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Before you say "it's week 5 why are you talking about the draft?!!" i'll say it's BYE WEEK!  After 4 weeks of games, i realize we can't come up with a realistic draft spot for us in the next years draft. So without getting too specific. What would be 1 position that YOU would draft in the first round, after what you have seen this year so far? Pretty sure nobody will say QB. I'm going to go with D and say OLB..as most of you will too i'm sure. It's the most obvious pick. We have our D-Line now...our secondary should be OK with some experience this year and daven holly commin back. Doesn't mean we shouldn't draft a corner at all but at least not in the first round... we need a guy who can blitz and cause some havoc for the other team. we need a leader/playmaker. I go with a LB...prolly the most obvious pick, but please give me your position and why!
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I'm looking for a new head coach first.
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I'm gonna go crazy and say grab a stud running back if possible. Lewis isn't getting younger and our backups are good in spot/relief duty.
Grab a game breaking back and let him get his feet wet behind lewis for a year.
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I'm more inclined to draft all defense...
Snag 2-3 corners...
Get a LB or two....
Same for the d-line....
Defense does wonders....
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I'm going to agree with both examples so far. Whoever is bpa out of RB and OLB, pick em. If we can get that pass rush going, the DB's are going to improve immensely. However, as said before, Lewis isn't getting any younger. If there's a AFC North type RB available where we're picking, i say it couldn't hurt. But, as of course, this also depends on free agency. 
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It is too early, but...what the heck.
Hmm...pass rusher would be up there. DBs another option. I don't mind the look at RB as others have suggested. Also, with JJ retiring and Donte being perpetually injured, we need someone opposite Braylon, so I'd consider a WR depending on where we pick (top 10, no way I go WR)
A few names on my radar are (* are highest on my radar):
Beanie Wells, RB*
Michael Crabtree, WR
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR*
Vontae Davis, CB*
Malcolm Jenkins, CB
I like a couple of the projected DE/OLB guys, but most are about 250 lb. MIchael Johnson* from Ga Tech would be nice, as he as room for growth and is quick off the edge. Was injured most of last year, so that'll be interesting to watch.
edit: before I get flamed for Beanie being up there, at this point, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. that could easily change (and should change), but at this point I don't think so. the only one in my list I see as top 10 right now is Crabtree. Both CBs are close.
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I'm gonna go crazy and say grab a stud running back if possible. Lewis isn't getting younger and our backups are good in spot/relief duty.
Grab a game breaking back and let him get his feet wet behind lewis for a year.
You know that might not be a crazy pick IF we are getting a STUD....i hate to draft a guy who is someone like Felix jones(who is good but not a all around back) who can't carry the load...we need another banger at RB to take over for Jamal. And i doubt we would get that outside of top10 picks. But other then that i would expect us to focus on D...
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we need a guy who can blitz and cause some havoc for the other team
I'm beginning to wonder if we don't already have some of those guys.
Does anyone think if Wimbley had gone to Baltimore or PIttsburgh or New York, he'd be running that shoulder dip scenic route every single rush? Does anyone think if we had James Harrison on our team right now he'd be wreaking havoc in the backfield?
First we couldn't blitz because our coverage was too weak, then we couldn't blitz because we didn't have a nose tackle...now we don't have the linebackers?
Something ain't right.
It doesn't always take a world-beater to get to the quarterback. I've seen plenty of would-be mediocre 'backers and DE's rack up sacks. It's not always going to happen...but we're certainly not going to utilize what we have (regardless of how talented they are) with the defense I've watched the last two years.
I feel like RAC has the N.E. mentality of sound football and assignments rather than fancy blitz packages...well and good, but we're not a disciplined team, nor are the blitzes we *do* run even worth running...
How many times am I going to have to watch Sean Jones/Mike Adams creep up to the line, see the QB recognize it, bark something out, and burn us for a first down?
How many times am I going to have to watch a slow-mo replay of the QB getting off a pass with Wimbley in the background getting pushed outside the hash marks?
How often do you see one of our guys charging at the QB without being touched? Because I watch it happen two or three times every nationally televised night game, regardless of who's playing. I'm not expecting us to have guys mauling the QB untouched...but I'd like to see opposing offenses have some of the confusion that comes with those sorts of plays.
I don't think our linebacking unit is great by any stretch of the imagination...but I feel confident that there's other people out there who could get more out of them...and I'm against firing RAC at the moment.
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true. defensively this unit needs to be better utilized.
still, this D needs a presence in the middle, a really good FS or better a dominant MLB. if we didn't have rogers it would have been that position. so, early pick, MLB.
late pick, FS.
and yea, we probably will need to draft another qb. one of these guys is likely not gonna be around next year.
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LB, RB, CB. In that order. If there isn't a stud LB, get a stud RB. If there isn't a stud RB, get a stud CB.
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Definately a LB, but if there was a stud, can't miss DL, I'd go that route also.
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We have plenty of needs, and its really too early to know where we are going to be picking, and who might be available.
I am hoping for a stud ILB. Some big, fast, pipe-hitting thug who will bring the pain when he sticks it to fast Willie Parker. We need an emotional leader on the defensive side of the ball.
