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So much for "I'll play punter if they want me to..".
I guess talk is cheap. 
If this is all because he wouldn't be "handed" the job, I agree 100% with you, PPE.
For anyone who sees the "all bets are off" piece, let us know what is said.
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I had a strange felling something was up, Lacharles for whatever reason, said a few things yesterday which left me wondering what was going thru his mind,
First he said I came here to play center but will do whatever the team needs him to do, I took as meaning playing guard, well during the same interview he said he was gonna play somewhere this year and he wouldnt be sitting???? If it meant going elsewhere he would do that, to me thats not someone looking to do team first things.
I do believe he thought he'd walk back in step into a starting role and everything would be sunny, Rac told him he was 2nd or 3rd team guard and he would have to work his way into the starting line-up, he got pissed went into Phils office and asked for his release, Phil wasnt gonna be backed against a wall or have his coach's authority challenged so he was released as requested. I bet LCB jaw dropped when Phil said ok, have it your way your release now get out of my office.
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In listening to what Knott said on WTAM..it's Bentley's ego..
It looks like the Browns were just being cautious with the guy..like one of the articles said..
the Browns were taking a "wait-and-see" tack with the lineman, and hoped to see whether or not his knee would hold up when contact began.
The OBR has been advising caution with respect to Bentley's potential, due to what we had learned from team sources, questions about Bentley's ability to take punishment, the team's concern about both liability, and risk to the entire offensive line if the the team depended too much on Bentley's contributions.
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But if he stays here as a long term solution, I'm sure he will be our Center. Hank was signed to a very fair 4 year contract this will be #2...the next two will be as Insurance to LCB - but remember I'm talking about 09 here. 08 I think Hank is pretty secure with the starting position
Guess this won't be happening. I think it's for two reasons....One, and most important, the lack of confidence that he can come back. Second, a commitment to Hank. Savage is living up to his word when he signed him.
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How much cap space will this free up for the Browns? Anyone know???
Phil addressed this in his presser today... it would seem that we're free & clear of everything with the re-done contract, it was all contingent upon him being on the final roster.
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So much for "I'll play punter if they want me to..".
I guess talk is cheap.
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where'd you get that punter quote from? I remember him saying it in '06 or last year sometime.
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How much cap space will this free up for the Browns? Anyone know???
Phil addressed this in his presser today... it would seem that we're free & clear of everything with the re-done contract, it was all contingent upon him being on the final roster.
If this allows us to bring in a quality DB, this might not be such a bad thing.
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That's what I was referencing... I was quoting (as best I could remember) what he said in his Introductory Press Conference when we signed him. One of the writers asked if he would be playing Center or Guard for us. That was the gist of his reply.
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after commercial Bentley is going to be on all bets are off on sto which should be within the min... ill try to write a summary of the showing so the people who cant watch it can get the idea of what was said
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after commercial Bentley is going to be on all bets are off on sto which should be within the min... ill try to write a summary of the showing so the people who cant watch it can get the idea of what was said
If you could, I'd appreciate it. I'm here at work. Thanks.
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After hearing Phil...he kept saying Bentley thinks he can play.only time will tell....but maybe it's Bentley thinks he can start..I think that is the crux of everything..
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"Am I the only one who has almost the same exact feeling in my gut as I did when I learned about his injury at training camp?"
Not this dawg...Oh, I was ecstatic to hear him come back - but lets face it this team moved on since his injury and went out and built this OL into a darn good one.
I'm pretty disappointed that he didn't want to fight and compete at least for a starting job and is doing this cause we just didn't say - OH HERE take the Center job even though we don't know you can play yet I just don't get his logic here and I am disappointed in his character to not want to fight for the job!
As for Savage...I think he might be moving to hastily, he should have told Bentley to have his agent work out a trade and we would oblige him.
They could work out a trade with Zona (maybe we get a 4th rounder???) it seems like Bentley would be comfortable playing in Zona and they sure could use him.
JMHO - but we won't miss a beat or him for that matter.
eo, I completelyl agree with you. Though it's a shame he didn't want to show some respect for the Browns since we kept him around. Also, he's showing no heart and bad character with this move. He would have been a beast at RG just as much as he was at Center but this is the type of attitude that has brought down the Bengals in the past few seasons and we don't need that. Btw, I'm not sure we could have gotten much for him in a trade, I mean he hasn't played in 2 years and is questionable even though he passed the physical.
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Just watched the interview on all bets are off here what was said (typed this from what i heard while listening)
Bruce asked what was up.
Bentley said nothing, it was a time for him and the Browns to split up.
