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Randy Lerner is a businessman himself!
Yes he is, But Randy Lerner has many business ventures, it is impossible for him alone to be everywhere at 1 time. he is only 1 man. The Browns do not have a President. The Browns need a strong CEO...someone who not only owns 10% of the company, but he will also have a direct stake in the well being of the business...if the business does well, he does well, if it doesn't, he doesn't and gets fired and loses his share...the CEO is motivated to do well because its in his direct financial intrest to do so.
The Biscotti's got 10% of the Ravens well modell moved...your kidding yourself if you think the Biscotti's have nothing to do with what Newsome does...Modell was quoted as saying "The Biscotti's counseled me well on making sound decisions" Even though Modell was the primary owner, he took the advice of the Biscotti's and listened to these business advisors and he righted the ship once they moved to Baltimore, before that, while in Cleveland modell terribly mismanaged the franchise(the business) and led to them being nearly bankrupt and the move was his only choice. The Biscotti's and the city of Baltimore offered to bail him out in return for a stake in the company and other concessions...it was merely a buyout. If you think the Biscotti's had no say, your dreaming...those guys were and are stil investors in the company.
Mixing a football guy and a business guy is the right move, and the sooner this franchise does it the better off we will be and the sooner we will get a superior product on the field. Phil Savage only sees the "short-term"(being a football guy) a business guy sees the "long-term"(ROI)
Phil Savage has mismanaged funds...no ands ifs or butts, the guy has mismanaged money.
I would rather the Browns office should look like this
CEO- President
VP - Savage
Let Savage draft "whoever" he wants, thats fine
The President will run the day to day operations, the President will decide iof throwing away money on a Fa player is in the franchises best long term intrests.
I persoanlly wouldn't mind if we waited a few years for a winning team and strickly built it though the draft without signing any Free Agents...or only cheap free agents...it works for the Steelers, they never overspend or buy all these big time big name players who under perform...instead they build 95% of their teams though the NFL draft
The Browns could easily do nothing more than draft players every year, sign them to 7 year deals, 3 years to develop, 4 years of good play, extend them if need be, or draft their replacements
sure it may take some patience, but we will get a solid product once we have a few drafts, ya figure after year 3 and 21 picks later, you will get the idea of how things are heading and go from their accordingly
you only blow money a big time free agent IF you are 1 or 2 players away from a Superbowl, and you also have to take Strength of Schedule and other things into consideration
The Benglas do the same things we do, spend big money on players, and make bad business decisions, and they are in the same boat we are in
Phil Savage is in over his head, we need a strong CEO/President here to reign things in
Phil Savage needs a Boss, someone who is here everyday to oversee his actions, Lerner can't be here everyday because he has many other ventures and is a director for a board of banks i do belive, it is impossible for Lerner to be here
Lerner needs to hire a CEO, he is more than just a business man
a CEO will make good "hiring" decisions...thats right the CEO/Business man should hire the Coach because he will take into account:
Expereince
past success/failures
Rate of pay
former references players and coaches
and other such factors that Savage is not qualified to evaluate...there is more to hiring a coach then just because he came from a winning team.
most people who don't understand business just don't get it.....
but im glad Brownszfan gets it...he understands a sound business man/CEO is required before the Browns will ever consistently put a good product on the field.
The CEO understands what "hiring the best man for the job" "hiring the most qualified man" for the job means.....the Browns did not hire the best and most qualified man for the job when they hired Crennnel...Collins was not CEO material...like I said....we need a CEO as for Steve Ballmer...you greatly under estimate this mans cunning and intelleigence in terms of running a business..the man smimply does his homework and looks at every decisions from every possible angle...had Baller been the CEO, he would not have hired RAC, he would have probably hired someone who has been there before, a more experienced man who has been a head coach before at the NFL level,
We will end up "Worse" then the Bengals if we don't get a qualified CEO in here to run the business and to make sound decisions that Savage is not qualified to make
You still don't get it about the Salary cap do you...the Salary Cap doesn't prevent a team from going Bankrupt.its only their to keep parity
For example, lets say "hypothetically" the Browns current total team salary(The amount of money paid to the entire team) is 560 million total..that is our payroll
Say before the season, the Browns were expected to make the playoffs
The Browns were estimated to make 700 million in ticket, merchandise, memorbilia, and advertising revenue
We have a 5-11 season
We lose our primetime game slots due to flex sceduling and being a bad team....those Primetime games "pay more money" in revenues to the Browns then regular day games do....it costs more to advertise during primetime then during the day...the NFL gives the Browns a percentage of that revenue...see where im going with this...the Browns lost their primetime games(which we will) we just lost money...now our projections have just fallen.
