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what about our current assistant head coach Rip Scherer, whats the point of having him as an assistant unless he was going to be the guy to take over after crennel, i dont think he is qualified to be a hc but what happens with him now since savage is gone.....does he keep his title as assistant hc or does he just be qb coach?
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Was there an article where he flat out said "he would not" coach the Browns?
Yeah,, go to www.wkyc.com and it's on the front page.....
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Tubby, just guessing here, but I think all bets are off.. wouldn't surprise me to see the whole lot of them be gone in the next 6 weeks.
I'm expecting an complete makeover at this point. Just an opinion..
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so chud, tucker is most likley gone as well? man we are going to be starting all over yet again.....why does this keep happening 
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Pioli has a good resume but he does not have the final say in that franchise. His credintials are good, but who knows if its him or BB.
Maybe Tampa Bay will let go of Gruden and Lerner could reel him in!
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Scott Pioli's future was just discussed briefly on ESPN and it was noted that Pioli's name comes up for possible jobs every year and yet Pioli remains in NE.
Chris Mortenson said he believed this year would be different, that Pioli is ready to move on, to make his own mark. We know Randy Lerner has Pioli high on his list plus the fact that Randy said he would not rule out Mangini coming to Cleveland (and he did not say in what capacity) and that it was not certain that Crennel would not be retained as DC.
Does it mean Lerner is leaving all that to his next GM?
If that GM were from NE, it might mean Lerner's not going to say anything about individuals whose roots go back to NE.
we shall see...
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so chud, tucker is most likley gone as well? man we are going to be starting all over yet again.....why does this keep happening
Not saying it will happen, but it could! Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they just cleaned house.
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It's kinda like grabbing at straws with the NE Tree.. I'm just thinking that I'd rather go after a Russ Grimm in Arizona.. if we are going for a HC.. Floyd Reese is a winner for GM,, or if you could talk Ernie Arcorsi to come back to help build something that he can then turn over as he did wth the Giants,, that would be cool.
Ron Wolf is another guy that is one of those that could come in and build something to turn over to a hand picked successor.
I don't think we need to be hanging on everything that the Pats do or those that were or are employed by them.
We gotta cast a wider net... JMO however
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Scott Pioli's future was just discussed briefly on ESPN and it was noted that Pioli's name comes up for possible jobs every year and yet Pioli remains in NE.
Chris Mortenson said he believed this year would be different, that Pioli is ready to move on, to make his own mark. We know Randy Lerner has Pioli high on his list plus the fact that Randy said he would not rule out Mangini coming to Cleveland (and he did not say in what capacity) and that it was not certain that Crennel would not be retained as DC.
Does it mean Lerner is leaving all that to his next GM?
If that GM were from NE, it might mean Lerner's not going to say anything about individuals whose roots go back to NE.
we shall see...
IMO, I think Pioli is the right hire. I think he wants to be here, and reading up on hio, I think he's exactly what we all want and need from a GM.
I would be very disappointed if we don't get Pioli.
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Floyd Reese is a winner for GM,, or if you could talk Ernie Arcorsi to come back to help build something that he can then turn over as he did wth the Giants,, that would be cool.
Ron Wolf is another guy that is one of those that could come in and build something to turn over to a hand picked successor.
I don't think we need to be hanging on everything that the Pats do or those that were or are employed by them.
Not sure about Grimm as head coach, for me I would like somebody proven.
but I 100% agree with ya as far as GM's, bring somebody in who's been there, done that and knows how to do it. We cant wait around for a learning curve.
With our need to upgrade LB's do we lean towards a head coach with a 3-4 back ground or do we go for one with a 4-3 background. ?
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.. " Mangini " as HC. just might be the last straw for me .. Lerner picking RAC 2 as the next coach would do me in !
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I guess the real point of my thinking is that I don't want an inexperienced HC and GM at the same time again.
I can maybe live with rookie HC if I had a GM like Poili or Reese or Arcorsi. Maybe even a Schottenheimer as a GM..
I don't think it works the other way around however. Can you imagine bringing in Marty Schottenheimer with a brand new, fresh out of the box, young whipper snapper, still wet behind the ears GM.....LOL Marty would eat him for breakfast and we'd be right back here in a few years..
