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As much as anyone on here..lol
I'm on a computer all day..acess to net..I work business phone accounts..kinda boring ..
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Nice... you read into my post whatever you want so you can justify belittling to feel superior. You talk about discussing football, but what you're really doing here is nothing more than slinging insults. I really thought you had more class. I wasn't throwing Bernie in the mud to make DA look better... my opinion on Bernie was formed 20 years ago, I was pointing it out here because you brought up his merits and I was discussing the irrational nature of the fan in general. You don't like my opinion of him, fine, I don't give a rat's patootie. Seriously. I've felt the way I've felt about Bernie for a long time, there's nothing revisionist about it. If you want to ignore the facts and create your own revisionist history, putting him out there as a great QB, be my guest. That doesn't change the fact that his production fell off after his second year, or that he was immobile or that he consistently got passes batted in his face. Miscount of the history of the franchise? What does that even mean? Bernie's contributions? I mentioned his four playoff years... what else am I missing here? I said it can be argued Bernie had more weapons in his second year, not better... I was talking about Mack, Byner, Slaughter, Brennen, Langhorn and Newsome -vs- BE, Winslow, Joe J. & Jamal. Apparently you don't understand the difference between more and better. More is quantitative, better is qualitative. It has nothing to do with who will end up in the HOF.  This has nothing to do with revisionist history, no one was asking you to debate it, but if you are going to, at least debate the correct subject. This wasn't about defending DA, it was about your insistence that I was comparing the two. I wasn't, but I agreed to compare their second years (playing) because that was the only fair comparison. I also gave Bernie the edge in that comparison. Guess you missed that part, like you've seemed to have missed so much about my posts. Apparently it's far more convenient for you to make your insults dressed as arguments if you ignore what I've actually written. Here, rather than allow you to blather inanely about something you partially quoted, I'm going to quote it for you. Maybe you'll get it on a second reading and I can save some time by not having to rewrite: Quote:
I WASN'T COMPARING THEM. (<--- Get this part here? See?)
It was a commentary on the blind irrationality of fans. As I've said, TWICE NOW, I'll be happy to compare them in seven years or so. (<--- Notice this sentence? It's not about defending DA.)
But if you want to take a look at their second years, (PLAYING) be my guest. In '86, Bernie probably had his best year, declining in most categories, particularly wins and losses, every year after. It can be argued he had more weapons at his disposal. It can also be argued he had a better D, giving him more time on the field. (<--- Check this out, you want to talk football, are you saying he didn't decline every year after his second? Exactly what football are you wanting to talk here?)
Overall, I'd say Bernie wins that year because of his W/L record and the trip to the playoffs. DA gets the edge in TDs (32 -vs- 17).
But this means nothing. I'm more interested in seeing a body of work over 7-8 years before I compare them. (<--- Notice how I'm willing to wait for a proper comparison, not defending DA or anyone?)
Personally, for me, Bernie was nothing but a disappointment who couldn't get past Denver because of his shortcomings and physical limitations. But he's a hero in Cleveland because he took us to the playoffs four years in a row. Somehow, for most, his mental acuity and touch outweigh his lack of mobility and poor sidearm delivery. Well, I haven't forgotten those AFC Championship games, those losses, or all the cringing I did whenever I saw a ball get smacked right back at him. He didn't improve over the course of his years, his production fell off, he never got more mobile or improved his technique, yet here in year two, we're supposed to be concerned about DA's arc and his touch, even though he is working to improve all areas of his game. (<--- Again, my personal commentary on the irrationality of fans, which by the way, thank you for demonstrating so illustriously.  )
Frankly, as I've stated repeatedly, I think the whole thing is silly and irrational and that was my point. (<---See, I even point out the point I was making so it would be clear to you. I'm sorry it didn't help).
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Thanks guys...she's doing better ..just a long process..I'll talk more when I feel she's o.k..
Glad to hear she's doing better.
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" Someone gets a little touchy when BS is called on his BS."
Sorry but your delusions have carried over from observing DA to that of your posts. You called me on nothing and proved nothing except to state that when I post and am accurate and you are wrong...time to pull out the arrogant card and let everyone know that I'm brilliant in a sarcastic manner as if I'm a one man ego trip.