Since we didn't win as many games as they thought, ticket sales go down at the end of the year, sales go down, people are not buying as much merchandise now as they would be if we were winning which = a loss of profit
at the end of the season, we only make 610 million...minus federal and state taxes, the real number is probably around 570 mill give or take...the Browns just "lost" money....even though we broke even, this doesn't take into account:
General Expense
Staduim maintence and upkeep
gas bill
power bill
administrative salaries
scout salaries
Miscellaneous expense
etc
How bout the hidden costs?
The losing season actually "costs us" offseason sales revenue, people are less likely to buy Browns memorabilia if we had a losing season....football is a business, people jump on the cool thing, 90% of people are finnical..they only want a winner...well since the Browns didn't win, these people will buy mercahdise of other teams
this is a "hidden cost" it cost us money, lots of money!
a sound CEO understands Opportunity cost which is defined as:
"Opportunity cost is the value of your next best alternative"
Next time you go to walwart, and buy a cd, you give up your next best alternative...think about what else you could buy for the cost of that cd...that is your opportunity cost...this translates to football..would your rather have 1 "superstar player" but you "give up" 3 "good football players"? ..is that a fair investment....to be above average in 3 areas, or a superstar in 1...these are decisions Phil Savage is not qualified to make in terms of running a business
like I said, let Savage draft whoever he wants, but the purse strings should be controlled by an experienced CEO who understands that you make wise investments not foolish ones
Savage is in over his head in this regard
im not question Savage's football smarts, but i do question his business decisions
oh and just to let you know, the Seattle Seahawks SUCKED for years...finally in 1997 Paul Allen(Former CEO and cofounder of Microsoft) bought the Seahawks. Its no secret they turned it around quickly after that
I'll tell you why, its no secret that Ballmer and Gates made advertising deals with the Seahawks...its also no secret that after Allen bought the Seahawks, that Ballmer and Gates were often seen with Allen before he hired Holmgren..people say Microsoft Advised him to hire Holmgren and various other things. allen still has close ties to Microsoft and him and Gates are still best of Freinds, its no secret they still confer with each other in making sound business decisions...its in Microsoft's intrest the Seahawks do well, and its in Allens interests the Seahawks do well(advertising deals for Allen) and (ads for Microsoft)
allen asked Microsoft people for advice after buying the Seahawks, he is still close friends with those guys
Microsoft and former Microsoft people have done nothing but success and excellence every where they go
I would love it if the Browns hire dSteve Ballmer to run the franchise...we right the ship much quicker than you think and year in and year out we would not be an embarrassment on the field because Balmer would hire the right guys to get the job done and spend Randy's money very wisly.
like a siad, Former Microsoft CEO/Co-founder Allen buys the Seahawks after they sucked for years, and he turned them around quite quickly..the man made good hiring decisions and good business decisions and now you have a decent team out there
when are the Browns going to wake up?