But bring in a Russ Grimm, or Rex Ryan, or whoever flavor of the month you find with no HC experience but good credintials otherwise, then put him with Reese, Pioli, Wolf or Arcorsi and you may have something to work with. That might work.
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With our need to upgrade LB's do we lean towards a head coach with a 3-4 back ground or do we go for one with a 4-3 background. ?
as of right now, we only have one decent linebacker in d'qwell right? with how difficult it is to find 3-4 backers in the draft (although new england always had a knack for it), you'd have to think that we'd strongly consider a 4-3 defense. i'm all for pioli and in addition, what happens if he decides the coordinator from the giants is the guy? rodgers and williams in their natural DT positions, robaire smith at one end, shaun smith (if he isn't canned for punching) or tell wimbley to gain some wait for the other end, and we have a decent to great d-line. draft a couple linebackers, a d-lineman, and a corner, and we have a nice, deep 4-3 defense.
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Scott Pioli's future was just discussed briefly on ESPN and it was noted that Pioli's name comes up for possible jobs every year and yet Pioli remains in NE.
Chris Mortenson said he believed this year would be different, that Pioli is ready to move on, to make his own mark. We know Randy Lerner has Pioli high on his list plus the fact that Randy said he would not rule out Mangini coming to Cleveland (and he did not say in what capacity) and that it was not certain that Crennel would not be retained as DC.
Does it mean Lerner is leaving all that to his next GM?
If that GM were from NE, it might mean Lerner's not going to say anything about individuals whose roots go back to NE.
we shall see...
IMO, I think Pioli is the right hire. I think he wants to be here, and reading up on him, I think he's exactly what we all want and need from a GM.
I would be very disappointed if we don't get Pioli.
big....Should Pioli agree to come to Cleveland, I've read that NE offensive coordinator might be a possible HC candidate for the Browns. I took McDanials Bio off the Pats website and it should be noted, Josh McDanials is from the Cleveland area.
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Josh McDaniels enters his eighth NFL season and his eighth season in New England. He joined the Patriots on March 1, 2001 as a personnel assistant in the scouting department and assisted the defensive coaching staff for three seasons. He began serving as the Patriots' quarterbacks coach in 2004 and was named offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach on January 20, 2006.
McDaniels oversaw an offense that broke several NFL records in 2007, including points scored, touchdowns scored and most players scoring a touchdown. Under his tutelage, 2007 NFL MVP Tom Brady broke the NFL record for touchdown passes in a season (50) and led the league in both passing yards (4,806) and passer rating (117.2). Brady also set franchise marks in nearly every major passing category, while new wide receiver Wes Welker set the franchise record for receptions in a season (112). New acquisition Randy Moss broke the NFL record for touchdown receptions with 23 and set the Patriots' franchise record for receiving yards in a season (1,439). The Patriots offense also posted the franchise's highest average yards per rush in 22 seasons with 4.1 yards per carry and the team's 17 rushing touchdowns were the second highest total in the last 20 years.
In 2006, McDaniels helped integrate several new players into the offense, including free agent signee Reche Caldwell, mid-season acquisition Jabar Gaffney and rookie Laurence Maroney. In all, six new Patriots caught at least 10 passes, including Caldwell, who led the team with career-highs in receptions (69) and receiving yards (760). Gaffney, acquired prior to week six, became a starting receiver by the end of the regular season and was the team's most productive receiver in the playoffs. Maroney, splitting time with Corey Dillon, was the third leading rusher among NFL rookies.
In his role as quarterbacks coach, McDaniels has worked closely with Brady. In four seasons working with McDaniels, Brady has compiled the top four passer ratings of his eightyear career – 92.6 (2004), 92.3 (2005), 87.9 (2006) and 117.2 (2008).
In 2005, Brady led the NFL with a career-best 4,110 passing yards, a number that exceeded his previous career high by nearly 350 yards and represents the third highest yardage total in Patriots history. Patriots quarterbacks threw 28 touchdown passes, tying the fifth-highest total for the position in franchise history. The mark was also achieved in 1986, 2002 and 2004, McDaniels' first season as quarterbacks coach. Also in 2005, the Patriots finished the season as the NFL's second-ranked passing offense (257.5 yards per game), marking the team's highest ranking in that category in 11 seasons.
