DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum DA on hot seat?

Everyone knows DA is starting the next 2 games against BAL and CIN. Fact is, we ought to beat those teams even if DA has a below average performance. If exactly that happens, we'll see DA again after the bye. If he plays so poorly that he costs us one of those games while his below average performance is enough for victory in the other game, we'll see DA again after the bye. If his poor performance costs us games against BAL and CIN, I can't see why he would continue to play. But I'm thinking he'd have to be pretty poor and totally cost us games that we otherwise would have won.

Quote:

---

did anyone else see DA laughing on the sidelines with under 2 minutes to play as we are about to drop another loss to the steelers? This just didnt make me happy,

---

Yea, I saw that as well and am surprised it hasn't been mentioned before.

We were playing the Steelers, we were losing with the threat of going down one game in the division and two games in the standings to the team we need to dethrone (sp?) to gain some respectability,.........and DA is laughing on the sidelines ??????????

I don't know what it is about and I understand that there may be more to the story...........that's why I haven't posted anything on it.

Should it be a big deal..........NO..........but it still just does not sit right with me for some reason. That was a game we needed to win, maybe should have won if our offense would have done ANYTHING, and here is DA with under two minutes to go..........in a game we are technically still alive in, laughing and joking on the sideline. I didn't see KWII laughing, actually I believe the camera showed him standing on the sideline, watching the game, .......looking pretty PO'd.

Again.............I know it is not really a story.....or shouldn't be........but it still ticks me off a little bit (ok, a little more than a little bit ).

Would Tom Brady be laughing if the Pats were getting beat by the Colts or Peyton manning vise versa?

Maybe its unfair, whatever, I want DA to stack up to these players.....when Manning is losing....you've all seen him on the sideline...hes ticked and hes letting whoever is failing out there know about it.

I just dont see DA getting it done, no leadership at all, play has to get better, but from what can anyone possibly draw hope from? Since his late season slide last year, we've gotten the same, more INT than TD DA.

This was not good, some can blow it off, whatever.

Then again it shows the attidute of this team that i've been saying....they are happy to win, but accept losing.

I seem to remember he told jokes in the huddle last year. I think it's just his way of staying loose and not letting anyone see him panic. What good would it do for the quarterback to be on the sideline ranting and raving at team mates, or showing excessive emotion? Maybe he doesn't like to call out players while tens of thousands of folks are watching?

I saw this too and just about threw a remote control into his smiling face. If it wouldn't have busted my 62" flat screen I would have...... I would post his QB rating on a screenshot of this picture and tape it to his locker door.

He doesn't need to be chewing them out in front of everybody.

Your right, that's not how to handle things, but you need to let others know that you give a _ _ _ _ about the game.

Maybe it's just me, but laughing on the sidelines while you have played less then spectacular (to put it politely), is no way to LEAD a team.

Ya, I know the story of Joe Montana telling his teamate about John Candy standing on the sideline while in the huddle............but Anderson is NOT Joe Montana, and his play has not been good.

I know the whole team has NOT played well...........I don't blame it ALL on Anderson.

Again...........I don't know the whole story.........I don't know what was happening that he was laughing and smiling........what I do know is that he had NOT played well, his TEAM was still in the game, He would more than likely at least get the ball one more time............

It just did NOT look good to me watching from my living room. It did NOT strike me as Derrick keeping his teamates and himself loose.......it struck ME as Derrick not paying attention to the game and not realizing the importance of the game.

And please keep in mind that I am NOT one of the "put Brady in NOW" crowd.

And AGIAN, I DON'T know what was going on.........I just know I didn't like it and it did not look good to me.

It just shocked me to see him look so "not into the game" when we have lost to the steelers for what feels like the last decade. His performance has been less than acceptable for the longest time now. How much time does having 4 or 5 good games and getting sub'ed into the pro bowl where he embarassed the AFC buy him. I really like DA but this performance he has been putting on and looking like hes not even into the game on the sideline just upsets me as a browns fan. If you look at peyton manning or tom brady on the sideline between series, they arent even watching the game they are studying the defenses and thinking about what they need to do. DA just doesnt seem like he puts in the effort that the other QBs do. I really like DA but he just keeps disappointing me and maybe its time to see what number 10 can do. I have read that the players say that Brady Quinn is a great leader and maybe thats what this team needs.

Quote:

---

when Manning is losing....you've all seen him on the sideline...hes ticked and hes letting whoever is failing out there know about it.

I just dont see DA getting it done, no leadership at all...

---

I think it would be harder for a guy like DA, than for a superstar like Manning, to chew out his teammates when they are playing poorly. After all, DA could very likely be playing poorly himself.

Laughing is another matter. I don't care for that either. I wasn't laughing.

j/c, ddub. Thanks.



just offering another viewpoint, for better or worse:



Think about the job you actually do for a paycheck.

Now... imagine that on a really bad day, you're sitting in your office/cubicle/truck/firehouse/guard post/ER room/police precinct- you get the picture...


