DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Time for Tribe to start listening to trade offers?

Didn't we just hear the same thing about the Western conference in the NBA? Then before that it was no team in the NFC is going to beat the team from the AFC.

Even if we were in first we would need to listen to offers.

In a uncapped game, we don't stand a chance of signing CC unless he just feels like it when you have the New York's and LA's of the world.

I would have had him traded LAST off-season.

Who knows, maybe we wouldn't be as far out as we are now.

The closer you get to his contract expiring, the less you get.

Actually, FWIW, the Cleveland market is still substantially larger than Milwaukee media-wise. The last Nielsen ratings I saw had Cleveland at 1.5 million homes (17th largest market in the US). Milwaukee came in at around 883K homes (34th largest market in the US).

Yep you are right,

You guys need to trade Nap Lajoie for hugh Duffy

It would be great if we could get someone like the Brewer's LF Matt Laporta and some other great prospects for CC while all at the same time trading Blake, Byrd, Borowski, and Dellucci for some CP, SS, or another power hitter.


I've also been hearing that by tomorrow or Friday it has been said there will be roster moves in store, so we'll see what happens.

This team blows.

I don't see us bouncing back next year either...this "loaded with young talent team" was a bunch of one year wonders.

I can't take anymore of this extra inning walk off crap by the Sox, damn.

i was in the other room when aj hit the home run, i was hoping it was borowski out there, so i can hate him more, but it wasn't, which has now totally ruined my night

Maybe we could trade joe blow for 10 maple bats! Oh who am I kidding id trade him for a bag of cheetos at this rate.

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What surprised me a little there was him not talking about the Brewers trading prospects but rather trading either Weeks or Hardy.

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Not a fan of either of those two. Maybe if Weeks could stay healthy.

IMHO we should do whatever it takes to keep Sabathia....The Dolans have always said that when the time came.....They would spend the $$....IMHO the time is now....IF Not , they should just pack up and go home....

IMO Daddy No-Bucks Dolan and Opie Shapiro had absolutely NO intentions of building on last year's success. We were ONE GAME away from going to the World Series and they failed to build on that success. Instead of going after the likes of Dan Haran or Miguel Tejada, we ended up with a Japanese import pitcher and a quote "utility infielder" who is our starting 2nd baseman? Now I am very much aware of all of the injuries we've had, but you mean to tell me that Opie and Dolan couldn't come up with a Plan B to keep the success of last year going? That would mean they would have to sacrifice and the brilliant front office wasn't going to do that. CC will be gone to the highest bidder by the end of this month...if they haven't signed him by now, they never will.

If anyone deserves the title of Opie, it is Shapiro, NOT Savage. At least Savage is doing his job the right way.

What I really can't believe this year is the Rays. I'm loving every second of their season right now because they are putting the Yanks and Red Sox in their places :-D. After last nights sweep of the Red Sox, they are now 3.5 games in first place w/ the best record in baseball.

I agree.

It's easy to cheer for the Rays, just because I absolutely hate Boston and NY. Would love to see the little guy stick it to the Sox and Yanks.

Plus, with the way Chicago and Minnesota are playing an MLB playoffs without Boston or New York is a possibility.

As for the Tribe, we should probably just have a firesale on all moveable pieces. I would keep Lee, Carmona, Laffey, Sizemore and Martinez but would listen to offers for anyone else. Bring up all AAA big league prospects, let them play and see who does or does not fit in to our future plans.

As of today we have the 5th worst record in baseball. Truthfully, I wouldn't mind staying in the top 5 (or moving up). It would really allow us to restock our farm system.....especially when you consider the DP's we'll get in return for C.C. if we don't find a trading partner. We could have 4 picks in the top 30-40 selections. I hate playing for the draft but with how depleted our farm system is of major league position players, it may be what we need.

Where might we be if we had kept Manny for all the years he has been in Boston?

Just to add on to the discussion....While I love Cleveland because my friends, family, and sports teams are there, i can truly say it is a dump of a city and comparatively speaking, Milwaukee blows it out of the water.

Suburbs are close, but a slight edge to Cleveland.

This should get some great replies

Sabathia deal is possible
By Tom Haudricourt
Thursday, Jul 3 2008, 07:43 PM
Phoenix - The C.C. Sabathia rumors might turn out to be more than rumors.

As the Brewers continued to scout Sabathia in his outing for Cleveland against Chicago on Wednesday night, word came out of Brevard County that the Indians were looking at specific Milwaukee minor leaguers.

Brewers general manager Doug Melvin confirmed today that special Dick Groch was in Chicago to monitor Sabathia's outing against the White Sox.

"We've seen him pitch a couple of times," said Melvin, who declined to elaborate on any interest he has in the reigning American League Cy Young Award winner. "We look at a lot of guys."

