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Didn't see this posted: Report: Chiefs inquired about Brady Quinn Sunday, September 21, 2008 Jay Glazer of Fox Sports reports the Kansas City Chiefs called the Cleveland Browns this week trying to trade for Brady Quinn. The Browns turned down the Chiefs offer as Quinn is their insurance policy should Derek Anderson continue to falter. http://www.theredzone.org/absolutenm/templates/template.asp?articleid=790&zoneid=1
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Give them DA for their 1st and 2nd and third. Hey, they should be desperate after what Thigpen did today.
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No surprise after how Thigpin played today.
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Think they would take DA instead?? 
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Think they would take DA instead??
Dress him in a #10 jersey and ship him off!! 
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Oh HELL no. Derek Anderson for 3 more years? I can't even stand him for 3 games. Send 'em DA. I'll take their waterboy. Just get him out of my face. 
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If I could get a 3rd for DA right now, he would be on the next plane to KC. My guess is it could be a 4th and most likely would be a 5th. His value is about as low as it gets for a 25 year old QB coming off a pro bowl season.
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Anderson for a conditional pick this year based on how he plays the rest of the year and a mid to low rounder next year.
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There was a thread about this the other day...I said then it was too bad they didn't want DA.
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If I could get a 3rd for DA right now, he would be on the next plane to KC. My guess is it could be a 4th and most likely would be a 5th. His value is about as low as it gets for a 25 year old QB coming off a pro bowl season.
This is EXACTLY what I was afraid of.
We could have had a first round draft pick from Dallas for DA. We didn't take it.
He then wins the job, and completely BLOWS the first 3 games. We're 0-3, looking awful, and his stock is plummetting like the Dow Jones. So not only are we 0-3, if we get rid of a QB in the offseason like everyone thinks is going to happen, Anderson might be worth a box of tampons by the end of the season.
All this debating in the offseason, and the crap people like me took from others who thought they had a clue.......
I'm so frustrated now. As I know we all are. I don't think I have EVER been so PO'd watching a game as I was when DA came in once again on that final drive, and thew a pick on the first snap. My poor daughter was there, and I tried so hard to contain myself..... I kept my mouth shut so I wouldn't cuss in front of her, but kicked her toy across the room, then walked away up the steps away from her and began throwing crap.
I don't do that stuff. Ever. But that was it for me.
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I'll agree that maybe it's Quinn time, but I disagree about the way Savage and company played it this offseason with DA and Quinn. I think they played it the right way.
However, there is something to be said to making a commitment to one guy and going with it ... with DA's short contract, what they told the team and the fans was "we don't know" which way we'll go. No clear direction.
It sucks it turned out that way, but neither guy really established themselves ala a Carson Palmer a few years back.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You bring up a good point that has been bugging me for sometime now. These guys aren't idiots (contrary to what most of the board is posting now...lol), and yet they still decided that it was better to bring back DA and not give the job to BQ. Of course they now his deficiencies more than anyone of us, because they see him in practice, know the assignments, and see the game film. Yet still decided to stick with DA over Brady this year. What does it mean??? Well it could mean they are idiots...lol....or it could mean that Quinn isn't what we all hope he is at this point. Vers brought this up in the offseason, and it's troubled me ever since. It is very possible that we are in the same Couch/Holcomb debacle we were in 6 years ago, where neither QB is really good enough to win with.
As I've said in my earlier post, we don't know much if anything about Quinn, and all of this is nothing but speculation on my part. However, what I do know is that DA is still a very flawed QB that I just don't know if you can win with. I really hope we take this year and figure out if either of these guys is a true long term answer, and not go into next year still wondering if the light will come on for either of them.
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Maybe Phil knew we would struggle this year and just "maybe" he figured it would be better for DA to take the brunt this year and then hand the team over to Quinn next year in a better situation?
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The problem I see with DA now is that unless he plays out of this, he might be damaged goods. He is very skittish in the pocket. I don't think enough people are highlighting this when talking about his poor play. He looks very uncomfortable back there and very un-composed.
That's problem #1. Problem #2 is the accuracy - which is made worse when combined with problem #1.
We cannot have a QB back there that is uncomfortable. Just leads to bad things.
