|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
I would mention Andra Davis but I don't really care. Reading this board some days....I would swear that 20% of people here think William Clay Ford Sr. jumped the gun! It's only Year 8 of the Matt Millen Plan!?!?!?! 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189 |
Quote:
It's only Year 8 of the Matt Millen Plan!?!?!?!
That IS funny. 
But if you're going to compare the Browns to defenses like the Steelers, Rats, NE and the like, then compare the number of experienced veterans and how long they've played in that system and well they played back in the day when there were only a small handful of veterans and the defense was relatively new to all of them. Those good defenses have been around awhile and so have their players.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,086
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,086 |
Our idea of "adjustments": Maybe orange jerseys? Perhaps if we wore Brown pants, then we might play better. It would be laughable if I could laugh. We are always early and telegraph it. watch helmets! If they come straight up first, then we are at least partially neutralized. I like the idea with one or more "rogues" who line up and go as they see the best advantage. Not a whole package, but demands adjustment. Just another confusion chaos factor.  
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
Who doesn't know what we want to do on defense? RAC certainly does and he does have a system in place...the same Super Bowl winning scheme he had in New England. Once again, inaccurate information being spewed from those that don't know what they're talking about.
Ddubia, you are correct. We have replaced virtually the entire personnel and they are learning not only a new system, but one that many have never played in during their football careers. The 3-4 is used so sparingly and has such a different philosophy that it takes time to learn. The defense has played far from terrible thus far except for the Dallas game.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
And I hear what you are saying but..... Those defenses have been in place a long time because they have been successful. Not those defenses became successful because after 3 years they were the worst but they kept at it and became the best.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Hall of Famer
|
|
OP
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531 |
Quote:
Quote:
Someone brought up a scheme we used a long time ago. I think it was the "storm" package. The other team couldnt tell where our blitz was coming from, and it was extremely effective!
Not sure how long ago you are talking, but do you mean Crennel's "UFO" defense of 2000? That was interesting looking, and I wish we would have had NFL players back then. I seem to recall it did Jamir Miller lots of good. I didn't have internet before 98, so my information outside of Cleveland was never that detailed.
Common misconception. Romeo never ran the UFO defense. The UFO was run in 1999.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Someone brought up a scheme we used a long time ago. I think it was the "storm" package. The other team couldnt tell where our blitz was coming from, and it was extremely effective!
Not sure how long ago you are talking, but do you mean Crennel's "UFO" defense of 2000? That was interesting looking, and I wish we would have had NFL players back then. I seem to recall it did Jamir Miller lots of good. I didn't have internet before 98, so my information outside of Cleveland was never that detailed.
Common misconception. Romeo never ran the UFO defense. The UFO was run in 1999.
Actually you are wrong. Romeo ran the UFO when he was DC here in Cleveland under Palmer in 2000.
Look it up.
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189 |
Quote:
Actually you are wrong. Romeo ran the UFO when he was DC here in Cleveland under Palmer in 2000.
Look it up.
I did because it's common these days to attribute RAC with that UFO defense when actually it was run in 1999 by Defensive Coordinator Bob Slowik
October 10, 1999By Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter
It was the Browns' worst nightmare.
The quarterback they spurned in the draft strode into town with a giant chip on his shoulder and deposited it on the Browns' home field.
Akili Smith outplayed Tim Couch from beginning to end, but mostly at the end, which is when the good ones shine.
He torched the Browns' UFO defense with an 80-yard winning drive in the final two minutes and pulled out an 18-17 Cincinnati victory, snapping the Bengals' winless skein and keeping the Browns 0-for-their-new-era.
Cleveland Plain Dealer
I'm not going to dig any further than that. With the UFO Defense mentioned in an article the year before Crennel got here I think it's safe to assume that Crennel was not the one to run that defense.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437 |
Interesting, because I just came across this article... http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_detail.php?id=2354They even dusted off the old "UFO Defense" from Romeo's days as defensive coordinator of the Browns back in 2000, sometimes pulling everyone off the line other than one player, having a linebacker creep up behind the down lineman, and slip into a slot right before the snap. Other times, they went back to loading three pass rushing linebackers to one side of the ball, dropping one back into coverage and rushing the other two. I am only included the part of the article that discussed this... Plus I remember watching that defense when Crennel was here with Palmer.
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189 |
The problem with that is that I posted an article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer written by Tony Grossi dating the UFO Defense in 1999. So the writer of the article you posted has a faulty memory as well. How does the UFO defense get mentioned a full year before Crennel got here? Quote:
Plus I remember watching that defense when Crennel was here with Palmer.
