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I think it's mostly backlash from all of the hate Buckeye fans get from around the country.
that is a unique perspective, ill go with we dont give a damn for the whole state of michigan.
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I wear the Bucks colors down here in the heart of Longhorn and Cowboys country. In fact, I wore a silver shirt with a red tie to work today  People can get on me all they want. I just remind them that Ricky Williams an't no Eddie George, and that Mack Brown ain't in the same league as Tressel, hehehe.
No, I simply grew up and came up hearing how the Bucks weren't in the same league as the Wolverines. Well, now the worm has turned, and Michigan ain't in the same league as the Bucks!
It's not personal. It's just football 
Now, I'll tell you one reason why this Michigan team isn't very good: It's because blue-chip players bailed when they got a whiff or Rich Rodriguez. I heard many things about how he ran ship before he basically bailed on the Mountaineers. None of them were good. I think that there's always two sides to a coin, and that West Virginia weren't exactly innocent in how they handled things either, but Rich pulled a lesser version of of the coach who's name I won't mention, but bailed on team after team, looking for the next big paycheck. 
As a Browns fan I take great football pleasure in watching the Bengals die a slow, painful, embarassing death. I don't feel that way about the fans. In that same light, I feel great joy in watching the Wolverines eat humble pie, but not their fans.
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Michigan looks atrocious, but they've come on strong in some second halves this year.
BUT THEY HAVE RICH RODRIQUEZ!!!!<S>
Try changing your complete offensive system without the players to do it.
A good coach can take what he has and devise a system to fit those guys while he is getting the players that he wants, not take force feed a system to players who's talents do not fit the system.
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[How's the view from that glass house? Kind of like OSU in big games?
Ok so OSU being in the running for a NC every year is comparable to UM losing to a team that is not even one of the better teams in a mid major conference? I think you are reaching just a bit there. 
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Try changing your complete offensive system without the players to do it.
A good coach can take what he has and devise a system to fit those guys while he is getting the players that he wants, not take force feed a system to players who's talents do not fit the system.
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Not when the system is completely different than what they are used to. Make the transition now and get the players used to it and have a down year, rather than use another system for 2 or 3 years and then make the adjustment. I'd rather have a down year or two and then be ready to go than have to wait 2-3 years for the players to come on, then another year or 2 for the system to be set in.
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Ok so OSU being in the running for a NC every year is comparable to UM losing to a team that is not even one of the better teams in a mid major conference? I think you are reaching just a bit there.
It's not reaching at all. He was calling it (Michigan losing) embarrassing as a fan of the Big Ten, unless you're telling me all those losses (by OSU) weren't?  Just pointing out that there's two sides to the Big Ten fan embarrassment coin and Ohio State has done it's part to make the conference look pretty bad.
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The sad thing is that you're comparing michigan to "all those Buck losses" when today they proved they can't even compare to Toledo. They were outplayed by a 1-4 MAC team...in the big house!! That is astronomically more embarassing than losing a NC game or a game to a #1 team on the road.
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Ok so OSU being in the running for a NC every year is comparable to UM losing to a team that is not even one of the better teams in a mid major conference? I think you are reaching just a bit there.
It's not reaching at all. He was calling it (Michigan losing) embarrassing as a fan of the Big Ten, unless you're telling me all those losses (by OSU) weren't? Just pointing out that there's two sides to the Big Ten fan embarrassment coin and Ohio State has done it's part to make the conference look pretty bad.
Please tell us which OSU loss made the conference look "pretty bad" IN COMPARISON to losing to a 1-4 MAC team:
09/10/2005- Texas 25 OSU 22
10/08/2005- Penn State 17 OSU 10
01/08/2007- Florida 41 OSU 14
11/10/2007- Illinois 28 OSU 21
01/07/2008- LSU 38 OSU 24
09/14/2008- USC 35 OSU 3
*ichigan has lost 6 out of their last 9 contests! The Buckeyes have lost 6 games total in the past 3 and a half years, and look who they lost them to! It sure as hell hasn't been Appalachian State or Toledo by God!!!!!
I understand that "Big Boo" is going through a transition period but please oh please don't ramble on about the Buckeyes being an embarrassment to the conference.......that is just sillier than hell!!!!!!!! Losing to high-ranked teams happens.....it's why they are hyped games, its why people watch as they do.
