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as is the case more often than not lately U just don't get it ..
Oh, I get it. Maybe if you look at the big picture rather than one press confrence, you will too!
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Randy's job is to hire FOOTBALL PEOPLE to run his football team .. then get the HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM DO THERE JOBS ..
if he is not happy with the job they do its his RIGHT to GET RID OF THEM ... thats alot different than telling them HOW TO DO THERE JOBS .. witch is what he is doing when he says .. pick a QB cuase I am to impatient and can't put up with this no more ..
Impatient? Is that what you call giving a person control of your team, and after over FOUR AND A HALF YEARS they STILL can't seem to come up with a face for your franchise?
That's not being impatient Diam, that's just getting plain SICK of incompitance!
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just because it is his right to tell them how to do there jobs does not mean its SMART ...
I guess maybe it's your perception of what his message did or didn't mean. If you believe he's telling Phil and RAC how to run this team in the future? Then I agree with you.
But that's not what I see. I see it as the reasons he is giving as to why at least RAC won't be here next year. IMO, he's laying the groundwork to the fans as to why he will be letting RAC and maybe Savage as well go at the end of the year.
More of a PR statement to prepare us for the changes that will be forthcoming and the thought process behind it. Let's face it, if he were confident that either and or both would remain next year, we wouldn't have heard the "I'll wait until January" line. Instead we would have heard a ringing endorsement of Savage and RAC as we have heard in years past.
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hes a FAN that OWNS A TEAM ...
.............That pays the bills and signs the checks.
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that does not make him qualified to TELL HIS FOOTBAL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO FOOTBALL STUFF ...
But it DOES qualify him to decide IF these people will remain at their positions. Which is precisely what I think this statement is laying the groundwork for. And if you actually go back and read his statement? I believe you'll find he stated that the lack of having a face for the franchise was a "big disapointment to him". Which IMO, is laying the groundwork for change, not telling someone what to do.
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a GOOD OWNER follows my formula .. NOT YOURS ... see Jerry Jones ... its no coincidence when LETS FOOTBALL RUN his team .. they do good .. when he GETS INVOLVED .. not so good ..
Hate to break it to you, but Jerry Jones hires and fires EVERYONE that works for him. And somehow, as suckey as you seem to think he is? He has a LOT OF RINGS!
Now if you see Randy's statement as trying to dictate to Phil and RAC "what to do", then we generaly agree.
But I don't think that statement had anything to do with that. I think it was a summation of why we won't be seeing at LEAST RAC here as our HC after this year. And maybe not Phil either........
JMHO
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he told them to PICK A QB ... thats what he said ... i am not quite sure how it gets any more black and white than that .. but u can muddle anything up as u have proven once again with this one ...
and if U can't understand the Jerry Jones thing .. oh well ..
I'm done here with this .. no way are u drawing me into a squablle with U .. your as bad as green font man ... *L* ..
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No, it's really very simple. You see it as Randy dictating how they run the team. I see it as Randy laying the groundwork to the fans as to his reasoning for firing one or both of them at the end of the season. Either of us may be right or wrong. Time will tell. There's really nothing to argue about. Time will tell us how this plays out. Unless you feel dictating five games at the end of a lost season when RAC won't even be here next year as such a TERRIBLE thing.  But I can hardly see how laying the groundwork to your fan base as to why you need to make a regime change during the off season as such a terrible thing IF that's how it plays out. Quote:
Lerner expressed frustation that the team has failed under the present regime, and before, to establish an identity. He also indicated he was not happy that his football operation has failed to choose a quarterback around which to build the team.
Once again, he is frustrated by it. And he has let Phil know it has him frustrated. Talk about twisting?
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Is that what you call giving a person control of your team, and after over FOUR AND A HALF YEARS they STILL can't seem to come up with a face for your franchise?
Is that the deadline? 4 and a half years????
Opie will hit that mark with the Browns in July of 2009...... 
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I'm not wanting Opie to leave. BUT, he was GM for the 05,06,07 and over half of the 08 season. Which would be year four of his five year plan as he outlined. And over half way through that fourth season. Of course you knew what I meant to begin with. You're not that slow Shep. But I explained it for you just in case you're slipping.
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Randy's job is to hire FOOTBALL PEOPLE to run his football team .. then get the HELL OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THEM DO THERE JOBS ..
Why?? He owns the team.