I don't talk down to you - I'm debating you. But when you are losing a debate one will generally go on the "YOU'RE PICKING ON ME" routine. Again you have not proved me wrong in one minute area. But claim victory in this debate... 
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24 out of the top 25 QBs in 2007 had 60+ completion pct. in 1990 only 3 out of all of the rated QBs.
OK .. you can have Jay Cutler, John Kitna, Matt Hasselback, Vince Young, Damon Huard, Joey Harrington, Brian Griese, Kyle Boller, and Tavaris Jackson ..
I'll call this one an unintentional mistake cause I know you are a stand up guy. But when I say Top 25 QBs I go by QB rating not yardage. So I know Vince Young and Tavaris Jackson are not in that top 25 list. But you still are missing the point. Oh btw you would want DA over Cutler? In our Offense with our OL and our weapons...lol  ya kidding me aren't you? And this is where it gets weird...just how many of those QBs would have different results IN OUR SYSTEM, WITH OUR OL, WITH OUR WEAPONS??? I mean we kinda know Harrington and Boller are pretty much failures, but would they be in our system? Griese is a step above Holcomb not a great QB, would he succeed here? But there are a couple of QBs with futures in the NFL in Young and Cutler. I don't think Young would fit as well as Cutler in our system...but Cutler would be unbelieveable...and that is where I have to step back and say Woah, just what do we have in DA is he a Cutler? He doesn't come close and Cutler can throw those 20+ passes just as good as DA and hit the short check down as well...and when the pocket breaks down against great defenses...he would be able to make the D pay and that is what breaks a good D's back against great offenses. That is the intangible that lost us a Championship against Denver with Elway...we played great D and he broke our backs! But we see it all the time with the Champions...Giants SB victory was defined by what play? Eli escaping a rush and completing that long pass to Tyree.
"If completion percentage is so all mighty, and the end all-be all of QBing ."
See this is where its going to get ugly and you will cry and claim I think I'm superior to you. Waahhhh! I never said what you claimed above and trying to make that the case is totally grasping at straws...or possibly you just don't have an in depth knowledge of some simplicies of the game and just are doing that cause you simply don't know what you're talking about.
There are a lot of tangibles making up a Franchise QB. But if you are going to sit here and state that ACCURACY is not an important one if not the MOST IMPORTANT variable that you want in your NFL QB. Then go ahead and stand on that leg. But it would be totally ignorant of the position.
And that is what I'm talking about. I could care less about Harrington, Jackson and others. The debate is DA and the deficiency that stand between He and that of a Legit Franchise QB is ACCURACY... the showing of a FACT that out of the top QB rated QBs top 24 DA is the only one under 60% completion pct. Thats not a stat its a fact that sticks out like a sore thumb to PROVE to slow football minds that DA does in deed have a BIG, BIG area to improve on.
"Not at all .... and I didn't once insult you. Your argument was conjecture and opinion wrapped up in fact's clothing. That doesn't make it fact anymore than sheep's clothing makes a wolf a sheep."
 btw this was you stating that you weren't being insulting...lol Foot meet mouth. What a load of Garbage...oh and thanks for bringing football into the argument. So the FACT that DA is abnormally INACCURATE for a starting QB in the NFL is Sheep's Clothing...lol Go ahead and live in your little fantasy world.
"Our offense also was not a "west coast" style offense. It was an attacking, down the field offense. That is a lower completion style of passing offense by its very nature."
I'm glad you brought that up cause it fits right into your delusion 
1. Every offense in the NFL has some form of the WCO in it...Including ours.
2. DA's completion % is derived from the FACT??? that he threw so many long passes...ergo 3 pointers % is judged differently than 2 pointers? This is a LIE, or a Mistated fact...choose your poison - but lets just say IT AIN'T THE TRUTH!
DA's completion % negatives comes from his 10 yard and under record of 50% it is here that there is a vast disparity from the rest of the NFL QBs Its his % of his LAY UPs that brings him down not 3 pointers - Wake up and stop basing your opinion on a complete FALICY...this is why you have lost this debate.
