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As you said somewhere...DA is 25, in his second year as a starting qb.
It is hard to believe some improvements won't take place(not saying you think he is a finished product or won't improve)
I stay out of this stuff for the most part.....I just don't think DA has as big a learning curve as some want to portray.
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"I just don't think DA has as big a learning curve as some want to portray."
I won't beat this dead horse...but will leave you with this.
A big learning curve is needed in his accuracy and decisions of passes within 10 yards. Last season a dismal 50%...not 51 or 52% but 50%. This is not even marginally close to what the NFL norm is let alone an NFL Franchise QB norm. Teams without a doubt will be giving us the underneath stuff until DA make them pay! Again, this is no small matter and will be the key to DA progressing his career here as a Brown!
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" A big learning curve is needed in his accuracy and decisions of passes within 10 yards. Last season a dismal 50%...not 51 or 52% but 50%. This is not even marginally close to what the NFL norm is let alone an NFL Franchise QB norm. Teams without a doubt will be giving us the underneath stuff until DA make them pay! Again, this is no small matter and will be the key to DA progressing his career here as a Brown! " Pretty much the Bottom line  .. Hi guy !
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That's just about the best post you've made since ... well, since I can ever remember reading you. You managed to make a valid point without straddling the fence and without a veiled insult.
I can see how the QB situation can be viewed as a positive...two capable QBs in case of an unfortunate circumstance...and hell, Savage himself has done nothing but talk about how positive it is He's convinced everyone that it's positive. Quinn, by all accounts, is handling everything like a real leader. All is hunky dory in Browns Town right now.
But what I fear is that if DA starts struggling, the media and fan pressure to put Quinn in is going to be enormous. Kind of goes back to the saying 'when you have 2 QBs, you have none'. I can see a situation where it becomes a very dysfunctional environment and the pressure becomes so much, that the FO makes a decision they don't yet want to make. Changing QBs midstream - not due to injury - can be a step back for a team. There could be a divided lockerroom. There could be growing pains with a new QB taking over. I think there are a lot of things that could go wrong when the fanbase and media know that the potential future QB is on the bench, and they want to see him now.
This is definitely a 'glass half empty' point of view. I'm not much of an optimist, I guess. Or at least not with this situation. The longer it goes on, the more worried I get.
I think the absolute best possible scenario for the Browns is that Quinn wins the job in TC. I just don't know if he'll have the opportunity to.
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Ahh, Rish, when it comes right down to it, I guess I do choose to look at it as a positive.. Can't deny it. Won't even try, As for how you want to view it, like I said, I got no problem with the picture you see.. In the end, you could have hit the nail on the head.. Oh,, I don't hide insults,, when I want to insult someone I do it,, clear and up front.. If you think you are seeing or saw vailed insults from me to any one or you in particular,, then that's the way you are reading it.. not the way I'm saying it.. 
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2. RAC n Savage have stated that this is not a competition...our starter from last year earned his status as starter for the 08 campaign.
Doesn't the "campaign" start long before the "election"?
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3. QB is the one position you do not open for competition...as an old adage states if you have a competition for QB that is basically testimony that you don't have a QB!
OR, that we may finaly get a look at THE QB we DO have!
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4. It has begun??? The competition for the QB within the MEDIA! And the media can be relentless. This can be good as I have seen DA fold under the pressure in the past. If he is our Franchise QB he must conquer playing under pressure, this can only add a pressure of competition prior to the season's start...not within practice and via our coaches but through the media.
So if DA "stinks up the joint in pre season", you are trying to indicate that despite this, DA will still be our starter in game 1?
Just wondering.
