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I personally hope Quinn plays well. I have never been shy in advocating I would rather see Quinn as the starter..I feel he gives us the best chance to win "moving forward down the road"
Anderson may be "slightly better" right now...but he doesn't have Quinn's potential....
I want to see Anderson do well, i really do...but what the kid has in talent with that arm is negated by his decision making....when Anderson is on he is on, but when he is bad, he is downright awful..look at the Cincy game last year
I'll Never forgive DA for that game...DA had no pressure from the Bengals D on him, our Ol gave him plenty of time...all those INTS were DA's fault..thats all on him
that proved to me the kid can't handle pressure...he folded...plain and simple...the kid cracked...he's not primetime material....Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, they win that game....I don't think Brady Quinn loses that game either
Look at ND since Quinn left...their god awful
What Quinn gives you over Da is this.
1: Quinn "will not" single handily lose a game for you. Quinn don't make dumb throws, the kid doesn't try to force things that simply aren't there.
2. Quinn is a truse student of the game, the kid is smart, reads his progressions quickly and takes what the D gives him. Quinn was known in college for not throwing alot of interceptions
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Anderson has alot of talent too, don't get me wrong. but Andersons main shortcomings are
1. He takes too many risks and force the ball...he throws balls that shouldn't be thrown and this caught up with him in the Cincy game last year..you can't do that in this league. Remember when he got picked off in the Endzone Against N.E in the 1st quarter? Jason Wright was wide open in the flat and instead Anderson forces the ball to BE who was triple covered and got picked off...that is the type of stuff im talking about...Quinn would not have made that throw because he is "smart enough" to know not to do that.
2. Anderson has no tough on his short passing game, Andersons short passing game is awful...the Steelers exposed him...Anderson struggles when teams play a 2 deep cover 2 zone and force him to throw underneath...he struggled hard against the Steelers in the 2nd half of that game because he couldn't thorw the short underneath stuff to move the chains to save his life.
Anderson will struggle this year...i just hope Romeo has the sense that if Anderson falters big time in the 1st game, the 2nd game at the latest to yank the kid and put in Quinn so we can win some football games...we had an easy schedule last year
Anderson has not shown me he has improved on that short passing game at all...he is still struggling with it..the 6-11 yard passing game in the NFL is the bread and butter..if you cna't complete 65% of those passes..your not worthy to be a QB..those are the passes you have to be able to get consistently..look at Brady, Manning, that is their bread and butter...Anderson has yet to prove to anyone he can do this...
Quinn proved it last year in his drive against San Fran in the reg season, and has proved it in the preseason
Quinn may not have "as strong" of an arm as DA..most QB'S don't have DA's arm..but Quinn's is strong enough to get the job done....
just remember i said this...DA will struggle this year....just a matter of when not if...his short passing game and bad decison making and forcing the ball into triple coverages will be his undoing...he got lucky alot of times last year....DA hasn't won a game against a team with a willing record...remember that...
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I figure as long as Quinn isn't a Drink and Drunk passer, I have no issues, as long as we have more points on the scoreboard after 60 minutes of football than the other team.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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just clicking...I know this thread has not got much more life into it. But wanted to skip all the agenda crapola stuff - besides too many take it too seriously, Ytown you better not be PO'd at me all freakin year 
But dink and dunk is usually a product of pressure. If a team brings it on and don't take care of the back end you can beat them deep with one on one coverage. Most who play us take care of the back end now and leave the underneath as a "BEAT ME" area. I won't even go into disecting DA...I'll do that on a DA thread but we are suppose to be talking about BQ.
Case in point the last game against the Giants. After DA went down BQ came in the next series and I'm almost certain that we brought in our 2nd OL. BQ went 3 n out and showed that Dink n Dunk stuff. But we couldn't run.
Then we brought the first OL back in for his 2nd series...the long drive TD series. BQ looked like a different QB he had time for patterns to develop he made 2 very DAesque throws on deep outs to the right - first to Steptoe than the 2nd to Sanders which btw was beautiful cause it was right on the money over the Corner who had excellent coverage.
