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This move was made purely for the sake of team chemistry.
I agree. It sounded like he may have already been causing problems.
We didn't need some moaner on the bench.
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What happens if no one offers Bentley a starting spot?
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Is told multiple times after he has rehabbed that he is "not ready" by Savage and Crennel. Why? Money. If he plays and is 90% and gets hurt again...they're on the hook for the full payment.
Because Savage and Crennel care more about the salary cap than they do about putting a winning team on the field? If this guy could have come back at 90% and contributed, IMO, he would have been on the field.
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Is told last October after he agreed to the PUP deal that, yet again, he's not ready.
Who are you going to believe? The guys who run the team, or the player? There aren't many guys in the NFL who are going to say "Well, to tell you the truth, I'm just not ready." As you said, the guy has pride, and he's a Browns fan. He wants to be on the field. But, was he just going to waltz into a starting role? Would he have been happy with a backup role last year?
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Cleveland Browns fan through and through. Takes less money and stiffs the Eagles to come back to his home town. Almost cries in his presser about living his dream. Does the Superman thing with the Browns jersey under his suit.
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The guy was a four year veteran when he got here. A bonifide PRO BOWL STUD who made it both as a RG and a Center. He has pride people. If not for the injury he may have been on a career arc that ended in Canton.
If that's all true, then why wouldn't he be more than willing to battle through camp, battle through the season and prove he's the number 1 guy on the team?
I'm not bashing Bentley. I have no hard feelings against the guy at all. I'm not praising the FO. I have no idea what went on behind closed doors.
The FO isn't infallible, but you have to admit that this FO has made a lot of very good moves. So, when it comes time to give the benefit of the doubt, you do it.
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Or maybe the Steelers who have a gaping hole at center.
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I still very seriously doubt that LCB will be anything in the NFL anymore.
LCB wanted to be handed the center job after not playing in two years.
Get out.
you had a good run Hank.
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I agree with you, but wouldn't it just eat ya if he did go on and be productive?
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I agree with you, but wouldn't it just eat ya if he did go on and be productive?
Maybe a little.
But he will not be better than Steiny, Hank, Tucker or even Hadnot.
He was going to be a long shot to make the team anyway. I feel bad because he wanted to be a Cleveland Brown and I wish he could have stayed healthy...but at this point, he has too much ego and too little talent to make or start on this team.
you had a good run Hank.
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i just got the impression from watching the interview that something had to have happened with the staff that left him bitter, and their wait and see approach was the last straw
If all this comes down to is the staffs desire to take it slow and easy and not to stress his body out...and he reacted this way, I'd say we have a man that is unrealistic..
Remember, I said IF this is what happened..
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I agree with you, but wouldn't it just eat ya if he did go on and be productive?
No...not here anyway.
I think we went the extra mile with the guy. I don't think we did anything wrong in the way we dealt with him, but obviously there was something he felt entitled to...maybe being named starter, I don't know.
At any rate, he is done in my books as a player(if he still is), because other teams don't mean much to me and I don't really root for them or their players.
I am glad the guy won't have to walk with a cane anytime soon.
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...I hate letting potentially good OLinemen go. They're too hard to come by.
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Bentley couldn't get off the line to the second level last year. He thought he was ready. He thinks he is still ready, I'll wait and see.
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I know you are pretty pessimistic overall about this team
Really?
I do think we're going to win our division this year albeit with a record of 10-6 or below. I also think we have one of the Top 3 OLs in the NFL with about 8 potential pro bowlers this year. This is unquestionably the best team since the late 80s. How is that "pretty pessimistic overall"?
If you are talking about the QB position then yes I think the wrong player is playing right now but I'm certainly not pessimistic about the position overall.
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Because Savage and Crennel care more about the salary cap than they do about putting a winning team on the field? If this guy could have come back at 90% and contributed, IMO, he would have been on the field.
Then we have a difference of opinion. Bentley said he was 90% and then said they held him back because...their words...he had some technique issues that he had to work on.
If LCB were to get hurt then they couldn't cut him. They would have had to work out an injury settlement....
The only way to read this IMO is that Bentley still wanted to play for the Browns. Agreed to a SIGNIFICANT pay cut, then was told he was an insurance policy and was at the bottom of the depth chart.
If I were LCB I'd have a problem with that too.
(Pure Conjecture Alert) They may have also said that backup linemen play special teams...and if you want to stay then you have to beat out Freidman and take his place on the kicking teams.