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I guess you are right...but with the same logic i just have to conclude that the coaches can only do so much..the players need to step up and show something. I've seen us get some pressure in the last couple of weeks..but it's way too random and seldom. Could it be coaching? sure...but like you said we can't fire RAC right now. Lets not forget we just got a new D-cord. Change is not what this team needs right now...we need consistancy. And it's time we get a disciplined players in here.
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ILB or runningback.
Of course I would really look BPA as long as they played one of 2-3 other positions as well....those positions being OLB,OL,DB/Safety.
In my opinion, a case could be made for any of those slots.
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I'm w/ you, peen, except I'd rather get a stud CB or ILB than a RB in the first. Unfortunately we need all 3.  I'd also add some depth at tackle to that list in the later rounds if we get some good defensive picks first.
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If we're picking top 10- offensive lineman. - Safe pick when picking that high and you can never have too many. Picking 11-20 - best defensive player available, hopefully a linebacker or db.
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we need a guy who can blitz and cause some havoc for the other team
I'm beginning to wonder if we don't already have some of those guys.
Does anyone think if Wimbley had gone to Baltimore or PIttsburgh or New York, he'd be running that shoulder dip scenic route every single rush? Does anyone think if we had James Harrison on our team right now he'd be wreaking havoc in the backfield?
First we couldn't blitz because our coverage was too weak, then we couldn't blitz because we didn't have a nose tackle...now we don't have the linebackers?
Something ain't right.
It doesn't always take a world-beater to get to the quarterback. I've seen plenty of would-be mediocre 'backers and DE's rack up sacks. It's not always going to happen...but we're certainly not going to utilize what we have (regardless of how talented they are) with the defense I've watched the last two years.
I feel like RAC has the N.E. mentality of sound football and assignments rather than fancy blitz packages...well and good, but we're not a disciplined team, nor are the blitzes we *do* run even worth running...
How many times am I going to have to watch Sean Jones/Mike Adams creep up to the line, see the QB recognize it, bark something out, and burn us for a first down?
How many times am I going to have to watch a slow-mo replay of the QB getting off a pass with Wimbley in the background getting pushed outside the hash marks?
How often do you see one of our guys charging at the QB without being touched? Because I watch it happen two or three times every nationally televised night game, regardless of who's playing. I'm not expecting us to have guys mauling the QB untouched...but I'd like to see opposing offenses have some of the confusion that comes with those sorts of plays.
I don't think our linebacking unit is great by any stretch of the imagination...but I feel confident that there's other people out there who could get more out of them...and I'm against firing RAC at the moment.
Good post,...I blame his "lack" on the scheme/coaching. I say get D'Antonio in here for that fix,...
I like the RB idea. A back like AP might have supplanted any shortcoming created by not drafting Joe, but now that that's not an issue, (and to Phil's credit, there will always be a stud RB in college somewhere to be had) any of the aforementioned would look good in Orange & Brown ( I'll go "homer" here on Wells, but I think he's coming back next year) .
Along that same line, n-p-i, what about the best OG out there,....? A young kid like Thomas, lunchbox, injury free, type to dominate the left side,...??
There is no doubt the college defensive BPA would be most helpful in any spot on the Browns "D," but my theory is to keep building a much stronger Offense in order to keep the Defense OFF THE FIELD.
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I want an enforcer at ILB and safety...I also want a RB and i'm afraid we'll need another WR... then some OL and DL depth.
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We need a STUD inside linebacker.
I know Wimbley is not doing well, but imagine what would happen to the run defense if we had a young Ray Lewis in the middle.
Don't like Lewis, but like the way he plays the game.
We need someone that will take someones head off.
We also need another safety.
It appears that Pool can play, now I will get ripped, but I don't think Jones can't cover a tight end.
Just my opinion.
Another CB is also needed, at least one that can REALLY PLAY NICKLE.
Cousins sucks.
Then RB, DL, OL.
Just my thoughts
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1. LB inside first choice
2. CB
3. RB
I'm always praying for a O-linemen, I do believe if my O-line can control your DLine it dosent matter who is carring the rock he's gonna get 3-4 yards or atleast fall forward for that much, and if I'm getting 3-4 yards per carry, who needs high priced recievers, or a big named $$$ QB to toss aball 7-8 yards. I know I know I'm over exagerating here abit, but ya do understand what I'm saying.
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Since Jones has been out---has Pool been playing at the same level as Jones filling in at SS?
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If I'm picking, I target RB with the 1st pick and OLB with the 2nd.
My logic is that from what I've seen from most running backs at the end of their careers, the tires don't always slowly go flat over time, they can explode and shred. With our offense supposedly being our strength, we can't afford a season of Lewis breaking down on us and I think he's dangerously close to that point already. We're running a risk this year carrying Lewis as the only back on the roster we can feature and to do it again as he turns 30 would be downright foolish. A young stud RB will give Lewis a breather if he still has another year left in him and if not, he'll be ready to take over and give us a brand new exciting identity on offense.