I agree with what you say about him needing to prove that "he can perform well under pressure". Because in the NFL, that's what seperates decsent teams from Championship teams IMO
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I would like to get in on this debate, by saying that it’s better for the team as a whole to have a starting QB named before the season, because the team has a focus point and can get down to the real business of X’s & O’s. IMO Brady Quinn has been put in the best environment for developing into a starting QB. He was drafted by a team that not only had the skilled players, but also the OL men to go along with an offensive philosophy that took most of the league by surprise in 08. He was also given the time to learn the system and wasn’t thrown in before he was mentally ready. Brady Quinn can also refer to history to know that unless you are a legend at QB you are only guarantied the Job as far as your last games production or lack thereof. I.e. Charlie Frye I don’t want to debate their strengths and weaknesses, because they both deserve the benefit of the doubt as to their respective development. When speaking in regard to a QB controversy, it usually means you have no clear cut talent at the position. To have two potential starters gives me goose bumps every time I think of it, as I’m confident that it does RAC as well. The Coach has handled this issue very well to this point. The test will be if he makes a switch will it be for all the right reasons. It’s been said that the team is behind DA as it should be, but I think if it had to be BQ they would support him as well. What ever is the best for the team. I don’t foresee a division on this team over who should be the starting QB. The Original HOF Dawg talker (Fl_ Dawg)
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You misunderstood. Sheesh.
The point was that DA had a lot of balls dropped on him too. Yet, I never hear one word about those. Not one. I do hear how his receivers made all these great catches. They did make some great catches, but there were far more drops than great catches.
Maybe because it's a lot easier to point out things that happened in 1 drive from a QB than an entire season from another QB.
Quinn threw 8 passes, 2 of which were dropped in the endzone. Much easier to point that out than go over an entire season of DA behind center.
And yes, there were plenty of drops. Just like other receivers in the NFL do from time to time. Braylon has been well known to drop the easy ones and then reel in the improbable ones. It all washes out.
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"So if DA "stinks up the joint in pre season", you are trying to indicate that despite this, DA will still be our starter in game 1?
Just wondering."
No where close to what I'm indicating.
Look, one proven fact - DA is a stud in practice...he showed it last year in OTA's and he continued to show it during the season as well as the Pro-Bowl. I doubt he will succomb to any pressure and change that prowess he shows in practice.
Pre-Season games...he's only going to get 2-3 series the first two games...the rest will be BQ's time and then Dorsey in Mop up.
With one exception...the 3rd pre-season game, he will get to play the first half. Which btw will be against the Lions - the worst D we will face. Then just a series in the last game.
If DA looks flat it will be explained that he just didn't get enough reps to get into the flow...an excuse and the truth all in one. For DA to actually lose the starting job it will be next to impossible.
What I am saying is that in the interim - BQ will be getting a lot of Reps...some even with the starters. The more LIGHTS OUT he plays the more pressure the Media is going to put on DA...the more pressure will be put on the staff (more so by BQ's play) to shorten DA's leash...he will feel it tightening around his collar.
If he succeeds under these conditions and presssures - even though there is no pressure of a "Competition" it will be a good barometer if the kid is actually a true Franchise QB.
I'm not predicting Success or Failure. I'm trying to paint an accurate picture of the Environment of which DA will be feeling and experiencing. Will he fail to the pressures? Will he succeed and prosper under the gun? Nobody here knows, you all can make educated guesses...some more educated than others. But nobody knows for sure, not even the coaches. Its just something we will have to see.
As I've said before actually the best case scenario for the season is DA plays great...gets a small injury - to his non-throwing shoulder...BQ gets 3 starts and plays great. DA comes back and takes over the reigns - under the unwritten rule you don't lose your position because of an injury...we go deep in the playoffs.
We deal one of our QBs in the Offseason for MUCHO return! I know some will bypass what I'm really stating and just blow me apart for stating that no-no word "injury"...its not what I'm beckoning for. So just fill in your reality situation for DA to play lights out, BQ gets 3 starts in succession and plays lights out, DA takes over the reigns where he left off and takes us deep to success in the 2nd season! If this can be done in some Fairy Tale situation without an injury...so be it.
And excuse me for being so defensive but that is from my environment of posting the last few months.
If DA is our Guy...so be it. But I want to be 100% sure. Tough media pressure will be a good litmus test.
that is what I'm saying.
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If there's one thing that I'm hoping DA improves on, it's getting into the flow earlier.
Down the stretch of many games, the dude is lights out, but a lot of times I've seen him start out flat. Hopefully, it's all just a comfort issue and will improve with time.
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"If there's one thing that I'm hoping DA improves on, it's getting into the flow earlier."
