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WR Travis Wilson

FINALLY!!

"A lot of people think that Savage will get a first rounder for the QB that will be sitting on the bench in week 17."

Then we can trade up and draft Rey Maualuga lb USC. He is a man playing football with boys. He will be a true impact player. I know it's early to be thinking draft but thought I'd throw out the name given the upcoming OSU-USC game.

No cuts where much of a surprise……

Hubs over Wilson to me was a no brainer.
Wilson had ample opportunities, but the fact is he never wanted to or was any good on special teams.
Hubs has shown in pre- season that he can contribute on special teams if needed.
I think some of us here have forgotten that Hubs selection last April was highly influenced by
Paul Warfield. With that kind’a endorsement….it really strikes me how so many would be willing to give Wilson a third chance and Hubs no chance at all……and as I have said before….no way Hubs clears waivers if waived.

Orr was some what of a surprise, but here again I think that special teams played an important role in this decision and namely Kris Griffin.

We will keep 4 TE on the roster at least until Rucker is ready. This decision was necessary.

I think we are hoping Lee will clear waivers so we can sign him to our practice squad.

I really like what I seen from Bennett, I see the Coaches thought so too. He could be a real find for Savage and crew.

Lance Leggett was a player who caught my eye in pre-season. Chances are that he will clear waivers and be put on our practice squad.

Jason Reda I think would be a strong candidate for the practice squad even though it is rare to see a kicker on a practice squad.

I thought we might keep seven from the DL, but I think keeping 4 TE’s sealed the fait of
Melila Purcell from making the 53 man roster. I thought both he and Pittman showed good improvement over their rookie year.

With 3 cancellation players at the CB position and Dallas Playing hard ball by hording 7 CB’s on their 53 man roster,

Terence Newman
Anthony Henry
Adam Jones
Mike Jenkins
Orlando Scandrick
Alan Ball
Evan Oglesby

I ‘m still concerned about this position the most.

i agree with all that Sowells is a waste...but who would you all have kept in his place?...simply put, could it be that he stinks slightly less than his alternative?...

i haven't seen anyone mention the reason i think Hubbard is staying...raw guys with the physical tools to succeed are the type of players that are stolen off of PS...if we need to rely on Hubbard, Wilson, Sanders, whoever, at the WR position, then we're in serious trouble anyway...this is a 'protecting the investment' move, IMO...if he's just as far from contributing in future years, then you can maybe make the 'saving face' argument, but keeping a rookie on a WR-thin squad?...i don't buy it...

Hubbard the project takes over for Wilson the project.

Phil is going to keep those guys for a few years, then cut them loose. I think that is a pattern we can expect to see as long as he's here...he will hit on a few, so it really isn't that big a deal. Bottom of the roster guys don't do mush anyway, so why not keep a few lotto picks you think might pay a big return??

Just don't keep sticking with them. so far it shows that we won't...2-3 years is a good test.

Another 3rd round pick that didn't make it. Maybe Savage should trade a 2009 3rd rounder for CB help, since we haven't done anything but whiff on the pick since McCutcheon in '99.

Why does any team put a player on IR coming out of the pre-season? Why not simply PUP the guy(s)?

You get 9 weeks to decide what to do...then you can put him on IR...or activate him if he's ok. If he's better sooner, you get him for the last 2/3 of the year.

I must be missing something here because damning a guy to IR before the season starts seems stupid...just use the PUP.

Example: I don't know how bad Freidman is hurt, but he would get 9 weeks to get healed up. Who knows? Maybe he "could" get healthy.

I believe they have to be on PUP prior to training camp.

If a guy starts on PUP for camp, you can keep him on PUP for the season. But if he's active in camp, you can't place him on the PUP list. Make sense?

I used to think the same thing and agreed with you. It wouldn't make sense to put injured players on PUP, but like I said, they had to start camp on the PUP list.

There must be some sort of a deadline to PUP guys like you said. However, I don't think it is the start of training camp.

JJ was PUP'd 8/26.

I looked at the ESPN transaction list for yesterday and did notice that no one was PUP'd...which seems odd. There is a PUP transaction for 8/29...but none for 8/30.

Maybe the 29th is the cutoff

So I would then say...hey...PUP Friedman on the 29th rather than IR him on the 30th.