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The FO isn't infallible, but you have to admit that this FO has made a lot of very good moves. So, when it comes time to give the benefit of the doubt, you do it.
JMHO
The FO has made a lot of good moves. Mostly in the realm of talent aquisition.
The FO has also made some deplorable moves all across the board. I don't like the way they've handled many decisions but it's their team. I can only throw my opinion around with other Browns fans on a message board.
JMHO but I think the FO is to blame on this one.
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Fair enough, and my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.
I'm going to take a "wait and see" approach to this. If Bentley is able to go to another team and succeed quickly, I'll know then that the FO jumped the gun. If Bentley is never able to play a meaningful down of football again, then I'll see the FO as being justified.
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I'll take the same approach. I think that's fair.
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He wants to P....L.....A......Y.
Yet he would have PLAYED and started for the Browns IF he beat out Hank, or Tucker/ Hadnot. It sounds to me like LCB is afraid he is not going to be the same player he once was.
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...I hate letting potentially good OLinemen go. They're too hard to come by.
I do too.
And I bet Phil hates it even more.
I think Phil would have traded him if he could have....it doesn't take that long to make 10-15 calls to others teams with a need. If all laughed at him, there is no need to make more calls. Those guys share cell phones. Phil talked to a few people.
I can make 10-15 calls in a hour.
Bottom line is Bentley wanted out, and we couldn't trade him. Why keep him around to miss more meetings and send a terrible message to the guys who are trying to get something done??
Unlike some, I don't think Bentley held up his end and didn't give a damn about the team or it's fans.
I am not blaming him, I just don't think all of the talk about him being a Cleveland guy is a bunch of BS. People grow up.
I am from Cleveland too, but in the end, I am a Tennessean.
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http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/06/11/a-day-after-return-bentley-misses-meeting-practice/The relationship between Bentley and the team had become strained during his attempt to come back. He spent the majority of his rehabilitation away from the team, was upset when the team didn’t pass him on his physical in October and had his six-year, $36 million contract shortened to end following the 2008 season. “This is a chapter that finally comes to an end,” Savage said. “We’ve got some closure to it now and can go our separate ways in a positive manner.” Bentley, a native of Cleveland who attended St. Ignatius High School and Ohio State, spoke to reporters Tuesday after practice and said he was no longer dreaming about playing his first game in a Browns uniform. “No. I’ve let that go,” he said. “Being a Brown is always going to be special to me. I don’t want people to misconstrue what I’m saying. I grew up here, I’ve been a die-hard fan my entire life. That will never change. “But if there’s one thing I’ve realized throughout these last two years of this experience, I realize there’s a business aspect of this. Sometimes business people have to make business decisions.”
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was told he was an insurance policy and was at the bottom of the depth chart.
If he was told he was an insurance policy out right then I would have had a problem with that too...
if he was told he was at the bottom of the depth chart and had to fight his way to the top then I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's where any player should be who hasn't played for a couple years.
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All I can say is the way this played out was Sad....Every indication seemed to point to the Browns supporting Bentley 100% and than this happens....It's a Bummer and IF he comes back and plays well this could go down as one of the few Bad moves under Savage's tenure as GM....I wish him Luck.....
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j/c http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/506576.html?nav=5024‘‘Being a Brown is always going to be special to me,’’ said Bentley, who played four years and made two Pro Bowls with the New Orleans Saints. ‘‘I don’t want people to misconstrue what I’m saying. I grew up here. I’ve been a diehard fan my entire life, and that will never change. The one thing I realize is that there’s a business aspect to this. ‘‘It wasn’t a business decision to come to Cleveland; it was an emotional decision. I actually took less money to come here and play here. I came here because this is where my heart is at. I’ve been shown on several occasions that this is a business and people have to make business decisions. We’ll see what happens.’’ Bentley’s decision to rehabilitate under the guidance of a personal trainer in Arizona didn’t sit well with the organization. Another wedge was driven between the sides last summer when Bentley was given clearance to practice by Dr. Russ Warren, the New York Giants physician who performed some of the surgeries. The Browns placed Bentley on the physically unable to perform list when training camp opened last July. He was eventually placed on injured reserve, forcing him to miss a second straight season. Bentley is confident that he’ll be able to handle physical contact. He was tested in that area last October before going on IR. ‘‘We brought out some defensive linemen and linebackers, and I had full contact and did very well,’’ Bentley said. ‘‘The issue wasn’t about my performance as a player. The issue at that time was my running and mechanics. As far as my knee holding up, I’ve established that because I’ve had full contact.’’Bentley was the centerpiece of the Browns’ 2006 class of free agents when he signed a six-year contract worth close to $28 million, including a $12.5 million signing bonus. He agreed last December to shorten the length of the deal to one year at a base salary of $605,000 with the opportunity through incentives to regain $4 million.