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Steve Ballmer Bio Steven A. Ballmer is Chief Executive Officer of Microsoft Corporation, the world's leading manufacturer of software for personal and business computing. Ballmer joined Microsoft in 1980 and was the first business manager hired by Bill Gates. Since then, Ballmer's leadership and passion have become hallmarks of his tenure at the company. Together with Gates and the company's other business and technical leaders, Ballmer is focused on continuing Microsoft's innovation and leadership across the company's seven businesses. Microsoft's goal is to provide an integrated platform to enable a seamless experience across a wide range of computing and non-PC devices and services. Variously described as ebullient, focused, funny, passionate, sincere, hard-charging and dynamic, Ballmer has infused Microsoft with his own brand of energetic leadership, vision and spirit over the years. Ballmer was born in March 1956, and grew up near Detroit, where his father worked as a manager at Ford Motor Co. He graduated from Harvard University with a bachelor's degree in mathematics and economics. While in college, Ballmer managed the football team, worked on the Harvard Crimson newspaper as well as the university literary magazine, and lived down the hall from fellow sophomore Bill Gates. After college, he worked for two years at Procter & Gamble Co. as an assistant product manager and, before joining Microsoft, attended Stanford University Graduate School of Business. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/steve/default.aspx?tab=biographyhe does have a "basic understanding" of football as well...the guy is no ding bat....we should hire this guy im telling ya...we will be in the Big show in 4 years, 5 years max...no more 5-11 seasons...the worst we would finish is probably 8-8 or 9-7 we would be competitive every year this guy doesn't tolerate failure...he expects results...he will bring accountability and stability to this franchise
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maybe the whole FO will go who knows, at this point the only lock change is RAC's butt at the end of the year.
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Link?
When you provide a link that states we are happy with RAC as of today...funny havent heard a peep out of Philliam of Randy.....
And another thing coachy....
If everything single thing on a message board has a link, its not a message board..its a news site...
Your opinions of RAC are just as baseless as mine are about him...and as big and bad as you are in your own eyes...your thoughts are still opinion...if it wasnt for all our baseless banter there wouldnt be a need for a nice site like this.
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If it is stated as opinion, it is opinion.
If you are stating something as being fact, you need to be able to have it backed up by a credible source or it will be removed.
You are stating your OPINION as if it were Fact... and it is NOT. So, if you wish to claim it as a Fact, provide a link to back it up.... otherwise, properly restate your wild claims and beliefs as being the baseless Opinion that they are.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Who is this "we" you speak of? Are you a player? Are you a member of the coaching staff? It is well documented that the players respect RAC. If you want me to pull up some links showing that I will. I also know because I posted about that subject (as well as many others) from those I know and it was confirmed later by the media. You see, I don't pretend to know things I don't.  Purp, you tell em. 
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It is well documented that the players respect RAC.
Find me a link of any player in the league right now, that is on record as syaing he doesnt respect his current coach. I really do not care what players say, I bet they do love the crap outta him, I would if I was his player, when you consider our training camp versus some others, when you consider that he takes all the bullets for the team. Or If I was one of his coaches....as long as he likes you, you got a job no matter how pathetic you perform your job.
Respect?
We'll see in the coming weeks, actions speak alot louder than words....if he truly isn't the issue, this team will not fall apart. You posting 100 links of every player stating he respects RAC proves what? Nothing...and you know that. They will show whether they respect him soon enough.
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They already do show him respect. You refusing to believe what is there because it doesn't match your rants doesn't mean a thing. THe simple fact is that if they didn't respect RAC, they would just not comment on the subject at all to the media. I love how you try to twist things to suit your agenda, though. It's so pathetic it's almost sad that you are claiming that if the players can't/don't perform up to YOUR standards that proves they don't respect their coach. 
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It's so pathetic it's almost sad that you are claiming that if the players can't/don't perform up to YOUR standards that proves they don't respect their coach
Actually If you read it, I said we will see whether or not they respect him.....them saying doesnt mean anything. This season will show it, b/c if coach has his teams repsect, he wont lose that locker room.
So we shall see coachb, I understand where your coming from, should be interesting to see how this unfolds!
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Actually, it's alraedy been proven with all the turmoil that has gone on in RAC's tenure that he has their respect. Look at the difference between the QB controversies in the Davis era and RACs. Davis lost the locker room. RAC not only held the locker room together, but was in the playoff hunt with a 10-6 record. There is nothing to indicate that he can't do it again with this situation, as he's proven he can before.
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They can respect the man and his efforts all they want and say so whenever the opportunity presents itself...or simply say nothing if they choose.
The bottom line is results...and the scorecard looks very bleak.
Here's to hoping for change in game #52.
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