DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Handling of Braylon Edwards this Off-Season!!!!!

Multiple people have indicated the desire to dump Edwards and his hands...And his MOUTH...

Me???...I think it's ludicrous...But lately I've been looking deeper into the possibility and it's ramifications...Cause this is becoming a serious possibility with his 08 production and most recently his MOUTH...Losing our #1 WR would put a serious hole in this Offense...I mean a COLOSSAL HOLE...And we'd need to dig out of it...FAST...

HOW would we go about it???

First comes the SALARY CAP ramifications...There ISN'T any to speak of...Via trade u take the immediate cap hit for remaining Signing Bonus money left...ALL in that league year...His original 5 year deal had a 6.5M SB...That's Pro-Rated at 1.3M per year...He's in the last year of his deal...If he's traded...The new team will undoubtedly work a new long-term deal for him...We take an immediate 1.3M Cap Hit and save any bonuses he's due and his 4.55M 2009 Salary...

8/11/2005: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal included a $6.5 million signing bonus and contains $18.5 million in total guarantees. 2008: $3.35 million, 2009: $4.55 million, 2010: Free Agent...
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=3126

Next comes our COMPENSATION...There would be multiple teams involved in this...And when that happens u get solid compensation because of the market...Edwards would without doubt garner us a FIRST ROUND pick...And possibly more...Let's stick with only a 1st for now...

Next ramification is STALLWORTH...Would we keep Stallworth and pay him the 4.75M Roster Bonus due in March???...His Base Salaries are very manageable for the next few years...That RB is basically Brey's 09 Base Salary...Stallworth doesn't necessarily become our #1 WR...But he gives us some semblance of a start in a WR Core with Jurevicious...We still have a gaping hole for a #1 tho...

How to go about filling that hole for a #1...

Free Agency???...There's several who might be available...And IMO u don't want a ROOKIE as your #1 WR...And I say that because drafting 7th...Which we will if Cincy loses Sunday...And 6th if they win and we lose...Crabtree WILL NOT BE THERE...He'll go Top 5 much like Edwards and Johnson before him...He'll be high on teams boards as BPA...Now we're looking at possibly that mid 1st rounder we got for Edwards...And there really isn't anything of high quality at the WR spots...

Whosyomomma comes into play here...This blurb indicates the cheap Bungles will not tag him...

Adam Schefter...NFL.com...
Bengals face decision with Houshmandzadeh

Bengals could throw Andrews’ former tag on Houshmandzadeh, yet a league source said Cincinnati wouldn’t. Houshmandzadeh is 31 years old, and if Cincinnati wants him, it will attempt to sign him to a long-term deal, something it previously has tried to do but failed.

But don’t look for Andrews’ tag to go on Houshmandzadeh.

So there's one option...Is Housh a #1???...NO...But u can't overlook damn near averaging 100 catches a year...And some of the best hands in the league...Perfect route running...And prolly a high desire to get the hell outta that HOLE they call Southern Ohio...lol...

How bout Devery Henderson of New Orleans???

Henderson’s career high in receptions may be 32, but he’s a deep threat and seems to make big plays almost on a weekly basis when things are clicking. He’s had at least three scores in each season of his four-year career and is currently on pace to surpass his career high of 745 yards receiving that he posted in ’06. If the Saints let Henderson go, someone may give him a shot at a bigger role.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/wr.html

And then there's Pit's idea of going after Anquan Boldin...THIS ONE I LIKE...And this one eliminates the MAJOR NEED of taking a WR in the 1st round of the draft...With either 1st rounder...Boldin/Stallworth/Jurevicious would be a solid 3...And if we feel the need we could go WR somewhere in rounds 2 or 4...And possibly 3 if we get that for Anderson...

I pretty much covered the draft except for the kid from Florida who's projected mid-late round 1...Percy Harvin...5' 11" 195...Kinda #2 material...And then there's the Missouri kid...Jeremy Maclin...6' 1" 205...Much better size for a #1...