#1 thing I'm looking for DA to improve is the ability to rotate his feet front and back quickly from 45 degrees left and right....That would be back foot first and then step from the front foot...squaring the shoulders in the process. A good obvious example is how Payton pitter patter his feet all during his reads so that he can quickly have it set in that panning of the field. I laugh when those who simply don't know call this "Happy feet". But right now DA's biggest physical failures or his horrendous accuracy for passes up to the 10 yard range. This inaccuracy is 99% due to footwork...I want to see this footwork and I want to see it as 2nd nature cause you can't be thinking about it...you got to just do it. Its too simple a task to waste thought process on it. It has to be drilled. My fear is that his very big feet might make that task an impossibility...but I will give him his shot as a fan. He did show me that he worked hard and was able to conquer the play action boot leg and his footwork was pretty good as the season wore on. So I can't say NO WAY but right now I'm at the stage of "Show me"
But this is the number one thing we need to see DA improve on. This also goes along with everytime he had to move laterally he was highly inaccurate. A good QB even with an excellent OL will have to move lateral to by pass a rush...again footwork to square the shoulders properly and increase accuracy.
JMHO - btw...BQ has excellent footwork.
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I can see how the QB situation can be viewed as a positive...two capable QBs in case of an unfortunate circumstance...and hell, Savage himself has done nothing but talk about how positive it is He's convinced everyone that it's positive. Quinn, by all accounts, is handling everything like a real leader. All is hunky dory in Browns Town right now.
Just to add my .02 here. I'm not singling you out Rish, it's just that you make points that best suit my desire to spout off.
Everything is hunky dory in Browns Town right now, that's what I think many fail to realize. There has been no indication by DA, BQ, BE, J-Lew or any other player that it's nothing but. It's not just Savage, everyone has conducted themselves professionally and optimistically regarding this situation. Savage has stated that it was a consensus to hang on to DA. Savage, the QBs and RAC have all stated in different ways that they support the situation and feel it is a very good situation to be in. I don't see any waffling by RAC, I don't see DA looking over his shoulder and I don't see BQ angling to take the starting job away any sooner than fits team needs. IMO, the only thing that isn't hunky dory is the media's need, along with some fans to promote controversy where none exists.
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But what I fear is that if DA starts struggling, the media and fan pressure to put Quinn in is going to be enormous. Kind of goes back to the saying 'when you have 2 QBs, you have none'. I can see a situation where it becomes a very dysfunctional environment and the pressure becomes so much, that the FO makes a decision they don't yet want to make. Changing QBs midstream - not due to injury - can be a step back for a team. There could be a divided lockerroom. There could be growing pains with a new QB taking over. I think there are a lot of things that could go wrong when the fanbase and media know that the potential future QB is on the bench, and they want to see him now.
There's no reason to think that DA will start struggling at any point. Will he have bad days or make bad throws or decisions? You can guaran-damn-tee it. (Every QB does, ask Tom Brady how the last game he played went,) but DA has very good skills, makes decent decisions and shows incredible poise under pressure. In fact the hallmark of last season was the come-from-behind victory. DA's poise, ability and decision making, (along with play calling and talented receivers,) were directly responsible for the teams ability to execute game winning drives. This year, with more weapons at his disposal, another year under the system, an off-season spent working on short comings, another year under Chud's belt and an improved D, the likelihood of DA improving rather than regressing is highly likely. There is no reason to believe that this will be anything other than a continuation of his development.
I also don't see RAC folding under any pressure by the fans and media, he is stoic in his approach and only makes wholesale change when it is in the best interest of the team as a whole. I think I can safely say that he will never kowtow to pressure based on popular sentiment, and will maintain steadiness, focus and harmony within the locker room and on the field regardless of what fans and media say or print. I do not see RAC changing QBs in midstream for any reason other than injury, unless he fails to perform consistently over a course of time. I believe that in our particular and unique case, having two QBs simply means that we have two (potentially in BQs case) starting calibre QBs. And hey, that is a good thing, as has been stated several times, 64 (I believe the number is) quarterbacks started last year.
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This is definitely a 'glass half empty' point of view. I'm not much of an optimist, I guess. Or at least not with this situation. The longer it goes on, the more worried I get.
And you're not the only one, but I see this as symptomatic of all the unnecessary hand-wringing going on based on nothing other than media/fan hype, a desire to see BQ start, or comparisons to situations where the stability and poise shown by the players and organization were lacking or nonexistent.