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understand that "Big Boo" is going through a transition period but please oh please don't ramble on about the Buckeyes being an embarrassment to the conference.......that is just sillier than hell!!!!!!!!
Why is that silly? Are you trying to tell me their performances in the last 2 national title games and their game against USC haven't killed the conference nationally? Watch OSU go 11-1 this year, not even sniff the title game and come back and tell me the national perception of the conference hasn't been affected by their play in big games.
Is Michigan part of the problem, sure but there's plenty of blame to spread around. That's why I found it a tad annoying that people are piling on Michigan as being an "embarrassment" to the Big Ten when OSU has got their butt handed to them on several occasions.
There's been a ton of embarrassing moments for the conference in the last 3 years and thankfully, Michigan did the right thing and scrapped a system that is dead. Part of the Big Ten's problem is that it's best teams (Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and untill recently Penn State) play like it's still 1935. I'm more then willing to see Michigan not win another game this season if it means they'll be running a high powered spread offense 2 years from now. Why? Because look around.....no one is going to be winning a national championship with the power I, or even a "spread" version of it. It's too easy to slow down. The sooner Michigan takes it's lumps in the transition, the sooner they'll be wiping the conference up and down the field.
Look at Penn State. They are just throttling people in the Big Ten because teams in this league just cannot stop the spread offense. They just don't have the athletes 1 through 11.
So, Michigan lost to Toledo. Alabama lost to UL Monroe last year and is now the #1 team in the country. Transition is pretty painful but once it's in place, no one is going to remember who Michigan lost to in Rodriguez's first year. So, enjoy it and call them an embarrassment but don't act like OSU is God's gift to the Big Ten.
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annoying that people are piling on Michigan as being an "embarrassment" to the Big Ten
You're right, theyre really just an embarrassment to themselves, I dont feel embarrased... it is annoying that people think Michigan losing embarrasses Ohio State and the rest of the Big Ten.
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Again, you are right, A shot at 3 straight undisputed conference championship is a gift to Ohio State not the rest of the Big Ten...
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I wouldn't have guessed to be wearing my Rockets jersey with our record being what it is....but beating michigan in Michigan is a reason to dust it off. Wooooooooooooooo!
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Nas, I give you credit for coming here and doing everything you can to back your team. If you remember, prior to this season, I noted several times that Rich Rod will do great things at Michigan. I also noted that Rich Rod's offensive system scares me as a Buckeye fan. - But dude, after yesterday, I'm starting to wonder how much time Rich Rod has to make this thing work.
I could see him getting fired by midseason next year. People up there aren't going to put up with this much longer - Michigan losing to Toledo, what is this world coming to? You had better hope that one of these freshman qb's you speak of can net you at least 8 wins next season.
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Losing to high-ranked teams happens.....it's why they are hyped games, its why people watch as they do.
But Michigan loses to highly ranked teams also. Hell, Appalachian State is one of the top teams in Div 1AA.
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[Part of the Big Ten's problem is that it's best teams (Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and untill recently Penn State)
UHHH sorry but Michigan is not one of the Big Ten's best teams. They cant even beat a low level MAC team in their own house. Michigan is embarassingly bad right now, I like your optimism but right now it is just that,optimism. I sure hope that spread offense works out for BIG M because if not their one dimensional coach will not last long. Michigan is too proud of a program to tolerate this garbage for too long.
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I could really care less if RR succeeds, regardless of how it looks for the Big Ten. It is not fair to discredit the entire conference because Michigan has problems. Nobody seemed to have a problem when Northwesten was 1-9 forever,....
Right now he will still need two years to recruit the kids he wants to fit the system he wants to run. In the meantime he has to fit square pegs into round holes. It is what it is. Everything has a cycle.
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. It is what it is. Everything has a cycle.
Well I will leave the RR thing alone, I have stated what I think of RR and there is really no reason to go down that road again.
Like you said things go in cycles, for quite a few years now OSU has had the upper hand in that cycle, so right now is our time. Michigan has had their time too. So I understand completely the hope that UM fans have in RR turning things around. About 7 years ago Buckeye fans were in the same boat when Tress came on and thankfully that worked out well for us.