Bruce talked about the recovery and passing of the examinations and how great it was yesterday.
Bentley said it was feeling good , then he realized it wasn't the place for him to be anymore. He said the team is moving in an exciting direction and hes excited for it, but hes not a part of it.
Bruce asked for the time of the interviews that they had yesterday.
Bentley said it was after first practice.
Bruce asked about if something was said to him to do this.
Bentley said that nobody knows how he feels, and the only way he got through it it was himself and his family and his faith. hes the only one that has to live his life. Hes always gonna be a Cleveland guy but there were a lot of things that went on that happened, and things that went on that weren't corrected, and family members fight ( inside the team) lots of water under the bridge. And its a better situation for him and the team to do this.
Bruce said its sounds like number of things through the injury process.
Bentley says thats correct
Bruce asked if he was given the impression of not playing
Bentley said the impression diden't matter because that problem would be solved because he felt there was nobody better then him, not about competition. there were other issues that weren't ever addressed that weren't corrected.
Bruce asked if he went to the browns and requested the release
Bentley said that thats correct, said it was not an easy conversation and both decided that its best
Bruce asked if savaged was shocked
Bentley said i dont know
Bruce asked because hes an religious man, did he feel that hes ready to start at any position
Bentley said thats correct, and not even an issue or even a debate at the time. his faith was tested and he was given his gift back but he does not know how long he will be able to play still. but as far as his careerer is going is dedicated to faith and if you get through it anything can happen
Bruce said it will always be his home, and his hard work, and its disappointing, and everyone was happy yesterday to the startling revaluation that hes moving on
Bentley said that when there smoke theres fire and its something that he wanted and was done with great respect. and hes not upset with anyone its just the time for him to move on with his careerer and its not the best fit for him. he came in with the intent of representing Cleveland, and hes always going to do it, but just not with the browns. unfortunately its the situation that hes in and he apologizes to anyone he offended.
Bruce said that he does not think anybody will be upset with him , asked if he talked to romeo and asked how it went
Bentley said he has the up most respect for him and respected him , but others he did not.
Bruce said they would love to have him for a long time
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Bruce and Geno are talking now saying that it might of been a problem with him and savage during the process. and he had a better relationship with Romeo.
possibly because he wanted to be the starter from the start.
maybe that the browns were surprised that he passed the physical.
talking about how it would be interesting if he went to a divisional team.
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i just got the impression from watching the interview that something had to have happened with the staff that left him bitter, and their wait and see approach was the last straw
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after commercial Bentley is going to be on all bets are off on sto which should be within the min...
Bentley really gave no reasons except "it was time to move on". He asked him about his interview yesterday and said the interview was done after his 1st practice. Said there were things going on (during his rehab in Arizona) although he didn't elaborate. He apologized to anyone he's hurt,says Romeo has been great to him,didn't mention Phil. Sounds like he felt like he should have been a starter in my opinion and the Browns are saying you need to earn it.
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Yeah, the whole "I respect Romeo but not others" thing left me feeling that way, too. Maybe he doesn't like Savage? Who knows.
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I've got the feeling in the few interviews I've heard that post injury, in the hospital time that the organization either didn't seem to care or did something that he didn't deem right.
Something tells me this gonna boil down to the ridiculous, "they direspected me" BS!!
Or... he just aint ready to admit he's no longer the man he was pre- injury.
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Wow I go from pumped he's finally back to questioning why the heck he wants to leave so bad in no time. I was really pulling for this guy to but now he is just looking kind of selfish. If he's going to be as good as he was saying he will be he would have won a starting position on this team no problem. Seems to me after all that hard work he's taking the easy way out here. But then again I think there is a lot of animosity between him and the team. I remember Shaun Smith saying during his speech at the banquet that LCB thought he'd been wronged last year.
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I can't believe the animosity some on this board have to LeCharles Bentley. Born and Raised here. Cleveland Browns fan through and through. Takes less money and stiffs the Eagles to come back to his home town. Almost cries in his presser about living his dream. Does the Superman thing with the Browns jersey under his suit. Then.....
1. Gets hurt in a freak injury in a minicamp.
2. Has surgery under Cleveland Browns supervision
3. Develops life threatening and career threatening staff infection
4. Has additional surgeries to clean out knee to start a miracle comeback.
5. Is told multiple times after he has rehabbed that he is "not ready" by Savage and Crennel. Why? Money. If he plays and is 90% and gets hurt again...they're on the hook for the full payment.