Sorry, but you didn't.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437 |
Well maybe Slowik had his version and Crennel had his.
I remember the game now as well. It was in 2000 against the Patriots. Belichick against the Browns for the first time since he was canned.
it's possible Slowik named it and Crennel added his own touch to it...I don't know man.
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189 |
That's an extermely adorable child you've got in your sig.  I hadn't really noticed before.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 647
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 647 |
are you talking pre-99? Or was the Storm package something under Butch/Fazio etc. Knock BD all ya want, but that first year we knew defense. 45 team sacks on defense, 10-15 passes INT by Anthony Henry and Co., etc. Fazio would tilt Jamir Miller to one side and we really had 5-6 on every play blitzing, out of a basic 4-3, cover-2 shell. The Browns had decent LBs in Holmes, Rudd, a star in Jamir Miller, some good CBs in Griffith and Cutch, a star in Henry, and a good DL (Mark Word, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Roye, and the immortal Keith McKenzie--remember the dreds on that guy?)  Here's Cleveland's defensive fronts/schemes since '78: Under Sam we ran a 4-3, two-gap, cover-2, I don't know the corner schemes. We had the 4-3 and a good LB corps in Robert L. Jackson, Bam Bam Ambrose, Clay Matthews, Cowher and a few others. Under Marty we'd run a lot of basic 3-4, one-gap, cover-1, man under (CBs on WRs), with a FS playing center field. Sometimes we'd run 46 Bear: Dixon and Minnie on the corners, Wright at FS, Brian Washington or <random> safety at SS, usually in the box. Basic defense. We ran the 3-4 from 1981 to 1988 under Marty. Under Bud (1989-90) we ran a 4-3, one-gap, cover-2, man-under, with some zone mixed in. Sometimes a ZB--Robert Banks would drop into the flat. Under Bill we ran a 4-3, two-gap, cover-2, zone (not man) mainly. We did not blitz much at all. Natural pressure with the DL. Under Palmer we ran a 4-3, two-gap, cover-2, soft zone on all DB shell coverage. Very basic like now. Under Butch we ran a 4-3, one-gap, upfield rush, cover-2, man-zone--(combo). More aggressive, esp. the first year. Under Campo, we played more zone and two-gap coverage. Under RAC we run a 3-4, two-gap, cover-2, loose zone (but we've played some man) corner coverage. Not aggressive at all, but we have a decent DL now and one good LB. The problem is that we need 4 or 5 more good LBs.
Go Browns!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 647
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 647 |
Quote:
If if remember correctly last year we played around with Willie McGinnest at the nose while lining Ethan Kelley a few yards behind him to penetrate the gap to get our big guy on thier little guy. I have a feeling we'll see more exoctic blitzes at times when McGinnest comes back. Having Hall, Wimbley, and Willie healthey all at once gives a coach alot of tools. Especially if McGinnest can wreak havoc along the line like he did last year.
I think as the season goes on we're going to see more out of our blitz packages as rogers and williams gets more used to the system. Remember 2/3 of our defensive line has never played in this sysem before and they are already alot better than we've had in a long time.
The 3-4 Eagle!
A brainchild of ex-Packers d-coach Fritz Shurmur, who had the Rams use that to confuse Joe Montana. Problem was, teams went into Power-I and forced them out of it.
The key is having an LB big enough to withstand some inside plays, yet be quick enough to drop into a zone.
Go Browns!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,437 |
Quote:
That's an extermely adorable child you've got in your sig.
I hadn't really noticed before.
Thanks Bro!
“It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” -Steve Jobs.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475 |
"Knock BD all ya want, but that first year we knew defense. 45 team sacks on defense, 10-15 passes INT by Anthony Henry and Co., etc. Fazio would tilt Jamir Miller to one side and we really had 5-6 on every play blitzing,"
Just remember this...before you give BD too much credit.
That was before BD tried to Micro-manage everything and Foge had freedom to run the D. Foge was an ATTACK style DC. It was BD who kept insisting that we become conservative. It was BD who fired Foge after our playoff loss to the Steelers cause it was FOGE who didn't believe in the PREVENT Defense that BD forced him to play! Foge wanted to ATTACK and WIN...BD - Prevent a Loss.
We saw ATTACK one season...I hope to see it again.
JMHO
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Zone blitzing
|
|
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Heldawg/rgiii2.jpg)
