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As far as it will be known all 3rd party games will go on the ps3 and 360 so it really comes down to exclusives. In my mind 360 has better ones, and I have been paying attention to the main game websites and from what I see they say e3 wasn’t good this year and it’s moving on to Leipzig and the Tokyo game show. Those 2 are now more important then e3 ( I also saw that Microsoft won e3 from gaming websites –which I think would count more if it mattered-). And with games like gears of war 2 and fable 2 it was no question to what system I would buy. In 3 years the ps3 will go down in price so if I really were to want one I could pick one up for the price of about a ps2, if I really wanted to play there exclusive games.
i've never put any stock into what goes on at e3, and i don't understand how other people can...
and even if you did, for the sake of 360, they do have 2 pretty big titles coming out at the end of the year (gears of war, fable)
i have not played a ton on ps3, but i only think it is far behind because of what i hear from consumer reports (i have a connection to someone that works within the video game industry) and apparently that is one of the downsides to the playstation 3, even if it is free, it is still inferior to what you can do on xbox live...
from owning and playing both systems, they are both great though, i think 360's library is better, but once sony releases god of war, and some of their other exclusives, they will be right there, i also hear there is a possible return of twisted metal... and yes they are getting bioshock, which is among th greatest games of all time.
i don't want to get into fanboy fights, i just am giving my opinion (and also the opinion of consumer reports) and trying to state the facts, i honestly love both systems, i just think the 360 is a little bit better, even if 16 out of 100 fail.
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It doesnt make their service better because you suck.
ummm for me, the playstation online service is better than microsofts
im not sure what we are missing here 
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You saying the PS3 online service is better than the XBox Live is like saying the Kia is a better car than a Lexus because you cant afford a Lexus.
Yeah, the Kia is better for you because you dont have the money for a Lexus, but it doesnt make the Kia a better autombile.
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you are right, we should have defined better  and yes, it is like comparing a kia to a lexus, if you only drove a handful of times per year.
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Xbox Live is still a million times better than the PS3 network, hands down.
I can actually make the case that ps3 online is better. I dont play my ps3 all thta much, im still only 18% done with GTA and when I rent games, I never beat them, unless i really like the game.
So when i play online, I get my rear handed to me in whatever game I play. You have these people that play games religiously and I just get destroyed. No fun, so I raley play online. I owuld never pay 50 or 60 bucks/year to play online because I very rarely do it.
So for the thousands of gamers like me, PS3 online is better.
This still doesn't really make sense since you can have a silver subscription from Xbox live and play arcade games, download movies and shows (which the PS3 still can't do) and chat with friends all for free. The only thing you pay for is when you play games through the Live network and the way PS3's gaming network is going, they should start charging.
No one I know plays the big games on the PS3 network. Everyone I know who has two systems bought COD4 for Xbox Live. If there was really no difference, why wouldn’t people go for the free network ?
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No one I know plays the big games on the PS3 network. Everyone I know who has two systems bought COD4 for Xbox Live. If there was really no difference, why wouldn’t people go for the free network ?
That's funny...I know four people who have both systems personally and they all have COD4 for the PS3 only. A lot have to do with most of thier freinds have only PS3's. Maybe...just Maybe the people you know have COD4 for the 360 because of the same reason.
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Just out of curiosity what makes Live "a million times better".
like i said before, consumer reports are not good with psn, i believe "mediocre" was the term that was used...
also, x-box live arcade is a huge selling piece to xbox live... people love that stuff... assault heroes, geometry wars, some of the arcade classics, etc...
also, while psn is free, in my opinion, it will not always be free, when and if they do improve their service, you can guarantee a price on it.
in my own opinion, i think live runs much smoother than psn...
but that can vary depending on your internet strength too...
i don't think the current playstation network is complete garbage like their ps2 add was, but it is still not in the class of xbox live.
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like i said before, consumer reports are not good with psn, i believe "mediocre" was the term that was used...
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You mean like, Super Star Dust HD, High Velosity Bowling, Mortal Kombat 2, Rampart, Joust, Q-Bert ect....yeah the PSN has that as well.