6. Is told last October after he agreed to the PUP deal that, yet again, he's not ready.
7. Is told to redo his contract to the veteran minimum or he will be cut.
8. Shows up, outperforms expectations in his physical, wants to PLAY, then is told that kid gloves are going to be on and he's going to be limited...again...for the umpteenth time.
The guy was a four year veteran when he got here. A bonifide PRO BOWL STUD who made it both as a RG and a Center. He has pride people. If not for the injury he may have been on a career arc that ended in Canton.
How anyone blames LCB and says "Good Riddence" or other things in other terms is beyond me.
The guy is as big a fan of the Browns as anyone on this board. He lived our dream of suiting up for his team. Then got railroaded IMO.
I know that many of you here see the FO as infallable but this just smacks of bad decision making.
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I know that many of you here see the FO as infallable but this just smacks of bad decision making.
Agree totally.
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I think you are on to something there 1oldMutt. He has made references to how he has learned that this is a business. Sounds like he didn't like the way the front office treated him after the injury. Could it have something to do with the renegotiated contract?
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get over the money part....he almost got his leg cut off and lost his life. It's not your money, so who gives a crap whether he got $5 or $100 million.
As an Iggy grad and huge OSU and Browns fan, this really hurts.
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I can honestly see either the Ravens, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bungles, or Texans offering him a contract.
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From your list............... 1. Gets hurt in a freak injury in a minicamp. 2. Has surgery under Cleveland Browns supervision 3. Develops life threatening and career threatening staff infection 4. Has additional surgeries to clean out knee to start a miracle comeback. 5. Is told multiple times after he has rehabbed that he is "not ready" by Savage and Crennel. Why? Money. If he plays and is 90% and gets hurt again...they're on the hook for the full payment. 6. Is told last October after he agreed to the PUP deal that, yet again, he's not ready. 7. Is told to redo his contract to the veteran minimum or he will be cut. 8. Shows up, outperforms expectations in his physical, wants to PLAY, then is told that kid gloves are going to be on and he's going to be limited...again...for the umpteenth time. Do you have inside information regarding #5, #7 and #8? I'm not trying to be a jerk - I'm just curious. The announcement today has kinda thrown me for a loop, and I'm really trying to understand just what happened. Being on the outside looking in, it would appear that there (for whatever reason) is some bad blood between LCB and Savage that may have led to the decision to release him. I love my Browns, and I love my Buckeyes, and I thought that bringing LCB here in '06 was going to be the start of some very good things for us. The injury was obviously devastating not only to LCB but to us fans as well. Now, just when it seems that he's healthy and ready to contribute, he asks for his release and Savage grants it. Is he just being selfish because he's not being handed a starting role? If he feels he's completely recovered from the injuries/infection, then why not come out and prove it on the field and earn his starting center/guard position back? I'm thrilled with the job that Hank has done for us since he's been here. But, if LCB came out in training camp and proved that he was fully recovered and was a better player than Hank, then I'd want him to start - anything to make our team better. Did LCB feel he was not going to be given a shot to become a starter? This whole thing just bugs me (yeah, I know, who gives a crap how I feel  ) But I'm trying to add 2+2 and I'm sure not coming up with 4 in this case. Dawggonepostal
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It's hard for me to believe we couldn't get a late round conditional pick for LCB.  Lets dress the other O Linemen in bubble wrap, right now! I'm trying hard to fight it but somewhere deep in my bones I feel another Cleveland sports fiasco in the making.
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I know that many of you here see the FO as infallable but this just smacks of bad decision making.
I understand your point about Bentley, to a degree, agree. But, I also see the FO POV, this is a business, and the business is to put a winning product on the field. If they had let him push his knee to far, and ended his career, or worse, couldn't walk again, they would definitely be the villains. They did what they had to do. Bentley did what he had to do. It sucks on both sides, that it came to this. But from the moment that injury happened, I knew this would not end well for anyone involved, including us fans.
I wish him the best. I can't see any team, making a heavy investment in him, but someone will give him a shot. I hope he makes the best of it.
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I´m disappointed as most of you...but I´ll throw in another scenario....
maybe, just maybe LCB is paranoid walking around the facilities? getting the staph again that about every 2nd player who has a cut on this team seems to get.....remember, he almost lost his leg and it is therefor possible that it´s a mental thing and he feels uncomfortable....it´s irrational but possible
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...as long as it's not for the Steelers, Bengals or Rats.
