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I know it's early in the season, but the Pistons start a 4 game west coast swing tonite, and we have the next 3 at home. Let's play well....
Our first game with them is next Wednesday in the Palace...
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LeBron with 41 AGAIN. 5 game win streak, let's see if we can keep it going against Denver on Thursday.
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Celtics beat the Pistons today. Cavs move into 1st in the central!
I know it's early in the season but that sounds really nice to say. 
They need to keep up the TEAM effort. Last night was more the LBJ show in the 4th quarter... obviously that has not accomplished much for us in the past. I hope Boobie finds his shot soon. I think Mo is a great addition to the team!
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I'm getting a little nervous about Mo. His stats aren't too far away from one Larry Hughes (14 ppg and 40.9% FG and Mo's 3% is lower than Hughes ever was). Anybody else worried?
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Are you kidding? Mo's scoring numbers might seem low but he's been a spark for our team. Don't always look at the numbers to determine how a player is doing. Thats like looking at Wallace's stat line and saying he's worthless because he hasn't been scoring.
Look at the players around Lebron and Mo. Players like Delonte are doing great because they are feeding off of these two. They are doing a great job at spreading the ball around which is fueling the rest of the team. I've never seen us move the ball around like we are now with Hughes in the lineup.
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All I heard about MO when we traded for him was he brings no D to the table. I've watched the last two games and his D looks above average to me.
He hustles every play, he brings the ball up the court very well, he doesn't throw up bad shots just to get his, he gets everyone on the floor involved, low turnover rate, IMO great trade by bringing him in.
Anyone else notice they had one turnover last night in the second half, and that was LBJ taking a 24 second violation with under 30 seconds left? I think he should have shot it though to get the crownd free chalupas or something, for scoring 100 points.
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Look at the players around Lebron and Mo. Players like Delonte are doing great because they are feeding off of these two. They are doing a great job at spreading the ball around which is fueling the rest of the team. I've never seen us move the ball around like we are now with Hughes in the lineup.
That may be true BUT......Mo's FG% is the same as Hughes. And Hughes was ripped up and down on this and many other boards for being a terrible shooter. And Hughes 3pt % was never this bad. You can talk about how he's better for the team than Hughes.....but their statistical performance on the court has been very similar.*
*I'm not one of those stats slaves. I understand you can make stats tell any story you want. However, I'm only speaking to Mo's shooting woes, which you can't deny are present. He may be helping the team elsewhere on offense, which is fine.....but I want him to be what everyone said he was going to be......a sharp shooter that takes pressure of Lebron and opens the floor up for everyone. Eventually, if his shooting stays the same....people will let him shoot and collapse for the rebound.
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That may be true BUT......Mo's FG% is the same as Hughes. And Hughes was ripped up and down on this and many other boards for being a terrible shooter. And Hughes 3pt % was never this bad. You can talk about how he's better for the team than Hughes.....but their statistical performance on the court has been very similar.*
Dude are you serious?
You want to compare Hughes career shooting %'s or even his run with the Cavs shooting %'s to a 2 week stretch for Mo? Come on.
Hughes was never a good FG% shooter, it wasnt so much he was ripped for his shooting %, but his shot selection, the whole world knew he was a terrible shooter, yet he still kept shooting mostly jumpshots.
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Again, I'm not saying Mo IS Hughes.....I'm saying I'm a little worried at his early performance. I'm not going to create a sister website to www.LarryStopTakingSoManyHorribleShots.com (or whatever is was). I'm a little concerned, that's all. If he turns it around over the next few weeks....then shame on me for calling it out now. I was only asking.
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I did go back and look at the stats and his numbers are comparable to Larry Hughes so far. However looking at the stats I saw a couple differences.
Mo Williams is averaging 3 more assists per game.(6 total). he is much better at creating for other players.
The other thing to keep in mind is that he has provided a competent ball handler that takes pressure off of Lebron having to bring it up.
The third factor that separates him from Larry Hughes is health. Even if the stats are the same, if Williams can stay healthy, he is all ready an upgrade over Larry Hughes. That is even without taking into account his ability as a facilitator and his ball handling skills that i mentioned earlier.
And the contact is not as bad as Hughes. He is only getting paid 8 mil per compared to larry's 12 mil per.
It would be nice to see his shooting tough come back, but at this point I would be more worried about Gibson's Touch than Williams.