The bomb for a TD I didn't like and it wasn't for a lack of arm strength it was a good decision and a bad one. Good decision cause Steptoe had a step on the DB - bad cause he thought he had a gun so that he didn't have to plant correctly and he threw that off the back foot (all arm) and came up just a yard short maybe less. But that toss should have been INT'd - Don't know why they don't Crow hop and throw on that kind of play??? but although dangerous because of blind pursuit in that case he had time to plant the right leg and let loose...in hindsight I understand why he would not. But he showed to me he has the arm to make the difficult deep out pass (hardest throw in the NFL...not the bomb) - Thats the throw Holcomb could not make, TC and others. The throw that makes DA a positive. And now we know BQ can make the same throw.
I've heard from some DA supporters that our playbook would have to be revised with BQ in it. Sorry, I don't see that. He can make those throws, nothing needs changing. If anything we might see more roll out plays utilized with the pass...especially when we overload to one side moving JT to the Rightside and have KW2 in at LT as an elibible WR - so far all we have done is run from that formation.
But I don't understand the Dink and Dunk comments after this game. With protection he doesn't have to get rid of the ball within 3 seconds...same with DA when he is forced in that same situation...sure he doesn't get sacked cause he gets rid of the ball quick (within 3 seconds) well BQ gets rid of it quick also. BQ so far has proven he's a little more accurate in the short passes. And I from the past Giant game showed he can make the hard throws too. Just like DA when he is given the luxery to sit in the pocket and survey the field.
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I figure as long as Quinn isn't a Drink and Drunk passer,
he threw a couple downfield on Monday,, I'm pretty sure he has the arm to go long.. perhaps not as long as DA, but long enough I think.. So that shouldn't be a problem.. 
I do think that in the long long run, Quinn is the answer.. I like his awareness. He always seems to know where he's going and, maybe it's just me, but I kinda got the feeling he sensed where the pressure was coming from and uses his escapability to buy time..
Dumb observations I know,, and maybe I'm wrong, afterall, we haven't seen a lot of him..
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actually, i agree. i like his football IQ. i think he's going to be good. maybe not elite, but certainly quality. then again, maybe he will be elite. who knows. . .
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I figure as long as Quinn isn't a Drink and Drunk passer, I have no issues, as long as we have more points on the scoreboard after 60 minutes of football than the other team.
Do you think Kosar was a drink and drunk passer? Sure sounds like he would be now. 
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I don't believe in being mad at anyone ... especially when they are so severely misguided.   Personally, I hope Quinn plays well against the Lions ...... because more quality players makes us a better team. Just because I wasn't as impressed as some others were with Quinn's work against the Giants doesn't mean that I think he's a bum. I think he could be a quality QB. I just think that Anderson has some abilities and attributes that could, and I stress, could propel him to elite status .... while I see Quinn's ceiling as good to very good. Given that choice, I give the potentially great QB every chance to develop and improve his flaws. I don't hate, dislike, abhor, loath, detest, or berate Quinn by saying that I see some things in Anderson that lead me to believe that he can be an elite guy ...... and probably better than Quinn will ever be. I like a lot of things about Quinn. I think that he has solid leadership abilities, decent accuracy, and average NFL QB arm strength. I think that there are many things that mark him as a solid pro, but that might not scream "superstar". All in all, I think that he fits the role that Savage envisioned the QB playing when he built the team he did around Frye, and the QB becoming a compliment rather than the foundation. I do think, however, that Anderson could be a "foundation" type QB. The future will determine which road each of these guys winds up on. (How's that for deep and meaningful) Until the future is written though, it's all anyone's best guess.
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best guess....
DA will probably match his type of production from last year.
Not necessarily in stats... but in style and consistency of production.