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Their service has been improved a few times and there hasn't been a price placed on it. They are working on advertiesment when home comes out that will help with the costs of the service. They have firmly stated that their goal is to keep the PSN free. Things can change but there have been no signs that warrant a guarantee.
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If that's all you have then like I said, the PSN is not far behind and it's still in it's infacy. Tell me what was Lives capabilities in it's first two years?
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Oh true, I meant to say (just now catching up)
Does it really matter anyways, the prices are a rip off for both systems to rent movies/shows.
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If you're having trouble deciding on what to buy, read 337's thread.....
Although the 360 has the upper hand right now, the capabilities of the PS3 will force Microsoft to develop a new gaming system sooner than they want.
They will not be able to compete with what the PS3 will be doing in a couple of years from now. Their lineup for the coming year is quite impressive, and there are games that are being made that aren't even possible for the 360. MGS4 couldn't be made for the 360. Developers are just tapping it's potential, and with the inclusion of HOME, it's pretty safe to say that the PS3's potential is looking great.
Put it this way, I sat down and made a list of games that I really want to buy in the near future. Unfortunately, I don't know where I'd come with all the time and money to play them. I came up with a list of 12 games that I definitely want to buy for the PS3, and 11 of them are exclusives. There's another few games that I'd consider buying. 12 games????
Sometimes you can't find 5 games you want to buy. I averaged only a handful of games for the PS2 a year that I bought, and the PS2 had a tremendous line up. All of these games I'm hoping to buy, but don't know if I can even find the time to play them all:
SOCOM: Confrontations
Little Big Planet
Killzone 2
Gran Tursimo 5
Street Fighter 4 (only non-exclusive on this list)
Resistance 2
MAG
Infamous
Fat Princess
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Pain: Amusement Park
Ragdoll Kung Fu
And a few others that I may consider like Soul Caliber 4, Madden '09, flOwer, Tom Clancy's EndWar, God of War 3 and Resident Evil 5.
I've seen some stuff for the 360, and don't get me wrong, the have a great library already. BUT, that being said, looking at what they've got to come, I can honestly say the only game I'd really like to get my hands on would be Gears of War 2. Nothing else that I"ve seen coming out looks to interest me. And Gears 2 does look pretty damn good right now.
The PS3 has already outsold the 360 in Europe and Japan (which is a given), even though the 360 had a 16 month head start in Europe. The PS3 has also started to outsell the 360 here in the U.S., including doubling it up in sales for June once the exclusive MGS4 was launched. And with many other exclusives on their way, things will only pick up.
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like i said before, consumer reports are not good with psn, i believe "mediocre" was the term that was used...
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You mean like, Super Star Dust HD, High Velosity Bowling, Mortal Kombat 2, Rampart, Joust, Q-Bert ect....yeah the PSN has that as well.
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Their service has been improved a few times and there hasn't been a price placed on it. They are working on advertiesment when home comes out that will help with the costs of the service. They have firmly stated that their goal is to keep the PSN free. Things can change but there have been no signs that warrant a guarantee.
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If that's all you have then like I said, the PSN is not far behind and it's still in it's infacy. Tell me what was Lives capabilities in it's first two years?
1. i cannot show you the consumer reports, because i don't get to see them, like i said, i have a family member that works within the video game industry, and he used the word "mediocre"
2. xbla is better than what psn has to offer right now, and i think most would agree with that, their originals are huge favorites.
3. care to bet that eventually the psn will be priced?
4. i have both consoles running on the same router, and i see things differently.
5. that's not all i have, i have pointed out what i know, and some of my opinions, maybe you should go back and read my post.
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it was quite good, especially for a console that is no longer in service.
i see what you're trying to get at, but technology now, and technology when xbox live came out is quite different.
please don't use that argument. it doesn't work.
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1. i cannot show you the consumer reports, because i don't get to see them, like i said, i have a family member that works within the video game industry, and he used the word "mediocre"
2. xbla is better than what psn has to offer right now, and i think most would agree with that, their originals are huge favorites.
3. care to bet that eventually the psn will be priced?