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Yup, Boobie hasn't been able to hit a thing recently. The Bulls announcers were banging on Gibson when the Cavs played here in Chicago. At one point, they were laughing at him. Of course he came out in the 2nd half and promptly hit 2 3's to shut them up.
Maybe it has something to deal with learning their new roles in the offense with Mo around, I don't know.
Dang, where is Lebron_James? He's usually the one that breaks it all down for me to understand (not to say the ones that did reply to my question are chop liver).
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Thats my point though, why are you worried now, only 2 weeks into the season?
Hughes didnt have a track record of being a good shooter. Now if Mo keeps it up and we are at the all-star break, then maybe you worry about whats going on, but 2 weeks into the season, shoot, im not worried at all, especially when we are winning.
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2 weeks into the season, shoot, im not worried at all, especially when we are winning.
Bingo! I am guessing Punchsmack did not watch the away game at Dallas (our 4th game of the season). We had a small lead entering the 4th and Mo Williams promptly hit 4 STRAIT jumbers on CONSECUTIVE possesions. He also had 2 assists to cap the run and help us runaway with the game early in the 4th with LBJ on the bench...
Another thing, Mo MAKES free throws. So nice to have him shooting all the Illegal D technical fouls, as well as tossing it to him late in games when the other D has to foul to try and make up a differential on the scoreboard..
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It's also nice when he DOESN'T take the second pass of the possession ... take one step inside the 3 point line, and hoist up "clanger". 
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Yeah, I missed the Dallas game. Being in Chicago makes it difficult to catch all the Cavs games on TV. I get to watch all the national telecasts and anything against Bulls. The two games I watched against the Bulls is where this nervous feeling started:
CHI = 5/11 FG - 1/2 3FG - 2/2 FT - 4 A - 4 TO - 13 PTS
@CHI = 4/11 FG - 0/2 3FG - 3/3 FT - 7 A - 3 TO - 11 PTS
That's a .409 FG%, .250 3FG%, 1.000 FT%, 11 A, 7 TO in two games. Just by watching these two + the Boston games, combining that with what I've seen in the boxscores of the other 5 games and comparing that with what I thought he'd be doing....I'm a little nervous. I understand it's a small sample. And I wouldn't call this bad by any means...I just thought he would be better.
Yes, I do like his free throw shooting. That was something that Hughes and heck, this entire team struggled with during the past three years. It's a nice piece to have.
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It's also nice when he DOESN'T take the second pass of the possession ... take one step inside the 3 point line, and hoist up "clanger".
That was one of the biggest things with Hughes. I mean, anyone who thought he was a good shooter when we signed him obviously doesnt follow basketball that much, but the fact that Larry decided to try and become this long range shooter was what fired most people up. It was like he was out to prove to everyone he was a legitimate jump shooter.
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It wasn't just that ... it was that he would have to take these 22 and a half foot jumpshots ... I mean, take a half step back and hoist up a three. That way when you get lucky, we at least get 3 points instead of 2. 
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good win last night with the cavs, although i had the same feeling when ohio state beat ohio. it was a win, but it was ugly.
honestly, we know what this team is. we know that they show up in the playoffs. so honestly, i don't care how they win in the regular season, just that they win.
and if you are going to compete for a homecourt, top seed spot in the playoffs, you had to win a game like last night, at home against an inferior team. but without michael redd, how the hell do you not blow that team out?
as far as mo williams goes, i know the shooting percentage is larry-esque, but like larry's website says, it's about the bad shots. mo williams does not take a bunch of bad shots, and when it comes down to crunch time, he's extremely smart with the ball. remember when larry would dribble, stop, and just as he went up to take a shot, you'd cringe? i don't see that with mo. plus he's great when he puts the ball on the floor, he can create his own shot, he can get to the basket. i love our team speed, we have 3 guys who can get up and down the floor with the best of them.
and just watching the offense, it's great, guys are moving their feet, there isn't a whole lot of standing around and watching #23 (there was some last night, but he was hitting his shots, so nobody notices)
the lebron and 4 offense isn't the worst thing in the world, but as i have said numerous times, less is more. when he's on, get the hell out of his way. when he's not, you have to move your feet, you have to do your part.
watching mo, i think he's still trying to feel this team out. the point guard position when you are a new team can be a tough thing to grasp, he has done well, but look later on in the year for him to really make an impact.
i love the contributions from this team though, everyone seems to be doing their part.
i know wally has looked a little better, but he still seems like he doesn't fit this team. and as much as we all bagged on larry legend, wally makes the same amount of money, and doesn't scare anyone defensively.
i was in larry's defense until his comments after the trade. about how he thoughts making the finals should have been good enough, how the cavs asked him to sacrifice things for the better of the team. i still can't believe those quotes didn't get a ton of pub. it's almost as bad as latrell saying all those millions couldn't feed his kids. i mean larry, we paid you over 70 million dollars, and you don't want to sacrifice a few things? and losing a championship series is good enough?
i'm glad he's gone. in the words of coach singletary, i want winners.