I give you FACTs and you base yours on FALICY.
"Anyway ...... I'm gonna enjoy watching one helluva prolific offense this year ..... and you can lament whatever it is you want to."
And this is where I continue to get angry at you...you didn't spell it out but you are trying to state that YOU ARE A BETTER FAN THAN I cause you choose to back DA without questions...and I choose to back him with questions.
Why would I lament as a Browns fan if we have a prolific offense this year?
Your - I'm a better fan than you - is a low class piece of argument in this debate. Hope you are proud! 
I'm through with you. You can fantasize all you want but I owned you in this debate  I'll try not to respond to your next volley of insults as you have nothing else to stand on. So if I'm silent don't take that as a victory
later and as always JMHO
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I posted this before and it got met with a lot of heat but here it is again..
QBs P&A CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Derek Pass Att. 1-10 81 160 1028 50.6 6.4 78 6 9 0 60.1
Brees Pass Att. 1-10 106 160 1178 66.3 7.4 52 7 6 0 86.9
T. Brady Pass Att. 1-10 111 160 1341 69.4 8.4 63 11 0 0 118
P. Manning Pass Att. 1-10 103 160 1137 64.4 7.1 48 9 2 0 98.9
Big Ben Pass Att. 1-10 102 150 1212 68 8.1 83 12 5 0 105
Cutler Pass Att. 1-10 101 154 1273 65.6 8.3 49 9 3 0 103
Rivers Pass Att. 1-10 99 160 1187 61.9 7.4 49 5 6 0 79.4
DA had one of the lowest completion % for the 1-10 yard range..thats horrible.
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What's truly amazing - almost in an unbelievable way is that 5 on that list all had 160 attempts exactly???
Back to the stat...it was 30% of all the throws DA made - it was the disparity separating him from other QBs.
It was also 47% of all his INTs - made on 30% of his passes. Again if this doesn't smack a DA is all good theory down the drain I don't know what does. Again can he improve??? I've stated where its easiest for him to improve and with hard work (which he is a hard worker) he should. I've also stated the footwork area and there we are. Just one series against the Jets and I see him have to move laterally and make a check down dump off to Lewis that is Inaccurate and incomplete. We'll see. I'm Positive without Improvement in this area we can destroy-beat all the teams with weak defenses. But Playoffs, Championships - we need him to improve here. Nothing would make me more happier. I just wish to see it...not just WISH IT TRUE!
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i'm not the biggest DA supporter in the world, but i have to come to his defense with the completion percentage thing
the guy had to throw a lot last year, it's no secret we had one of the worst defenses in the league, when you are forced to score at least 3-4 touchdowns a game, you are going to throw a lot, hence the incompletions and interceptions
i have a feeling that he will be much improved this year, and so will his numbers, on top of him being one year old into the chudzinski system, he's also playing on a team that will be better defensively, i don't know how much better, but i believe they will be more improved
i don't think derek anderson is the greatest quarterback in the world, but i think he's the right guy for the team right now..
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Watching him just throw screens to Jamaal, it was like the most difficult pass U'd ever seen anyone thrown
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i'm not the biggest DA supporter in the world, but i have to come to his defense with the completion percentage thing
the guy had to throw a lot last year, it's no secret we had one of the worst defenses in the league, when you are forced to score at least 3-4 touchdowns a game, you are going to throw a lot, hence the incompletions and interceptions
But to counter this argument, he had less attempts than Brady, Eli, Favre, Brees Hasselbeck and Palmer...
And I would also contend that some of our deficits that he needed to throw his way out of... were largely his creation through early INTs and just generally poor starts... So does he get credit for having to overcome his own problems? I don't know.
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i'm not the biggest DA supporter in the world, but i have to come to his defense with the completion percentage thing
the guy had to throw a lot last year, it's no secret we had one of the worst defenses in the league, when you are forced to score at least 3-4 touchdowns a game, you are going to throw a lot, hence the incompletions and interceptions
But to counter this argument, he had less attempts than Brady, Eli, Favre, Brees Hasselbeck and Palmer...