...and some schlubb with a long-lens HD camera shoots you, as you and another workmate exchange a moment's worth of "gallows humor." Maybe your homeboy saw that you were down, and slipped over to you to crack an insider's joke- just to help you survive the day. Maybe you cracked a joke to him about your boss, because he would understand your frustration. Maybe the resident "class clown" dropped a line as he walked past your work site, and the foolishness was welcomed at a dark time- with a laugh.


...but 2.1 million people saw you at exactly the moment when it happened.


Lucy- you got some e'splainin' to do.


I'm not sticking up for DA in any way here. I'm simply describing a set of circumstances in which you or I could be seen in a less-than-complimentary way... and how what the public may see has nothing to do the reality of your workday. You feel like s***, somebody tries to cheer you up/you try to cheer someone else up, and it all gets caught on camera.... For millions of people to see.

That's what it can be like.

Dawgs- I make my living in front of hundreds of people every time it's "game time"... and in my job, it's "gametime" sometimes 3 nights a week. We have strict codes of behavior for all those events. You must act a certain way for as long as you're in the public eye, or you'll hear about it from the brass. (People actually contact my FO, and log their complaints directly, instead of just bitching to other fans on a message board.... harsh, yo.)

Even tho some of us have been in the biz for 20, 30+ years, there comes a time when something happens to make you break from your training, and reveal that you're human. It doesn't mean that you don't care about your job at all... it just means that you got caught by a camera (or a person) at a time when you wish your moment was more private.

Unfortunate timing? Yes. For sure.
A reason to hate on the person? I guess that would depend on the 'fan' and his personal perspective.


I've almost lost it entirely in front of 750-1000 people when something struck me funny. I work hard to be a professional in my job, and I take it seriously every time I go out to do it.... but sometimes, I'm a real human being while I'm doing it- and funny s*** happens even in "unfunny" times.

Heard this from a friend who worked in an ER once, years ago: At the hospital, D.O.A. infants are referred to as "Smurfs." I don't find it funny in the least, but it helps them to get through yet another shift in an incredibly demanding, unforgiving job.

...just another perspective.


My point: if a camera catches you on the job at some random moment in your day at the workplace, what would 2 million Americans see? Would they judge you as severely as you're judging DA?

T.V isn't always reality.

Not sayin'... just sayin'.......


.02

I agree...a 2-3 second shot on the camera doesn't mean anything, and as your example points out, it doesn't mean it is a accurate reflection or somehow reflects a aloof attitude.

Many times after a poor job of some sort I have laughed it off in a mocking way.

Maybe it is as simple as someone said something funny??

WWII was a pretty serious moment in time. I am sure during that period people managed a laugh or two.

As usual, a well written explanation of reality.

Quote:

---

Dawgs- I make my living in front of hundreds of people every time it's "game time"... and in my job, it's "gametime" sometimes 3 nights a week.

---

The fact that you are a part-time stripper hardly qualifies you as an expert.

hater.

I hope we take Derek's seat and bash him over the head with it.

he shouldnt be able to sit down with an ankle sticking out of his.....

I saw nothing in preseason to show me Brady would succeed where Anderson has failed.

Having said that...it looks like Anderson just aint gonna get it in his career.

We don't know whether Quinn can be better or worse at this point. He is a relative unknown to all of us do to his lack of regular season snaps. What we do know is that DA still has some glaring deficiencies that need to be improved upon. Personally, I would give him next week and see if he can turn it around, and if not BQ would come in after the bye.

Truth of the matter is you hit on the biggest thing left in this season to find out (the playoff dream is over guys with this schedule). We must find out if we have a long term answer on our roster.......or not. We can't go into next season hoping that the light comes on for DA, or praying that BQ is the answer if it doesn't. We must find out who our long term answer is at QB, and imo that is what the rest of this season should be about.

At this point its PAINFULLY OBVIOUS...DA is not an NFL starting QB...he'll never take us where we want to go...never. He's what the scouts said he was coming out of college...a hot and cold passer with a big arm, bad mechanics, not accurate, folds under pressure.

DA does not pick this team up when its struggling, he makes things worse by playin even worse. Any pressure, and adversity DA falls apart at breath taking speed. He's not even close on half his throws, mechanices suck, he cant read zone coverage.

Will BQ be better? Can't say!

But I know DA cant do it, so its time to find out what BQ can do, the DA expirement is over.

If that game was at CBS, Anderson would have been booed so bad, he'd have been on the sidelines, laying in the fetal position balling his eyes out.

Anderson looked so bad in so many ways. It's hard to see what all is going on down the field from TV, but the guy held onto the ball WAY too long, and is completely inaccurate. The same problem he had last year, and the year before, and the year before, and in college. NO ACCURACY. Overthrowing wide open guys, throwing behind people on crossing routes, throwing it into the ground when guys are 5 yards away..... he never seems to have a sense of urgency. Even last week before the half. No command. no urgency.

The sad thing is BQ has learned by watching DA for 18 MONTHS! OMG! I've watched him since High School, so I sure as hell hope that didn't ruin him!

What I see from DA which will not get better is his vision.
It was weak when he was in college, it hasn't gotten much better..
The post snap reads..locating the safety/corner waiting on the throw is kiling him..

