DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Rosenhaus says Winslow WILL attend mini-camp

It isn't, nor is it true.

Let me guess...ya both are lawyers??? Daman n Ballpeen.
j/k irrelevant

Actually true/false its just an opinion that really can't be proven in either direction. But don't underestimate Rosenhaus. He's very good at what he does...and calling the shots is definitely his MO.

JMHO - if it remains...we will have to pay a heck of a lot...and if not done sooner rather than later it can grow to be beyond uncomfortable and possibly beyond annoying. It could be our first cancer...I always thought BE would be the one to first break the Honeymoon but instead it appears to be KW2...he's not going to even be sniffed at in a contract until after this season. At least all indications by Savage point that way.

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Let me guess...ya both are lawyers??? Daman n Ballpeen.

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Actually, I think Peen is a lawyer,, I'm not, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night

But I'm not sure what being a lawyer has to do with it Eo..

Your statement about KW now working for Rosenhaus makes it sound simple, and I just isn't. And as Peen pointed out, it's not accurate either.. But it's your opinion and that's dandy by me...

Actually, it is pretty close. When a new agent is hired, he isn't being paid for the contract the player is currently under. The only way he makes anything is to renogotiate the existing contract. It isn't as simple as KW2 is working for Rosenhaus, but it is as simple as Rosenhaus convinced KW2 to go for a new contract so he could get paid.

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Actually, it is pretty close. When a new agent is hired, he isn't being paid for the contract the player is currently under.

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By legal defination, it's not even close. Rosenhaus may not get paid on the current contract, but at some point, when KW2 gets a new contract, either here or some other team if it should come to that, he will get paid.

In the meantime, having high profile clients like KW and TO and others offers Rosenhaus a level of credibility when he tries to attract other clients. if nothing else, that's the pay off.

By the way, Eo even admits it's just his opinion...

You are taking Eo's words way to literal. Of course Winslow has the final say, and Rosenhaus does what Winslow wants.

The thing is, he (just like every pro athlete) hire an agent to do the best that they can. The agent is the one that is suppose to know. Everyone knows Rosenhaus's rep., and go to him for that very reason. They do what Rosenhaus says, because that is how they will get paid. Winslow knew what Rosenhaus plans for him were before he signed up. I think it is naive to think Winslow would go against what Rosenhaus tells him.

I'm pretty sure that eo wasn't talking legally, just metaphorically. You know that and are too good a poster to not see that.

Truth be told , if KW2 had any plans to holdout , he would have been talking up a storm.
That was nipped in the bud with the statements made by his agent.
Now one can be led to believe KW2 had somthing to do with the statement coming out . Something like KW saying , hey Drew I know we want to get the team talking about re-upping before the end of my contract, but we don't want to rock the boat now , I'm not going to hold out and you need to let the Browns and the fans know that.

The Browns would be easy to tell , youtube is for the fans.

This seems to being played out exactly the way one would want.
KW is letting the club know he will not be satisfied by playing out this contract.
The club is letting KW know they will talk , but it isn't going to happen this year.
KW says ok, just keep me in mind, let's discuss where we need to be, let's see how the season plays out and let't get serious next year.

We can make what we want to out of it , to fill up our dead time , but this seems to be whats going to happen. JMHO

Yeah, I knew, but I didn't think you did....

Geez,, not you too,, YES, I knew that it was JUST Eo's opinion,,, I said so,, what's the problem here

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BUT don't you think this could also be a disadvantage for Drew??

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If I were a pro athelete,, I'd run away from a guy like Rosenhaus.. I wouldn't let him in my home to talk to me even.

My reasoning is rooted in the belief that not all public attention is good attention. Whereas, I think that Rosenhaus subscribes to the opposite approach.

So for people that think like me, I'd yes, it's a disadvantage.. a big one.

I negotiated three contracts (well, my agent did), so I know all about who works for who legally. I also know how is calling the shots.

Did you call the shots or did your agent...Just wondering

Well, honeslty, neither as I wasn't exactly in high demand and took pretty much what was given LOL. Seriously, I of course made the final call. However, there was much influence and relying on the agent's advice. Never forget these men have an agent for a reason. I know I wasn't knoweldgeable enough to have understood the process without one and would have been at the mercy of the team. You have to rely on your agents advice on so many things that it's not uncommon (or probably unnatural) to really go with his his advice. It may be a poor analogy, but in some ways it's no different than an accused going to trial. You, as the defendant, have the final call, but you really go with the advice of the defense attorney. He's been there and (supposedly) knows the best course of action.