And I would also contend that some of our deficits that he needed to throw his way out of... were largely his creation through early INTs and just generally poor starts... So does he get credit for having to overcome his own problems? I don't know.
you can argue both sides of that and probably be right (or wrong)
it just seemed like even though we finished 10-6, we were constantly losing in games...
it's just my opinion, but i think he will be better this year, with the defense being better, jamal and the offensive line become a bigger factor, which takes some pressure off derek
i do want to see big improvement from him, sometimes i think all of our views are influenced by our recent past... DA looked like a freaking superstar last year compared to what we have had over the past 8 years...
he can get a lot better...
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Derek Pass Att. 1-10 81 160 1028 50.6 6.4 78 6 9 0 60.1
Brees Pass Att. 1-10 106 160 1178 66.3 7.4 52 7 6 0 86.9
T. Brady Pass Att. 1-10 111 160 1341 69.4 8.4 63 11 0 0 118
P. Manning Pass Att. 1-10 103 160 1137 64.4 7.1 48 9 2 0 98.9
Big Ben Pass Att. 1-10 102 150 1212 68 8.1 83 12 5 0 105
Cutler Pass Att. 1-10 101 154 1273 65.6 8.3 49 9 3 0 103
Rivers Pass Att. 1-10 99 160 1187 61.9 7.4 49 5 6 0 79.4
DA had one of the lowest completion % for the 1-10 yard range..thats horrible.
That's not 1-10 yard range tacker...
It's the 1st 10 attempts every game...
The dude that put that up was trying to show how slow he started games and improved beyond that...
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No it is for the 1-10 yd range.. the box below it shows 11-20yd range then he shows the 21-30yd range..go look at it again.
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After reading posts and reply's here, including my own, we have much more room for improvement than DA does...
What is truly amazing is what the expectations of many here are for a QB that has 17 or 18 starts in his NFL career... The overall view of a guy with prototypical NFL size and skill set who was a late second day, late round draft pick and waiver wire pick up, whom has been behind the likes of QB's Kyle Boller, Charlie Fye on depth charts. There are a number of reasons DA has been on the path he's on over the last 3-4 seasons... He was drafted where he was for the reasons we are seeing... But... Look what DA and the rest of the unproven offensive team did, with a new O scheme, new O-cord, rebuilt O-Line, a rejuvenated veteran RB with ???'s about him and how much gas was left in the tank, a talented young WR and TE whom had not yet lived up to their PO... What a great year it was and how fun it was to win again...
Now back to the regularly scheduled QB BS and poo...
Most every single one of us were or are worng about DA... Without exception...
What can we expect to accomplish here with this continual drivel about he should do this, he can't do that, he'de better improve this, I said this and I said that...??? Nothing... Many have written many things accurate and not accurate... Many are still worried only about worring and they can't or wont't let it go. What a wawte of time and energy... IMO. Many are impatient and focused only on an agenda... It's preseason... nothing matters until the bullets stat to fly on opening day... The stats on DA's second drive of the 3rd quarter of the 2007 season don't mean didly now...
I'm positive that if our D does not stop the run this year, or pressure the opposing QB on a consistant basis, or can't get off the field on 3rd downs our Browns won't beat a single playoff/caliber team. It won't be solely because DA is not as accurate as you think he should on short yardage passing attempts...
Let's support our team and the players and enjoy the joy of the unexpected and new exciting season... I want to watch 2008 unfold and not worry something that I have no control of or impact on...
"If one worries about something long and hard enough, what one worries about can become reality... Unknown...
Whether it's your own precieved reality or not... IMO
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"After reading posts and reply's here, including my own, we have much more room for improvement than DA does."
Oh Geesh Edith what are you talking about
"What is truly amazing is what the expectations of many here are for a QB that has 17 or 18 starts in his NFL career."
I expect him to be accurate with HIGH PERCENTAGE SHORT PASSES like every QB in the NFL are expected to - you are trying to tell me this is too much to expect.  come on just a little common sense please.
"What a great year it was and how fun it was to win again."