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he showed it last year in OTA's and he continued to show it during the season as well as the Pro-Bowl.
He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that game.
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Agreed. I thought it was funny during the pro bowl when the announcers were saying that DA would grip the offense they were running the best out of the other QB's on the roster since he was familiar with the schemes but when it came to playing he sucked major, major ass.
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One HUGE MISTAKE most of the apologists make in their assesments is much like the one that Peenie and Cal are making ...
They say it is DA's to lose based PRETTY MUCH SOLELY ON WHAT HE DOES .... well thats just NOT TRUE .... they dismiss BQ as a role player and pretty much a non -entity in thsi entire thing .. and thats a BAD BAD ASSumption ...
BQ will be a much different BQ than he was last year .. and the boy has some SERIOUS ASS SKILLS .... he's going to be alot more than a prop in this thing EVEN IF DA DOES PLAY WELL .... he will be a LARGE PART IN HOW HIGH THE BAR IS SET FOR DA'S PERFORMANCE ...
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Cal, a lot of good points.
If you've read me over the last several months, I am in DA's corner, but most importantly I'm in the Browns corner. I just want what's best for the team.
And the more I think about it, the more the '2-headed QB' situation worries me. One thing you cannot discount is that we are entering unchartered waters for this team and this staff. The expectations have never been higher, and the schedule has never been tougher. What if we stumble out of the gate at 0-2? How will the players and more importantly, the coaches react? RAC is a 'steady Eddy', but he's never had this pressure before. Ever.
What's going to happen to DA's psyche when everytime he makes a mistakes, the dumbass fans start chanting Quinn's name?
I'm just chewing on this, and the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. I like DA, and I like Quinn, but I wish we had an established starter in place. Someone who is the unquestioned leader of the team even when they are playing poorly. We both know that the fans and media will do everything in their power to get Quinn in there if DA isn't playing well.
The only way I see this as a non-issue is if DA plays lights out right out of the gate. We have a tough schedule with two difficult opponents to open with, and that will be expecting a lot.
Like I said, I am firmly in the corner of what Savage did to keep DA. I like DA. I've praised him on this board. I've gone back and rewatched some of the games. Many of the fans made his bad games out to be much worse than they really were. But he does need to improve. If he is the starter opening day, he needs to take this team by the horns and not be the perceived cause of any losses. Or I feel it will get ugly.
This is just another angle to consider, but I believe it to be a plausible one. Many probably won't agree with me, but I can't shake the feeling that what appears to be a very good QB position to have could somehow bite us in the butt.
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What's going to happen to DA's psyche when everytime he makes a mistakes, the dumbass fans start chanting Quinn's name?
If that happens DA will have the last *L* .... he very well could have the "dumbass Quinn fans" horse before halftime of the Cowboy game ...
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What's going to happen to DA's psyche when everytime he makes a mistakes, the dumbass fans start chanting Quinn's name?
If that happens DA will have the last *L* .... he very well could have the "dumbass Quinn fans" horse before halftime of the Cowboy game ...
I don't think fans of Quinn are dumbasses. I'm a Quinn fan, and I certainly wouldn't call myself a dumbass. 
But fans are emotional lightning rods. Many are already against DA and clamoring for Quinn. If DA is the starter coming out of camp, I think he should get a fair shake before we make a change. If the fans are clamoring for Quinn in Game 1, that's not a fair shake.