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I think the problem runs much deeper than that. Michigan's had some highly ranked recruiting classes the past few years. People here were bragging about the talent coming to Ann Arbor. Toledo's players couldn't get recruited by any Big 10 team, and they stink even in their own league. There's a real problem when you can't win with that drastic of a talent mismatch on your own field.
Michigan was getting blown off both sides of the ball. Toledo looked like a superior team.
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I agree, recruiting is part of the problem, but when you mention that around here, you get blown off the board.
It no coincidence that the number of Ohio players on the Michigan roster as compared to other years has continued to dwindle since Jim Tressel took over at Ohio State. It is not the lone reason they are hurting, but it is a contributor.
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and you know Dantonio is a heckuva recruiter too... its not an easy road to hoe for RR
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and you know Dantonio is a heckuva recruiter too... its not an easy road to hoe for RR
I completely disagree. Michigan currently has the #6 overall class for '09 right now and that's with the potential of a recommit from a 5 star guy. They have 2 QB's that are 4-star players, both are ranked in the top 6 for dual threat QB's. How is it not an easy road? It's still Michigan, even if they have one bad year. Their last losing season was what, in the 40's? I mean come on. Some of you act like Michigan has won 7 games or less the last 5 years in a row. Michigan has 19 commits in October and will most likely fill out their class before the 1st of the year. Hell, they have commits from 2 of the top 2 WR's in 2010 already (one from Florida) and the new staff has already landed 6 players from the sunshine state, 2 of which Florida desperately wanted.
I'll give Lloyd credit, he surely saw this one coming and got out while he could. Their recruiting is fine under RR but many of the players left behind by Carr and Co. just weren't any good. Plus, they clearly didn't fit in to the spread offense. Big, burly, power-i guys just can't get it done in this system. Are they at Michigan for a reason? Sure but recruiting is a crapshoot. Some guys work, others don't but trying to fit power players in to a speed offense just isn't going to work. There's a transition period, especially with the spread. It's not going to happen over night.....certainly not with the terrible QB play Michigan is getting now.
All the guys currently playing for UM just wouldn't cut it in a normal year. That's why Freshman are starting at RB, TE, WR, QB, CB, etc. When you're getting absolutely no significant contributions from upper classmen you're not going to win too many games. I fail to see how that's a reflection on the coach? Only 6 games in to his career? 
Pete Carol was 6-6 at USC his first year, Butch Davis (yes, laugh but he's a great college coach) was 5-7 at Miami and 4-8 at UNC, Nick Saban was 6-6 at Alabama with a loss to UL Monroe, Tressel was 7-5 with a loss to South Carolina. Coaches can't just snap their fingers, install a new system (especially the spread) and expect everything to be great in year 1. RR was 3-8 in his first year at WVU. In his second, 9-4. People talking about firing him next year are insane. Michigan hired him knowing it was going to be a painful transition. They're more worried about how Michigan looks 2 years from now.
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It no coincidence that the number of Ohio players on the Michigan roster as compared to other years has continued to dwindle since Jim Tressel took over at Ohio State. It is not the lone reason they are hurting, but it is a contributor.
Michigan had 12 players from Ohio on it's roster in 2000 when Tressel took over. They have 10 now with commits from 3 more players in 2009. Michigan has never relied on Ohio. Do they get kids? Sure, they do but they don't lean on the state to make or break it's classes. On Michigan's 1997 National championship team, they only had 9 kids from Ohio on that roster. That number (or close to it) has held true through this entire stretch.
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Keep losing to teams like Toledo, and you're commits are going to run away.
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I dont know what you disagree with that statement. Dantonio is a solid coach, who recruits well. RR does have a hard task ahead of him. Do you think that it will be easy?
As for the rest of your post Im glad you are talking about next year, but hey right now you are enjoying your worst season in over 40 years...thats the only fact about Michigan that is worth discussing. You cant control the past or the future, and presently Michigan blows!
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Keep losing to teams like Toledo, and you're commits are going to run away.
Most recruits are smart enough to know why Michigan is struggling. If it would continue for more than a year or two, then yeah, some recruits may start shying away, but for now Michigan should be fine.