Nobody's taking that away...not a one. And he's being rewarded - He got a decent contract and a one year grace period to show us that he is THE ONE and he's getting every opportunity afforded by the organization. BQ isn't even getting a sniff at a competition. He has a green light and I have said he earned it.
The Opportunity...not the status of achievement which you wish us to give him. Achievement of already showing us he is THE ONE. That will be decided for sure after this season.
"What can we expect to accomplish here with this continual drivel about he should do this, he can't do that, he'de better improve this, I said this and I said that...??? Nothing."
So basically you're saying we should not talk about our Browns at all. Unless it is in a positive stature? I don't get it. Or is it just DA we cannot be critical of. Who gets to decide who we can talk about improvements and what to look for. Does this mean I was correct on all my insights and because it can't accomplish anything in the real world regarding the Browns we should just - not talk about them sorry, you're losing me.
"I'm positive that if our D does not stop the run this year, or pressure the opposing QB on a consistant basis, or can't get off the field on 3rd downs our Browns won't beat a single playoff/caliber team."
And in the long run what does that observation accomplish. Surely you're not saying its OK to critique the improvements needed on the Defense but not on our starting QB???
But you are correct. To be considered a Championship team and compete within the hard schedule we have drawn in 08 we will need to improve on our ability to stop the run and develop a Pass Rush...without a doubt. And there is hope we did that but more so the D is an 11 man effort. Hopefully the 2 Pro-Bowl caliber DLmen we added will help immensly that and the expected maturity of a lot of our young starters.
On Offense...we have that maturity thing also to look forward to. But no position on the Defense equals that of QB to the Offense. So its not apples to apples in that regard. DA is young...DA had imperfections...DA did not have a good 2nd half of the year. I understand the opportunity to PROVE HIMSELF...but I don't understand the Gaga over him. He didn't play that well from all that I saw.
He needs to improve and this happens to be a debate about DA specifically and where else do I talk about this. I don't carry an agenda post on every subject like some who will remain nameless. Its a DA thread. I've mentioned many positives and many things to look forward to in his play. I've pointed out something I have seen in his play. Instead of noting in and actually observing his Preseason play and call me on it or agree with me. I'm told don't talk about it all in the name of KISMET??? lol
Come on now this is a Message board...not a Quiji board.
All I ask is look to see if he's improved with his footwork and accuracy when forced to move laterally withing the pocket. That's all. If you think thats not important for an NFL QB to have that prowess - go ahead and make your case. I think its an absolute necessity to beat the good teams.
JMHO - or am I not allowed to have one now cause its not Kool Aid??? I don't get it.
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No it is for the 1-10 yd range.. the box below it shows 11-20yd range then he shows the 21-30yd range..go look at it again.
Deep breath bud...
Isn't it strange that there are numerous QB's in that list that have 160 Attempts???
1-10 Attempts...16 games...160...
Anderson played all 16 games and had over 10 per game...
It's ATTEMPTS... 
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All I ask is look to see if he's improved with his footwork and accuracy when forced to move laterally withing the pocket.
REAL early yet...But definitely worth watching...
Thursday...Anderson threw just a couple shorter passes...Other than the ones to Lewis...But the others to Stallworth were WAY BETTER than what we saw last year at any point...
He actually LED em' and didn't throw at his feet or behind em'...
Worth watching 4 sure...And THAT was a MAJOR kink in the 2007 edition of DA...Regardless of what VERS says...lol...
He fixes that and he's taken a HUGE LEAP... 
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Your last sentance works for me. I agree with your statement 110% I didnt write or tell you or anyone else for that matter that you or anyone else had to do or couldn't write anything... So drop the weak suck insinuation & over exageration... I wrote what I wrote... It was not unclear...  When you requote use the whole quote... Nut shell, you keep pounding on the same thing and we have seen the Browns against the Jets in preseason... ?  So is this enough time for you to judge or continue your footwork and accurancy worries? Hell no it isn't... But you keep spewing endless, useless crap... I have told/shown you numerous times and recomended many as well to go and see some tape/tech on DA from college and the Rats... You'll see what he was and what he is at this point... DA has never been accurate... He may never be as accurate as you want... He doesn't need to be... Eotab, you can't sqweeze blood out of a rock... So quit trying... When you pee in the wind and you get wet it aint rain... Name the posters on here than think and have written that DA is a franchize QB and on his way to the HOF??? Who on here has told you directly that they are totally sold on DA and have no concerns about him or his areas to improve in? Name the folks on here or on the Browns board that feel that DA is the next Montana, Unitas, Namath, Young, Starr, Aikman, Bradshaw? Maybe you should drink the  aid... Any thing to end the constant well, but if, and or but, maybe, if only, maybe never, must or else, becasue I said CRAP!!!