In addition to assisting in Brady's continued development, McDaniels has tutored Matt Cassel, a four-year backup quarterback in college and a seventh-round draft choice in 2005. In the 2005 regular-season finale, Cassel threw his first two touchdown passes since high school as he led the Patriots on a fourth-quarter comeback against Miami that fell just two points short.
In 2004, McDaniels earned his first positional coaching responsibilities and worked with Brady to help the quarterback produce his then highest passer rating of his career (92.6) and the third highest single-season passer rating in team history. Brady's 28 touchdown passes ranked second in the AFC and tied his career high set in 2002.
Upon his arrival in New England prior to the 2001 season, McDaniels served as a personnel assistant and quickly expanded his role to include film breakdown and scouting preparation for the defensive coaching staff. He became a coaching assistant in February of 2002. In that role, his responsibilities included film breakdown and scouting chart preparations for the defensive staff. In 2003, he drew additional responsibilities working with the defensive backs
McDaniels began his coaching career in 1999 as a graduate assistant at Michigan State, working under head coach Nick Saban.
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McDaniels certainly has quite the pedigree.
He's served under two great coaches, and appears to look very qualified.
But I am a fool and get flashbacks to Weiss. We'll see, I don't think i would have a problem with that. I certainly have a ton of faith in Pioli to get the job done.
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What if we don't get Pioli?
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What if we don't get Pioli?
Then you need to get Floyd Reese on the phone immediately. I think they need experience at the GM much more than they need it at head coach.
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Oh I agree 100%. I'm just saying that we shouldn't just assume we're getting Pioli, or Reese, or anybody. We'll know when we know.
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At this point I with you....While I am honestly Not happy that Mr. Savage was let go as GM and I think we might come to regret that decision , What's Done Is Done...It time to move on , Again and that's  ....Personally IF the Browns once again fail to hire a HC & GM with have Not had success in the NFL , I'm done as an active Browns Fan....I'LL still bleed Brown & Orange inside , but the Frustration & Bitching will stop....At that point it will be clear to me that it doesn't matter , because that will be the final nail in the coffin , that provesthat the Browns will Never get it....Unfortunately , successful Head Coaches & GMs probably won't want to come here , I think that Cowher's example will be followed by any qualified individuals.....
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NFL.com's Adam Schefter believes that the Browns have a legitimate shot to land Patriots GM Scott Pioli.
Owner Randy Lerner has already been permitted to speak with the highly regarded exec, and Schefter says Pioli's willingness to listen is the first good sign. Pioli would get much more power in Cleveland
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Looking at Mangini's track record, why NOT?
I don't know who you credit for what during his HC stint with the Jets, him or GM Tennenbaum, but look at the talent brought on under HIS watch. He took mediocrity and out of his three years, which is not enough time to turn things around, had TWO winning seasons. The NY media just happens to be nastier, with even more short-sighted fans than we have here...
As far as talent, look at what he has brought in via the draft...
2006: In round one, he immediately upgraded his offensive line by drafting D-Brickashaw Fergusen and Nick Mangold. O-line there, with more depth to be added, is sitting pretty. Round 2 they draft Kellen Clemons, not a horrible move, but not necessarily panning out just yet, time could tell there... Late rounds though, they get Brad Smith (gadget play WR) and speedster RB Leon Washington... That's quite a few good pieces in one draft, it's a success...
2007: They only had four picks, but they got a shutdown corner in Darrelle Revis, and a starting quality MLB in David Harris (Revis R1, Harris R2)
Also of note, WR Chanzi Stuckey was plucked in R7.. and has seen significant playing time...
2008: Jury's out on Vern Gholston, but no one will hold it against them for this pick, as he needs time to pan out. Also in this draft they got dynamic pass-catching TE Dustin Keller, and then in R4 they got Dwight Lowry, who will start when Ty Law is out...
Otherwise, some of their Free Agent acquisitions have been solid, like Pace, Faneca, Law, Kris Jenkins, Thomas Jones, Bubba Franks, and whatnot...
Long story short, that team is in MUCH better shape than when he inherited it.. it has decent talent now, though is still a few pieces away. I don't know if it was his or Tennenbaum's move to have Favre brought in, but I don't think that move has been a success as you can see the tension between the HC and QB, and Mangini having a heart-attack on the sidelines because of #4's arrogant, poor decision-making... I bet Mangini was content with Pennington and is not at fault in New York..
