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He's just mad because we have something he doesn't.....and it's easy to get.
Why can't everyone just be happy believing what they do and let others do the same without saying they are wrong, or jealous, or stupid, or whatever? I hate religious threads around here. 
Quite honestly, in all the years hanging out on this board, all I see are a bunch of hypocrites...and that's just plain sad.
I think you are right on.Unfortunately far too many religions believe they need to preach to those that don't believe the same as them because they think people can only find salvation if they change their beliefs.
I was told I couldn't go to heaven unless I was baptised. I was baptised as a Catholic not long after birth but it didn't count because I didn't make the choice for myself and that I was never emersed.
I do get ticked when people make fun of my beliefs, even though I have many disagreements with my own church. I find no reason to belittle those who choose not to believe.
Phil and some others think that us believing in God is stupid, and they have no quams saying it. I think if I was standing alone in a room with Phil he would convey his beliefs in a different manner. We are on a messge board and many of us don't know each other so it is easy to acts like sses to each other....Even if we are Christians. Yes, that is hypocricy
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I think Phil really isn't bothered by Brady's or others religious beliefs, I think he holds issue with the public display. I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
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Then their are the others who still pretend God doesn't exist 
And what exactly is wrong with that? You say it like it's a bad thing? Are you saying that all those who don't believe in god are somehow more inferior than you?
That's what I never get, for some people who are supposed to believe in love for a fellow man and Christ followings people are sure quick to degrade and talk down to those who don't believe...That's how Christ would have done it.
You know what, if god is the malcontent, egomaniacal, wrathful "being" that some make him out to be I don't want to believe in god
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I think Phil really isn't bothered by Brady's or others religious beliefs, I think he holds issue with the public display. I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
I think you are wrong, with all due respect. BQ was on the sideline when he did what he did. It would've been okay with phil if BQ was sitting on the bench, instead of kneeling on the sideline? I think the answer is no.
So phil has a problem with a guy praying on the sideline. I do believe people have a right to pray in public. I have to laugh at those that get upset by it because I can't do anything else for them.
I do my best to not preach to people, be it on this board, or people I see and meet face to face. But when someone calls out another person for praying, I tend to get defensive. Just as I do when someone calls President Bush stupid. Just as I do when someone calls P.E. Obama a house negro.
Respect goes a long way with me. Those that show it, get it. Those that don't, don't deserve it. No matter how intelligent and enlightened they think they are.
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Then their are the others who still pretend God doesn't exist
And what exactly is wrong with that? You say it like it's a bad thing? Are you saying that all those who don't believe in god are somehow more inferior than you?
That's what I never get, for some people who are supposed to believe in love for a fellow man and Christ followings people are sure quick to degrade and talk down to those who don't believe...That's how Christ would have done it.
You know what, if god is the malcontent, egomaniacal, wrathful "being" that some make him out to be I don't want to believe in god
And that's fine. You don't need to believe in God. But don't tell me I can't. Don't tell me I have to keep it inside, or in church on Sunday morning. And basically that's what phil was doing. Just because it didn't suit him? Sorry.
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And that's fine. You don't need to believe in God. But don't tell me I can't. Don't tell me I have to keep it inside, or in church on Sunday morning. And basically that's what phil was doing. Just because it didn't suit him? Sorry.
1) Don't expect special treatment. Hindus, Buddists, and all faiths should be able to do the same thing
2) You can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others.
3) I never said I didn't believe in god...I just tend to believe in one that actually likes me.
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I think Phil really isn't bothered by Brady's or others religious beliefs, I think he holds issue with the public display. I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
I think he's an agnostic who would heckle his own mother if she told him she prayed for him.
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And that's fine. You don't need to believe in God. But don't tell me I can't. Don't tell me I have to keep it inside, or in church on Sunday morning. And basically that's what phil was doing. Just because it didn't suit him? Sorry.
1) Don't expect special treatment. Hindus, Buddists, and all faiths should be able to do the same thing
They can, thank you very much.
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2) You can do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others.
Exactly. And BQ praying on the sidelines infringed on NO ONE. Not ONE single person. Again, thank you for pointing that out.
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Not sure what you mean there.
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I think Phil really isn't bothered by Brady's or others religious beliefs, I think he holds issue with the public display. I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
Thank you.
A few weeks ago, Chad Johnson said that if he *had* scored, he would've displayed an Obama poster in the endzone.
How many of you who are against me on BQ would be with me if I said that CJ was stupid?
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That's one of the most inane comparisons I've ever seen on here. Ever.
Chad Johnson scoring and throwing up an obama poster, compared to someone on the sideline kneeling? Give me a break. One is trying to get his name in the media. The other one? Not quite.
Nice try, but a terrible, terrible miss.
