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I am (was) a McCain voter,...I want our new President to have his chance. Maybe he can be "Mr. Fix It."

I don't even pretend to know the finer details of the Wall Street bailout, but even while the majority of this money appears to be for shoring up losses in the housing market(s), it just seems to me that this should have automatically carried over to ensuring the "strength" of stock values across the board in ALL investment aspects -- to include the solvency of the Big Three automakers' stock prices, and then thereby, their financial strength.

Guess not,...

So now we just bail out everybody,...

It's based on a facade of value that doesn't even really exist. Look how the price of gas flucuated based on speculators,...it's now only 1.65 where I live. What the hell is going on ??

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Feds unveil plans to unfreeze consumer debt market

By JEANNINE AVERSA and MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writers Jeannine Aversa And Martin Crutsinger, Ap Economics Writers – 1 hr 14 mins ago


WASHINGTON – The government has introduced a pair of new programs that will provide $800 billion to help unfreeze the market for consumer debt which Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson calls vital to supporting the economy.

Paulson says key markets for consumer debt such as credit cards, auto loans and student loans essentially came to a halt in October. He says the new programs are aimed to get lending back to more normal levels.

Paulson says all the government programs have been aimed at supporting the lending that is vital to the economy.




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I just got my letter in the mail yesterday from the FHA wanting to know if I wanted to refinance my 1st mortage, 2nd mortgage, car loan, and get some extra money for vacations, or christmas all at a fixed rate 30 year mortgage at six percent


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we only gave $700 billion to Paulson, and now some of that is looking to go to Detroit, and a lot of the rest has gone to companies like AIG and PNC so that they can profit by buying up the banks that didn't get bailout money..... so, just where in the hell is this $800 billion coming from?

I am SOOOOO freaking sick of propping up failure... let's this damned thing crash already so that we can start fresh.


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When does it end? I'll tell you....it doesn't.

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They can knock it off after they give me my 10 million dollar bail out


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I am SOOOOO freaking sick of propping up failure... let's this damned thing crash already so that we can start fresh.





...wow.

Did you cut/paste this from a Browns rant in 'Pure Footbal?'



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I think he said that the last time he was near me while I was drinking and piling up the cans


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Fed throws fresh lifeline to financial system
By Mark Felsenthal Mark Felsenthal – 1 hr 36 mins ago


WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Federal Reserve threw a massive life-line to consumers on Tuesday with two new programs aimed at making it easier for them to obtain loans for homes, cars and on credit cards.

Under the new mortgage program, the Fed will buy up to $100 billion of debt issued by government-sponsored mortgage enterprises Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Home Loan Banks. It will also buy up to $500 billion of mortgage securities backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Ginnie Mae.

The central bank also launched a $200 billion facility to support consumer finance, including student, auto, and credit card loans and loans backed by the federal Small Business Administration. This will lend to investors who hold securities backed by this debt.

The launch of the two programs lifted investor spirits and drove up the blue chip Dow Jones industrial average more than 100 points, or about 1.3 percent, within minutes of its open.

"One of the big problems we have is that there has been a lack of demand for debt. You have seen the market for securitized debt such as credit cards or student loans dry up completely," said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Florida.

"Here is the Fed taking a bunch of debt out of the market," he said. "It should help unblock the credit markets."

The new mortgage-support facility was intended to strike at the collapsed housing market, the core of the United States' economic woes.

"This action is being taken to reduce the cost and increase the availability of credit for the purchase of houses, which in turn should support housing markets and foster improved financial conditions more generally," the Fed said.

Investor appetite for both the debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the mortgage-backed securities they guarantee has dried up since the government seized the companies in September, and the Fed hopes to fill that void.

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"They are getting to the heart of the problem, it's clean, it's quick, it's direct," said Todd Abraham, co-head of government and mortgage bonds at Federated Investors in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "It's a good way to bring down mortgage rates."

Under the consumer-finance facility, the Treasury will help cover any losses the Fed might face by providing $20 billion of credit protection from its $700 billion financial bailout fund, which Congress approved last month.

A Treasury spokeswoman said the $20 billion will come from the remaining unallocated $40 billion in the first tranche of the $700 billion financial rescue fund. That leaves Treasury with $20 billion, and once that is used it must ask Congress for access to the remaining $350 billion in the fund.

The Treasury noted that issuance of asset-backed securities in consumer lending categories such as credit cards, auto loans and student loans had essentially ground to a halt in October. Last year, issuance was roughly $240 billion.

"Continued disruption in the ABS market could further deteriorate credit availability for consumers and increase the prospects for further deterioration in the economy generally," the Treasury said in a statement.

The Fed's twin announcements marked the latest in a series of emergency measures by U.S. authorities to try to keep the economy from falling into a deep and prolonged recession. Late Sunday, the government stepped in to prop up the second largest U.S. bank Citigroup.

Most economists say the emergency steps represent a necessary, if ad hoc, response to the greatest financial shock the United States has experienced since the Great Depression.

Some, however, are worried the mounting costs of the measures, which have the potential to reach several trillion dollars, could eventually fuel a troubling inflation.

"It may mean (a) longer-run issue with inflation and inflation concerns," said John Silvia, chief economist at Wachovia Securities in Charlotte, North Carolina. "It may be too much of a good thing is a bad thing. We may be overpaying for bad assets."

Policy-makers, however, have signaled a willingness to do whatever it takes to try to tamp down the risk of a severe recession.



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This is incredible to watch. Pathetic co's being bailed out daily by the gov't. Good stuff!


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The Federal Reserve threw a massive life-line to consumers on Tuesday with two new programs aimed at making it easier for them to obtain loans for homes, cars and on credit cards.



Uhhhh, maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place? Where the heck is this money coming from? We haven't even given it all out yet and we are approaching 2 trillion dollars!!!


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but isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place




Yes and no. The Banks were giving loans to people who should never have gotten loans. Now they have gone overboard and are turning people down for loans who never missed a payment in their life


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OK. I haven't tried to get a loan for over a year now; I'd fit into the "never turned down" category. I could see where that would be very frustrating.


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Not to mention the bank rates on car loans have gone up 2 to 3 percent in the last four months. and we have had three banks pull out of Ohio all together. GMAC right now will not approve ANYBODY for over 60 months. They will not finance more than invoice on a new car, and they will not approve anybody with less than a 700 credit score.


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All these new credit availability ideas are great, assuming people have jobs.


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