You make it sound like this football stuff is hard.
It doesn't take a "football guy" to understand you need to pick a qb and stick with it.
It doesn't take a "football guy" to see a crappy product.
It's one thing to have a meddlesome owner and a owner to speak up when everything about his team is going down the drain...on the field, in the papers, on the sideline with a coach who seemingly can't coach, and a GM who is sending off text messages telling fans what to do.
Sorry man...that isn't disheartening at all....him saying or doing nothing is what would be disheartening.
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I tend to agree. I despise owners who stick their noses in where they don't belong, but this is a rare case that it's welcome.
I mean, pick a QB here and get on with it!!!
We've been doing this for close to 10 years now... QB of the month... seems that every off-season we don't know what our QB situation is going to be.
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Hmmmm, I seem to recall a press conference where that very thin happened. Just because BQ is injured doesn't mean that the decision hasn't been made. It has been made for some time now.
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Why?? He owns the team.
Yes he does .. and that makes it his RIGHT to do so .. but it doea not make it RIGHT ... hes sticking his nose where it does not belong ... and that is STUPID ... and the fact U agree he should be doing it .. well that just proves to me how stupid it is ...
everyone is frustrated ... and Randy stuck his nose where it shouldn't be . so all the dolts are all excited .. OH BOY ... HE REALLY CARES ... 
just because U don't have enough smarts to see it for what it truely is .. don't make it any more pallatable to me ....
what is popular isn't always right .. and what is right isn't always popular ....
i gotta run for a bit .. gonna respond to your dumbass comments in the other thread (nice try though .. the guy groomed for 9 years and U use that as your example of a business guy .. *LOL* ,,,, Oh and so far he has not done diddly ... but hey prop him up pre-maturely ... then when the wind starts blowing the other way .. you;ll be all over him .. *L* .. ) ...
then it will be break time for me from this place for awhile .. the ignorance has gotten to me once again ...
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Sorry man....he was in an administrative role....he was never a "football" guy.
Deal with it.
If he can groom....Lerner can groom as well....he's owned the team several years now...that's long enough to open his mouth.
It's not like he is calling plays here.
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I'm not wanting Opie to leave. BUT, he was GM for the 05,06,07 and over half of the 08 season. Which would be year four of his five year plan as he outlined. And over half way through that fourth season.
Do you have a calculator or an abacus handy? You may want to use one of them because you're not doing well otherwise.
Here, add them slowly
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Right? With me so far?
Now add in the partial 08 season as you mentioned.
Click the beads on the abacus together and what do you get? YOU stated he has been working at it for us for over 4 and a half years, and that is NOT correct. He was hired in January of 2005 so, as I said, in July of 2009 he will have hit 4.5 years.
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Of course you knew what I meant to begin with.
The only thing I "knew" was that you may be embellishing or you were perhaps confused, so I thought I would clarify it for you.
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You're not that slow Shep. But I explained it for you just in case you're slipping.
And I've explained the truth to you.....hope you can comprehend it.
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"We all have to play better for D.A.," said center Hank Fraley. "We didn't play well when he was in there before. As an offense, if we're playing well, he looks great. If not, he looks bad."
So I guess this means no more "A" Gap blitzes are in store 
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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CHRIST HAS RISEN!
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Yes, he is over half way through his fourth season as the Brown GM. Over half way through year four of a five year plan he proclaimed when he got here! 05 being year one (season 1) 06 being year two ( season 2 ) 07 being year three ( season 3 ) 08 being year four ( season 4 ) So you can cut the semantics any time now.
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Hmmmm, I seem to recall a press conference where that very thin happened. Just because BQ is injured doesn't mean that the decision hasn't been made. It has been made for some time now.
I know that.. I was just speaking in general terms about how almost every year we've had a QB carousel. I know RAC has committed to Brady... as much as a lame-duck coach CAN commit to a QB for the next seaosn, when he might not be here.
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So you can cut the semantics any time now.
It has nothing to do with semantics.....YOU said he was at it for OVER four and a half years. Facts are he hasn't been at it for even four years now...you can keep the smilies in check; you embellished because:
A) It sounded more convincing
B) You didn't actually know
Doesn't matter which but it's made up either way.....and I don't recall him preaching of a 5 year plan when he got here. I recall that phrase from back in the day but not this regime. Did you make that up too or is my memory just failing me?
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