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Dnd I'm not sure that would even be logical..we're looking at DA's completion percentages from various throws..short/intermediate /long.. http://www.nfl.com/players/derekanderson/situationalstats?id=AND180512It still adds up.. In the 1-10yd range he was 50.6% 160attps 81 competions In the 11-20yd range he was 63.9% 158attps 101 completions In the 21-30yd range he was 55.4% 121attps 67 completions In the 31+ range he was 55.7% 88 attps 49 completions His total attps for the season were 527 total completions were 298..it adds up. But look in the att and completion column and you'll see HOW MANY attempts and completions he had in each yardage range.
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Nut shell, you keep pounding on the same thing and we have seen the Browns against the Jets in preseason... ? So is this enough time for you to judge or continue your footwork and accurancy worries? Hell no it isn't... But you keep spewing endless, useless crap...
Now this REALLY cracks me up!
How many months has he been working on these "issues"? We shouldn't expect to see "improvement"?
Here's what we "can do". It's called "looking for tendencies" in DA. Is it "proof of anything" in the big picture? No, it's really not.
But what it does do, is give you glimpses of what his "tendencies are". Each and every time a player "plays", you can look at his game. You can see if he looks better. If he "tends to" break old habits, improves in certain areas, etc....
It's not the "be all end all" of anything. But when you put on a uniform and get on that field, you play the game. And each time you do that, it tells people something.
The passes to Stallworth looked GREAT! Hit him in stride to where if he weren't blanketed, YAC could be incredible! That was a "positive tendency". Does that mean it he will be consistant at it? No. But it shows a "sign for optimism in that department".
Then he turns around and has poor accuracy in his throws to JL. Which sort of made the throws to Stallworth a "wash". Two pretty good short passes, two poor short passes. Results? About like lasy year. 50% accuracy on short throws.
And people can scream till the cows come home. But the pass to BE was TERRIBLE!
So in the "big picture"? It means very little. But it IS "the only thing to this point" we have to gauge him on since last year. And believe it or not That's why we have message boards.
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I think you need more quotation marks in your posts pit.
On to the issue: Has DA improved? Who knows. Does Quinn have enough to unseat DA? Not looking like it, AT THIS POINT.
How can anyone judge DA based on 1 series in a pre season game?
And, back to pit's statement that the pass to BE was terrible......I guess it just shows how far we've come when a known DA basher bashes a TD pass.
Was it perfect? Probably not. But I'm glad he threw it - it WAS a td, after all.
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You can't judge him in any way by that Arch. You can simply look for "tendencies" and evaluate what "he did or did not do" in that instance. The jury is still out by a long shot on DA either way. All we can do is look at what he is doing now, in comparison to what "he did". Still not enough quotation marks for you?
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"DA has never been accurate... He may never be as accurate as you want... He doesn't need to be."
Don't feel like dragging this on...but making that claim doesn't exactly sell me on him. Actually maybe worse than anything I observed and posted about DA. Never been Accurate and Never will be Accurate then sorry I hope he will never be our QB cause he won't be the franchise QB we need.
"He doesn't need to be"
What the heck kind of case is that...well then OK I got your guarantee...lol Every QB needs to be accurate, what are you talking about
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Lucky for us if there is one area a qb can improve, it is the 10 yard pass.
He looked pretty good the other night....one slant was good...a swing that was caught was a poor pass and a good throw wasn't(because it had to be throw early to avoid a sack)
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"no", "you can do better", I've "seen it" "with my" "own" eyes. "yes", "I" "have".