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I kinda agree w/you. I agree that the fans and media are going to make this ugly. I have been saying it for months. Look at this dumb-ass article. Lots of facts are left out, but the author has a mysterious feeling. And the fans soak it up.  Look at the comment about BQ looking good w/the scout team. One poster comments that RAC is sage and wise.  But, I guess RAC isn't sage and wise when he said that DA was the starter. And he wasn't sage and wise when he was praising DA up and down. The fans and media are not going to be fair. Hell, there are some on here who still blame DA for the Browns not making the playoffs. Nevermind that our offense was 8th overall and our defense was 30th. Man, it is so ridiculous that it is actually funny. Especially when they argue the point like they are serious. Even more preposterous is who in God's name other than a few homer fans thought the Browns would even sniff the playoffs. Vegas--the real experts--thought we would win 5.5 games. Most guys who report on such things for a living had us winning anywhere from 3 to 6 games. Several claimed we were the worst team in the league. We made ONE major change after those predictions. We inserted DA for Charlie. We went 10 and 5 w/DA as the starter. That is twice as many wins as losses for those who mathematically challenged. Yet, all I hear is about how terrible DA was and about our losses. In terms of expectations, we had a great season. I am NOT saying that we had a great season because of DA.......but I am saying that he was a big part of it. I am saying that he is a young and inexperienced QB and that he has a ton of room for growth. I am saying that all QBs make mistakes and young ones make even more. And I saying it is malicious, unfair, and decidedly wrong to keep bad-mouthing and questioning this guy to the extent that many on here do! Leave the kid alone and let him do his job. Trust the Brown's [Phil, RAC, Chud, and Rip] to make the right decision. Quit making up like he can't handle pressure. Jesus, how lame was that comment? People say they want what is best for the Browns, but yet they are trying to divide the team.........because they just KNOW that the better QB is on the bench. I CALL BS! You don't know squat.....at least in comparison to the Brown's brain trust. And there is NO WAY in the world that the brain trust wants DA to win the battle. They invested heavily in BQ, and if it is close, he will get the nod. DA is getting the nod now because he has been better than BQ. Period. This stupid controversy, fueled only by the fans and media, will hurt this team. They will have plenty of chances to complain. You see.............ALL QBs MAKE MISTAKES! Let me say it again. ALL QBs MAKE MISTAKES! And young QBs such as DA, make even more mistakes. Therefore, they will have plenty of ammunition. Just like last year, they'll ignore all the good and focus in on the bad. I wonder if they ever watch other teams? Do they not see great catches being made? Do they not see inaccurate throws? Do they not see bad decisions? All QBs do these things. But, our fans, choose to focus in on DAs mistakes, as if he is one of the few QBs who makes these mistakes, and even more incredibly, infer that BQ would not make the same mistakes. And they ignore all the good DA does w/brilliant comments such as--- any qb could look good w/our great OL and skilled players. True genius!  This should be an exciting season w/lots of thrills and ups and downs. It should be a year of growth for a young and talented team. It should not have the expectations of making the playoffs, but it should be one of a team learning to play w/the big boys week in and week out. It should be a year in which will prove to be very important to our future and still be exciting in and of itself. I think the { * } will instead make this a season of bickering and cruelty. And I think they will hurt this team! * May I use Brady's Brats again, since those who want to give DA a fighting chance are now called the "apologists," or is the BQ side the only one allowed to hang nicknames on people?
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BQ will be a much different BQ than he was last year .. and the boy has some SERIOUS ASS SKILLS .... he's going to be alot more than a prop in this thing EVEN IF DA DOES PLAY WELL .... he will be a LARGE PART IN HOW HIGH THE BAR IS SET FOR DA'S PERFORMANCE ..
I don't dismiss that at all, so don't act like you know what I am thinking....
Once it happens, you are correct, BQ can be the one pushing the bar, and if he pushes it past the point of DAs skills, the switch will be near.
But all of that is determined in practice, not on a message board.
One other factor that you and others need to consider....much of that pushing needs to take place in camp..it won't happen in practice once the season starts.
That isn't to say Quinn won't or can't take over once the season starts, but that will result more from poor team performance in the wins and loss column then from any pushing Quinn might continue to make.
You just don't start changing qbs mid stream if everything is going well. You know that too.
If DA keeps the job out of camp, and then the team has a good season, there is a real possibility Quinn never plays for the Browns.
I won't venture to say what the odds of that happening might be, but they are a heck of a lot higher then they were the day we drafted Brady.
And for the record, I don't really care which qb finally lands the job once and for all because I think both can be good and trust the team will make the best decision it can.
I guess one other point to consider.
Let's say BQ wins out of camp, and I don't consider that anywhere close to impossible....it is probably somewhere around 50/50.
If he does, and we falter, how soon do we pull the plug on him and go with DA?? As fast as people would call for the plug to be pulled on Anderson if he falters??
I say probably not. But using that as the benchmark, that is why I think DA has the leg up heading out of camp. It will be easier to pull the rug from under him then it will be BQ.