Face it, the guy has won with minimal weapons, has shown the IQ to draft well, comes from a good coaching tree (Don't site Weis and Crennel as reasons not to pull the trigger), is a guy who understands quality defense (which is imperative), and is someone I feel is a good fit for the job, particularly with a competent, cooperative GM like Pioli if it falls through, so they can get players that work within the scheme together and be ON THE SAME PAGE, which is something Crennel and Savage weren't....
All in all, this Pioli/Mangini mixed drink would get us higher than we are now. I find it would be a good recipe for success, although not the ONLY one available....
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josh07....Mangini was a defensive coach at New England and I'm not sure his coaching experience either as HC or as DC or DBs coach is what the Browns need.
The Browns have more problems on the offensive side of the ball and Josh McDanials, the Patriots OC, who is from the Cleveland area and understands how Browns fans feel about their Browns, might be a better choice as a HC, IMO.
Since it's not my choice, it's best to sit back and see what happens. The first step is landing Pioli, if we can. Then if Pioli is hired, it becomes his responsibility to hire a HC.
Some have noted that the spy-gate thing between Bellichick and Mangini burned a lot of Mangini bridges back to the Patriots. It's highly unlikely that Pioli would give Mangini the time of day...unless they would kiss and make up.
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Scott Pioli and Mangini?
Sounds great to me!
And let's add yet another twist.
McDaniels as OC/assnt. HC.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, yes I think Mangini would be a good fit in Cleveland, I just don't think he's the ONLY good fit, and I'm not sure he's my #1 choice for the job right now. I just think he got the raw end of the deal in New York, and can be a success elsewhere...
As far as McDaniels, I don't mind the idea of bringing him in. I just think having a solid defensive guy would prove to be more fruitful. We're in the same division as the Ravens and Steelers. Last time I checked, we're not just going to air it out or run all over either of those teams. Trying to score 35 pts. a game to beat them, is not going to happen. We need to get our defense on THEIR levels, because defense wins championships, offense only wins video games.....
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No offfense ... but I really hate the "our (offense or defense) stinks, so we need a (ofensive/defensive) head coach.
Being a head coach isn't about being a coordinator. It's about managing the entire team. It's about putting quality people in place and allowing them to do their jobs, with you as the overseer. Why do so many offensive/defensive "genius" coordinators have lousy units that are supposed to be their specialty? (ala Lewis in Cincy with his defense, or Billick in Baltimore with his offfense) Because they try to do it all ..... they resort back to their comfort level of trying to coordinate, despite having a coordinator in place. In other words .... when they should get the hell out of the way, they instead get in the way.
Head Coaches need to manage the entire team, and their assistant coaches. They need to set the agenda ... set the tone ..... handle the egos and personaities on the team ...... see what the players can do well and make adjustments through their coordinators ... and manage the team. They need to check their egos and allow the coaches below them to handle the minute detail work ... and allow them to be great. A head coach should oversee without having his fingers in every pie. Set goals and standards .... and allow your assistants to help get you there. That's the biggest test for an effective and successful head coach.
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YTown...first, every head coach came into their first HC job as a DC or OC or specialized or were likely HC at the college level.
Other than Urban Meyer, I have not heard any college coaches mentioned for the Browns HC position. Urban is an offensive guy with experience as HC at every level of college ball and succeeded at every level.
I would not dismiss Urban Meyer as a candidate for the Browns HC job.
As far as finding a head coach who knows both sides of the ball, as I said above, they all started out as a OC or DC and learned the other side of the ball over time. Belichick was a defensive guy who learned the offensive side too as was Parcells and one of the reasons I wanted Cowher was he too, had a lot of knowledge of both the offense and defensive sides of the ball.
If we go with a young guy with offensive experience we will need a strong defensive coach to handle our problems on the defensive side of the ball. That may be a reason Lerner said something about Crennel not being completely out of the picture as being part of the Browns organization going forward (I can't recall Lerner's exact comment concerning Crennel though).
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Just clicking...
Only throwing a name out there, as the Raiders are attempting to get a hold of him, but what about Kevin Gilbride, the OC for the NYG?