So looking at this...Edwards may very well be history here...How to go about replacing him???

He stays.

New coaching perspectives will do him wonders.

Love your optimism DiD.....but

if we keep Stallworth and pay him after this season.....it would be a slap in the face to everyone who at least showed up and tried on this team...Stallworth will be the 1st to go...that´s for sure and I hope he will be gone cause he isn´t worth the money....not dependable and notorious underachiever...I mean really....what did you see to think he´s a good #2 for next year at 5+mil?

Housh not being a #1? lol Yeah, he´s just dependable, catches everything and runs good routs...which QB needs that? Housh is a #1 WR, Edwards a #2...it´s not even close

oh, and if you think it´s Pit´s idea to bring in Boldin go read my post in the season prediction thread and Boldin is no FA btw....and I don´t think we will get him for a 5th rounder...

Looking at the WR-FA market...Housh will be a very rich man in a few months...the other FA-WR options just suck...I´d sign McDonald to replace Stallworth as #2 or #3 WR...he´s a perfect underneath stopgap option...and the best of the rest of this sorry FA-WR group

So, looking at our options I´d keep Edwards 1 more year and hope teh new coach will light some fire under his arse...then there is the contract year motivation....if somebody offers a 1st rounder I´d trade him though...cause he will not re-sign here anyway and a 1st round talent is worth more longterm than 1 year of "whichever" (good/bad) Edwards 2009....I would also take a 2nd+4th/5th (not a low 2nd though, would have to be high to mid 2nd) for him
Since I don´t think anybody will offer us anything close to that straight up for him (there´s always the possibility to pack him with DA) I think it will be the best option to keep him...as much as I don´t like him

With the proper coaching, I think BE may pan out. I guess it will depend on who "the new guy" percieves BE with the mouth and drops. Actually, I'd say any new coach would drool at the option of getting the oppertunity to get the potential that's there, out of BE.

But on the other hand, he may say all the malcontents, HIT THE ROAD! In which case we would have BE and maybe KW2 as trade bait. I dont see Zona having a studly TE and they have Fitz for a #1, so that's a possibility. KW2 and BE for Boldin and a draft pick.

Which direction the new HC takes will tell the tale. And yes, I think Housh IS an upgrade over BE for the #1. He's actually BEEN the #1 in Cincy for a while now. Some just aren't aware of it IMO

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I'd say any new coach would drool at the option of getting the oppertunity to get the potential that's there, out of BE.

But on the other hand, he may say all the malcontents, HIT THE ROAD!

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Or his mind may be made up for him by Savage if he remains as the GM.

My gut tells me to dump Braylon for a first day pick.....but logic tells me you hold onto him based on what he has done overall, not what he has done (or failed to do) in this debacle of a season.

Find someone decent to go opposite of him and the numbers will go back up.

Has anyone watched Boldin play lately? He had a monster game his first game back from his injury, but he has become very timid and has dropped at least as many balls as Edwards lately. He's hearing footsteps!

Trade him for anything or to anywhere. I'm done with him.

Release Stallworth at 4:15pm Sunday or as quickly as possible.

WR's and RB's are the easiest position in the world to find talent at - every school at every level in America has one.

Get em both out of here and start over.

I agree. Id keep Edwards and if Id release anybody, it would be Stallworth.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

not sure how credible the link is as far as accuracy goes but i thought it was interesting to see the some of the 'studs' at the top of the list for the afc and nfc. i'm sure it has something to do with how many balls are thrown at them but they ALL drop passes. with that being said i think he stays and has a great next year(contract year??)...

Bottom line is the chances are slim that BE stays beyond his original contract. He's so fixated on a making a poor situation out of it that he won't sign a long term deal.

Between his strained relationship with the fans, the Michigan/OSU debacle, and the fact that Cleveland is a mediocre, midwestern market there's no motivation for someone like him to stay. He fancies himself a movie star, and once his contract is up he'll bolt for New York or California.