So, for those reasons, that is why I think DA has the best shot of being the long term qb of the Browns because I don't think we are going to falter.
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What happens if DA tanks the cowboys game and then Savage trades Anderson after week 1... lol....
A lot of what ifs....
Only time will tell... Can't wait for week one...
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Look at this dumb-ass article. Lots of facts are left out, but the author has a mysterious feeling. And the fans soak it up.
The author of the "dumb-ass article" said nothing about having any mysterious feeling. You made that up.
The ACTUAL words that he used are that BQ inspires a growing curiosity.....and that is dead nuts on the money. This is EXACTLY what is happening. People want to KNOW what he has to offer. They WANT to see great play from the QB position and they don't give a damn if the guy is named Quinn or Anderson. It's like being a kid on Christmas eve for some folks.....having that one present under the tree that you've lifted and shook and tried and tried to guess what it was but still have no idea for sure if it's something good or just a 6 pack pair of tube socks.......
As has been said many a time, if there are any that think DA is solely responsible for the Cincy loss and missing the playoffs, they are in the VAST minority. I see YOU mention it more than I have EVER seen anyone else state it.
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LOL............a inspires a growing curiosity is mysterious. And do you really wanna compare what's "made up" in this thread? And you haven't been reading enough if you think I am the only one talking about missing the playoffs. One more thing......what about the labels? Is it only okay for the BQ side to use them, or not?
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
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Inspires a growing curiosity is not a mysterious feeling...... I read plenty.....it's a minority that has spoken what you speak of.
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Actually, it is. And this --- --- does little to change things. 
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
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Let's say BQ wins out of camp, and I don't consider that anywhere close to impossible....it is probably somewhere around 50/50.
If he does, and we falter, how soon do we pull the plug on him and go with DA?? As fast as people would call for the plug to be pulled on Anderson if he falters??
Another reason I wish we had an established starter in place. It works in both directions and can be disruptive to the team.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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I see your tactics have not changed - you will not goad me into a suspension.
But thanks for the football reply...you figure a career HS asst. coach could apply a little more football in a response if they disagree. Instead of insults - why not bring the football knowledge. But then I forgot, you don't like to debate and you are an expert on QB's after all you were a self professed college scout for QBs
You don't have a clue do you...I know, I know...its that darn wind that creates 50% accuracy within 10 yards lol... Otay!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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"He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that game."
If you re-read what I wrote - I was talking about DA in practice...OTA's are practice...all throughout the season in practice...even in the Pro-Bowl "practices" he garnished raves from Norv.
JMHMiscommunication I guess.
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Let's say BQ wins out of camp, and I don't consider that anywhere close to impossible....it is probably somewhere around 50/50.
If he does, and we falter, how soon do we pull the plug on him and go with DA?? As fast as people would call for the plug to be pulled on Anderson if he falters??
Another reason I wish we had an established starter in place. It works in both directions and can be disruptive to the team.
our starter is anderson.... regardless of what quinn does in camp...
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Vegas--the real experts--thought we would win 5.5 games.
What the hell do they know. You can't win a half of a game! 
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We made ONE major change after those predictions. We inserted DA for Charlie. We went 10 and 5 w/DA as the starter. That is twice as many wins as losses for those who mathematically challenged. Yet, all I hear is about how terrible DA was and about our losses. In terms of expectations, we had a great season.
Are you really hearing about how terrible he is? Or are you hearing people pointing out flaws in his game and voicing concerns? I have been one of the guys in these arguments here, and I personally haven't said he was terrible. You always talk about posters twisting things around to their benefit when arguing a point, but you're quite good at is as well.
Because a guy brings up a concern with Derek, it doesn't mean they think he's terrible. That's the whole problem with this debate. People stick to their guns, and do whatever to attack the otherside to make their POV look better.
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Leave the kid alone and let him do his job. Trust the Brown's [Phil, RAC, Chud, and Rip] to make the right decision. Quit making up like he can't handle pressure. Jesus, how lame was that comment? People say they want what is best for the Browns, but yet they are trying to divide the team.........because they just KNOW that the better QB is on the bench..............
..................This stupid controversy, fueled only by the fans and media, will hurt this team.