The Indians reportedly had scouts looking at Class A Brevard County third baseman Taylor Green, the Brewers' minor league player of the year in 2007. Cleveland is believed to be taking a close look at the Brewers' prospect-laden Class AA Huntsville club, also.

Green, 21, was hitting .296 at Brevard with nine home runs and 48 RBI in 77 games, with a .380 on-base percentage. Last year at Class A West Virginia, Green batted .327 with 14 home runs and 86 RBI.

If the Brewers are willing to deal Green in a trade for Sabathia, it is unlikely they also would part with Mat Gamel, who is having a sensational offensive year (.382, 31 doubles, 15 homers, 75 RBI in 83 games) at Huntsville. Gamel and Green are considered the top third-base prospects in the Brewers' system and they probably wouldn't part with both.

The Brewers wouldn't want to part with top prospect Matt LaPorta, either, but have several other highly regarded outfielders in their system, such as Brevard County's Lorenzo Cain and Darren Ford, and Huntsville's Cole Gillespie and Michael Brantley.

Asked about Cleveland having interest in specific players in his system, Melvin said, "I can't comment on that. There's probably a lot of clubs looking at our guys."

Because Cleveland has fallen into last place in the AL Central and has been unable to sign Sabathia, a free agent-to-be, the Indians are expected to deal him before the July 31 non-waiver deadline. Any team trading for the 27-year-old lefty could lose him to free agency after the season.

That wouldn't stop the Brewers from dealing for Sabathia, however. Melvin sent three pitching prospects to San Diego last July for reliever Scott Linebrink, who left via free agency after the season. Linebrink didn't help the Brewers make the playoffs, going 2-3 with a 3.55 ERA in 27 appearances but Melvin said he didn't regret the trade.

"I think people got down on him," said Melvin. "He's the best set-up guy in (the AL) right now (with Chicago). You still make the deal. We got two draft picks for him."

Sabathia didn't pitch particularly well Wednesday against the White Sox, allowing seven hits and five runs (four earned) in eight innings. Prior to that, however, he logged at least 10 strikeouts in three consecutive starts.

The victim of poor run support at times, Sabathia is 6-8 with a 3.83 ERA in 18 starts, with three complete games and two shutouts. He leads the AL with 123 strikeouts in 122 1/3 innings, while issuing only 34 walks.

Sabathia went 19-7 with a 3.21 ERA last season en route to Cy Young honors, with 37 walks and 209 strikeouts in 34 starts.

Because a starting pitcher works only every five days, the sooner a team trades for him, the more work it gets. Any deal made prior to July 31 can be done without requiring waivers on the players.

For more on this development, read my story in the JS in the morning.



I know it doesn't mean a whole lot. The fact that they are scouting the Brewers AA team means that they are talking but we already knew that didn't we.

they need to get two guys in aa ball, a 3rd baseman and a pitcher/corner outfielder. . If shipiro could do that I would be happy.

Yeah...It's time...It was time from the day Sabs didn't sign our offer in the spring...

He's goin' for the big buck 100 M deal after this season and it won't be here...It's just the nature of the business...We will not carry a 20M a year player on this roster...Not this year...Not next year...NEVER...Pretty obvious when the Thome's and Manny's of the world go elsewhere...Sab's is no different...

I have zero problem with letting Sab's go...We're pretty stacked with pitching...And it's what SHOULD HAVE brought us a ring last year...The day we were up 3-1 on Boston with Sabbathia and Carmona coming up back to back and we LOSE THE SERIES is the day I said TRADE Sab's next summer after he refuses our offer...There is NO EXCUSE for losing that series...

Carmona is our new ACE...

Besides a Closer...What we need even with Martinez and Hafner back is a BIG BAT...I'd go for a PROVEN BIG BAT and a top prospect for Sab's...This is the reigning Cy Young winner and this SHOULD rate as a blockbuster deal...NOT a bunch of SCHMUCKS we have no clue whether they pan out or not...

This trade is gonna dictate our success the next 3 years...We BEST GET THIS RIGHT...

And we BEST TRADE SABBATHIA...For ALOT...

When u have guys like Francisco/Peralta/Delluci and Garko hitting 3rd or 5th...U GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM...

Include Garko in any deal if need be cause he bites...One of the worst swings I've ever seen...

We just can't put up any runs and it ain't Sizemore's fault...

It gets a lil' tiring seeing a Lee throw 8 innings of 1 run ball and we LOSE...

Agreed !....I totally understand ....IF You Want To Play You Have To Pay....When a player spends 10 years here and becomes a Cy Young winner IMHO , My Owner should have the $$ ability to step up and pay the man & have personal desire to spend the $$....IF not cut your loses and get out of the game....

