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i'm all for pioli too, especially with the personnel history of the patriots. they draft well and play free agency well. i just don't know about mcdaniels and for some reason, they keep getting linked together. it'd be interesting to see this: gm: pioli hc: mcdaniels oc: chud or new england's qb coach (that guy must be doing something right with brady and now cassel) dc: rac 
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i'm all for pioli too, especially with the personnel history of the patriots. they draft well and play free agency well. i just don't know about mcdaniels and for some reason, they keep getting linked together. it'd be interesting to see this:
gm: pioli
hc: mcdaniels
oc: chud or new england's qb coach (that guy must be doing something right with brady and now cassel)
dc: rac
I've been saying, surround the youngster with good men, ones that are strong enough to teach him, not be afraid to say, "Hey, you might wanna think about this or that" and he may develop into the long term guy we all wish!
Now, of course, this is all dependent on the young guys ability to accept criticism and the willingness and tact his subordinates approach him with it.
He's got a good pedigre to boot.
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oh, and i forgot savage as head of the scouts
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Two names i'm suprised nobody has mentioned.
Leslie Frazier- Defensive coordinator of the Vikings, was Colts defensive coordinator the year they won the Superbowl
Jason Garrett- OC Dallas Cowboys. Was recently given permission to interview with the Lions
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What is this crap with Holmgren?
His record this year was what?The same as ours,which got the HC canned.
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Holmgren has been a very successful coach with the teams he's been with. In the playoffs more often than not. And not to mention took his teams to 3 superbowls. He's no slouch, a proven winner. A waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better option than bringing in some rookie HC. I do NOT have the patience to go through any more rookie HC growing pains.
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And he did NOT get canned. He felt he had enough years with Seattle and resigned.
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Hmmm, imagine that, Eve  Unbelieveable that Holmgren built two teams and was in the Super Bowl twice and is being judged on this last injury riddled season by some?!?!?!?!
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Thanks Dong...good read. 
I got my fingers crossed on this one. 
Lions - I thought they just promoted their asst. GM to GM??? The one who was handling things after they fired whats his name.
Hopefully we won't let him leave Cleveland on Tuesday...
I'm hearin' ya'...If he's interested...He should be a LOCK by midweek...
Screw this "Connection to NE" BS...Crennel...Weiss...Mangini...Mangini got BONED today...That's the kinda BS that keeps teams in the cellar for years...U don't can a HC after 3 or 4 years and 2 10 win seasons...Don't matter what happened in the last year...They were 8-3...U can blame FARVE for alot of that downfall this year...He needs to retire...
Land Pioli...Gotta love how fast Lerner's moving on this...
And start the HC search...It's already started with the list...Lotsa impressive coordinators available...We should be able to land the TOP CREAM with how soon we've started the hunt...Good job Lerner...Even tho I wanted Savage here...At least u did it fast...
Y-Town came up with a great point about Coordinators going to HC...Just because a DC has a stellar D doesn't mean it's gonna be the SAME in his HC job...That's not how it works in the NFL...
Just get these guys in here so we can look at what needs to be done...And I HOPE they don't screw around with it too much...We've got some solid pieces on this team...Just IMPROVE UPON IT...Don't dismantle it...
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I really don't understand why more people aren't clamoring for Holmgren. People should read up on him. Like seriously. They can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_HolmgrenAnd then I will hand them a drool bucket.
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Your the guy that said Cowher didn't build anything,now Holmgren has built 3 teams?
I think Ron Wolfe might disagree with you.
But then again you said it,so it must be true.
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No, I said he built 2 teams....and last time I checked, Wolf didn't go to Seattle. Add to that Holmgren is excellant at bringing QBs along and he is a MUCH better candidate than Cowher.
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Alot of playoff games lost IMO
Head coaching record
Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
GNB 1992 9 7 0 .563 2nd in NFC Central - - - Did not make playoffs
GNB 1993 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Divisional Game.
GNB 1994 9 7 0 .563 2nd in NFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Divisional Game.
GNB 1995 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC Central 2 1 .667 Lost to Dallas Cowboys in NFC Championship Game.
GNB 1996 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC Central 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XXXI Champions.
GNB 1997 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC Central 2 1 .667 Lost to Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXXII.