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Both are overtacts meant to garner attention towards a belief. Honestly..are you telling me that with under 2:00 on the clock on national television, a guy as media saavy as BQ isn't aware that there are 50 cameras on him when he took bended knee, made the sign of the cross and pointed to the sky? Like, I said...he's free to do it. He's BQ, not me..whatever gets him through the night. But I think it's dumb, and I'll say so...I don't think it's so dumb to warrant a distraction from eo's thread and a tailgate discussion...but conversation is conversation around here. 
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Bottom line friend, is this: you have stated that religion is dumb. You have said it here, as well as other places. I will take you up on that, anytime.
You have called religious people dumb. Religion dumb. I don't know where you come from, and I don't care. When you call religion dumb, and those that believe in Jesus Christ dumb, I get offended. It's pretty simple.
I hope, and actually pray, that the whole Browns team prays before the game, during the game, and after the game. I hope they pray to God (not some loopy "space god") that they play their best.
I can't even say I'm glad you're happy not believing in God, but you are free to do and think as you will. Maybe you ought to let others do that as well. If you want tolerance of no religion, you might want to be tolerant OF religion.
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Bottom line friend, is this: you have stated that religion is dumb. You have said it here, as well as other places. I will take you up on that, anytime.
You have called religious people dumb. Religion dumb. I don't know where you come from, and I don't care. When you call religion dumb, and those that believe in Jesus Christ dumb, I get offended. It's pretty simple.
I think religion is dumb, yes. I don't think people who believe in religion are dumb.
Look, straight up - I think the love and obsession we all have for our football team is kind of dumb. I can explain fairly well why it makes sense, but the end of the day, it's kind of stupid. That doesn't mean we're all stupid...it's just means that we find joy and solace in something kind of trivial.
If someone were to mock me for my fervence during gametime, or the hours I spend on this board...c'mon, dude we're kind of dumb.
But it's a stupidity that comforts us...look, man, if you said something praising God in any thread, it's ignored...if I say something knocking religion, I get buried...don't act like everyone is whistling piously and I'm being crass. It goes both ways, and people who denounce religion get thrashed, despite the fact that they're a larger minority than blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.
If a Christian can tell me in a roundabout way that I'm going to Hell, then I can tell them in a straightforward way that I think they're ignorantly missing the message of their God.
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God, unlike congress, can do an infinite number of things at the same time... Just because he's answering a prayer for a kid in China that needs rice or a sick person in Ecuador doesn't mean He isn't also at a football game.
Yes, I agree, he doesn't care who wins.. but He is there.
How could he NOT be there? The way we have been playing since our return, there are 73,000 people in the stands constantly saying things like:
"Oh for the love of God"
"Jesus Christ!!!"
"If there is a God....______ will make/miss this kick, catch the ball, gain 2 yards, make a tackle"
"Good Lord!"
"Lord have mercy"
"Good God!"
As others have mentioned, I recall prayers from participating in sporting events of various kinds.....prayer was always for no one to get hurt and for us to play up to the full level of our God-given abilities. Nothing more, nothing less. Most know that it is a fruitless and selfish endeavor to pray for a "W" (even though I've done it as have many others)
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And what exactly is wrong with that?
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Are you saying that all those who don't believe in god are somehow more inferior than you?
Nope their is nobody on this earth who is better than me, or worse than me IMO.
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That's what I never get, for some people who are supposed to believe in love for a fellow man and Christ followings people are sure quick to degrade and talk down to those who don't believe...That's how Christ would have done it.
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You know what, if god is the malcontent, egomaniacal, wrathful "being" that some make him out to be I don't want to believe in god
and if he is not???
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I think Phil really isn't bothered by Brady's or others religious beliefs, I think he holds issue with the public display. I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
So you want to tell him where and when he should pray
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Honestly..are you telling me that with under 2:00 on the clock on national television, a guy as media saavy as BQ isn't aware that there are 50 cameras on him when he took bended knee, made the sign of the cross and pointed to the sky?
 Come on Phil, I bet the last thing Brady was thinking was "hmmm everybody in the country is watching me, time to pray and tick off the non believers"
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Both are overtacts meant to garner attention towards a belief.
overt; 1. Open and observable; not hidden, concealed, or secret:
By the very definition, it appears you feel that there is a reason someone should "hide prayer"? And stating someone is "trying to draw attention to a belief"?????
I hate to break it to you Phil, what "belief" is he trying to draw attention to? And what makes you feel that is his motivation? I think you're reaching quite a bit there.
Do you really feel BQ is trying to convert anyone by praying? That by praying he's trying to draw attention? That sure seems like what you're indicating here.
Can you tell me how praying is some overt act to draw attention to religion? Because I've NEVER known ANYONE to pray for such motivation.
So is it your contention that public prayer be abolished? And how do you feel praying in public harms or influences anyone else? Do you feel because BQ prays in public it will influence the youth and they will suddenly start going to Church based on BQ's praying?