If CC refuses the best offer we gave him...cut your losses and accept the best offer you can get for him.

This organization needs an infusion of fresh blood at all none pitching positions...all of them except for CF.

3 future full time position players will reinvigorate the team and boost the confidence of the pitching staff.

Make the best deal as soon as possible and be done with it.

If this deal is really on the table I expect CC to be pitching in Milwaukee by next week. Getting LaPorta and Green would be a really good pickup for a 2 month rental. JMO

Tom Hardicourt is a writer for the Milwaukee Journal that follows the Brewers so I guess this is about as reliable as anything we hear from Mary Kay


Brewers still pursuing Sabathia
By Tom Haudricourt
Friday, Jul 4 2008, 10:59 PM
I just talked with Brewers general manager Doug Melvin, who confirmed that he remains in pursuit of Cleveland left-hander C.C. Sabathia. But Melvin said he has no deal in place and his understanding is that the Indians are still entertaining offers from other clubs.

If the Brewers' latest offer is accepted, it's my understanding that it would include top prospect Matt LaPorta, minor-league third baseman Taylor Green and probably another prospect, perhaps outfielder Lorenzo Cain.

"Cleveland is in control of this, not us," said Melvin, who wouldn't reveal the names of players he has on the table. "They told us they're talking to other clubs, too. You never know how these things are going to work out.

"I've talked to Cleveland. We've discussed players. They're trying to make the best deal they can. At least we've got players they're willing to discuss. But I don't anticipate anything happening in the next couple of days."

If the Brewers' offer is accepted, they will have corralled the top pitcher available on the trade market, which they believe could push them to their first playoff berth since 1982. To make it happen, they are willing to part with LaPorta, a first-round draft pick in 2007 considered one of the top sluggers in the minor leagues.

The Brewers were anxious eager to complete a deal to fend off other clubs in the hunt for Sabathia, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, and get him in a Milwaukee uniform as soon as possible.

Several other highly rated prospects have been discussed during negotiations, but the Brewers were thought to be willing to do the deal for LaPorta, Green and another prospect, perhaps Cain.

LaPorta is a marvelous talent who was batting .291 with 20 home runs and 66 RBI through 82 games at Class AA Huntsville. He previously was considered an untouchable, but the Brewers realized they would have to part with one of the top two offensive players in their system, LaPorta or third baseman Mat Gamel, to get Sabathia.

Sabathia, who will be 28 later in the month, was placed on the trade market after the Indians fell into last place in the AL Central and made no progress trying to sign him to a multi-year contract extension. Sabathia can be a free agent after the season and the Brewers have no illusions of keeping him beyond 2008.

For various reasons, the Brewers believe the window of opportunity is now to make the playoffs for the first time in 26 years, the second-longest current drought in the majors behind the Montreal Expos-turned-Washington Nationals.

The Brewers lost young right-hander Yovani Gallardo for the season with a knee injury on May 1, a devastating blow to their starting rotation.

With right-hander Ben Sheets headed for free agency after the season and the future of first baseman Prince Fielder uncertain, the Brewers aren't guaranteed of being in this position a year from now. That situation heightened the urgency to find an established starting pitcher who might put them over the top, and they immediately targeted Sabathia.

How many times does a reigning Cy Young Award winner go on the market? The Brewers were aware of that unique opportunity with Sabathia, whose 6-8 record is more the result of a lack of run support than poor pitching.

Sabathia has a 3.83 ERA in 18 starts and leads the AL with 123 strikeouts in 12261/3 innings. The Brewers have scouted his recent starts, including his outing Wednesday in Chicago.

Sabathia is scheduled to make his next start on Tuesday and the Brewers would like that to come in a Milwaukee uniform. Sabathia then could make another start the following Sunday before the all-star break.

Asked Friday about the possibility of trading Sabathia, Cleveland general manager Mark Shapiro would not tip his hand.

"C.C. is a guy we feel very strongly about," said Shapiro. "He's a special No. 1 starter, and until that changes, we're fortunate to have him here. We believe in him and enjoy watching him pitch every fifth day."

Didn't exactly shoot down the trade rumors, did he?

For more details and information on the Brewers' pursuit of Sabathia, check out my story in the JS in the morning.


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Glad to know we aren't living in la la land and think we can still make a run at the playoffs. This deal sounds reasonable and I would pull the trigger unless something better comes along.

From what I've read, their top prospects are Mat Gamel (3b), Alcides Escobar (SS), Angel Salome (C), and Matt LaPorta (RF). Any deal should include 2 of them and a major league reliever. Prospects from the Florida A League (Green, Cain) are like rolling dice.

Never mind......I read it too fast. Duh on me.