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Yeah, there's another CC thread going on, but it was started before he was traded. They started posting the info in there.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?

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CLEVELAND -- If the latest reports and rumblings are to be believed, C.C. Sabathia's next start will come Tuesday in a Brewers uniform.
Indians general manager Mark Shapiro confirmed Sunday that the Indians are in negotiations about a trade involving Sabathia.

"Obviously," Shapiro said, "we've made some progress."

Shapiro wouldn't confirm a rumor from a Major League source that the Indians and Brewers have completed a trade in which Sabathia, the reigning American League Cy Young Award winner, would be sent to Milwaukee for Double-A outfielder Matt LaPorta and two other prospects.

"It is definitively not a done deal," Shapiro said. "I won't comment on what point it's at or how far along [it is]."

But multiple reports claim the deal is indeed done and contingent on the completion of paperwork and the exchange of medical records. It appears Sabathia would be ready to make his first start in a Brewers uniform Tuesday against the Rockies, while the last-place Indians would likely call up veteran Jeff Weaver, freshly signed to a Minor League deal, from Triple-A Buffalo to round out their rotation.

LaPorta was out of the lineup for Double-A Huntsville's game Sunday, adding further evidence that he is involved in the trade.

Sabathia flew to Cleveland with the Indians following Sunday's 4-3 loss in Minnesota. But in a text message posted on ESPN.com, he wrote, "I'm good, excited. It's weird leaving these guys."

Sabathia had been dangled by the Indians to several teams in recent days. The Rays and Phillies were believed to be finalists in the C.C. sweepstakes, but the Indians were always intrigued by Milwaukee's depth.

The Brewers' Double-A Huntsville club has several prospects of interest to the Indians, including LaPorta, third baseman Mat Gamel, shortstop Alcides Escobar and catcher Angel Salome. The Indians have also reportedly had their eye on Class A third baseman Tyler Green and outfielder Lorenzo Cain.

The Indians opted not to make Sabathia available over the winter because they believed he was a key to their hopes of defending their AL Central title. But when the club suffered a three-game sweep at the hands of the first-place White Sox last week to fall into a double-digit deficit in the Central standings, Sabathia went on the market.

The Tribe's efforts to sign Sabathia to a contract extension over the winter came up empty. The Indians offered Sabathia a four-year extension through 2012 that would have paid him $18 million a year, and he turned it down and cut off negotiations when Spring Training camp opened. The Indians reportedly made an effort to reignite talks with Sabathia recently.

If LaPorta is indeed involved in the trade, he would fit the Indians' need for more power in the organization. LaPorta, who was the Brewers' No. 1 Draft pick last year, was batting .288 with 20 homers, 23 doubles and 66 RBIs through 84 games at Huntsville.

The Brewers are 3 1/2 games back of the Cubs in the National League Central standings. Acquiring Sabathia would give them a major push toward reaching the playoffs for the first time in 26 years.

Milwaukee's chances of locking up Sabathia long-term aren't considered any better than those of the Indians. If the Brewers lose Sabathia to free agency this winter, they would receive two first-round Draft picks as compensation for the loss.

Sabathia, who turns 28 on July 21, is 6-8 with a 3.83 ERA this season. He has struck out an AL-leading 123 batters in 122 1/3 innings. A first-round Draft pick of the Tribe in 1998, he has compiled a 106-71 record and 3.83 ERA over the course of eight big league seasons.

Anthony Castrovince is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


So we're getting Laporta who is said to be an absolute stud prospect and I'm really excited about that. But I would either want their yound pitcher Jefferies or their 3rd baseman Green to be included in the deal as well. And to those of you who are pouting about not getting "right now and active" current MLB players just remember the kind of players we got in the past with the Bartolo Colon trade.

That being said, I can't wait to see this Laporta kid, they say some also compare him to the likes of Lance Berkman of the Astros. If he does indeed turn out to be that kind of player that would be HUGE for us. Let's just the other 2 name's we don't know right now are good ones.

So we're getting Laporta who is said to be an absolute stud prospect and I'm really excited about that. But I would either want their yound pitcher Jefferies or their 3rd baseman Green to be included in the deal as well. And to those of you who are pouting about not getting "right now and active" current MLB players just remember the kind of players we got in the past with the Bartolo Colon trade.

That being said, I can't wait to see this Laporta kid, they say some also compare him to the likes of Lance Berkman of the Astros. If he does indeed turn out to be that kind of player that would be HUGE for us. Let's just the other 2 name's we don't know right now are good ones.

It's in the other thread... and there's an article on ESPN.com

If he turns out to be close to Lance we'll be happy for a long ass time! Lance is a flat out STUD...

I haven't heard much about this kid, but everything I read tonight looks good... I'll trust the FO. k

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Garko's struggles, do we move him back to 1st?