Eli Manning shouldn't get all the credit there. The offensive attack is centered around a very versatile, powerful rushing attack behind one of the best-built lines in the NFL, then used to work in play action (and it's still flourishing without Plax and some no name receivers). Perhaps bringing him in, and having a defensive guru on the other side would work well. If he would bring that identity on offense to Cleveland, I would have no qualms about him being considered or even hired...
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YTown...first, every head coach came into their first HC job as a DC or OC or specialized or were likely HC at the college level.
Other than Urban Meyer, I have not heard any college coaches mentioned for the Browns HC position. Urban is an offensive guy with experience as HC at every level of college ball and succeeded at every level.
I would not dismiss Urban Meyer as a candidate for the Browns HC job.
As far as finding a head coach who knows both sides of the ball, as I said above, they all started out as a OC or DC and learned the other side of the ball over time. Belichick was a defensive guy who learned the offensive side too as was Parcells and one of the reasons I wanted Cowher was he too, had a lot of knowledge of both the offense and defensive sides of the ball.
If we go with a young guy with offensive experience we will need a strong defensive coach to handle our problems on the defensive side of the ball. That may be a reason Lerner said something about Crennel not being completely out of the picture as being part of the Browns organization going forward (I can't recall Lerner's exact comment concerning Crennel though).
It's not a matter of having a guy "specializing" in either side of the ball. It's that, to me, it doesn't matter which side of the ball the guy worked in the past.
A new head coach doesn't have the hands on duty of turning a unit around .... but rather a team. He won't be coordinating .. he'll be a head coach. We shouldn't make the mistake of saying that one side of the ball is worse off than the other, and thus narrowing down candidates based on that perception. The head coach needs to coach the team. If we get a guy who wants to coordinate ... then he should stay a coordinator. I want a guy who can see the difference between what he has done in the past, and what will be required of him as a head coach.
It's a lot like a kid being a crew leader at McDonalds, and then becoming CEO. There are some similarities in the jobs .... but there are also major differences. Both contribute to the success or failure of the restaurant .... but they do so in different ways. Both positions have similarities ..... but being a CEO has a diffrent, and far broader skill set than being a crew leader. The job also takes a different mindset. There's no micro managing as a CEO. There is more delegation. There is more reliance on subordinates. It is a more "brain on and hands off" position. It is a position that requires one who can effectively work through others, who can set organizational goals and requirements .... who can see the details without becoming bogged down in them and losing sight of the big picture.
I truly believe that this is where most failed head coaches fail. They want to be the head coach ..... but can't seperate themselves from the work they have done in the past to fully assume their new responsibilities, and allow others to handle their "old" duties.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGsk7...TGp_wNwM34wD95CLCB00Crennel out, Cowher not coming to Browns By TOM WITHERS – 18 minutes ago BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Barely into another massive rebuilding project, the Cleveland Browns have already moved to Plan B. Plan A — or Plan Cowher — has been scrapped. Browns owner Randy Lerner made his second major move of the offseason Monday by firing coach Romeo Crennel, who lost 40 games in four seasons, never made the playoffs and went 0-8 against Pittsburgh, the only full-time Cleveland coach to go winless against the archrival Steelers. Crennel's dismissal came less than 24 hours after Lerner fired general manager Phil Savage following a 31-0 loss in Pittsburgh. The Browns, who began the season pegged as one of the NFL's rising teams and ended it at 4-12 and in last place, began their offseason with a disheartening loss. Bill Cowher isn't coming to Cleveland. The jut-jawed former Steelers coach and No. 1 target on Lerner's coaching wish list told the Browns he is not interested in joining them. During a meeting on Saturday night in New York, Cowher, who has worked as a studio analyst for CBS since stepping down following the 2006 season, informed Lerner he has no intention of returning to coaching in 2009 and asked to be taken off the list of possible candidates. "The explanation that he gave," Lerner said, "was that he was very focused on his kids and his life in North Carolina, and the way he's living in a noncoaching or, if you will, a civilian existence, and that he wasn't finished with that." Lerner said he and Cowher had a long conversation about the Browns and Cowher's days as a player and assistant coach in Cleveland. Cowher, who is certain to be coveted by several other teams, could change his mind. But Lerner said he left their meeting feeling