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was told he was an insurance policy and was at the bottom of the depth chart.
If he was told he was an insurance policy out right then I would have had a problem with that too...
if he was told he was at the bottom of the depth chart and had to fight his way to the top then I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's where any player should be who hasn't played for a couple years.
Bentley hasn't been around ANYWHERE around the Browns for two years. What the hell did he think would happen. The Browns gave him a four million dollar incentive package. Go FREAKIN EARN IT! Looks to me like he was pouting, holding his breath, and WAAAAAAA.
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I guess this lends credence to some things I'd heard about Bentley's character during his rehab. But since he's never played a down for this team, I couldn't really give two shakes about it at this point.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him wind up in Pittsburgh. They desperately need any sort of talent on their line, and I think LCB is basically trying to make as much of a cashgrab as he can before his knee goes for good on him.
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This saddens me because I really wanted to see him as a brown... However... in terms of these forums...To all those who ridiculued me for bringing up the irony of Bentley being a ZERO when he said he wanted to wear the numbers 00... enjoy eating that crow. So many of you wanted my head on a platter for that statement. Now we see how it plays out.
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I agree with you, but wouldn't it just eat ya if he did go on and be productive?
he will. I be he's a steeler.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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where did he go to school? lol... "THE...." He has some arrogance in him anyway.... but regardless, I'm really surprised about this. I haven't been online all day, and then I come on the board, and see this....  Good Luck to you Bentley... I understand you think you are ready to take on the world, but with you here or not...... this ship doesn't stop moving... Thats what you have to remember.... It's never about just one person.... but it is always about the TEAM!!!
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So... then your a Titans fan? 
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To all those who ridiculued me for bringing up the irony of Bentley being a ZERO when he said he wanted to wear the numbers 00... enjoy eating that crow. So many of you wanted my head on a platter for that statement. Now we see how it plays out.
Yeah, like you knew he'd never take a snap as a Brown and miss two seasons with the possibility of losing his leg and his life over it. You knew back then, that all this would have major, life changing effects on his view of his own life and cause him to take charge of his own destinty by asking to be released from the Browns after feeling that he wasn't as welcomed back with open arms as he anticipated.
Yeah, you knew all that would happen and as a result this would all come to pass way before hand. Yeah. Good call.
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I am not blaming him, I just don't think all of the talk about him being a Cleveland guy is a bunch of BS. People grow up.
I am from Cleveland too, but in the end, I am a Tennessean.
It's an individual thing... no matter where I live I'll always be a Buckeye... Ohio will always be my home...
But I agree that it appears that a lot of what Bent said was talk... and obviously talk is cheap. Glad he is an Ohio guy, but he's no longer a Brown... I wish him well, but don't care too much any more about his NFL career.
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So... then your a Titans fan?
LOL...yep...that's why I post here all the time.
I guess you have a point.....but I think you understand mine.
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He wants to P....L.....A......Y.
Yet he would have PLAYED and started for the Browns IF he beat out Hank, or Tucker/ Hadnot. It sounds to me like LCB is afraid he is not going to be the same player he once was.
That is it right there in a brief summary....
Tucker is coming off of hip surgery, and may or may not be available for the opener OR be less of a player than he was in the past. God love Hank Fraley for manning the position as he has and his wife for posting on this board. The former is great and the latter is just icing on the cake, both are appreciated.
However, if Bentley is AFRAID to compete in camp for a starting position ON THE TEAM THAT HE GREW UP LOVING AS WE DO against an aged player like Tucker who is coming off of hip surgery and may not be available for us (and I'm not going to look up ages but I know off the top of my head Bentley has to be about 5 years Tucker's junior) and against Hank Fraley and Hadnot (I can't believe we're even discussing this guy as part of the equation) then so be it. As you said, if he is capable then he would be willing to suit up and sack up against these guys and play for this team.