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Dnd I'm not sure that would even be logical..we're looking at DA's completion percentages from various throws..short/intermediate /long..
http://www.nfl.com/players/derekanderson/situationalstats?id=AND180512
It still adds up..
In the 1-10yd range he was 50.6% 160attps 81 competions
In the 11-20yd range he was 63.9% 158attps 101 completions
In the 21-30yd range he was 55.4% 121attps 67 completions
In the 31+ range he was 55.7% 88 attps 49 completions
His total attps for the season were 527 total completions were 298..it adds up.
But look in the att and completion column and you'll see HOW MANY attempts and completions he had in each yardage range.
It is attempts. It even says on the site - Attempts 1-10, Attempts 11-20, and so forth. It says nothing of attempts in the 1-10 yard range.
Using your own stats as well, it adds up for attempts like it does for yard range. If you find all the games where Anderson threw 31+ attempts and add up the total of attempts over 30, it adds up to 88. For example, the Seattle game, he attempts 48 passes, which would make him have 18 over 30 attempts. Doesn't seem odd to you that most of the quarterbacks on that list have exactly 160 attempts in the first listing? What are the odds of all those quarterbacks throwing the exact same number of passes in the 1-10yd range?
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Still not enough quotation marks for you?
"no", "you can do better", I've "seen it" "with my" "own" eyes. "yes", "I" "have".
LOL one of my drinking games if I ever have a beer in my hand when I'm on this site is to drink whenever I read quotes in one of Pit's posts. 
No offense meant towards Pit.
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Still not enough quotation marks for you?
"no", "you can do better", I've "seen it" "with my" "own" eyes. "yes", "I" "have".
LOL one of my drinking games if I ever have a beer in my hand when I'm on this site is to drink whenever I read quotes in one of Pit's posts.
No offense meant towards Pit.
So you are trying to get smashed?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Since when did you decide not to drag this out.... Are you fricken kiiding me...?  Read what I wrote and make sure you understand the literal meaning of the words, before you start with your usual twist, spin and misinternalisations... I'm not selling you anything... Never have tried... You don't meet my criteria as a suspect or a prospect ... So no need to try and sell you... When will you stop spewing your assumptive accusations...? I didn't write that a QB shouldn't be accurate. Different QB's are more accurate than others... DA has never been an accurate QB... Does that suit you better? I clearly wrote that he may never be as accusrate as YOU want... And after seeing him produce last year he doesn't need to be as accurate as you want, for him to be very successful. That is obvious... Don't go mis-quoteing what I wrote... I guaranteed nothing... So stop the crap... And let my Cameron go...
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I'm glad your laughing,,,  It's English... You shoulkd get it... You and others really expect that you should see the areas of improvement that DA needs to make, fixed and addressed in this offseason, camp and by the 1st pre-season game??? You are kidding right???    If so, I'm wasting my time typing right now...Get a clue... What we have to judge DA on is limited play, in the first pre-season game and he look good. But it means nothing because it was the 1st pre-season game, against a average at best Jets D that was playing very vanilla... IMO. So what this really means is didly poo right now... Keep on bangin' the drum man... 
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Boise - there are a certain few that could not care less how good DA is, they want Quinn to be the starter, and nothing DA does will change their mind. Nothing. They will nit pick on everything (like the td pass to b.e. - they say "terrible pass" blah blah blah), yet they forget that it was a touchdown.
They are called Quinn lovers. For some reason, they are 100% sure that Quinn, who has never faced a first team D in a real game - they are convinced he is soooooo much better. They ignore the fact that the coaches, the people that see them in practice and meetings every day, the people that scour tape for hours - yeah, the Quinn lovers ignore all that too.
It gets old, doesn't it? Even if one of the Quinn lovers tries, feebly, but tries to say he doesn't care who the starter is as long as the browns win, and then goes into rants about how terrible DA is.
It shows through to more than just me, doesn't it?
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Hmmm that is possible now that U said that..but I swear it was to show completion %'s in a certain area..oh wellll...too much stress..
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It shows through to more than just me, doesn't it?