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oh, and if we are going to compare someone to larry legend, how about boobie gibson last night?
don't shoot it, boobie, don't shoot it.
i hope it was just a bad game. he's usually money at home.
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for those that didn't see the dunk, or even those who did on fsn ohio (because they went to a view from behind the basket) here is a great look my friend sent me... WOW that is disgusting. fsn ohio did a complete injustice to everyone by switching views.
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the producer or whoever was in charge of camera angles should be fired 
also fire mccloud and bring back reghi 
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Cavaliers Declared NBA Champions As Basketball Knocks Off Early
NEW YORK—A happy, triumphant, and visibly relieved LeBron James accepted the 2009 NBA Championship trophy from commissioner David Stern at a small ceremony in New York Wednesday, just hours after the NBA announced that it would be canceling the remainder of the 2008–2009 season to give itself, and sports fans, a much-needed break.
"On behalf of the Cavaliers, I'm glad I could bring them the title, but mostly I'm just glad I don't have to play all that basketball," said James, who wore street clothes to the 15-minute presentation and left without taking questions. "You have to admit, 80 games is a lot of damn basketball. I'm still tired from last season."
"Cleveland fans are the greatest in the world," James added before leaving for an extended vacation in Costa Rica. "We couldn't have done this without them."
According to Stern, the decision to call off the season was reached by league-wide consensus late last week, when a panel of NBA coaches and front-office executives tasked with investigating professional basketball's recent dip in popularity revealed that the panel members themselves were experiencing general feelings of malaise, mental and emotional fatigue, and overall indifference towards the sport.
"At that point, it seemed prudent to give everyone a rest," Stern said. "We need to get people excited about basketball again, and it's obvious the best way to do that is to stop shoving so much basketball down people's throats all the time. I know that I myself am getting utterly sick of the game."
"And naming the Cavaliers as the champions is just good for the sport, too," Stern added. "I look forward to their title defense in 2009, when they've had time to rest up from this short but frankly exhausting season."
Stern also announced that the WNBA would continue to play its current season, but was reminded by reporters that the WNBA had actually concluded its season on Oct. 5, a fact Stern said "just goes to show you."
News of the NBA's new champion and abbreviated season was met with a combination of acclaim and relief around the basketball world, which has not had any time off from itself since a three-month strike gave everyone a welcome break from the 1998–1999 season.
"I've certainly had enough basketball in the last two weeks to last me a while," said Cleveland fan Andrew Rappman, a regular at the Cav Shack, a Cleveland-area sports bar. "It was really a great season—the Cavs only lost two games, and to see Zydrunas Ilgauskas named as Finals MVP was bittersweet, since he probably would've really had a great Finals if they'd played, and because I'm not sure he'll be back. Or me, either, actually, because I'm taking a break from hoops until March Madness starts."
"I think this is just what basketball needs," said Michele Tafoya, a former basketball reporter for ESPN. "Less basketball. There are still plenty of great stories—Iverson as a Piston, Greg Oden missing another season, the Oklahoma City Thunder winning only one game, and now the Cavaliers' first championship. I don't see how playing a couple thousand games was going to change anything."
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The good so far tonite: If this were last year we would prolly be down by 15. Mo Williams is really shooting the rock..
The bad so far tonite: Pick and roll D, transition D
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our d, plain sucks tonight.
and i agree, last year we'd be down. no doubt about it. we may be a better team overall then denver, but if you look over the last few years, really all the years since lebron and melo have been drafted, denver has won the series by a pretty large margin.
but with mo, everything has changed. our offense can now carry our defense. we're almost ten games into the year and we have yet to not be in a game.
this one looks like it's gonna have a fun finish.
and whattya know, cleveland plays denver in a sport, and defense is optional.
hopefully the cavs don't "quit" with this lead.
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I know it is early in theyear but the little I have seen of this team, I am getting a bit excited. Williams give us that scoring threat when Bron is not in the game. I also like Williams and Boobie on the floor together at the same time. They are wrappiing this one up while Bron chills on the bench.