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IMO! He needs to go any place but Cleveland!

Is it possible that the indians could still sign CC if milwaukee cant resign him. Im never excited about trading for minor league players. Its like geting a rookie in the NFL. For all we know this could be great or a complete flop. I know its unlikely but what are the odds?

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The Indians havnt had a power hitting right handed hitter for some time now. The park is designed for right handed power hitters. Hopefully, Shapiro has found his man. 3rd baseman is also a need. Now i wonder if the Shapiro can find any takers for Byrd and Blake and go out and get a closer next offseason.

Well, I was digging around and I found the other guys that were supposed to be included in the trade, some are happy by this some are not. For what it's worth I know Bryson was set up as the future Brewers close man and the PTBNL is reported to be the 3rd baseban Green which may be moved to 2nd base in the future. As for Zach Jackson his numbers are a little bit less impressive, but who know's he may just need a chance.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/breaking_news/294883

MILWAUKEE -- The Milwaukee Brewers have agreed to acquire left-hander C.C. Sabathia from the Cleveland Indians, a source familiar with the discussions said Sunday night.

The Brewers will give up outfielder Matt LaPorta, left-hander Zach Jackson, right-hander Rob Bryson and a player to be determined in the deal.

Sabathia, a 6-foot-7, 290-pounder who turns 28 next week, is 6-8 with a 3.83 ERA this season. He was last year's American League Cy Young Award winner.

LaPorta is hitting .288 with 20 home runs and 66 RBIs for Class AA Huntsville. Jackson is 1-5 with a 7.85 ERA for Class AAA Nashville, while Bryson is 3-2 with a 4.25 ERA for Class A West Virginia.

Jackson is like the Lee Stevens of this trade. Worth absolutely nothing.

PTBNL isn't for sure to be Green, but it's most likely going to be him.

LaPorta and Green is more than I could have asked for.

I have heard this pitcher by the name of Bryson has a pretty good arm and a very high K ratio something like 11.5 per 9 innings, but here's some of his stats.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=34624

He is also very young, only 20 years old, and has an MLB Slider. If he adds a few MPH on his fastball, he will be a future closer easy.

Tyler Green, who is supposed to be the PTBNL, the 2007 POTY for the Brewers. He's at 3rd right now, but his glove seems like it will translate much better over at 2nd. The guy could be just as good as LaPorta. Most have him in the top 5 in the Brewers Organization.

Jackson, I don't need to go over again, he is a LOGGY and a meatballer. Lee Stevens basically.

LaPorta, as i've said, is the crown jewel of this trade. Think Albert Belle, ManRam type. I believe someone in this thread mentioned Lance Berkman, i'd say that's a pretty fair assessment, however I think he could be better. Only question is if he can stay in the OF or is he could to have to go back to 1B. Think Adam Dunn but can hit for average and a lot less K's.

No problem man. Welcome to the board, BTW.

Heres' what Yahoo! says about the deal.......

The Cleveland Indians Cleveland Indians agreed to trade ace C.C. Sabathia on Sunday afternoon to the Brewers for four minor leaguers, including top prospect Matt LaPorta and third baseman Taylor Green, sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which first reported the deal, said the other two players are left-handed pitcher Zach Jackson and right-hander Rob Bryson.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ap...o&type=lgns

Found this interesting....

And the Milwaukee Sentinel says......

"To part with LaPorta, the Brewers told the Indians they had to get a deal done by Sunday night. Sabathia's next scheduled turn is Tuesday, and the Brewers knew if they could get him on the mound by then, he could take another turn on Sunday, the final day before the all-star break."

and, they also say the PTBNL is Green....

A fourth player, officially designated as "to be named later," could turn out to be third baseman Taylor Green, the Brewers' minor-league player of the year in 2007. Cleveland has been scouting Green, with the idea of moving him to second base, and might want to see him play more.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=769685

Kind of interesting we would move him to second? Considering we have no one at 3B beyond CB. That must be a sign that Shapiro and Co. are going to hammer out an extension for Blake before the year is over?

Personally I am sad to see CC goes , I mean the guy had been here since he was 18....However we did acquire that Laporte fellow plus 3 other to be named later for whatever it's worth.....Ideally this will only be a rental t to Brewers....Ideally we would try and resign him at the end of the season , but I doubt that IF we wouldn't pay now that we will pay then , but one is always allowed to Hope....and of course we still keep Laporte , who is supposed to the Talent ....

Ya i agree with you mammal, i didnt want to see cc go either, but i doubt we could of resigned him in the off season. Hopefully this Laporta guy can be a future all star and it works out for us. Remember the Colon trade, i was skeptical too because i never heard of sizemore or lee at that time and now there proven allstars. Phillips was the big name in that trade and we got two players to be named( lee, sizemore) that worked out for us. Hopefully this will happen in this trade too.. Mark Shapiro is a pretty smart man.