GNB 1998 11 5 0 .688 2nd in NFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to San Francisco 49ers in NFC Wild-Card Game.
GNB Total 75 37 0 .670 9 5 .643 1 Super Bowl 2 NFC Championship
SEA 1999 9 7 0 .563 1st in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Miami Dolphins in AFC Wild-Card Game.
SEA 2000 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC West - - - Did not make playoffs
SEA 2001 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC West - - - Did not make playoffs
SEA 2002 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC West - - - Did not make playoffs
SEA 2003 10 6 0 .625 2nd in NFC West 0 1 0.000 Lost to Green Bay Packers in NFC Wild-Card Game.
SEA 2004 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC West 0 1 0.000 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Wild-Card Game
SEA 2005 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC West 2 1 0.667 Lost to Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XL.
SEA 2006 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC West 1 1 0.500 Lost to the Chicago Bears in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2007 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC West 1 1 0.500 Lost to the Green Bay Packers in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2008 4 12 0 .200 3rd in NFC West - - - Did not make playoffs
SEA Total 86 74 0 .541 4 6 .400 1 NFC Championship
Total[3] 161 111 0 .594 13 11 .542 1 Super Bowl 3 NFC Championship
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I really don't understand why more people aren't clamoring for Holmgren. People should read up on him. Like seriously. They can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Holmgren
And then I will hand them a drool bucket.
eve...I don't believe it has anything to do with teams not taking a serious look at Holgren...its the fact that Holgren promised his wife he would take a year off before he made a decision.
Holgren has indicated he is going to keep that promise to his wife.
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Read the sig. And BTW, McDaniels is New England's QB coach as well as Offensive Coordinator.
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Pioli as GM of course. Cream of the crop as far as potential GM candidates go. Atlanta couldn't get him, they did get Dimitrioff instead from New England and he's doing a spectacular job so far with the same kind of philosophy.
For head coach there's a lot of guys I wouldn't mind but Steve Spagnuolo intrigues me considering the hard evidence of how good of a coach he really is. I love that Jim Johnson type defense that Spags runs from Philadelphia that calls for lots of blitzing and puts a premium on great DEs and DTs and LBs who can really blitz well.
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Yeah but Cowher has also been saying he doesn't want to coach. He has said this for a long time now, and half the board has had wet dreams over Cowher. These guys can change their mind anytime they feel like it. I won't be happy until Lerner goes and has that conversation with Holmgren. And then I'll shut up about it. lol
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My apologies,i meant 2.
I don't entirely disagree that Holmgen would be a better candidate than Cowher.I'm not thrilled with either.
But,you gave no credit for the work he did as a coach in Pittsburgh,while saying Holmgren built those Packer teams of Ron Wolfe.All he did was coach 'em.Seems the same to me.
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He only "coached" them in name only. He was an integral part of the personnel process at Green Bay. Holmgren is one of the most proven coaches in the NFL. He has proven he can develop talent as a coach. He also was involved in peronnel decisions to build two teams. I don't know how anyone wouldn't be excited about the guy that developed such talent as Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselback. Add to that his success with offenses and it is pretty much a no brainer to me. Add Pioli to the mix and possibly RAC as DC (as he and Lerner are both open to that option) or another proven DC and I think it is a formula for success.
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LOL, that's the part i should've looked up. all day, i was harping about the qb coach and it was mcdanniels all along? that's pretty funny.
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Well,the fact the he said he was going to take next year off,doesn't make me real excited about the prospect of him being here.
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I'm not going to say a whole lot other than that was before the Cleveland job opened up. There is interest there. That's all I will say at this point.
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Well, you lose eventually, unless you win the superbowl.  The point is that he gets his teams in the post season more often than not. Wouldn't it be nice to say the Browns get in the playoffs year in and year out instead of in the basement year in and year out.
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well in addition to that, a lot of news lately said that holmgren started to pull a "favre" and wanted to reconsider resigning and the seahawk organization actually didn't wnat him back since mora was set to take everything over. maybe we'll be able to talk with him as it is. afterall, he left the packers to go to seattle right? maybe he'll do the same for us. that'll be up to piolli though
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Holgrem's teams usually run the west coast offense. There was a lot of clamor around here 4 years ago when we were looking for a coach about the weather, wind playing havoc with a west coast offense at the stadium.