Right now you have to trade him. Investigate some player-for-player possibilities (I'm peddling Asomugha), and at the very least get a mid first for him.

The team could also angle for Houshmanzadeh in the offseason, as he would be more than capable of holding down the fort at the one spot.

Trade him. You get down the road value and rid of his disruptive presence.

I agree with ya Pit.. The kid has a bit of a loud mouth this year.. But last year, he showed that he can play the game and keep his head on straight. Not sure if losing is the reason for his mouthyness this year.. But I do know that his drops are part of the reason for the losing.

I can't help feeling as if the right voice reaches this kid, he could be special..

I have been opposed to dumping Edwards simply because the talent he has is off the charts good. I don't think people realize how talented this kid is. Our offense takes a huge step back without him unless we can find a replacement. How can you find a replacement for a true #1 when there are only a handful in the league right now?

Having said that, I'm concerned with Edwards mental makeup. Immature or not, some of the things he's done and said, speak straight to the core of his character. There's a notion that people don't change. I'm starting to believe that Edwards will always feel like he's the victim and never take responsibility for his actions. We all know people that have that mental makeup, and I believe it is one of the worst character flaws an individual can possess. It's one of those character flaws that never really allows someone to develop into a well rounded, mature individual. When you are always blaming someone else, you never learn to fix yourself first.

Because of this, I think we may be better off in the long run if we get rid of Edwards. He would have to make a monumental leap in attitude and maturity to be the type of player we want and will accept. I'm not sure I believe that it is possible of happening.

Keep him.

I'm not sure why this thread needed 5 exclamation points....oh well.

I say we keep him. Still like to bring in TJ as a #2, keep some heat from Braylon.

Give Stallworth a chance to re-work his contract so that he can recoup the money with incentives. If he doesn't - he's gone. And good luck getting a better deal elsewhere.

j/c It always amazes me how fans want to dump our most talented players simply because they had a bad game/bad season/got frustrated/etc Gee lets dump our talent and play next season with a bunch of no talents, because that will surely improve things !!!

The team had a crappy year because the coaching is horrible. Get a new coach in here with a new attitude and a new gameplan and see how our players react to that. If Edwards sucked year in and year out then yeah ditch him, but after one crappy season ? I don't think so.

Again...Edwrads is not a #1 WR in this league and never will be....there are a lot of WR who have the physical ability to be a #1 but aren´t...those guys become #2 WR who find their role behind some other leaders in their offense, they are role players...go ask Chris Chambers (who Edwards resembles the most imo)

I know, people are quick to point to last years season he had to counter that argument...but those guys forget that Edwards was basically that...a role player....he hid behind KW and JJ, who made the tough catches to open up his big plays and TDs

Also, Edwards was 1 of the worst in drops and looks/catches % last year in the entire league....just like this year...he wasn´t all that more efficient than this year....his role changed and his SAME inconsitent play was magnified because he had to shoulder more....QB and OL play wasn´t as good, JJ missed and KW missed time too...he wasn´t a role player anymore who could slipstream behind those guys and shine...he had to carry the bulk...and he dropped it...cause he is what he is: a talented underachiever who will never get the "little things" necessary to become a leader and #1 WR because he only cares for the "big things" (success, money, fame, spot light)...and he just doesn´t get that the big things will come through doing the little things...he´s liek a spoiled kid...and we knew that....every amateurish scouting report had this note...it was THAT evident

Personally, Id prefer to keep Braylon, move him to 2nd on the depth chart for motivation and pick up Anquan Boldin. If we are going to be a passing team then lets get someone who can make catches on both sides of the field.

#1 pick for BE??? Maybe after last season...but not in the last year of his contract and not after the season he had last year.

If it is as you say...take the pick then and maybe use it to get Jeremy Macklin...he is eligible to enter the draft and a definite 1st rounder. Surely Crabtree has the hype as a top 5 pick but Macklin can be gotten with one of our 1st round picks...not knowing the where we trade. Garvin should go high as well. But if we want to upgrade on BE...Macklin is who I would lean towards...if not then maybe a Robiskie in the 2nd round.