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Kind of interesting we would move him to second? Considering we have no one at 3B beyond CB. That must be a sign that Shapiro and Co. are going to hammer out an extension for Blake before the year is over?

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I'd move Jhonny to 3B, Asdruble to SS.

I'd move Jhonny to Saskatchewan. I really think that guy is worthless.

JMHO

I dont see us trading Blake, I do see us moving Jhonny P , Byrd, Delluci before we move Blake,

I'd rather move JP than switch him to 3rd,

Someone, like the LAD, would definately take on his contract. Jhonny's contract is not bad at all...someone will take a flyer on a 20 whatever SS who can hit the ball.

Peralta can't play third. They experimented with it and it was a disaster, according to those who know.

How long is Blake signed for? Is it just for this year? Any thoughts he won't be re-signed after this year?

I don't like Peralta at SS, I'll say that much. The guy is as slow as my grandmother. Heck, I think I'd take Vizquel back at his age! And Peralta does get some hits now and then, but man does he disappear a lot, too.

I think he can hit better if he has some protection, we need Victor back and Hafner is the biggest disaster and a lot of people are pointing to the "S" word.

This the contract we need to worry about:

Travis Hafner dh
3 years/$7M (2005-07), plus 2008 club option
4 years/$57M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option

signed extension 7/11/07, re-working previous deal by adding $2.25M to 2007 salary & $3M to 2008 salary

07:$6.3M, 08:$8.05M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout)


Ouch.

I agree about Hafner. Some people are worked up about the fact that Martinez hadn't hit a HR, but the guy got hits. I could care less about HRs, really. Heck, give me a team of Tony Gwynns any day. And, we have Sizemore who can hit the long ball and provides so much to this team as a hitter and especially in the field.

Listening to ESPN 850 this morning...I'm STUNNED at the amount of DUMB fans in Cleveland.

They all think they could pay CC and the Dolans are terrible...blah blah blah.

I hate Cleveland media and sometimes the fans.

I agree. This one doesn't fall on Dolan. Even before CC tanked in the playoffs and got off to a rough start I didn't want to sign him longterm. If he couldn't win 17-20 games per year with that contract it would kill us for 7-8 years. It was too risky.

There's no way the Indians franchise could afford CC. He wants the biggest contract possible (see Johan Santana). I don't begrudge CC at all. If that's what he wants, that's what he'll get. The Indians tried signing him to a fair extension and CC said no. The Indians were left to decide on getting two additional first rounder picks in next years draft or trade him now. To me, it was a coin flip decision.

The Brewers are making a one-shot run for the WS this year. And reports say the Brew Crew will let CC and Ben Sheets walk in the offseason. They want the 5 picks in next years draft (2 for CC, 2 for Sheets & their normal first rounder).

I like the move....though 3 picks in next years first round would be good too (though we'd have to wait longer on seeing them in the bigs).

As far as the talent we got back in the trade.....they had the pieces we need. Bats. So, that's good.

We as Indian fans need to sit back and be patient. I know, I know.....but we will need to build young, sign low-priced free agents and hope it all clicks. It almost clicked last year. As long as we have a GM and owner that is trying to win I'm happy.

First off Cleveland Fans are Not Dumb....We do tend to get pissed when owners of our various sports franchise say that when the time comes(or something along those lines....) that they will step up and pay the man....and of course the time never comes or it does and they don't pay....IMHO the only way to avoid being in a state of continual rebuilding is to step and pay our / or FA Studs to get us over the hump....Traditionally , we seem to like to get to the hump and peak over it without actually doing what it takes to put our Franchises in a position to win....(The Browns excluded ,they have overpaid players since the Return)....

I don't understand why anyone is upset about this. Trading CC is one of the SMARTEST things we have done in a while, almost as smart as the Colon trade which was one of the best moves ever.

Trading CC just improved this club immensly. We picked up imortant pieces that we needed. While CC was a solid pitcher and our 1st CY winner in a while, he dissapeared in the playoffs when we needed him the most. Last season solidified that for me. His fastball was his downfall last year, and that is his best pitch.

Bye CC, thanks for the memories.

That's the whole point.

It's frustrating as an Indians fan knowing teams out there like NY, LA and others can pick and sign pretty much whoever they want, and we dont have to dollars to do so. So we continually watch our players develop through our organization only to watch them leave for more money later.

Whether the Dolans need to do more, or the league needs to step up and set a cap up similar to other professional sports, this will continue to happen.

It sounds as though they really did offer CC a nice contract, and he turned it down. In that situation, the Indians did what they had to do, shipping him out and getting what they could in return.