as if it would be their last. "He wasn't coy. He spoke very clearly," Lerner said. "He was very prepared to describe his position. It wasn't a dance." Lerner said he never got a chance to make a financial pitch to Cowher. "It wasn't that kind of meeting," he said. "This was an informal visit to get out on the table that he was not prepared to be considered a candidate. Had I heard otherwise, I would have skipped that meeting and said let's get to it (business)." So with Cowher apparently out of the picture, Lerner has turned his attention to finding a replacement for Savage, who improved Cleveland's talent but had management deficiencies and embarrassed the club this season when he sent a profane e-mail to a fan following a win over Buffalo. Lerner has been granted permission by New England to interview Scott Pioli, the Patriots' vice president of player personnel who helped assemble three Super Bowl winners as coach Bill Belichick's right-hand man. The 42-year-old Pioli began his NFL career in Cleveland as a pro personnel assistant under Belichick in 1992. He has worked his way up and is now regarded as one of the league's premier front-office executives. Savage was seen similarly when the Browns hired him in 2005, but Lerner feels Pioli has a more expanded role than Savage did while he was Baltimore's director of player personnel. Lerner did not know when he'll interview Pioli, who may be ready to step out of Belichick's shadow. "He's very well trained," Lerner said. "I think he's got a very attractive football demeanor. It's the right time of life for him. He's a fundamentally good guy." Lerner intends to speak with another front office executive, but wouldn't divulge his name for competitive purposes. As for his coaching search, Lerner said Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, a 32-year-old native of Canton, Ohio, was on his list and that he will likely contact Eric Mangini, who was fired Monday by the New York Jets. Mangini began his pro career as an intern with Cleveland in the 1990s. Lerner will abide by the league's Rooney Rule and interview at least one minority candidate. He said two interviews are being planned. Lerner also expressed an interest in speaking with Bill Parcells if he leaves the Miami Dolphins. Floyd Reese, Charley Casserly and Tom Donahoe are other possibilities to become Cleveland's next GM. Lerner has also inquired about Mike Holmgren, who stepped down after 10 years coaching Seattle, and is planning to take a year off. "I do not plan to stop there, but I don't expect that he won't take a year off," Lerner said. "I will make a further inquiry." Lerner is determined to get his next round of hirings right. He feels responsible for the failures of Savage and Crennel, who were both new to their positions when they were hired in 2005. He doesn't consider the past four years a waste and feels the Browns can attract talent despite their troubles. "I would like to think we are a more compelling organization to come be a part of than we were four years ago," he said. Crennel went 24-40 in four seasons with the Browns, who entered 2008 with huge expectations but collapsed amid injuries to quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson; dropped passes by wide receiver Braylon Edwards; and uneven play on offense and defense. Cleveland didn't score an offensive touchdown while losing its last six games. "This has been a crazy year, starting with the injuries," said Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas. "It seems like every bit of adversity you could possibly have happened to us. It felt like it was one thing after the other." Although Crennel's dismissal was expected, Lerner waited until after the season out of respect for the 61-year-old coach and former defensive coordinator. "Romeo was a gentleman through and through," said Lerner, who met with the coach Monday morning. "He was gracious to a fault." Crennel told Lerner he may be willing to stay with the team in another coaching capacity. Crennel, who came to Cleveland after winning five Super Bowl rings, was genuinely respected by the Browns, who referred to him as RAC (Rack) — his initials — and were disappointed they didn't play better for him. Quinn admired the way Crennel handled talk of his departure. "I think it says a lot about someone when they're going through adversity who continues to do their job," he said. "To me, as well as the rest of the guys on the team, that really said a lot about coach Crennel and who he is."
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Thanks a lot Bill. Thanks a feakin' lot. We give you your first coaching job and you tell us no. Thanks a lot.
As far as Mangini...he hasn't been a HC for all that long....AND he got fired. So that makes him good and we should want him?
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Just clicking...
For those stating Cowher likes it just where he is. He has agreed to talk with the NY Jets. I think he has been working out of NY with CBS - outside of that I can't state why he's considering Jets and not Browns...Screw him... 
I do like the sound of Pioli - everything seems perfect and Randy has made it clear that he wants to hire the GM first and then let him pick out the HC or be big time on the process of course Randy would have to sign off on the hire.