He's an unfinished portrait, but most of the canvas will be dried pigment by this season's end... and that's what I think Phil had in mind when he re-upped DA's contract. Truth be told, it was smart:
Da's an unfinished story, with enough upside to warrant a seond season as starter.
BQ's shown to be as advertised... and ain't goin' nowhere.
The O has a chance to gel (or show its weaknesses) against top-flight opposition.
As a devout fence-sitter in ALL QB debates, I'll say this much about DA:
Dude simultaneously thrills, exasperates, amazes and heartbreaks me... and he's only been a starter for a year.
As a casual fan, I'm excited and intrigued to see what he might bring to the table in the '08 campaign...
...and from what I've seen, I'll take Brady's "dink & dunk" playing, with the occasional long pass, as well. Looks like he might be able to do it all.
Bottom line: it's still too early to write the book on either of these guys- which is what makes this upcoming season so exciting for me to watch unfold.
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Just as an aside: I DVR'd NFL Network's Total Access Pre-Season Special ... and finally got time to watch it tonight ...... and who was Shannon Sharp's pick for NFL MVP? None other than DA. Hopefully the man is one helluva prognosticator.
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Serious?
Didn't think Shannon ever had anything good to say about us.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Sorry ... I think it was Sterling Sharp.
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"Personally, I hope Quinn plays well against the Lions ...... because more quality players makes us a better team.
I think we have known each other long enough to know that both of us are die hard Browns fans. Being so it is not too hard to grasp that nothing could be better for this team than both QBs to start studding out.
In my opinion I don't think we could carry two stud QBs into the 09 season...and Stud QBs received 2 1st round picks in the past. This is my ultimate hope for this team...in studying some recent dynasties it usually is a mega trade that garnishes extra early picks that puts them over the top of being Competitive to a Dynasty...this is my desire for us! I know the 2 #ones are the best case scenario but it can happen if both stud out.
What I don't like is the timing of DA's injury.
This is the 3rd game...the only game really as a warm up to the season. The 4th is for Bubble guys to make the team.
I want BQ to stud out against the Lions but you and I know if that happens the Crapola will hit the fan...not on the boards but in the Media and especially the national media. They can be relentless...our little board talks have no bearing on the team but the National media can. I wouldn't have minded a full bore competition - but only from the beginning of training camp...so that by this game the starter would be named.
DA has always been the starter and that is being accepted by most now...And the wrench is getting thrown in. I doubt our FO and RAC will waiver one bit over DA being the starter. But its going to be a Zoo around here regardless. 
As for BQ...his arm strength is a little better than being credited...but the one negative I do have is his height - DA does have an advantage with that --- sure it comes with the big feet as the disadvantage  but definitely an advantage in vision and when our OL blocks well, very important.
We'll see what happens...hopfully you will report what you see in the What I saw thread. As will I.
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how can you insinuate that Quinn can't improve? that's nonsense; he has no real game experience. if anything, i'd suggest that logic would dictate that Quinn has greater potential to improve than DA, as DA has been in the mix, getting the game experience, and is still where he is.
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I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Clem said that makes you think he believes Quinn can't improve? I'm rather confused.. please explain cause you done lost me man 
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Da's an unfinished story, with enough upside to warrant a seond season as starter.
BQ's shown to be as advertised... and ain't goin' nowhere.
maybe i misunderstood, i dunno.
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I think he meant ain't gonna get traded.
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You misunderstood my meaning, Dawg. Maybe I should have worded it differently.
Here's try #2:
"Quinn is as good as advertised... and the FO isn't going to trade him anytime soon."
hope that clears things up forya...
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ah, my bad.
well good; i'm with ya. a trade in the immediate future would be stupid, with questions about both of them still unanswered.