4. i have both consoles running on the same router, and i see things differently.
5. that's not all i have, i have pointed out what i know, and some of my opinions, maybe you should go back and read my post.
1. Like I said, tell me what they say when they asses the PSN after version 2.41. Not to mention I have a feeling the whole "mediocre" comment is from the first year of the PSN. There have been a lot of improvements since then like the new store layout that is very user freindly and now after 2.41 allowing in-game XMB.
2. XBLA also has a 12month head start to have more content. But the PSN has some favoirites as well, like Super Star Dust HD, Pixel Junk Monsters, Calling all Cars, High Velosity Bowling (which is like an HD more realistic version of Wii Bowling). And more originals like Fat Princess and Ratchet and Clank comming to the PSN soon.
3. Sure what's the bet?
4. That's nice, I had my brothers 360 for 7 months while he was out of the country and I've seen no difference. I was playing Warhawk and COD4 last night and I didn't see any lag or anything. The PSN runs pretty smooth for me.
5. And I responded to all of your post, again if that is all you have then I don't see how you can defend the original comment that Live is "a million times better".
I'm not disputing Live is better, it is. But the PSN has made drastic leap forward from when it was launched. The only thing that Live has over the PSN at this point in time is
1) X Game invites - Now there is a difference of structure that allows Live to achieve this. The main thing is the host of the game's 360 is the server for the online game you are playing. This has some pro's (no dedicated server means you will be able to play the game 10 years from now as long as you have internet, and it allow the cross game invites) as well as one major con (using the gamers 360 as a server limits the amount of players that are can be in a game. That is the reason sony can make claims that games like M.A.G(256 players online) and Hardware 2 (100 players online) can not be accomplished on any other system.)
2) Better freinds list information (Gamer Card)- Live has a better freinds list integration, the PSN just got "Trophies" which is like Lives "Achievements" but where as every 360 game has "achievements" only one game currently has them and only a had full of the currently library will be patched to add them. Every game after January 1st is suppose to be mandatory from then on to have them.
Live also you can look at all the games your freinds have played and also look at thier freinds list and see thier information. The PSN doesn't have that yet, and there have been no talk as to when/if we will get that.
Live also has better web integration, where you can post your gamer card and show off your information. Sony is starting thier own, my sig has thier current card, the trophy information will be out by the "Holiday Season".
3) More content on the Store/Marketplace - Live has more content as well as more Arcade games, but Sony isn't lacking here and they do have a good PSN Downloadable game library as well as some exclusive content comming out in the next few months.
That's really about it, so like I said, Live is better but NOT "a million times better".
The PSN still has a ace up it's sleave called "Home" and the Live Avatars are nothing like "Home". Home is the real face of the PSN and hopefully it will be out this fall. I know two beta testers and they said they are getting new content to test every day and there is a lot of developers that are getting into making stuff for home. EA has really taking a shine and there is going to be a Madden Zone!!
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Tell me what was Lives capabilities in it's first two years?
it was quite good, especially for a console that is no longer in service.
i see what you're trying to get at, but technology now, and technology when xbox live came out is quite different.
please don't use that argument. it doesn't work.
It does work, this is Sony's first real crack at an itegrated network, it's in its first two years, where as Live on the 360 was an extention of Live on the Xbox. You just can't expect Sony to have some thing that rivals an established product like Live on Launch day. It's taking time.
So I'll use that argument when ever I want, because it's valid.
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I know this has gotten a little off topic from comparing the two systems in general to comparing their online capabilities. I'll try to cover both.
I think that the PS3 is the better system with the 360 having better games. PS3 has the sixaxis controllers and can (not certain about this) support more controllers. If you would be to compare the two systems on an HDTV you would see that the PS3 has much better graphics. The PS3 has blue-ray.
On to the internet. Xbox live is better than Playstation Network, but as has already been pointed out, the PSN is free. The main difference for me between the two systems is that on Live you can have more than one person playing on the same account. If you can do this on the PS3, I haven't figured out how. Actually, I could do this on NBA 2K8 but that was the only game that I know of. Also, the PS3 comes wireless capable. You have to buy this seperately from the 360.
