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Thats cool...

but to blame execution on the coach,.. I don't like that....

Did Romeo pick his position coaches or did Savage ? Who picked the OC and DC ? If it wasn't with Romeo's input, then that's the only way I see Romeo have a hope of staying here. Personally, I like the guy but see him better in a DC role. Not that he would accept that in Cleveland. He could probably find himself a better job without a stigma attached to it, somewhere else.

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Did Romeo pick his position coaches or did Savage ?

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Savage picked most of them when he hired Chud....RAC had little or no say in the process

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Who picked the OC and DC ?

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Again Savage

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If it wasn't with Romeo's input, then that's the only way I see Romeo have a hope of staying here.

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Yep that was pretty much my whole point.

Romeo also hired Carthon and Grantham.

He's not blameless, and has done more than enough to get fired.

Are we sure that Savage picked all of those coaches?

If that's the case, then I'm glad Savage is gone. Thanks for clearing my head about that. Although I don't understand why the HC wouldn't pick his assistant coaches.

Who's your source he didn't get on them? That's FAR from reality.

He's like so many on this board. He thinks he knows everything, but he really knows almost zero. Romeo has been far from perfect, but he hasn't been as awful as many make him out to be.

I know when the new OC was hired (Chud) that reports were that Savage was doing the hiring and interviewing..........including the position coach positions opened at the time. So in short every coach since 06 has been a Phil hire. Before the 06 season all of the coaches were Romeo hires.

So yes, Phil has hired most of the current coaches on this team. I am not saying that Romeo should/shouldn't be fired by the way. My point is that both were at fault in this mess, and it wasn't all RAC's fault.

People forgot that issue for some reason. Savage hired the assistants and had total say over the roster. So of course, when things went bad and you are trying to lure other coaches or GMs here, Savage has to be the first to go! Now RAC might get wacked tomorrow but to think Savage would be staying is almost funny!! Marty, Cowher nor any experienced coach would not let Savage have that type of say or power.

Browns to fire coach, GM as soon as Monday.

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

Report: Browns To Ask Crennel, Savage To Step DownCleveland Browns senior vice president and general manager Phil Savage and coach Romeo Crennel both will be fired after the team lost its final six games of the year, team sources said on Sunday.


An official announcement is expected as early as Monday and no later than Tuesday.

One source said Savage was "pretty much told" he was gone by Browns owner Randy Lerner before the team left Pittsburgh after losing a 31-0 season finale to the Steelers. The Browns finished the season with a 4-12 record, dropping to a last-place finish in the AFC North behind the Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1).

Lerner is expected to make a run at former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, but there has been no indication that Cowher would embrace a job in Cleveland.

The Browns must adhere to the Rooney Rule and also interview minority candidates for the head coaching vacancy.


If Cowher rebuffs Lerner, sources say the owner wants to go through a thorough process and is expected to interview a handful of candidates for the GM and head coaching positions. League sources have speculated that Patriots vice president of personnel Scott Pioli is a potential successor to Savage. Lerner does not have a prior relationship with Pioli.


If Pioli is hired, head coaching candidates are expected to be Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz.

Lerner was unavailable for immediate comment Sunday and a Browns spokesman also had no comment. Savage also could not be reached for comment.

It was believed that Savage's future was somewhat secure, but in the past week, sources say he was notified by Lerner that he may not be involved in the franchise's process to address the future.

The Browns had high expectations after a 10-6 season in 2007 that resulted in lucrative contract extensions for both Savage and Crennel. Savage received a new four-year deal worth $2.7 million annually and Crennel got a two-year extension through 2011. Crennel has between $9-and-$10 million remaining on his contract, a source said.

Savage has had well-acclaimed drafts since he became the GM in 2004. In April 2007, he drafted Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick and traded back into the first round to choose Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. The Browns have had 10-12 players who were either selected to the Pro Bowl or who were Pro Bowl alternates during the past two years.

However, injuries and uneven play on offense and defense contributed to a dismal start that headed downhill after Quinn's season ended with a broken finger on his throwing hand on Nov. 17 in a Monday night 29-27 victory over the Buffalo Bills.

That was the last game the Cleveland offense produced a touchdown during the six-game losing streak to end the season.

Shortly after the Buffalo game, Savage had a nasty e-mail exchange with a disgruntled Browns fan that became public. Earlier, he was embroiled in a dispute with tight end Kellen Winslow, who claimed he was discouraged from disclosing that he had been sidelined by a staph infection, an ongoing dilemma for the team in recent years.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3795786

Could it be that the players just weren't talented enough to perform? Could it be that some just aren't "coachable"?

Well you would want your GM to be the one to hire the coach, so if you are replacing Savage best do it quick. Although if its Cowher you will see the coach hire the GM. I hoped Savage would survive but hey if he has to fall with Romeo so be it.

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Marty, Cowher nor any experienced coach would not let Savage have that type of say or power.

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Hmm,, Interesting thought.. and if indeed savage is gone, that might just be an indicator that Lerner has already spoken to available candidates such as Cowher and/or Schottenhiemer? Naturally, on the QT.

Just throwing that out there as food for thought.. got no proof of course.

The Pioli- McDaniels connection is seriously looking like a front runner to me.
I read it in every article right off the top!

I think Josh has an innovative mind and his lineage is pretty good.

I'm not all for a rookie HC and or another NE coordinator...but these two guys are very familiar to one another.

Could be but its not. Sorry Romeo is just completely inept and he is arguably the worst Browns coach ever.

i want no part of a NE staffer unless its belichek himself..make no mistake, he's what makes that team go..not his coordinators

Just Clicking....

This was posted on another thread..


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2008/12/browns_make_it_official_gm_phi.html

It's official, Savage is gone

I dont know he used to stay in his office for days at a time. If there is anyone that runs everything it is Bellichek. He makes ALL the decisions.

I do believe McDaniels does a lot, if not everything, for the offense.

ESPN radio reported that RAC was fired at 8:15 pm as soon as they got off the bus

Holy Crap.

I am hearing the same thing.

Poor guy.....I despised him as a coach but i always liked his demeanor and his everyman personality

I like him also...on the flip side his severence will be more than I make the rest of my life

Well that is fast.
Now,get rid of 5,6 more of those buffet busters we call d-linemen,and get some football players in here.
Are we looking at another 4yr.plan,or maybe a 5 yr. plan this time?