Has the weather changed? Or is everyone willing to take a chance on the west coast offense now?
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I might have been hallucinating but I thought in some article on this board it was said that Quinn is more suited for WCO. I don't know if that's true, but it could be debated I guess.
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i think it's a combination of realizing how important an "established" nfl hc is as well as realizing everyone's favorite qb, quinn, is suited for the wco. the possible irony? what if holmgren really did come here and decided that he preferred frye to quinn 
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Gotta ask.....you're DA's agent aren't you?......... 
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man, i wish. that'd be a pretty nice chunk of change to make
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the possible irony? what if holmgren really did come here and decided that he preferred frye to quinn
*vomits*
Then I will personally run Holmgren out of town, because he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
Quinn is perfect for the WCO. Mobile, accurate, and won't kill you with mistakes.
you had a good run Hank.
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i think it's a combination of realizing how important an "established" nfl hc is as well as realizing everyone's favorite qb, quinn, is suited for the wco.
the possible irony? what if holmgren really did come here and decided that he preferred frye to quinn
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oh come on, we haven't talked about this for over a year. what else are we going to do during the offseason. 
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You've talked about everybody but Gradkowski starting for the Browns over Quinn. You think just because you change the name of who might replace him it isn't really the same thing? If not, get used to seeing the horse.
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I'd take Pioli and Mangini all day long... seven days a week. Mangini got fired because he put Favre in his place and the upper management didn't like it.
We get those two, and I would look forward to paying for next years tickets.
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do you have the horse saved on your desktop or something? lol. hey, i never said ken dorsey should take over it's all in good fun. i completely want quinn to pan out, i really do. that doesn't change my opinion of him but if you must know, on draft day, i didn't like the pick but was still very excited because, at the least, it meant we might have the same qb for more than a season when he finally got his nod. the problem, now, is the new regime didn't bring in quinn so there is no reliance on quinn panning out now. we'll see what happens but like i said, all in good fun
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We cracked a bit on Jim Schwartz, but I just talked to hunting friend of mine from the Nashville area and I wish I had a transcript!
He loves him! Agressive, smart, he says he's just a great fans type guy who takes no crap from his players but they'll run through walls for him.
Thinks the Cleveland fans would connect with him instantly and says for enthusiasm and attitude is right there with Cowher!
I believe he was scout or coach or something here in his earlier days?
Maybe we can dig up a bio on him or something.
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You know, I'm warming up to the idea of Mangini. He's not a "proven" head coach, but he didn't do a bad job AT ALL with the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets and in his second gig he would likely learn from the mistakes he made. Plus, if he was reaming out Favre then that's the icing on the cake! Him + Pioli would probably be my first choice now, too. Although, as mentioned, I could give two poops who the guys are as long as they bring us a winner! 
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do you have the horse saved on your desktop or something? lol. hey, i never said ken dorsey should take over
it's all in good fun.
And I intend it in the same manner. BTW- The horse isn't on my desk top, but I keep it very handy. Along with the tin foil dog and the bull taking a dump.
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i completely want quinn to pan out, i really do. that doesn't change my opinion of him but if you must know, on draft day, i didn't like the pick but was still very excited because, at the least, it meant we might have the same qb for more than a season when he finally got his nod.
Problem being, you have nothing to base your opinion of him on. He played one and one quarter of football until he broke his finger. So it's pure speculation. And yes, we played the Broncos. But he had three days to prepare as starter. And it was his first NFL start. So IMO, anybody that knows Jack or Bill or Tom,Dick or Harry, could see that there is great reason to be optimistic in regards to BQ.
Nothing concrete, no sure thing. But a lot of poise and potential. More than we've seen since our return.
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the problem, now, is the new regime didn't bring in quinn so there is no reliance on quinn panning out now. we'll see what happens but like i said, all in good fun
Don't have to wait. We have a good young QB with LOTS of potential and upside on one hand, and a weak D. We have great needs other than QB. And I can't think of a HC worth his salt that would not drool at the potential to give BQ his shot while addressing our actual needs to help right this ship.
So you can wait if you feel there's something to wait for. I on the other hand have a firm grasp of the obvious.
And if you're not DA's agent, you GOTTA BE related to him!
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