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If you would be to compare the two systems on an HDTV you would see that the PS3 has much better graphics. The PS3 has blue-ray.
Ive seent hem both, and rarely have I seena difference, the times I have its favored the XBox.
Also countless comparisons on Gamespot Ive read show the same thing, either the games graphics are virtually the same, or a slight edge to XBox.
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I've seem them both as well, and I think that PS3 definitely has the better graphics.
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for all the people saying Microsoft will have to make a system sooner then they want to is stupid .I have heard on multiple pod casts that i listen to ,that are from people in the gaming industry, that they are just fine. The technology hasent even improved enough to make it even that much better then it already is ( also on the game websites) its not like going from super nintendo to nintendo type of deal or even ps2 to ps3 type of deal if they were to do it soon. The 5 year system is a joke now basically they will last longer. I Have also read that in 2011-12 is when there new one is going to come out which is a long time away. every gamespot .com graphics comparison has the 360 winning every round the system is fine. Ps3 is a great system but to say that its better then the 360 is stupid to say. they are both on the same level with pros and cons. god of war 3 was the ONLY title exclusive to the ps3 that i would want compared to a bunch on the 360. to discourage someone from one system is stupid. they are basically the same system to the game developers everyone needs to realize this.
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I've seem them both as well, and I think that PS3 definitely has the better graphics.
i would love for you to point out whats better. Go to the Gamespot comparisons and show what makes the PS3 graphics definitely better.
you must have some crazy superpower vision.
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wait a minute, when did i ever say that xbox live was "a million times better" than the psn?
i said it was not in the class of xbox live, but that does not mean "a million times better"
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i also doubt that the consumer reports that i was told about were from the first year, considering the person works with electronic arts, and i'm pretty sure everything there is up to date.
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I think PS3 has better graphics. Many other people think PS3 has better graphics. I have my opinion. You have yours. No need to go and say I must have "crazy superpower vision".
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I think PS3 has better graphics. Many other people think PS3 has better graphics. I have my opinion. You have yours. No need to go and say I must have "crazy superpower vision".
Well your obviously seeing something different, because the graphics on the 360 and the PS3 are virtually the same up to this point, but you claim that the PS3 is DEFINITELY better, Id love for you to point out where.
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i can't tell much of a difference, i do know that sports games run at a better framerate on the 360, but honestly, i don't see any difference
i played a demo of nhl 08 on the ps3 and it looked awful compared to the 360, but that was because not all their demos aren't presented in 1080
i can't tell much of a difference in terms of graphics
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i can't tell much of a difference, i do know that sports games run at a better framerate on the 360, but honestly, i don't see any difference
i played a demo of nhl 08 on the ps3 and it looked awful compared to the 360, but that was because not all their demos aren't presented in 1080
i can't tell much of a difference in terms of graphics
Thats because, for the most part, up until this point, there isnt. Anyone who tries to say that one system or the other has MUCH better graphics or one system is DEFINITELY better is making stuff up, or has super power vision.
man I wish I had super power vision.
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i do know that sports games run at a better framerate on the 360,
I know that for last years Madden and NCAA the framerate was half the rate on PS3 than it was on 360, but I believe that this year, the PS3 has the same framerate.
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wait a minute, when did i ever say that xbox live was "a million times better" than the psn?
i said it was not in the class of xbox live, but that does not mean "a million times better"
I never said you personally said this, but someone else did and when I was responding to them you jumped in and started arguing with me over it.
If you go back and read the thread then you will understand the whole "million times" comment.
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i also doubt that the consumer reports that i was told about were from the first year, considering the person works with electronic arts, and i'm pretty sure everything there is up to date.
Firmware 2.41 isn't even a month old, I doubt they have much consumer reports.
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well, that's one thing we can agree on, while i do think xbox live is better, it isn't a million times better, and anyone who has played both would realize that...
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that's what charlie frye lacked.
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i do know that sports games run at a better framerate on the 360,
I know that for last years Madden and NCAA the framerate was half the rate on PS3 than it was on 360, but I believe that this year, the PS3 has the same framerate.