What shows through loud and clear are the people so offended and upset that other fans aren't sold on their guy, that they have to call those people "lovers" and liars. That, is what gets old.....
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"He looked pretty good the other night....one slant was good...a swing that was caught was a poor pass and a good throw wasn't(because it had to be throw early to avoid a sack)"
You just don't get it. In a designed short pass...3 step drop and zip - DA has gotten better cause as I said touch can be worked on successfully if the player works hard and nobody can make a case that DA is not a hard worker.
Btw - the Swing pass that you state was a bad pass but was caught - that was a designed swing pass...3 step drop and zing. Well he still needs work on that touch but as mentioned Its not impossible. Its the one that you state should have been caught. Should have? Make that Could Have...but that doesn't make it a good pass. Thrown early to avoid a Sack?...it was 5 seconds and a Check down, yes he had a little pressure and ergo had to MOVE HIS FEET. You go speak to anyone involved with football at any level. HS, College, NFL a QB must be pin point accurate with those passes. He has to get it right on the numbers or else that RB is DEAD TO WATER! Sorry but that was not a good pass and yes it was the one INSTANCE where DA had pressure. Wonder if he will get pressure against a Championship caliber team - Don't you get my worry about him? Especially you the one who claims its SB Champion or bust. Now you are stating you are satisfied with OK that will get us to the playoffs. So what if its probably not good enough to take us to the finish.
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"I didn't write that a QB shouldn't be accurate. Different QB's are more accurate than others... DA has never been an accurate QB... Does that suit you better?"
No you wrote that DA doesn't have to be Accurate - can a more rediculous Orange and Brown glass statement be made on a Pure Football board.
Man - you don't take losing too well do you...lol Now insult me some more and wail away.
Pray tell and I can't wait to read this one. Why oh why does DA not have to be accurate like every freakin Championship QB I've seen in the last how many SB's - Dilfer can't be your battle cry. Can you see DA making that breakdown and rollout to the right and throwing that "ACCURATE" pass to Clark like Montana did to get the 49er dynasty going. Nahhh, sorry all I see is that pass going 10 feet over his head out of the endzone or worse yet thrown low and behind him only to get INT'd.
But tell me again why and how we can win a Championship without a QB who is accurate and can actually make a pass out of the pocket that isn't choreographed? We can't rely on our WRs making one sick catch after another.
Sure your answer is for us to have a Top 5 D that turns it on and plays like the #1 D in the playoffs. Yeah okay, but then what QB can't win with that. I just don't get the statement that he doesn't have to be accurate. And the crapola garbage about him being a great Gunslinger throwing it downfield makes it so is just that CRAPOLA...we Ain't going to be playing the Bengal's D in the playoffs
amazing simply amaizing
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It shows through to more than just me, doesn't it?
What shows through loud and clear are the people so offended and upset that other fans aren't sold on their guy, that they have to call those people "lovers" and liars. That, is what gets old.....
Your just QB controversy lover.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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"It gets old, doesn't it? Even if one of the Quinn lovers tries, feebly, but tries to say he doesn't care who the starter is as long as the browns win, and then goes into rants about how terrible DA is."
If thats how you feel about my posting say it to my face but leave out all the insults and NON-Football crapola you just spewed and simply DEBATE me on it.
Ytown...thank you for trying to make it a debate. At least you took the football route and that was a pleasure. But see the above post by Archi...thats what I'm talking about regarding a debate without any football. And for him to question my fandom and to state that I don't truly care about how well the Browns do cause I'm a player fan not a Brown's fan. Is a piece of low down garbage. 
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You just don't get it
That's always the way to start a football discussion. Funny how you were moaning about crapola on your next post.
The one pass that hit Lewis in the pads before he was looking....how much longer could DA have held the ball without getting sacked?? Looked to me he held it about as long as he could have. Is it possible Lewis looked around a bit late???
I know...I just don't get it.
I don't have replay and only saw it once...I am starting tho think that was a screen play.
At any rate, since I don't get it, I won't waste any more of your time.
It's going to be fun reading all the expert commentary on why Anderson isn't getting it done. Makes for a entertaining read.
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