Michigan is switching from a smash mouth, Pro Style offense to a speed based spread option. That transition doesn't happen overnight, especially when your quarterbacks aren't any good at throwing or running.
Rodriguez made players like Pat White into stars in college. Not to say that White had nothing to do with it because he obviously put in the time and effort to make himself better, but the spread option has proven to be an offense that can win even when the players utilizing it are much less talented than their counterparts. With Michigan getting players of equal talent, it should make for a very good offense. Key word there being SHOULD, because nothing is guaranteed.
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It was just meant as a jab.
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[Key word there being SHOULD, because nothing is guaranteed.
See that is all I am saying, but there are some that seem to throw out some recruiting #s and state it like it is a foregone conclusion that M will be ruling the conference again soon. There are other very capable people in the conference that will have a bearing on what happens. Time will tell if RR is all some have cracked him up to be.
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[Key word there being SHOULD, because nothing is guaranteed.
See that is all I am saying, but there are some that seem to throw out some recruiting #s and state it like it is a foregone conclusion that M will be ruling the conference again soon. There are other very capable people in the conference that will have a bearing on what happens. Time will tell if RR is all some have cracked him up to be.
And that's why I'm so confident that RR will have a ton of success at UM. Why? Because he continually developed lesser talent. His success was not predicated upon getting the biggest and best kids. He routinely took 2 and 3 star players, developed them and got 4/5 star results. His recruiting classes at WVU were ranked in the high 40's and low 50's some years.
It's honestly shocking to look at the numbers and then consider the kind of success he was having at West Virginia. In his 7 years at WVU he only landed (12) 4 or 5 star recruits. T-W-E-L-V-E!!!! Total. In his first off-season at UM, they reeled in 17.
It could take him 2 seasons but when he gets the talent necessary to run this system, it's gonna be scary. I mean, people thinking he's going to fail have lost their mind. Rodriguez INVENTED the spread concepts teams are using all over college football. To think that the godfather of the spread offense can't succeed, with all the talent in the world at his disposal, given the success of this offense everywhere else on the college football planet, is a bit cooky to me. COULD he fail? Sure, he could.....just like I could win the lottery.
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you know know nas you are a highly respected member here, and rightfully so. In fact i can say that you are one of only 4 dawgtalkers that I can ever remember having seen a "where is _____" thread .... with just dawgtalkers saying how much they missed you. You are reasonable, open to changing your mind, and are never obtuse. You make sigs, you defend your Wolverines no matter the situation. So with the appropriate respect let me compliment you. You are better than any politician, in your deflection of real questions and real issues. You continue to point to ....recruiting and the future...and someday. While ignoring today! That is your right as a fan. But as a fan of the other side I will repeat...Michigan is TERRIBLE!!! this season. Focus on the present because the rest is all conjecture 
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you know know nas you are a highly respected member here, and rightfully so. In fact i can say that you are one of only 4 dawgtalkers that I can ever remember having seen a "where is _____" thread .... with just dawgtalkers saying how much they missed you. You are reasonable, open to changing your mind, and are never obtuse. You make sigs, you defend your Wolverines no matter the situation.
So with the appropriate respect let me compliment you. You are better than any politician, in your deflection of real questions and real issues.
You continue to point to ....recruiting and the future...and someday. While ignoring today!
That is your right as a fan. But as a fan of the other side I will repeat...Michigan is TERRIBLE!!! this season. Focus on the present because the rest is all conjecture
I don't think any Michigan fan, myself included, would deny that Michigan is terrible this year. That is blatantly obvious. We have to have something to look forward to right? 
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In concession, I agree that fanhood is nothing without hope. I mean why else would I still be a browns fan all these years. But as an opposing fan of Michigan, I will direct the conversation to the more painful topics involving Michigan fanhood, when the opportunity allows. 
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I think this year just goes to show that to run a certain system offense, you need players that can run that system. UM doesn't have them. He lost some talent too because players either didnt want to play in the system, or play for RR.
That being siad Michigan truly is horrible this year. I also wouldn't be that confident they'll be much better next season. He'll get some more system players, but most freshman dont start peaking until after a year or two of play.
