

Vickie Pierson, a close friend of Melissa Pittman and her mother, was at the house May 31. She said she walked outside and stayed at Melissa's side during the argument because "she did not want Michael to attack Melissa," the report said.

Friday, Pierson said in an interview that she never felt as if she was in danger but said: "He has some issues of anger that he needs to deal with. He has a lot of anger and it certainly is not because of her. It's in his heart."

Pittman said in the report that he parked his Hummer at a 45-degree angle in front of the Mercedes and his wife inflicted the damage to her car when she "tried to exit the gate by squeezing through. When this happened, her front left tire hit the curb and her front right tire and fender wheel hit my front tire and that is why I have damage to my front wheel."

Brennan, Melissa Pittman's attorney, said the Bucs responded Friday to a request for a meeting with his client and he hopes to finalize details of that meeting when Melissa Pittman is in Tampa next week.

Brennan, a divorce lawyer, would not confirm what legal avenues Melissa Pittman will follow.

Linda Osmundson, executive director of St. Petersburg's Community Action Stops Abuse, said spouses frequently stay long-term in abusive relationships.

"It's classic, common (behavior) for the battered wife to hang on," Osmundson said. "It's hard for people to imagine and particularly hard for men to understand. Women invest in our relationships, for richer or poorer, better or worse. A lot of time we can excuse behavior based on stress. We learn in any relationship to forgive and we somehow feel responsible."

Osmundson said historically abuse is about control and different victims will be controlled by a "moving line" of intimidation.

"The other thing people have to understand is that (abusers) aren't abusive all of time," she said. "In between, there are good times and you learn to forgive and forget. Abusers can be very charming."

Be nice, you're just trying to provoke a fight.

I like Pittman as well, but didn't know about his issues. I don't want a guy who beats his wife, period.

If you cast a stone you should then be prepared if you're hypocritical.

But if you're a really good backup free agent RB then you're excused! Praise the Lord!

Welcome to Cleveland!

Redskins | Team releases J. Mathis
Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:54 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Washington Redskins released WR Jerome Mathis Thursday, May 15.

Not saying the Browns should pick him up, but if someything were to happen to Cribbs in the very near future, then it would be worth bringing him in for a look as competition against Kasper as a return man and 5th wideout. Thats only if something were to happen to Cribbs.

I know he has had a couple of decent seasons in Atlanta, but Im not sure what he has done as of late.

I didn't know about Pittman's problems. I think I even said that.

That was a cheap shot, Held.

Agreed, a bit of a cheap shot Held and Choco. I didn't post about Pittman's off field issues to become a topic of argument. I posted as a topic of discussion and a reminder for those who forgotten or didn't know.

Even with his off field issue(s), I seem to remember there being two issues, I'd still bring him in. As I said, he's a hard runner and plays all out. Can't remember how good his blocking skills are though?

These issue(s) also were within the span of several years, so it's not like he's a cancer , i.e. Pacman and Henry, but he's made a few bad decisions over the course of his career I still think he'd be a very solid backup/complimentary back for Lewis. Certainly an upgrade over Harrison and IMO Wright too.

Pittman has, in the first 4 seasons 2,572 rushing yards, 12 TD's

Pittman first 2 seasons 1,008 rushing yards, 6 TD's

Jason Wright has a total of 503 yards in 4 seasons. 2 TD's

Jerome Harrison has 43 rushing yds in 2 season. 0 TD's

Now we could factor in receiving yards: (though I'm more interested in rushing)

Pittman has 1,516 yards receiving, 0 TD's, in his first 4 seasons, compared to Wright:

Wright has 330 yards 0 TD's

Pittman has 775 yards receiving, 0 TD's, in his first 2 seasons, as compared to Harrison:

Harrison has 66 yards, 0 TD's

Overall, more productivity behind VERY suspect OL's in Zona and Tampa. Even the Super Bowl Bucs were no juggernaut on offense.

Just for fun, I'll give you Pittman's last 2 and 4 year periods just to compare what he's done lately.

Pittman has 1,895 yards rushing, 5 TD's, in the past 4 years

Pittman has 951 yards receiving, 0 TD's, in his last 4 years.

So, you see, Pittman has, in both his first 4 seasons and his last 4 seasons, more total yards rushing, receiving, and more TD's than Wright or Harrison combined.

Anybody still think he wouldn't be quality depth?

I would bring him in for sure if Lewis got hurt.

I dont think Savage would add him to this current roster because he has his power runner. I believe if Savage were to upgrade the current RB commitee, it would be to upgrade the faster change of pace back.

I think Pittman would fit Pittsburgh better than Davenport. I dont know if many Squeeler fans would agree with that. Davenport does play specail teams though. As is the case with Wright and Harrison (if/when active).

Harrison never did impress me. If he cant produce in his 3rd year as a pro, on a team that wins because of its explosive offense, then I would just assume he be replaced next season.

I thought Ive read somewhere that Wright was really good at helping to protect the QB. It might even be in this thread. i also thought filled in nicely when Jamal went down against some good defenses. I think he played primarly against NE and Baltimore last year when he wasnt doing spot duty.

That UDFA from Penn ST. is doing alright in OTAs. But I think he got in trouble for hitting his girlfriend also. Dont qoute me on that.

I believe Pittman to be a faster back than Lewis, at this point in both their careers. So I think Pittman could be that complimentary back for us. Wright is also really good on ST. Pittman is 32 so he'd only be useful for us say 1 or 2 seasons, maybe 3 at the most. Until we find our RB stud in the draft. I don't really believe Lewis will be here much more than that either. So I'm betting that Phil and the Browns are going to really be looking at RB in the next draft or two.

cheap shot? ok...whatever. he seemed to have "read all the reports" on others.....thought he knew his stuff.

carry on...

I read all the reports on Wright because he was a Brown. That is the only "other."

I did not know about Pittman's past and I clearly expressed that.

Yes, it was a cheap shot. No biggie, but don't expect me to stand idly by while you and Held spread your crap.

I still like Kevin Jones over pittman.....assuming he is healthy he would be a star behind our line......

jk


Honestly I loved Doss at OSU....but he didnt fit in Indy, was slow in coverage and couldnt stay healthy, he moves on to Minnestoa and is injured again, He might be a player but ya cant make play on IR and that is where Doss has been the last two years. I say we pass on Mike.