There's nothing wrong with discussing it. The debate is inevitable. When you have a first round drafted QB waiting in the wings, there's going to be talk, and you're not going to stop it. One guy on a message board isn't going to stop the media from discussing it. I understand what you're saying, but if the braintrust and DA can handle it all like you said, then there's no reason for concern from you, right?
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* May I use Brady's Brats again, since those who want to give DA a fighting chance are now called the "apologists," or is the BQ side the only one allowed to hang nicknames on people?
Whatever I guess. It's sad that people gotta throw out names around the board. I hate labels. Except bandwagoners. I use bandwagoners because there's a lot of them out there.
I think you're grouping everyone who criticizes anything dealing with DA as a "DA hater" or pro Quinn (not exactly in those words ).
I really don't hate the guy. Like I've said a hundred times, I have concerns, and all I want is the right guy on the field. And before you even say another word, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WHO THE RIGHT GUY IS.
I simply am saying I want to see the right guy get the nod. Is it DA? Is it Brady? I don't know. I know what I've seen in limited time with Quinn and can only use that in comparison to the larger body of work with DA. I'm very excited for this season and can't wait for camps to start. It's a good time to be a fan in Cleveland, for many reasons. Let's just hope our team stays healthy and we build on the success of last year.
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May I use Brady's Brats again, since those who want to give DA a fighting chance are now called the "apologists,"
as far as I'm concerned U can .... well as long as I am the president of it ..
I take it as a compliment that means I know that BQ will be A MUCH MUCH BETTER QB and that what DA achieved had alot more to do with the PERFECT STORM surronding him than his obviously lacking in certain areas skill set ... in case your wondering that would be DECISION MAKING/BRAINS, ACCURACY and MOBILITY ....
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"He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that game."
If you re-read what I wrote - I was talking about DA in practice...OTA's are practice...all throughout the season in practice...even in the Pro-Bowl "practices" he garnished raves from Norv.
JMHMiscommunication I guess.
Gotcha. My bad, eo.
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May I use Brady's Brats again, since those who want to give DA a fighting chance are now called the "apologists,"
as far as I'm concerned U can .... well as long as I am the president of it ..
LOL, thanks bro. But, I doubt the refs would concur. It really does matter which side of the argument you're on.
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Just in general...why do people have to take sides?
Quite frankly I hope Anderson becomes a top 5 QB...I'm just not sure it will happen.
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Do you really think I care which QB wins the job? *L*
If not, ask yourself why I am on the "side" I am.
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Just in general...why do people have to take sides?
Quite frankly I hope Anderson becomes a top 5 QB...I'm just not sure it will happen.
I stopped taking sides after they traded Frye.. I was behind him 200%. And then look what happened.. lol...
Anderson or Quinn... Just win the AFC North, Beat the Steelers, and Play Hard in the Playoffs!!!
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people take 'sides" because they have opinions ... this thing gets blown way out of proportion .. I do not think theres one poster on this board that would rather be right than have the browns in the best position possible ... I think BQ is going to be a GREAT QB in this league .. I also believe that DA is not that good ... won't get into why here ... its just how i feel ... BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT ... I would love to have him PROVE ME WRONG ... i would LOVE IT .... and I do not believe there is a poster that is on BQ's side that does not want that ... same with folks that stick up for DA ... they want him and BQ to do GREAT ... cause that is what puts the BROWNS IN THE BEST POSSIBLE POSITION ... problem is when u DEFEND your OPINION it makes U appear that U like one and dislike the other ... the banter is set up in such a way that that is how it appears .. when it is not near the truth ... Pitt/myself .. none of us don't want DA to succeed .. my DREAM SCENARIO .... DA studs out this year .... we then trade him to an NFC team for a #1 and then he and BQ face each other in Pro Bowls for the next decade while BQ is leading us to 3 or 4 or 5 SB wins ... but if BQ leaves and DA gets us just one SB .. i will BE THRILLED .... and i HIGHLY DOUBT theres a poster that would not take either of those scenarios with the names as they are or reversed ... unfortunatly on here and the way the discussion is set up ... its set up for 'sides" .... The Brats vs the Apologists ... pick one and HAVE FUN WITH IT ... your an Apologist cause as the president of the Brats .. we won't take u ...
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