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EO, Im just glad someone finally made a point on Quinn, in this thread, based on the last game. I havnt read this thread since the day it came up. I came back a couple days after the game, and nobody was discussing the title of the thread. Nor making points of view, based on the last game. He made a good deep throw to Steptoe on the sidelines. The catch that Steptoe made happen, should have been an easy TD, if it wasnt underthrown. I think Brady knows his mistake and will be able to put more air under it next time. I think he tried to be too accurate with that pass, instead of airing it out and letting the WR go get it. Like what Edwards does for DA.
But for some reason, Im reading about how many Pro Bowls DA went to, over if Quinn was being a dink and dunk passer last game. Im just going to root for which ever QB is playing at the time, and be happy that the Browns have 2 QBs that I am comfortable with to win.
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Well Legal, I guess that since this thread was put up right after the first Preseason game, where Quinn didnt' air it out at all, it's a fair question, but in the second game, we saw him put up a few downfield. With Success I might add. (yeah, I know, one of them was a magic play by a receiver)
So basically, in the first game, Quinn proved he could dink and dunk, if that's what the game plan calls for and the defense is giving him. In this last game, he proved (to me at least) that he has the arm to go down field.
On top of that, he seems to manage the game well.,, (I say seems because again, we've seen so little of him)
I keep saying this, and it's worth repeating, for right now, with both of these guys, we may well be the luckiest fans on the planet..
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I'll put the thread back on track by bringing up a point that may have not been discussed yet...
....what happens when defenses find out we can't throw deep?
....we Browns fans have already gone through that problem before Anderson became our starter.
That said, I do believe Brady Quinn will get better and more accurate, with more experience. If he does progress to where defenses must respect his ability to throw deep on them, it would be hard to not start him.
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Well Legal, I guess that since this thread was put up right after the first Preseason game, where Quinn didnt' air it out at all, it's a fair question, but in the second game, we saw him put up a few downfield. With Success I might add. (yeah, I know, one of them was a magic play by a receiver)
I'm not concerned that BQ doesn't have the arm to put it up downfield....I'm quite confident that he has plenty of arm. A QB does not have to be able to throw a strike 65 yards down the field. The biggest things are accuracy overall and decision making, which he is in possession of both of these skills.
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So basically, in the first game, Quinn proved he could dink and dunk, if that's what the game plan calls for and the defense is giving him. In this last game, he proved (to me at least) that he has the arm to go down field.
If he didn't he wouldn't be here.....our O is based on a strong running game being able to open up opportunities for passing plays, whether they be across the middle to the TE, to the slot, down the field, what have you. We have the OL to be able to do this.....and they aren't going to show anything in the pre-season to tip our hand on what they are fully capable of doing.
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On top of that, he seems to manage the game well.,, (I say seems because again, we've seen so little of him)
And that may or may not be adequately displayed this afternoon, but there will be those that make solid opinions one way or the other from this afternoon.....
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Anything less than a great game will be a disappointment. . . In a way, almost a no-win situation for the guy. Playing well against the lions isn't any great feat.
exactly. he'll be picked apart no matter what. he could have a 400+ yard game with a trio of TD passes and still get bashed for it having been against the kittens up north, not to mention the crap it'll stir up with those that still believe there's a QB controversey.
You know, I agree with both of you. But there's a few flaws to that line of thinking.
Everbody taughts DA because of his 10-6 record last year. Yet we only beat 1 team over .500. So DA built his "great resume" against the very same type of teams that Quinn will be facing.
So if Da is "all that and a bag of chips" by beating sub-caliber oponents, it would be far from legitimate to throw out such a double standard. Plus, he'll be missing BE just like DA did last week.
I'm just looking to see if he's poised, accurate, and goes to the dink and dunk when his post
wr's are covered, rather than do the gunslinger mentality thing and try to force things that aren't there.
Smart QB's take what's given and keep the chains moving rather than take big time gambles on targets that are blanketed. So let's see how it pans out..........
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"I think he tried to be too accurate with that pass, instead of airing it out and letting the WR go get it. Like what Edwards does for DA."