Your right..Ed Reed jumped 3 of his passes yesterday...him starring down players is killing him too....I agree...the guy can't read the field.

your over reacting ..

all QB's make bad throws ..
he led us to a 10 - 5 record last year ..
he made the pro bowl ...
we were 7 - 0 at home last year ..
he threw for over 3 or 4 thousand yards last year ..
he threw for 29 TD's ..
he had a gazillion balls dropped last year ..



that is actually said in jest ... OK ... I was taking a shot ... I know thats not like me .. but iw as .... ..

DA is taking way to much heat .. he played a bad game against the Rats and had a few bad moments against the Stilers ... and U all know how I feel about BQ ... well DA should not be benched .. YET .. he deserves at least another couple games and prolly 4 or 5 before we make a switch ..

funny how the tides turn so quick .. kinda like the wind with some of our fellow dawgs ... witch way is it blowing today?? .. yesterday it was DA threw 29 TD's and went to the Pro Bowl .. today a mere 3 games later he should be benched ... guess that sums up the football intelligence and patience of that crew .. who'd a ever thunk i'd be sticking up for the golden boy ..

U not take a shot ?
thats like saying a Rotweiler won't bite
I am overreacting?
Have I said anything different about him than I did even last year?
Notice I didn't say anything yet about benching him today ..but I feel very very close to it coming soon..

I'm just pointing out his flaws..which annoy the crap outta me..

Heck I had a hard time wanting to give him any credit..he's a roller coaster ride..
I know why he's starting..and it's not because the brass are idiots..they want the guy to prove himself..but in stretches where he needs to be smart , he isn't..he's pressing..
I didn't pin the loss on him(if you read Eo's thread) I said we allowed the Rats to get Momentum..AND KEEP it..

Flacco had little pressure on him ..my 6 and 3yr old sons can run into me harder than our blitzers can get to a QB

But the things I see in DA in 3 games are same weakenesses I 've mentioned before..he's in a funk and for him thats really not good..
Sure the defenses are taking Bray and KW out of it ..but he can't force throws into them.
We're also not calling plays to counter this..
Plays that work are not being used again..
Yeah dude I'm annoyed because this game resembled Rats games in thje past , their defense made out offense look timid..

DA is exactly how I remember him last year. I don't get what the big surprise is for some.

Quote:

---

Well, we currently have TWO plays over 20 yards.. TWO.... in 3 games.

---

How pathetic is that?

Eventually...Savage will tell RAC that he must start BQ and actually utilize Harrison.

Most of us will say: FINALLY!

Some will suggest that Savage is trying to run the team.

It's just a matter of time.

now lets put up the stats that say in DA's last ten Regular season games, hes only thrown more touchdowns than interceptions 4 times!. we expect this guy to lead us to the playoffs?I would expect this guy to never see the field again as a starter for the browns. But what i dread happening is that the coaching staff gives him one more game in cinci and he puts together a decent game against an 0-3 team which will only give him more playing time. This is obvious. how can our front office not see it. Wow is all i can say if #3 starts next week.

I remember someone saying last year that BQ should start after the bye last year because we'd be further ahead this year .... i can't quite recall who that was though ...

ESPN


BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns head coach Romeo Crennel is not ready to announce he's benching quarterback Derek Anderson just yet.


But Crennel and the Browns are at the point where they want to make sure highly-touted backup Brady Quinn is prepared to play in Sunday's game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

AFC North

ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog.

• Blog network: NFL Nation
Although Crennel didn't say Monday that he's handing the reigns over to Quinn, the coaching staff plans to give Quinn more practice reps with the first team this week. It's the biggest indictment of Anderson to date following Sunday's 28-10 loss to the Baltimore Ravens in which Anderson had one of the worst performances of his career. He completed just 14-of-37 passes for 125 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions.

"We will definitely try to get the other guy [Quinn] ready and ready to go," Crennel said. "We'll see how it progresses from there. [It means] probably a few more reps in practice right now."

The change in tone provides a window into the shortened leash with Anderson.

Coming into the season Crennel, the Browns' coaching staff and general manager Phil Savage said they were all behind Anderson as the starting quarterback. But after an 0-3 start and a horrendous 43.5 passer rating this year the team is starting to waiver from that claim, despite Quinn being an unproven commodity.

"If we decide to go with him, we just have to put it on the fact from what we've seen in practice and what we feel he's able to do," Crennel said of Quinn. "There's no hard evidence that he will have more success."

The Browns also are looking at changes at other positions, but quarterback is the one position on everyone's mind. Cleveland is one of the NFL's biggest disappointments this season after going 10-6 in 2007.

"I think what we have to do is evaluate it and do what's best for this team to try and win a game," Crennel said. "If that's (a quarterback change) is what it is, then that's what it is needs to be if we decide that."

James Walker covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

Our last 2 games were very winnable. And contrary to what some our saying our defense isn't that bad, they just need to spend less time on the field. They could improve with more pressure to the QB but ither than that I think they are improved over last year, teams arent just lining up and running us over anymore.

If DA can't light up a very weak cinci secondary, just like he failed to do at the end of last season, I think he needs to go, Charlie frye stye. Remember he got the boot after having a crappy HALF game with only 1 INT.