Maybe a player who really gets PUP'd for the season actually was on PUP at the start of camp...then activated...then "really" PUP'd before the 30th.

Someone out there surely must know how is works. Hopefully we will get a response and not a re-print of the NFL rulebook.

For anyone interested, this is a good link to see NFL transactions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions?source=nav&page=espn

I believe you can't PUP a guy who has practiced with the team in training camp. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe you are correct.

didnt' JJ practice with the team?????

No, JJ didn't practice in camp.

You can place guys on PUP for camp. If they are on PUP in camp, you can place them on PUP for the season. There probably is a deadline for that, which is where that date is coming from.

But yeah, you can't participate in camp at all then get placed on PUP.

Technically, you can't PUP a player who's been placed on the active roster. A guy can show up and work out but not be on the active roster (though I don't think he can do any team drills or anything like that). If you've been made active, though, no PUP. That's the reason that the Steelers had to put Charlie Batch on IR even though he would've very likely been able to come back and play this season.

What sucks about Friedman is that not only did the Browns lose some good quality depth with starting experiance, wasnt he also the 'wedge buster' on kick coverage?

That could be how he hurt his shoulder.

I believe that is correct

Interesting point. I didn't realize he did that. We may miss him more than anyone realizes.

j/c

No huge surprises. Losing Lennie for the year hurts us pretty badly. He's a great special teamer. Once Rucker is back Dinkins is gone. Sowells is awful but we need some depth at tackle. Hubbard over Wilson doesn't make me happy or upset. I don't think that either of them could have/will contribute this year. I like our D-Line. Rubin and Leonard are the two guys I wanted to make it.

I don't know about wedge-busting, but I do think that he formed part of the wedge on kickoffs.

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Once Rucker is back Dinkins is gone

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Not sure that is guarenteed. Didn't PS say we kept Rucker off PUP because we were worried about the health of KWII and Heiden? We just might keep 4 TE's all year.

thanks for the PUP info guys

i'm a little surprised we cut travis wilson. I figured we'd give him his third year to produce and then cut him if he didn't after the season. can't say i'm upset he's gone though. only cuts that i didn't like were steve sanders and shante orr. thought they both played their way onto the team, but i guess i was wrong.

whenever i watched him play, i never quite got how he was a 3rd rounder. he wasn't the fastest or the tallest or had the best hands. he just looked...plain. maybe there was something i didn't see but i never got the pick.

The only thing that I noticed about Travis that I did not like was he never looked smooth in what he did. But he was still making the catches (except for those hitting him in the facemask. )

Whether it was in his routes, coming out of his breaks, or catching the ball, he never was smooth. He'd bobble the ball a lot, but would still reel it in this year. Maybe stiff is a good word.

I still am a bit surprised to see him go. Granted, he'll never be a game changer in this league, and he still was far from polished, but I thought he did more than the other guys (maybe with the exception of what Steptoe brought to the table).

Hubbard has upside. IMO more of an upside than Wilson because the guy is far more athletic. So I guess Hubbard becomes the next Wilson. The staff drafted him, and he didn't pan out year one. So we'll keep him on the roster and hope that he develops during the year, or plays well next year in the mini camps and training camp.

The problem I have in Hubbard is the guy can't catch.

Yeah, he's taller. Yeah, he was a track star. He'll probably make more spectacular catches than Wilson because of his leaping and athletic abilities. But all that doesn't matter if you can't catch the football. And I think that is one thing you either can or can't do. Catch the football.

You can learn offenses, you can run better routes, you can learn better blocking techniques, but I think if I guy has bad hands, they'll only get so much better.

Trust me, I'd rather see a guy with an upside like Hubbard pan out over Wilson. Having a Braylon, a Kellen, a Donte, a Cribbs, and another athletic guy like Hubbard on the field would be phenomenal. I just don't think that time is now.

just clicking...

Looks like James Lee was claimed by the Bucs.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/08/eugene-wilson-t.html

Well, good for him I guess.

I think he probably was going to be a PS target for us. I'm surprised Tampa hasn't signed Brooks Bollinger, Daunte Culpepper and Tim Rattay yet. I'm sure by the end of the week their practice squad will be filled with 6 QBs and a long snapper....