On that train of thought...Although quite frankly that long pass thrown a bit short was definitely due to poor footwork. He did on a prior possession throw one long to Wilson which I thought was a perfect long pass but appeared over thrown as the WR hesitated and didn't break long until the pass was thrown....You then saw BQ motioning to Wilson - you're suppose to break long on that coverage and shrug his shoulders.
As mentioned I don't think that had any bearing on the next Deep pass being short...but I was actually impressed with that throw that didn't connect more than the one for 6.
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I'll put the thread back on track by bringing up a point that may have not been discussed yet...
....what happens when defenses find out we can't throw deep?
....we Browns fans have already gone through that problem before Anderson became our starter.
That said, I do believe Brady Quinn will get better and more accurate, with more experience. If he does progress to where defenses must respect his ability to throw deep on them, it would be hard to not start him.
And why would they think that? Do you think we'll be starting Dorsey?
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Everbody taughts DA because of his 10-6 record last year. Yet we only beat 1 team over .500. So DA built his "great resume" against the very same type of teams that Quinn will be facing.
So if Da is "all that and a bag of chips" by beating sub-caliber oponents, it would be far from legitimate to throw out such a double standard. Plus, he'll be missing BE just like DA did last week.
I'm just looking to see if he's poised, accurate, and goes to the dink and dunk when his post
wr's are covered, rather than do the gunslinger mentality thing and try to force things that aren't there.
Smart QB's take what's given and keep the chains moving rather than take big time gambles on targets that are blanketed. So let's see how it pans out..........
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This caliber of competition thing is hard to get a grip on...Take a solid look at Tom Brady...The dude's played the likes of sorry ass Jets...Bills...Fin teams the last few years...TWICE EACH...Does that "Pad" his stats???
I agree with u...What u look for REGARDLESS OF OPPOSITION...Is the Accuracy...Decisions...Poise...U BEST be showing these things against lesser competition or u ain't got a prayer in this league...The BEST in this league take a downward turn when going up against the BEST competition...It's the nature of the beast...
Anyone disagree with that and u can look back and see it for thyselves...It's a FACT...
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"I think he tried to be too accurate with that pass, instead of airing it out and letting the WR go get it. Like what Edwards does for DA."
On that train of thought...Although quite frankly that long pass thrown a bit short was definitely due to poor footwork. He did on a prior possession throw one long to Wilson which I thought was a perfect long pass but appeared over thrown as the WR hesitated and didn't break long until the pass was thrown....You then saw BQ motioning to Wilson - you're suppose to break long on that coverage and shrug his shoulders.
As mentioned I don't think that had any bearing on the next Deep pass being short...but I was actually impressed with that throw that didn't connect more than the one for 6.
JMHO
I saw that too. After it went over Wilsons head, he looked over to the sideline, smacked his hands together and did a 'shoot up the field gesture with his right. Im glad someone brought that up because I forgot about that deep play.
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I see why Quinn is a "dink and dunk paser" now.
Because from what little i've seen, he doesn't have the accuracy to hit people down the field.
you had a good run Hank.
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I see why Quinn is a "dink and dunk paser" now.
Because from what little i've seen, he doesn't have the accuracy to hit people down the field.
People can run downfield in the half a second he had to throw.
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I see why Quinn is a "dink and dunk paser" now.
Because from what little i've seen, he doesn't have the accuracy to hit people down the field.
People can run downfield in the half a second he had to throw.
When he went down field, he had more than enough time to throw.
When he was under pressure, he actually made good decisions. Maybe he is just thinking too much right now and it's affecting his game. All I can say is that from what little i've seen of BQ, he doesn't look like a QB i'd want to run THIS offense.
Now if we turned it into a WCO...
you had a good run Hank.
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ive heard this before....yes....in defense of DA.
funny how all the excuses brought out to defend DA's bad play are now coming from the other side of the isle.
maybe...he's just not that good.....
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Well, so far It doesn't appear that either QB is all that good. Whatever the reason/excuse neither guy has filled me with confidence this year.
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