So I say give Quinn a shot. The FO may not be entirely sold on him, but DA is either a) damaged goods or b) he is what he is or c) he may come out of the slump. The problem with c) is there is nothing to indicate that's the case. So again, I say give Quinn a shot. Reports are that he was a bit of gamer - although we said that about Frye too.
One of these guys has to be it or it's going to set this franchise back big time. DA has been given every opportunity to show he is it, and he has not rewarded this team or FO with their faith in him. How many chances does he get? I don't know the answer to that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree. Derek has all the same problems that he did last year..... bad decisions and poor accuracy, but he developed a new one.
He doesn't look comfortable back there. He looks indecisive. He's holding onto the ball a long time, where last season he was getting it out of his hands pretty quickly. He's not standing in the pocket as much it seems as well. He doesn't seem to have a command of the offense or to be showing any leadership. Pretty emotionless, and a little too laid back. No sense of urgency. He just doesn't look comfortable, like you said.
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I wish Vers was here so I could tell him "I told ya so!!!!!" Which sucks.....actually.... 
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His value is about as low as it gets for a 25 year old QB coming off a pro bowl season.
I really wish you guys would STOP implying he "made" it to the PB. He didn't. He lucked in because other guys didn't want to play. Remember how he looked in that game? Seem familiar?
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I don't think enough people are highlighting this when talking about his poor play. He looks very uncomfortable back there and very un-composed.
I agree....he doesn't have the look in his eyes.
Maybe because he knows last year was a fluke in so far as his hot hand(people usually know when they are riding a bubble), or he is totally shaken by a something....could probably name a few things there.
If Quinn isn't given a shot soon, then there has to be something wrong with that guy as some have suggested.
While Romeo may be a buffoon as a head coach, he still can identify good players, I don't question his ability to do that....just about everything else, but not that.
Right now, I will cling to the hope he is just being Romeo and going with the status quo, which he seems to do.
I will add something else....has anyone else seen this or am I just imagining things here??.....it looks to me like the playcalling is beginning to be made for a switch in the qb.
We aren't looking at the deeper stuff and working more short things....like we are prepping the team for a transfer of the reins to Quinn....sort of getting them ready before Quinn steps in.
The two qbs do have somewhat different games.
I think when the staff goes to Quinn, they want it to be as smooth as possible and as easy as possible on him to help build his confidence.
Right now, unless Anderson does something major in his play is a broken qb. Quinn is the one shot we have to get it right at that position without a major overhaul. I think we will seek to make it as easy as possible on him.
I really look for Quinn this week...face it, that is about as easy as it gets...the Bengals on the road away from the hostile home fans.
If there is a ideal time to switch to Quinn, this is it. I think we will hear that announcement tomorrow.
Then hope to hear the announcement that Romeo has been relieved of his duties during the bye week....I don't care if we beat Cincy 35-0...a good way for Romeo to go out.
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as the same token i think the it could be beneficial starting him at home because the crowd would def. be behind him right now..if he plays AVERAGE, they'll be ticker tape afterwards...lol
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I think in order to protect their interest(s) in Quinn, the Browns need to get him inserted as the starter; right now the timing is good, i.e. Anderson, and this kid --- like anyone else --- is going to need to his ego stroked before he goes walking off into the sunset. There's more to the Chiefs' sniffing around than just "we need a QB."
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We could have had a first round draft pick from Dallas for DA. We didn't take it.
What did I miss,, when did Dallas offer us a 1st round pick for DA?
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Just a rumor....some claimed Dallas was gonna match our tender...give us the picks...trade DA to Mia to swap picks and get McFadden. I cant see Mia wanting to do that...
Either way now DA is worth probably nothing...if we can get anything from the Cheifs or Vikes...go for it.
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It was a rumor that Savage says he caught wind of, and that's what prompted him to up his offer to DA - so he'd sign with us before Dallas tendered him.
It was in some article posted here after the fact.
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These guys aren't idiots (contrary to what most of the board is posting now...lol), and yet they still decided that it was better to bring back DA and not give the job to BQ. Of course they now his deficiencies more than anyone of us, because they see him in practice, know the assignments, and see the game film. Yet still decided to stick with DA over Brady this year. What does it mean??? Simply means that Phil and Rac( to a small degree) wanted to be fair and give DA a chance to prove he's the man. And maybe to a degree that time gives Quinn a chance to come up to speed and be ready.. Perhaps they were letting DA just play himself out and then move on..and trust me, I'm not just suggesting that.. 
