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As far as I'm concerned, the minute the "job" wasn't getting done by those that were contractually responsible for doing it, the contract became void.
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If anything, the city should be billed for a job NOT DONE by those that did the job.
I grew up in a union family. My father worked in the steel mill. He made great money. He worked his butt off. He also got 13 weeks paid vacation every few years! Now as a kid, I loved this as I got to spend time with my dad. As a grown up, I understand why this country lost these jobs and industries. How can anyone think that paying someone for 13 weeks for no production is a good thing? Companies were stupid and made bad deals with the unions who were also stupid and killed their golden geese.
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I agree that companies and unions made bad deals - on both ends, but my problem is when companies are struggling they try to make the workers take the paycut when CEO's make $30 Million in SALARY ALONE. That doesn't include benefits & perks.
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It's the fault of the city, not the union.
Please note what the City Law Director himself said in the article.
WOW!! Shep and I agree on something  If the city had hired the correct amount of people or had allowed the workers they had to wok OT it would not have been a issue. If the crews are not working efficently then management is at fault.
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Well maybe instead of having 1 guy in the backhoe, and 6 watching him, 4 flagmen, 2 guys sitting in the truck, and 3 more leaning on shovels. They could send a couple guys down to clean up the area.
Every city, every state I have ever been in and passed road crews, I see about 2 out of 10 actually doing something. The rest are standing around.
I think cities should not have labor crews, and hire private sector to fill the needs. Private companies are concerned about costs, and efficiency. They will get rid of the lazy no good workers, and fill the vacant jobs with people who want to work. The city doesn't care, it's tax payer money, there's no benefit to them to save. When they reach the end of the budget year, they often start blowing money so that that departments budget doesn't get cut the following year when they see they didn't use up their alloted amount.
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Well maybe instead of having 1 guy in the backhoe, and 6 watching him, 4 flagmen, 2 guys sitting in the truck, and 3 more leaning on shovels. They could send a couple guys down to clean up the area.
Don't use logic,, some folks will never understand that thinking 
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I grew up in a union family. My father worked in the steel mill. He made great money. He worked his butt off. He also got 13 weeks paid vacation every few years! Now as a kid, I loved this as I got to spend time with my dad. As a grown up, I understand why this country lost these jobs and industries. How can anyone think that paying someone for 13 weeks for no production is a good thing? Companies were stupid and made bad deals with the unions who were also stupid and killed their golden geese.
You are right I Rogue, that is why so much has changed(except for at the big automakers). Those rdiculous contracts just done exist anymore. I was a member of the Steelworkers union for alomost nine years and was involved with many seminars and training classes(including contract negotiation) as a union rep and also as a delegate to the AFL-CIO. The contracts are much more reasonable and fair now. There was a time when the economy of the US was so strong that the companies didnt care, they were making so much money they would give the unions whatever they wanted and of course the unions took everything they could get. Times have changed and the unions and the companies ave had to change also to work in todays world.
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I've seen that "logic". That's why now you see a van full of "illegals" doing the job at cheap wages instead of Americans supporting a family. Such "logic" is what is destroying our country economicly. Yes, in many cases city and government employees do waste money by using "more people than necassary" in many cases. But the reason "why" is not as simplistic as you may believe. Do you know how many cities have been sued by "not having enough flag men" and an accident happens? Did you realse that OSHA itself often dictates you have a safety man and a certain number of people for different situations? Can you imagine how much such law suits would INCREASE if we used the private sector in such situations? Let me tell you from experience. Private business puts regulations and OSHA "last" any time they feel they can get away with it. Which happens to be quite often. So it's pretty much like the medical situation. Regulations and law suits dictate much of this. But let's ignore that and blame others instead. 
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Well maybe instead of having 1 guy in the backhoe, and 6 watching him, 4 flagmen, 2 guys sitting in the truck, and 3 more leaning on shovels. They could send a couple guys down to clean up the area.
Don't use logic,, some folks will never understand that thinking
Now quote his whole statement, the part where he blames the city for not giving a shoot. The bureacracy is what allows this to happen and it happens at all levels, not just union workers. So once again whos fault is this?? I would say the poor government. Go to a well managed union shop(like I said , not the Automakers ) and try to find this crap going on, you wont(for the most part). Our government continues to waste our tax dollars, at all levels, but you want to blame the guy making $14 a hour. How about blaming the incompetent manager who is making $150,000 a year to sit his incompetent behind in a air conditioned government office making bad decision after bad decision. It should be easy to find a good target, our city government (Cleveland's)is full of them.
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Well maybe instead of having 1 guy in the backhoe, and 6 watching him, 4 flagmen, 2 guys sitting in the truck, and 3 more leaning on shovels. They could send a couple guys down to clean up the area.
Don't use logic,, some folks will never understand that thinking
Now quote his whole statement, the part where he blames the city for not giving a shoot. The bureacracy is what allows this to happen and it happens at all levels, not just union workers. So once again whos fault is this?? I would say the poor government. Go to a well managed union shop(like I said , not the Automakers ) and try to find this crap going on, you wont(for the most part). Our government continues to waste our tax dollars, at all levels, but you want to blame the guy making $14 a hour. How about blaming the incompetent manager who is making $150,000 a year to sit his incompetent behind in a air conditioned government office making bad decision after bad decision. It should be easy to find a good target, our city government (Cleveland's)is full of them.
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I don't know if that was an endorsement for my comments, or a bash. 
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Well maybe instead of having 1 guy in the backhoe, and 6 watching him, 4 flagmen, 2 guys sitting in the truck, and 3 more leaning on shovels. They could send a couple guys down to clean up the area.
Don't use logic,, some folks will never understand that thinking
Now quote his whole statement, the part where he blames the city for not giving a shoot. The bureacracy is what allows this to happen and it happens at all levels, not just union workers. So once again whos fault is this?? I would say the poor government. Go to a well managed union shop(like I said , not the Automakers ) and try to find this crap going on, you wont(for the most part). Our government continues to waste our tax dollars, at all levels, but you want to blame the guy making $14 a hour. How about blaming the incompetent manager who is making $150,000 a year to sit his incompetent behind in a air conditioned government office making bad decision after bad decision. It should be easy to find a good target, our city government (Cleveland's)is full of them.
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I don't know if that was an endorsement for my comments, or a bash.
It was an endorsement because you said the same thing I have been saying all along 
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