You are correct, last year the PS3 versions only ran at 30fps and the 360's versions ran at 60fps. This year both consoles will run at 60fps. The biggest reason is they switch to making the PS3 the lead platform in development to cut down development time.
It's much easier to build the game on the PS3 and port it to the 360 than it is to do the other way. EA was having issues porting the 360 version onto the PS3 last year and that was the reason it was only 30fps. They said they could get it to 60fps, but they would of had to start almost from scratch on the game and they didn't want to spend the money on it when the install base a year ago was around 2 million in the US.
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that's what charlie frye lacked.
Maybe he needs the Lasik, like our boy Jhonny P. Oh wait, that hasnt helped him? damn, oh well, ill keep eating my carrots.
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If you would be to compare the two systems on an HDTV you would see that the PS3 has much better graphics. The PS3 has blue-ray.
Ive seent hem both, and rarely have I seena difference, the times I have its favored the XBox.
Also countless comparisons on Gamespot Ive read show the same thing, either the games graphics are virtually the same, or a slight edge to XBox.
I've seen those comparisons on Gamespot as well. They did favor the 360 in the beginning, but the last comparison I saw had them pretty even, with I think a game in each of their favor. And remember, a lot of those earlier games were being made on the 360's dev kit, where a lot of them now are using the PS3.
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If you would be to compare the two systems on an HDTV you would see that the PS3 has much better graphics. The PS3 has blue-ray.
Ive seent hem both, and rarely have I seena difference, the times I have its favored the XBox.
Also countless comparisons on Gamespot Ive read show the same thing, either the games graphics are virtually the same, or a slight edge to XBox.
I've seen those comparisons on Gamespot as well. They did favor the 360 in the beginning, but the last comparison I saw had them pretty even, with I think a game in each of their favor. And remember, a lot of those earlier games were being made on the 360's dev kit, where a lot of them now are using the PS3.
And thats fine, im not saying the PS3's graphics wont be better in the future.
I just think its funny when someone tries to say that the PS3 graphics are better, or even that the 360 graphics are better, as of right now, there really isnt much of a difference, except for a game here and a game there maybe.
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2119, lolz @ super power vision
that's what charlie frye lacked.
Maybe he needs the Lasik, like our boy Jhonny P. Oh wait, that hasnt helped him? damn, oh well, ill keep eating my carrots.
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2119, lolz @ super power vision
that's what charlie frye lacked.
Maybe he needs the Lasik, like our boy Jhonny P. Oh wait, that hasnt helped him? damn, oh well, ill keep eating my carrots.
my vision is tweny tweny
The best is the lasik commercial with Jhonny promoting the surgery, cant understand a word he says, its great.
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I don't really see how LIVE is any better, I've played LIVE and I've played PSN and it looks very similar. People who own the Ps3 will say PSN is better and vice versa.
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I don't really see how LIVE is any better, I've played LIVE and I've played PSN and it looks very similar. People who own the Ps3 will say PSN is better and vice versa.
i'm not going to go through it again, but i own both and in my opinion, i enjoy live a lot better
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jc heres something i found i knew i saw this before http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/03/developer-claims-ps3-360-graphics-impossible-to-tell-apart/Developer: PS3, 360 graphics "impossible to tell apart" 86 Comments by Blake Snow May 3rd 2006 8:00AM Filed under: Sony PlayStation 3, Microsoft Xbox 360 In response to what it's like to program and design The Darkness (FPS) for both Xbox 360 and PS3, Chronicles of Riddick developer had this to say: "The PS3 will have a content size [and] CPU advantage... The Xbox360 has a slight GPU advantage... I expect that it will be near impossible to tell Xbox360 and PS3 screenshots apart." Hopefully that keeps everyone happy.
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I think both systems are great. The questions you need to ask yourself are....
1. Do I want the blu ray player? If so the answer is easy. Buy a PS3.
2. Which games do I want? Based on this question you really may only have one choice.
Otherwise I don't think you can go wrong with either system. You will get great graphics and game play from both.
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