What can be harmfull about BQ excercising his right of freedom of religion? I understand you don't share those views. But I think thou doest protest too much.
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I am quite sure Brady could quietly be sitting on the bench with his thoughts and beliefs without the national display.
He was on the sidelines, on one knee, with his head bowed... and a quick sign of the cross... he wasn't out in the middle of the field offering up burnt offerings or performing animal sacrifice or trying to get the whole team to join him in singing Amazing Grace.. he was essentially doing exactly what you said he SHOULD be doing (quietly exercising his beliefs on the sidelines).. the only problem is, the camera happened to catch him doing it, which is beyond his control.
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About the camera being on Quinn after the FG....guess that's what happens when you have a higher profile QB? They never showed DA like that, did they?
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I noticed that too.. during all of DAs starts, BQ got some camera time, the more DA struggled, the more they showed BQ on the sidelines... I don't recall them ever panning over to DA during the Bills game, not even once. He got in the picture a few times, but I don't think it was ever strictly designed to show him...
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Quinn did what he did for attention---and thats it. If he wasn't looking for attention, then why did he conduct his prayer with such a display?
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I never said it ticked me off. I'm just pointing out that Quinn knew exactly what he was doing when he was hamming it up for the camera's.
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Awwww, the hater doesn't like it that the guy he hates is getting attention. Of course, you should know an attention seeker when you see one, so I guess that's something.
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Quinn wouldn't know when the camera was actually filming him. I'm sure there are cameras pointed and at the ready most of the time. He was looking toward the endzone, not staring at the camera to see the little red light.
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Awwww, the hater doesn't like it that the guy he hates is getting attention. Of course, you should know an attention seeker when you see one, so I guess that's something.
Wow, what an original response---really on point there. So did you post in this thread for any other reason than to try and insult me-----pretty lame----hope your getting your jolly's with my reply.
And here's a smiley to hopefully ease the pain of being Jules today. 
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Quinn did what he did for attention---and thats it. If he wasn't looking for attention, then why did he conduct his prayer with such a display?
Since when is kneeling on the sidelines with your head bowed considered "such a display"? 
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The way I view it, is that you can pray any way you want to, and anywhere you want to.
But these decisions will affect the perceptions that others have towards you; Quinn knew this. And made his decision to do what he did, where he did---hence, he chose to do it in a way that would inevitably attract attention to himself.
Not saying that I think its wrong---I'm just saying that Quinn did it the way he did it---thus the entire thing has come up for debate.
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By the very definition, it appears you feel that there is a reason someone should "hide prayer"? And stating someone is "trying to draw attention to a belief"?????
When there's two minutes left in a nationally televised football game and you're about to orchestrate the offense, yeah, I think we can save the stations of the cross...I never said he can't do it...I just said it was attention-seeking and kind of dumb IMO.
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Do you really feel BQ is trying to convert anyone by praying? That by praying he's trying to draw attention? That sure seems like what you're indicating here.
I don't think he's trying to convert anyone...I just think he's consciously portraying an image.
Then again, what do I know...maybe he genuflects in the privacy of his own home before the day's first Myoplex.
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Awwww, the hater doesn't like it that the guy he hates is getting attention. Of course, you should know an attention seeker when you see one, so I guess that's something.
Wow, what an original response---really on point there. So did you post in this thread for any other reason than to try and insult me-----pretty lame----hope your getting your jolly's with my reply.
And here's a smiley to hopefully ease the pain of being Jules today.
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I agree completely with that post, Pit.
Thanks Jules.
I just don't understand all the uproar about someone saying a prayer.
I don't see where it hurts anyone. I don't see why anyone feels he was trying to get more attention from it.
They don't think he's already in the spotlight whether he prays or not? That the camera does not pan on him LOTS of times when he's not praying?
I just don't get it I suppose.
I mean if people wish not to pray in public, fine. If they do pray in public, fine. Heck, if they don't pray at all, fine.
IMO- That's up to each individual. I have my own beliefs. Everyone else has theirs. To each their own.
But this "anti-prayer" and "it was attention seeking" stuff just boggles the mind IMO
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I noticed that too.. during all of DAs starts, BQ got some camera time, the more DA struggled, the more they showed BQ on the sidelines... I don't recall them ever panning over to DA during the Bills game, not even once. He got in the picture a few times, but I don't think it was ever strictly designed to show him...
The media.........panning all the stories towards the golden boy..........nah.........that never happens.
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I always wear my rope chain with a simple, plain gold cross. The chain's not too long so the cross is almost always visible. I wear it mostly to show that it's ok to be of faith.
I don't preach.
Hopefully BQ does what he does with the purist of intentions.
Do the players still huddle after games for prayer?
Just curious. I can't remember the last time I saw that.
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I'm not much fo a religious guy at all, but I don't care if BQ prays during games or not. If he can win a Super Bowl for us he can pray to Satan for all I care.
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