But his philosophies seem very sound - does he give a new guy a shot or just his guys (relations from NE)???
Another thing to think of everyone is thinking this Asst cause look at this offense...remember a lot of that has to do with talent. Look at Miami...just how many people were knocking on that NO-NAME OL COACH from Dallas? Look at the job he did there...one of the best I've seen ever in the NFL.
I did think Russ Grimm cause I started telling myself to go back to the OL roots after all I'm a self proclaimed OL Nut... 
OL coaches can do anything
Btw - who's the OL coach of the Giants? Chargers? Saints?
Who are the geniuses behing the geniuses 
Well step one HIRE PIOLI...and do it fast. Not too many are looking for GM's
Lions already promoted within.
KC needs one.
Which reminds me...how the heck is it that Herm Edwards still has a job. I'm going to start calling him the Teflon Don...unbelievable 
GM first then we start the search for Head Coach. You know in a way I'm sort of glad its not Cowher - I was trying to warm myself up to the idea cause I thought it was a done deal. But frankly I think Pioli is the key
JMHO
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I do like the sound of Pioli - everything seems perfect and Randy has made it clear that he wants to hire the GM first and then let him pick out the HC or be big time on the process of course Randy would have to sign off on the hire.
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Patriots' Pioli said to be very interested in Browns' GM job
by Mary Kay Cabot
Monday December 29, 2008, 6:22 PM
BEREA -- Scott Pioli, the New England Patriots Vice President of Player Personnel, is believed to be very interested in the Browns general manager job and is expected to interview for the position soon, multiple league sources told The Plain Dealer today.
The Browns have been granted permission by the Patriots to interview Pioli and could talk to him as soon as Tuesday. Pioli has also been contacted by either the Kansas City Chiefs or Detroit Lions and will interview for that job as well, a source said.
The interviews will be Pioli's first since he joined the Patriots in 2000. He was granted permission to interview with two other teams, but declined both. In 2005, the Seahawks, despite not formally interviewing Pioli, offered him a five-year, $15 million deal, which he turned down. He also declined a request to be interviewed by the Giants in January of 2007.
If Pioli takes the Browns job, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, a Canton native, could be near the top of his list of coaching candidates. Pioli hired McDaniels, 32, in 2001 to be a personnel and coaching assistant and the two remain close. Browns owner Randy Lerner confirmed Monday that McDaniels is on his short list.
Pioli began his NFL career in Cleveland under Bill Belichick in 1992 and has told associates over the years that the Browns job would be intriguing to him and one of the only ones that would be compelling enough to pry him away from Belichick and the Patriots.
Pioli, who was a pro personnel assistant here from 1992 to 1995, loved the city and the team. He also formed close relationships with people such as Indians general manager Mark Shapiro and would love to help rebuild the Browns the same way Shapiro has done with the Tribe and Danny Ferry the Cavs, sources said.
Pioli, 43, was with the Browns when they went 11-5 in 1994 under Belichick and everyone on that staff felt the team was on its way to glory before the team moved to Baltimore in 1995. If Pioli takes the Browns job, he would have the final say on the 53-man roster that Belichick had in New England.
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I knew Cowher wasn't coming. Screw him anyways. Like I said, he still has that mentality of still being with the Steeler's organization. Why would I want that?
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Thanks Dong...good read.
I got my fingers crossed on this one.
Lions - I thought they just promoted their asst. GM to GM??? The one who was handling things after they fired whats his name.
Hopefully we won't let him leave Cleveland on Tuesday...
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OL coaches can do anything
Btw - who's the OL coach of the Giants? Chargers? Saints?
I've said it a few times already. Mike Munchak OL coach Tennesee
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O Glee ! He's gonna talk to Holmgren. Please O Please for the love of God, say YES, Holmgren.
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As far as Cowher goes, I think he represents the type of fiery coach we as fans want and think that the players need. We find a hard nosed HC and add in some top notch assistants and we are good to go.
How about Rod Marinelli as our Def Coordinator?
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KC needs one.
Which reminds me...how the heck is it that Herm Edwards still has a job. I'm going to start calling him the Teflon Don...unbelievable
I would think KC would want a new GM first, then have that guy evaluate Herman.
Speaking of Teflon Don's, how about Jon Gruden, check this forum out
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