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as the same token i think the it could be beneficial starting him at home because the crowd would def. be behind him right now..if he plays AVERAGE, they'll be ticker tape afterwards...lol
I agree in part....but that will come anyway if the guy does well.
No..starting on the road while the natives are restless is the best way to bring him in to things....but that is JMO....to me you are sort of protecting against the bad...right now, I don't think we have a home field advantage....hearing opposing fans boo you is far different then hearing home fans boo you...even if not directed at him...come in off a win over the Gals and the whole deal changes for that Monday night game.
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You know I respect your opinion,...but letting Anderson direct a win over Cincy only prolongs the agony.
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You know I respect your opinion,...but letting Anderson direct a win over Cincy only prolongs the agony.
You must have misread what Peen has wrote, he wants Quinn to start against Cincy.
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Maybe I did,...I was too anxious to point out I don't want Anderson starting again ever,....
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...I don't want Anderson starting again ever...
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Give them DA for their 1st and 2nd and third. Hey, they should be desperate after what Thigpen did today.
Are you serious? We'd be lucky with a 3rd for him the way he's playing. Add in that he's due $8M this year, and that drops even lower. We all need to realize that DA ain't going anywhere this year with that salary except maybe (hopefully) the bench.
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Maybe I did,...I was too anxious to point out I don't want Anderson starting again ever,....
I am not to that point, but I won't defend him much either...time to see what Quinn has....sooner or later we are going to have to do it in order to get a grip on where we are at the qb position..if he comes in and start playing his game well....great....if not....well...not sure I want to think about that right now.
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We'd be lucky with a 3rd for him the way he's playing.
I don't know about that...I think we could get a 2nd minimum.
I know right now many people don't like DA...and neither do I to be honest, but last year wasn't all smoke and mirrors....I am not going to get in to reasons why it might have been or why he isn't doing it now...the undeniable fact is he did it. Knowing coaches, once they see it, they know the game is there....and coaches have pretty big egos in that most feel they can bring out the good where others failed.
I think we could get a 2nd rounder for DA...especially with KC being in the straights they now find themself.
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Give them DA for their 1st and 2nd and third. Hey, they should be desperate after what Thigpen did today.
Are you serious? We'd be lucky with a 3rd for him the way he's playing. Add in that he's due $8M this year, and that drops even lower. We all need to realize that DA ain't going anywhere this year with that salary except maybe (hopefully) the bench.
First, I wasn't serious. Also, if you look when I posted that you will see it was before he fell apart.
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Give them DA for their 1st and 2nd and third. Hey, they should be desperate after what Thigpen did today.
Not that desperate. Besides Croyle is a smaller built DA clone. Both throw the ball hard, lasers, lack touch on screen passes (well Croyle has improved on that. Its all he is permitted to throw by Herm), both can't seem to properly read a good defense, etc...
Thigpen is horrible. Whats even better is I might have the luxary of seeing a guy by the name of Ingle Martin play this Sunday. Woo Frikkidy Hoo! I guess its good the Browns said no to a Quinn trade. Had they said yes, Quinn would end up hurt his first start with the pathetic offensive line that the Chiefs have. Well, LT (BAlberts) is looking good, LG (BWaters) is back to his norm, but Center (RNiswager) is average and RG (AJones), RT (DMcIntosh) are bad...very bad...pretty much non existent.
Oh well. Herm is setting franchise records with this orrganization. Too bad they're all records not to be proud of.
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That's why Phil shot himself in the foot this past off season if he was offered a first !
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That's why Phil shot himself in the foot this past off season if he was offered a first !
Too bad he hit his foot and didn't hit Romeo. 
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Its scary that many people predicted what's going on this season so far. Savage really should have at least let DA test the market instead of signing him the night before it started.
in Andersons last 6 games we have only scored 20 points 1 time.
I'll defend DA a little our O-line isn't has solid as last year and the disipline is horrible, it seems every time we have a nice play it's negated by a holding, or we get 5 yards back because we jump off-sides on the next play or BE drops a pass.
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