Okay....I said I wouldn't do it and I did it anyway....I looked up ages.....Bentley is 29 near the end of this coming football season and Tucker is 33 years old AS OF TOMORROW JUNE 12TH. So happy friggin birthday Tucker.......hopefully you can suit up and play ball for us this year as we will definitely need you since Bentley cannot come to terms with his unfair treatment from this franchise. Are u kidding me?????? You wanted to be a Brown and you were blessed with that opportunity and now you've sucked millions out of this franchise for nothing! Good luck in going out and seeking your final payday from some franchise. If it doesn't work out, then maybe you can go find Tim Couch and you guys can travel the globe and hobnob on the mucho dollars that the Browns have given you!!!!!!!
I try to maintain feelings separate from college and pro teams but I'll be damned if this one doesn't hurt. I don't care that Braylon was a Wolverine, he is now a Brown and I support him fully.....but by God this one hurts.....many people who didn't realize it before now know what an OL means to a team in the NFL and we have now had a "hometown boy" screw us over and stick a dagger into our hearts.
This all made sense when I first began typing it and I know it doesn't now but dammit.......if you're capable then you would have done it and had your jersey flying off of the store shelves......I for one applaud the FO for having the cajonas to do this. They are building us a team.......I just wish I could write something here that makes sense instead of rambling.....
Dammit.......
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anybody know how much he actually got after he got injured?
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I see people saying the names of all these teams who are going to be clamoring to get LCB as their starting center and I am doubtful. Anywhere this guy goes, he will have to prove himself. After what he went through, no one is going to ASSume he's the same player that went to two Pro Bowls. Maybe he'll be productive, but that's what would be more surprising to me than him fading away. Too bad for him, too bad for us, but we've still got a better O-line than we ever had so I'm not crying... 
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Y-know- I just can't get too fired up about this one.
Call me way too pragmatic, but it's kind of hard to for me to miss something I never had.
See... I had a team that went 10-6 last year without the player in question. I had a team the year before, when Hank Fraley saved what tlittle we had worth saving... without the player in question. Both years, I had a team with an OL that did all it could- be they 1st round pro bowl rookies or backups giving a starter a blow- without the player in question.
And you know what? I'll still have a team in September that will continue without the player in question.
I'm not being mean, I'm not angry about this, and I pretty much feel a lack of emotion (except for maybe detatched bemusement...) about it... so take this next statement in the spirit intended- purely acedemic and results-oriented:
LeCharles Bentley actually produced less for us than Courtney Brown.
So pardon me if I don't get too choked up about his departure, his unproductive stay here, or the manner in which he left. I simply have too many positive things to consider with this team to dwell on someone who hasn't been in the game, mix or plans for two years. He's been an interesting side story for me- nothing more and nothing less- since Day, uh- **snap, crackle, pop** ...One.
Truth be told, I'm basically relieved that this story goes off the Browns grid. It was only a feel-good for about 15 minutes, anyway... the rest was bizarre, depressing drama from start to finish. Even if he's still a good guy and can play, that kind of (1999-2004) mojo this team simply does not need.
Like I said- can't miss what I never had.
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I'm just worried about him landing on a team like the Steelers...
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Bentley said in his interview with STO that it wasn't about a starting job, he knows no team is going to just hand one to him, he's going to have to fight for one, so if it was about that why wouldn't he do it here.
Something may come out later, but I honestly just think LCB felt slighted. His knee injury became career then life threatening, he put everything he had into his recovery, and then when he felt he was ready they shut him down for the year, then they completely redo his contract.
I think when he came here he was enamored with just being a Brown. And then it hit, this is a team, just like any other team, who are not going to go out on a limb for an injury risk, are going to be cautious, and when they can they will save money.
He felt he risked his life and fought too hard to be benched last season and have his contract thrown out. Cleveland felt they didn't need to pay a guy who couldn't play and didn't want to risk him completely blowing his knee again.
As much as I hate it, this was probably for the best, but I wanted to believe Bentley could not only comeback, but dominate in a Browns uniform for years to come.
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That's it in a nutshell.
I hope to heck he lands anywhere other than the AFC North. I just don't want to see him playing the Browns but I wish him all the best.
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i sure hope he didn't get a playbook this year.
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Must.....refrain.........from getting banned.............
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Good luck finding a job Mr. Bentley. I'm sure there are GM's just foaming at the mouth over those 7.0+ 40 yard dashes that you ran for the doctors, Savage & Company. You're going to need it. 
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