Keep in mind only if Savage is gone could this be a possibility. BE not being a bust and frankly I can live with him....or Without him as long as we get fair compensation. But I do know one thing.

Its stupid to sell when the commodity is low and buy high. BE is a lot better than the season that he just had. I really think he was there for another big season until he got the foot slashed! The little I saw of him in preseason he looked very sharp.

BE, KW2, WRs or TEs - If we get fair market value fine with me.

But right now BE and KW2 are our two big playmakers. Another bad business move is to not have a replacement...Upgrade already inplace and then move them.

WRs...plenty to get each and every year.
TEs...one of the upcoming positions of plenty - loads of good TEs coming out soon.

But I wouldn't mind trading KW2 straight up for Boldin of the Cards...then we would be able to move BE at our convenience and when we can get the right price...if not keep him.

But the main thing will be - Do we want to start negotiations for a 2nd contract on BE...if not then we got to think about moving him...if we wait for the contract to finish...nobody will trade fair market value for somebody we just might let walk in FA - or we TAG and then work out a trade???

JMHO

I want to keep Braylon... but I do know one thing... Everytime a QB throws the ball his way... I'm gonna be on pins and needles...

It would be nice to have a WR that had sure hands.... Come on back Joe!

Handling of BE?
How about grasp firmly around the neck and shake until his pea brain rattles.
Seriously unless we can come close to a better option let him playout his last contract year. Maybe free agency will motivate him to catch the ball. I can't see just giving him his walking papers. I don't like the guy but I don't like TO or 85 either. If he can get it together and catch the ball I'd learn to love him. Even if he is from that school up north

yea...

Andre Johnson is the definition of a WR that gives his all no matter how bad or well your team is doing.

I have an idea. Let's wait and see who gets hired as the coach and GM before we decide who stays, who goes and why.

I second the motion.

Whoever is hired, BE's success will be high on their list.

I hope they tell Braylon they will trade him if he goes on the air and takes back all of his idiotic comments regarding how he is scrutinized because he went to Michigan

exactly what I wanted to say. "we will get you out of here if you go on camera and admit that you are a primma donna bitch who cant accept responsibility for their own poor performance"


Who the hell wants him around here if he doesnt want to be

didnt he say he wanted to stay here? Did i miss something?

Maybe I didnt follow the story closely enough maybe he does want to stay but it is irrelevant


He is primma donna and a locker room cancer. Leon showed back up as soon as things started going south this year. Funny thing is he started it himself with the horseplay during training camp.



He is talented but in all reality the NFL is full of big tall fast receivers who cant catch the ball consistently. It wouldnt be that big of a loss

like it or not braylon is a playmaker, and he wants to win here in cleveland. the guy wears his heart on his sleeve and lets his emotions get the best of him sometimes. he isnt saying anything that we havnt thought or said ourselves. braylon has caught a bad rap cause he went to school in michigan. people at the stadium dont hesitate to yell "go back to michigan" at him anytime he does something they dont like. its pathetic that these morons dont understand that his helmet is orange now. and if they are going to keep something like that against one of our own players then maybe they shouldnt make the trip to cleveland to the stadium on sunday....instead they should just make a trip to columbus on saturday. Im tired of hearing braylon get bashed the guy has more talent than 95% of the WRs in the leauge you dont trade or run that type of player out, or off the team.....get off his butt and let him rebound next year. the whole team was a joke this year not just braylon

Professionals dont whine to the media about how the fans are hard on them.


Professionals take responsibility for their poor performance.


He has million dollar talent but he has a 3 cent head

ok since you obviously know everything then just who do you bring in then once you get rid of our best wr?
are your satisfied with stallworth and steptoe as your number 1 and 2 wrs? please tell me what you would do mr.football?

Edwards needs to do his job. And let his plays, not his mouth, do the talking!

and we as fans need to support our team and our players....not run them out of town with our mouths!