We need an OLB for obvious reasons. Wimbley has been pretty darn ineffective thus far and while Hall is promising, he's still really raw. With McGinest retiring (and he doesn't have the speed anymore anyway), we have virtually no OLB that can do anything outside of pass rushing. Getting an OLB that can not only pass rush but can run stuff or drop back in coverage would help our LB corps in a big way and fill a huge void.
I think CB is a weakness too but I think we need to address that position with a veteran as opposed to another young corner that we'll need to develop.
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I´d go with best available out of MLB, OLB, FS and maybe even CB....cant count on Holly comeback, esp. since he´s a FA after this season afaik (was a RFA this offseason) and Wright looks more like a solid nickel-CB
Really need a stud at FS...ballhawk/cover-stud...Pool at SS...as much as I hate it we have to let S.Jones go....he will get big money thrown at him and we cant match and play him with Pool again...they are too similar and dont complement each other very well
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If the 3-4 remains, then I'm going after this:
1. MLB
2. OLB
3. Corner
4. Running Back
5. Right Tackle
6. Guard
7. Safety (in case Sean Jones is never the same)
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I think we still need another stud WR, either to replace BE or compliment him.
But we need depth at CB, and possibly even replace Wright.
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I'm more inclined to draft all defense...
Snag 2-3 corners...
Get a LB or two....
Same for the d-line....
Defense does wonders....
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I'm inclined to go the same route, but in reality it all depends on what we need (kids may still step up this year and players may and will leave), what is available in the Draft and what we are able to pull off in Free Agency.
I think that, depending on what is there in FA, we may have one last big spending spree before we see more conservative spending in future years.
So, speaking on the next offseason as a whole and not so much just the Draft, I see the following (in no particular order):
RB
CB
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ILB (a complete STUD or not at all)
OG
DE
WR
Browns is the Browns
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Too early, we don't even know where we're picking yet.
Round 1: ILB (that USC stud, like I'm gonna spell his name) OR CB (Malcolm Jenkins)
Round 2: CB or ILB (I honestly think Laurinaitis may drop to here, his draft stock HAS to be plummeting considering how he's been invisible this year)
Round 3: If we get a pick, OL.
Round 4: Receiver
Round 5: Safety
Round 6: QB (why not?)
Round 7: Who knows
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It all depends on where we pick and who's available. If Beanie is there, you pick him, but I wouldn't put running back as our top priority. Mine in order are:
1. Inside Linebacker
2. Free safety (Considering how Pool has been better than Jones at SS, I think it is a good idea.)
3. Running Back
4. Outside Linebacker
5. Corner
6. Right Tackle
7. Right Guard
8. Defensive End
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1. CB- Malcom Jenkins or Vontae Davis
2. OLB- Greg Hardy or George Selvie
3. ILB- Rey malaluga
4. RB- Chris Wells or James Davis in round 2
5. WR- Michael Crabtree
6. OL- Andrae Smith or Michael Oher
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I'm w/ you, peen, except I'd rather get a stud CB or ILB than a RB in the first. Unfortunately we need all 3.
I'd also add some depth at tackle to that list in the later rounds if we get some good defensive picks first.
It will probably be one of the three....just depends who is available...the quality rating of the player will probably dictate who we take.
1st round picks should almost always be the best guy you can draft no matter the position.
Sometimes it doesn't make sense and you deviate a bit, but that doesn't happen that often.
Round 2 can be used to select with "needs" and a weighting factor.
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i think we still have too many holes, so i say take the best player available outside of qb or te...
maybe running back... not sure, i wanna see more of harrison, but jamal ain't gettin younger...
receiver? absolutely.
defense? you name it, we probably need it.
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This isn't X's and O's football related, but still a bit of a dream.
It would be kinda cool if Laurinaitis was a Brown because I could guarantee you I'd be one of the first ones to wear the orange spiked shoulderpads with a foam WWE belt to the stadium.
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lol i would love for him to fall to the 2nd round....as great of a player he is...i don't think he should go in the top 20...maybe late 1st or early 2nd...I think he would fit real well in 3-4...but he would def need to beef up a little for 3-4...he does have the coverage skills to play in 3-4 for sure...
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lol i would love for him to fall to the 2nd round....as great of a player he is...i don't think he should go in the top 20...maybe late 1st or early 2nd...I think he would fit real well in 3-4...but he would def need to beef up a little for 3-4...he does have the coverage skills to play in 3-4 for sure...
Based on how he's played this year he has a legit shot of dropping to the 2nd round.
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I completely disagree. I like Laurinitis a lot, but the only place i see him really excelling is in a Tampa 2.
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BPA (Best Player Available)....Unless QB or LT, then next BPA
Too many holes all over the team
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I completely disagree. I like Laurinitis a lot, but the only place i see him really excelling is in a Tampa 2.
i'd rather have mauluga from sc
i would love to see that dude get a clean shot at palmer, flacco, and yes, of course, roethlisburger...
i think he'd be a great 3-4 fit
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Yah i guess you are right...he can def cover tho...tampa 2 MLB would work best for him..
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