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What was the front office supposed to do? Pay him in full? Hand him the starting job? If LeCharles Bentley wants to start in the NFL, he should've started by working his way up the depth chart of the team that sank twenty million dollars into him. His contract was up at the end of the year anyway. Quote:
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Then he shouldn't act like a prima donna...I'm sorry, I said it. If he were T.O. or Winslow or Braylon, we'd crucify him. But no one will, because he's a local product and at one point he was excited to be here.
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Do you have inside information regarding #5, #7 and #8? I'm not trying to be a jerk - I'm just curious.
No I don't have inside information on this but it all has been published previously. As to the specifics:
5. Savage in pressers on clevelandbrowns.com and me reading in the local news online has stated many times that they would have a different set of criteria from Bentley based on business decisions.
Here's one article I found quickley from July 28, 2007:http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/07/28/brady-bentley-not-ready-to-go/
“We’re excited about the potential of a LeCharles comeback,” general manager Phil Savage said. “But there’s a certain protocol every player has to meet before he can practice or play.”
Bentley underwent four operations on the knee, as a staph infection attacked the joint and sent him back to the hospital. He did his rehab in Arizona and Columbus and had been absent from team headquarters until the past week. Browns doctors hadn’t examined him until Friday.
Giants team doctor Russell Warren, who performed one of the surgeries, cleared Bentley to practice earlier in the week, but the Browns are being more cautious.
“He’s not quite ready to put on equipment and practice on the field with us,” Savage said. “This is not a contentious situation between the Browns and LeCharles Bentley. It’s not a steel-cage match.”
And when Savage says "it's not a steel-cage match" that's double talk for.....it's a steel cage match.
From a football perspective LCB thought he was ready to go a year ago.
7. Here's an article from the PD last December: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1198143269305810.xml&coll=2
The Browns have shortened center LeCharles Bentley's contract by three years and he can now become an unrestricted free agent after the 2008 season, according to NFL Players Association records.
The restructured deal will pay Bentley the NFL minimum for his position ($605,000) next season, but includes incentives that can earn him the $4 million he was due to make in base salary and roster bonus.
The new deal protects the Browns from having to pay Bentley $4 million in the event he can't play, yet it allows him to make up the money if he's healthy.
When you redo a deal and go to the minimum with incentives it is the last resort. Take this or be released.
8. This was reported on Tuesday.
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Phil addressed this in his presser today... it would seem that we're free & clear of everything with the re-done contract, it was all contingent upon him being on the final roster.
If this allows us to bring in a quality DB, this might not be such a bad thing.
In terms of the team... not having LCB doesn't really change anything... we haven't had him for two years... so for the line, we just don't have the depth and experience but still have a damn good line.
I'm more disappointed in Bent... basically feels like a slap in the Cleveland face... 'thanks for the 20 mil but I don't want to compete for a starting position" ?? What a load of crap...
personally if you don't want to fight for a starting role then I don't want you on the team. I want someone who is willing to fight and scratch for that role... not someone who thinks they are entitled to it... especially after being out of football for two years 
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A two time probowler who has been ready to play for a year....biding his time....time and again....
He wants to P....L.....A......Y.
Not be what was termed to his agent as an insurance policy.
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How do you know it was about money ? Just above in #4 you talk about him starting a miracle comeback ? He had a very serious knee injury,many players never take the field again. If Romeo/Phil didn't think he was ready to practice/play last season it doesn't surprise me a bit.
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He wants to P....L.....A......Y.
Not be what was termed to his agent as an insurance policy.
He still acted like a prima donna about it. Perhaps that's an unfair shake...perhaps had Savage said 'no', he would've kept quiet and served out his one year...but to be asked for a release because you're not named the starter after collecting checks doing nothing for this team but pass a physical? 
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Thanks, Heldawg.
I guess I haven't done a very good job of keeping up on the LCB articles. Or maybe it's just that I was hoping it wasn't the case that he was ready to play last year and for whatever reason the Browns organization held him back.
And if the organization was going to treat him with kid gloves again this year, then I question why they gave him medical clearance to start practicing. Seems as though they're talking out both sides of their mouths - ok, you can start practicing, but we really only want you to practice riding the stationary bike because we're afraid you'll get hurt again and cost us even more than the $16 million we've already paid you. If that's the case, then releasing him was probably the best thing for everyone (except us in-the-dark fans, of course).
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Browns doctors hadn’t examined him until Friday.
Giants team doctor Russell Warren, who performed one of the surgeries, cleared Bentley to practice earlier in the week, but the Browns are being more cautious.
So a doctor who had really zero interest in his playing ability and minimal liability said he could play... doesn't mean much IMO.
I personally liked taking the cautious road...
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