According to this site, we've also claimed a guard from the Eagles, Scott Young.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/08/waiver-wire-updates/

For all the Brandon Rideau lovers out there....

Bears | Team will sign Rideau to practice squad
Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:49:32 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Chicago Bears will sign free-agent WR Brandon Rideau (Bears) to their practice squad.

www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Don't know anything about the guy, but on wikipedia, it says he set the combine bench record in 2005 with 43 reps. That's tough.

Just got home...first look at our cuts...Overall not many surprises but still some unexpected.

Thought Wilson won a spot...not in place of anyone that made the roster guess special teams needed others.

Some food for thought...Hadnot and Tucker come back healthy the kid Bennett should be gone.

Rucker comes back healthy...Dinkins is gone.

JJ comes back healthy??? who goes? We probably then just carry the extra WR and the cuts of Sanders and Wilson was to make room for JJ.

Sorry Pittman got hurt - waived injured thing there are some special rights we get to sign him after he is healthy??? But don't count on it, thats the status of Hamilton and we never saw him again.

Like the kid Keys...just no room for him.

AJ Davis...was and was not a surprise if that is possible

Shantee Orr busted his butt - but also remember this is a seasoned veteran that was in there against a lot of rookies and UDFA's, hate to see someone go though after busting butt like that. But we have a lot of hope for Beau Bell who got the roster spot as well as Hall who was not a surprise one bit!

Loads of veteran CBs out there if we think one might help us.

Cowboys probably keeping theirs to steal a draft pick from us...fine, if thats the way they want to play they are leaving themselves short somewhere! They will pick somebody up from cuts and let one of those CBs go.

I've been eyeing Oglesby all along.

We need McKinney to stick with it ONE GAME...then he'll slide back to valuable Interior Depth along with Hadnot and Sowells (who will be our RT depth)

I'll be shocked if Bennett is around when all is said and done.

I said Perry will be our barometer of our CB status, He has been cut...so the status is not Gosh Awful - there is hope. I wish I saw more of Lawson - he better become one heck of a Gunner on special teams.

Daniels still has to get into our D wish we saw him some more.

Health will be a key. Jones and Pool a must. This opens up Adams to his Nickel spot and hopefully Daniels can step up and take that away...dropping Adams to 4 and Cousins 5. That is without any additions of course.

JMHO

I am not surprized about Wilson.
I am a bit surprized that Hubbard made the team over Sanders and Legget, but this is a coaches call.

Steptoe played well enough to earn a spot on the team.


I was also happy to see Rubin make the team.

I was wondering if the Browns would keep both Ali and Vickers, but the obviously fill different roles. Vickers is a good blocker, Ali is a great blocker. I think that Jamal had a say in that.

Ali and Vickers are totally different. Ali will play special teams as well.

Vickers is very versatile. He is a good blocker like you said, plus he can run and catch. Ali is a bit more one dimensional, but not as one dimensional as I first thought. But, he can lay the wood! That boy is strong.

Hate to see Lee go like this....I would have kept him over Sowells, who looks pretty useless...he just doesnt have the footwork and speed for the T position...he doesnt even look good at RT against cut players...Lee at least has LT-potential

that´s what I dont like about Savage: it seems he tries to justify his picks no matter what...with Hubbard over Sanders it was upside potential but it´s not upside potential in Lee vs Sowells?....strange isn´t it?

Also, if we picked up this Eagles G, Young....FWIW, I asked some Eagles fans about him...they said he was 1 of their better OL throughout camp and they think he was just cut because he missed voluntary minicamps in June

.. " Hate to see Lee go like this....I would have kept him over Sowells.. "

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In a heart beat

"that´s what I dont like about Savage: it seems he tries to justify his picks no matter what"

Sorry but thats just an erroneous statement if I ever heard one
Just cause there is a move that you cannot justify you can't glom that train of thought.

Well just ask.
Jon Dunn, Andrew Hoffman, Nick Speegle, McMillan, Perkins and Frye.
Justin Hamilton, Baba, Minter and Wilson.
Pittman and Purcell.

I don't get your statement one bit except its easier to write that down than prove Savage doesn't know what he's doing

JMHO

I am suprised we didn't pick up a db that was released. Maybe we are negotiating with one??