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Honestly, if you wanna bash Michigan that's fine but you're just opening yourself up to taking a beating. So let's focus on today......... So, let me get this straight. OSU's seniors passed up the NFL to come back and "prove" to the college football world that they weren't an overrated team feasting on a conference, that as a whole, was stuck in the 1940's. Both in style of play and quality of coach. So, they put up 43 on YSU, man did they look good! Then comes Ohio...who outplayed OSU for pretty much the entire game only to give the game away (aided by a few horrible non calls). Oh but they were just looking ahead right? Getting ready for USC. Don't mind that their front lines got manhandled by a MAC team that just won their first game (this weekend). So after scraping by Ohio, they trot in to So Cal only to trot out a shell of their former selves. 35 unanswered points, hung on a defense "littered with NFL talent". The third consecutive double digit beatdown, um defeat by a ranked OC foe. So OSU panics and decides to put in a freshman QB. They get by Minnesota and then need a last second TD to beat a Wisconsin team who blew a 19 point second half lead to Michigan. Hey, got that W. House of cards is still standing baby! Then at home the offensive juggernaut racks up 222 yards against Purdue and doesn't even score an offensive TD against a team that gave up 83 points and 1,338 yards in it's last 3 games. Trust me, this is the same thing Michigan mastered under Carr. They started off fast, won a title and then for whatever reason started to lose big games out of conference. Didn't matter who or where. If they were a quality team (save a few aberrations), Michigan was getting their doors blown off outside of the league. They continued to win in the conference, which seemingly covered up the warts that started to pop up. Then, all of the sudden Carr can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag against OSU and the wheels just come off. It's a story about Michigan but OSU is missing only one piece of that equation. Start losing to Michigan and you're gonna be staring at an eerily similar situation. That's all....
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Michigan has to start proving they can beat OSU
Tressel is 6-1 against them and by the looks of things this year, its about to be 7-1.
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It's a story about Michigan but OSU is missing only one piece of that equation.
I disagree. I believe things go in cycles, but come on. To say that the Buckeyes are travelling the same road as Michigan is a fantasy. Michigan has lost to a Div1AA team and a bottom of the MAC heap team at home. Tressel is not Carr. Michigan is playing at unprecedented levels....very, very bad levels. OSU thinks things are horrible when they go 9-3.
You'll never see a Buckeye team as God-awful atrocious as the current wolvies no matter how much you wish it.
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OSU's seniors passed up the NFL to come back and "prove" to the college football world that they weren't an overrated team feasting on a conference
I seem to recall a group of seniors at your school who did the same thing last year Then promptly lost to App State. At least our loss was to USC, a little easier to stomach than a loss to a division 1AA team.
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Not to mention the fact that our Heisman hopeful RB was on the sidelines during that whole game. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Anyone who doesn't think the Southern Cal - Ohio State game would have gone differently had Beanie been healthy is crazy. It's obvious that tOSU's offense is completely different when Beanie is in there. 
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you know know nas you are a highly respected member here, and rightfully so. In fact i can say that you are one of only 4 dawgtalkers that I can ever remember having seen a "where is _____" thread .... with just dawgtalkers saying how much they missed you. You are reasonable, open to changing your mind, and are never obtuse. You make sigs, you defend your Wolverines no matter the situation.
So with the appropriate respect let me compliment you. You are better than any politician, in your deflection of real questions and real issues.
You continue to point to ....recruiting and the future...and someday. While ignoring today!
That is your right as a fan. But as a fan of the other side I will repeat...Michigan is TERRIBLE!!! this season. Focus on the present because the rest is all conjecture
Hehehe........Gotta give that
If I were a Michigan boy that bleeds blue, I'm looking forward to the future too 
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Michigan has lost to a Div1AA team and a bottom of the MAC heap team at home.
If I had a quarter for everytime I've read this IGNORANT statement - or a close variation of it - in this thread I could really do some damage tonight at a local watering hole.
You people talk like TOLEDO is a group of idiots assembeled together before the game and told to do your best. We're clearly a nothing team. Right.
A lot of this has come from OSU fans and THAT is the reason the rest of the world hates you - your absolute arrogance. There's no real football in your eyes - hell even no real university or college - in the state except for you.