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i know, they have been fun to watch...
the biggest difference, and the best thing, is what this team does when lebron is on the bench. no more dryspelling. brown makes sure that almost 100% of the time that bron or mo is on the floor.
both can be floor generals. so we always have a bona fide ball handler in the game.
this was an even game until the cavs locked down on defense... when you get stops, the big 3 pointers and dunks seem to hurt a bit more. especially at home with the crowd behind you.
last year, and really, i mean the playoffs, the cavs would always struggle when either boston or even washington at times would pressure in the backcourt, delonte west seemed hesitant to handle the ball, leaving just lebron to handle running the offense, the result would be lebron getting some ridiculous shot, or the alternative, a miss. there wouldn't be any motion with the offense, and nobody else wanted to take a shot.
that won't happen anymore. not with mo out there, and not with delonte looking like the playoffs and training camp have made him a better fit.
teams can't sag their defense to the side that lebron is on, well they can, but with 2 guys who can get to the rim, and with our bigs all great offensive rebounders, they'll be risking too many easy baskets.
and i love the speed. can't say enough about how we can get out and run.
and to the disbelief of mike brown, you can't always play in the 80's... if you watch the spurs, they don't always play low scoring games, they will play your style, and they'll beat you at it. they'll run, or they'll grind, that's what they have done over the years.
that's the biggest key to the regular season, you grind in the playoffs, nobody runs and get away with it. but during the year you've gotta be flexible in your style.
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lolz, kenyon martin thrown out of the game.
seriously, i don't know why people want this guy on the cavs. he's garbage.
he was a decent player when he was younger, before the injuries, but his attitude toward the game sucks. and right now the cavs have every guy commited to the cause. he's a cancer, and i hope we never try and acquire him.
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Looks like Boobie got out of his mini slump. I love the fact that he now has a well rounded offensive game. That is gonna be huge moving forward. You can tell the coaches have really worked with him Great to see big Ben make 3-3 from the line and have 11 pts. for the game. Say what you want, but that's gotta make Wallace feel good to get a W and get in double figures What else can you say about Mo? Wasn't someone bitching about him not making shots the other day? As far as I am concerned, anyone who wants to compare him to Larry Hughes should be locked outta this thread Like LB just said, we beat Denver at their own game. We really played "western conference" style basketball. It is so awesome that we can now play both styles. We have versatile basketball players, and most importantly, basketball players that are improving still...
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I only want him on the Cavs if he comes as part of a package deal for Carmelo.
Pretty good game from the Cavs tonight! Both Gibson and Mo Williams played really well. I think we really pulled away for a double digit lead with LeBron on the bench, and those two on the floor.
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One more thing..
I know it's early, but GO WARRIORS tonite!!
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I know it is early in theyear but the little I have seen of this team, I am getting a bit excited.
I'm really, really, really trying NOT to get excited because, well, let's face it, it's a Cleveland team... but I can't help myself. I wish it was the end of the season with the playoffs in sight...
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I'm really, really, really trying NOT to get excited because, well, let's face it, it's a Cleveland team... but I can't help myself. I wish it was the end of the season with the
it is a long season and the Cavs are jst getting started, alot left to play out. I'm not a big B-Ball fan, but have been keeping an eye on the Cavs, I hope for Cleveland and all you B-ball fans Labron will bring a championship home to Cleveland. i'd probebly watch a few games & jump on the bandwagon.
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My take on all of this early success is, it's gonna seal the deal on RAC. Come January and the Cavs are still rocking at, say 28-5, and the "playoff " Browns are no where to be seen, the pressure to make a move will intensify.
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My take on all of this early success is, it's gonna seal the deal on RAC. Come January and the Cavs are still rocking at, say 28-5, and the "playoff " Browns are no where to be seen, the pressure to make a move will intensify.
human nature might say it's possible, but do you really think what the Cavs do will change anything Phil will do for a Football team. I dont think so, if Phil wants to make a move Phil will make a move regardless of the Cavs record.
but I do undertsand what your saying and agree it does have an effect on us fans and how much we scream about a move.
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I didnt care for him on SNL but he was pretty funny in Half Baked
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K-Mart does come across as that he's a legend in his own mind, but I agree with you he's not only injury prone, he just doesn't isn't what he once was.
If anything I would rather grab McDyess before K-Mart, though I doubt either will happen I just think they are similar players at this point and time in their careers.
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