TOLEDO has struggled mightily for 2+ years - but before that we were, arguably, the class of the conference for a decade. I know that doesn't mean much to you buckeyes but it does mean something to us, me and all who give a damn about TOLEDO and MAC football as a whole.
Post Gradkowski, we've struggled at QB. Opelt is what he is - no Chuck Ealey (who you ask? look him up) or Grad - but he's a junior in his third year of play. One could assume he'll progress. We've always had RB's and linemen and hopefully always will. WR's have been beefed up as a unit and now the defense - the REAL problem of the last couple seasons is getting older and coming together. It's NOT a team bereft of talent. We even have a former "Mr. Ohio" running back - golly gee!!!
Nas - your team will be fine. It doesn't take a ROCKET scientist to figure out it will take time when EVERYTHING about the way you play is changed.
We've beaten Purdue, Minnesota, Penn State and Michigan. PSU and UM unquestionably the biggest wins in school history. Truly will be a glorious day when OSU is added to the list. It will happen - maybe not by TOLEDO first, but a MAC school will beat you sometime.
September 19th, 2009 at Cleveland Browns Stadium is my next chance to see it happen.
GO ROCKETS.
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So OSU panics and decides to put in a freshman QB.
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. Start losing to Michigan and you're gonna be staring at an eerily similar situation. That's all....
Dude you are such a knowledgeable guy it bugs me to watch you twist that knowledge around to suit your own blind hypocrisy.
So the Bucks putting their freshman phenom in is panic, but you are relying on two freshman QBs who are second fiddle to T Pryor to step in and solve Big M's woes? Good luck with that.
You can criticize the Bucks all you want, M is still our bitch till they prove otherwise.
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Why is that silly? Are you trying to tell me their performances in the last 2 national title games and their game against USC haven't killed the conference nationally?
That's exactly what I'm telling you. Those losses are no comparison to losing to the teams that *ichigan has lost to.
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Is Michigan part of the problem, sure but there's plenty of blame to spread around. That's why I found it a tad annoying that people are piling on Michigan as being an "embarrassment" to the Big Ten when OSU has got their butt handed to them on several occasions.
Several?????? Several occasions????? I listed all of OSU's losses over the course of the past 3.5 years.
There are a total of 6 losses.
Two of them were a TD or less margin-wise.
I ask again, which loss was an embarrassment for the Big10 in comparison to *ichigan losing to App State and a 1-4 Toledo team.
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There's been a ton of embarrassing moments for the conference in the last 3 years and thankfully, Michigan did the right thing and scrapped a system that is dead.
A ton. 
I guess "several" times of "getting our butts handed to us" = a ton.
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Part of the Big Ten's problem is that it's best teams (Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and untill recently Penn State) play like it's still 1935.
OSU has 1241 rushing yards.
OSU has 1005 passing yards.
Pretty balanced, eh?
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Look at Penn State. They are just throttling people in the Big Ten because teams in this league just cannot stop the spread offense.
Throttling people????
They beat the Illini 38-24.... they did this by pounding the ball, running it 42 times for 244 yards and a 90+ yard KO return helped as well. Not a throttling.
They beat Purdue 20-6.....they rushed 40 times for 202 yards. Not a throttling.
They throttled Wisconsin and will probably throttle *ichigan.
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So, Michigan lost to Toledo. Alabama lost to UL Monroe last year and is now the #1 team in the country.
Alabama lost 6 games last year.....and they aren't the #1 team in the country.
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Wow, was that soap box tall enough for you? Fact is Toledo is a low level team. Period. Nobody suggested they were thrown together before game time but for 98% of the players on teams like Toledo were not good enough to get recruited to an Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame ect....
This is a rivalry. We are giving our resident MU fans a good ribbing because it's a rivalry. Just about all OSU fans realize they are going through a transition and once RR gets his recruits in the rest of the big 11 better be ready to handle the spread.
Florida fans would be laughing at Florida State if they lost to a low level conference team. Oklahoma fans would be laughing at Texas fans if Texas lost to a low level conference team.
Rivalries are not exclusive to Ohio State.
Fact is Michigan was 24-0 against the MAC before that game. Nobody in their right mind would of thought that Toledo would beat them.
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