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And what's with the Billick talk? Dear God.
Jules...that is the part of the article I ignored simply because it's the writers opinion, which I don't think much of.
Many of thought our team look like it was a little soft and I spoke out about the two losses where the Browns defense gave away leads in the second half, especially the 4th qtr as a good indication that we were not in top shape.
To hear this news from McGinest who was brought to Cleveland by Crennel gives it more creditability than almost anyone else on the team.
I agree, Mangini does look to be a good fit for our opening and Kokinis should have no problem getting along with Mangini if he's our GM.
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JC Mac, this is not intended for you. I see more imagination, and putting words and thoughts into people's heads on this thread than I do on a comics page 
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I'd like to know what his QB plans are for the 2009 season (seeing is how Kok and him are probably on the same page). Heck, I bet that's the first question asked at his press conference.
Oh yeah, start a new regime with a QB controversy. 
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I see more imagination, and putting words and thoughts into people's heads on this thread than I do on a comics page
And we havent even named a GM or coach yet......all this work just so somebody can rien king of "I told ya So" 
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I see more imagination, and putting words and thoughts into people's heads on this thread than I do on a comics page
And we havent even named a GM or coach yet......all this work just so somebody can rien king of "I told ya So"
I don't want to be King of "I told you so", I want to be QUEEN! 
Or, wait, maybe that's court jester of I told ya so... 
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I don't want to be King of "I told you so", I want to be QUEEN!
Or, wait, maybe that's court jester of I told ya so...
GM & I wanted to be queens, wait.....thats not right,
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I agree, Mangini does look to be a good fit for our opening and Kokinis should have no problem getting along with Mangini if he's our GM.
Sure is looking more and more in this direction.
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This is what I wanted.. www.sportsline.com/columns/story/11211548 I spy big reason why Mangini might be frozen out of NFL
Dec. 31, 2008
By Mike Freeman
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Eric Mangini will never get another head coaching job in the NFL.
At least that's what a variety of NFL team officials recently stated, citing the belief that Mangini is viewed by a significant number of people within the sport as traitorous for outing Bill Belichick in the Spygate fiasco, and would be too radioactive for an owner to touch.
He might even -- might -- have a hard time getting an assistant coaching job, though that seems far more implausible.
"He's seen as a rat," said one assistant coach, "and to me he'll always be a rat. I'm not the only one who feels that way."
Said one general manager: "I wouldn't trust him and I'm pretty certain my coaches wouldn't trust him either."
This is the obstacle Mangini will have to overcome if he wants to be a head coach again: the belief that he stabbed his mentor, Belichick, in the back.
The irony is that no one has yet to prove definitively it was Mangini specifically who outed Belichick's videotaping habits to the media following that infamous Patriots-Jets game at Giants Stadium in 2007. That day the NFL confiscated a video camera from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella, starting a chain reaction that would lead to one of the greatest scandals in sports history.
The belief among many in the NFL is that Mangini ratted out Belichick, the man who gave him an opportunity in New England, and Mangini will have a hard time earning people's trust again because of those beliefs.
This is not to say there's a unanimous feeling in the personnel and coaching community. Several assistant coaches interviewed said they'd have no problem working alongside Mangini. Some coaches believe that Mangini had no choice in the Spygate scandal and they don't blame him. Other coaches, frankly, aren't Belichick fans.
But the majority sentiment seems to be that front-office personnel and coaches would have difficulty trusting Mangini....
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And to think, we could possibly have Casserly and Russ Grimm....or Pioli and his coach. Nope we want Mangini.....why must the greateast fans in the world have to put up with such stupidity in their favorite team? 
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I didn't post to show I didn't want him..I posted it because it's relevant to the situation.
Now he might be a good fit..but it appears this is why no one wants to touch him..
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Yet, I'm assuming, everyone would jump at the chance to hire the actual cheater. Yeah, there's a lot of integrity in the league. 
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So let me get this right.. it's not a proven fact that he ratted on Belichick.. but he's condemed for it as if he had.
I also find it odd that if he is the one that ratted out Belichick, that he indeed ratted out a cheater and guess what, he's being condemed for it..
Belichick is a proven cheater and he's held up as an example of how a coach should operate,,,
What's that say about our society?
I'm almost ashamed to say I'm a fan of this sport....
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Why are people so upset at Mangini for pointing out that someone was cheating? Shouldn't we be more upset with the fact that Belichick was cheating?
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I kind of respect him for doing that ( if he did that is). I mean BB was cheating, tainting the game we all love,why would you want to just not do anything. It isn't like ratting on someone for smoking in the bathroom.
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Maybe a good fit as a DC or maybe a HC.....IF.....a QUALIFIED NFL football person wanted him.
But it doesnt bother you we are giving over control of the football operations to Mangini? Especially when nobody else in the NFL wants him? When Pioli didn't want him? Because, c'mon thats why Pioli isnt our GM right now.
Every other FOOTBALL PERSON in the NFL is saying NO, and our two bit owner is saying YES.
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Must be why honesty is not the best policy,...... So now, the issue is we can't trust someone who is honest ?? WTH. If others in "The Circle" don't want to touch him, my guess is because they don't want to be caught cheating either,..... BRING THE GUY IN HERE AND LET'S GET ON WITH IT,.....
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I also wonder why, if this hatred is so true, then why did Mangini have a job this year? Spygate was last year.
I personally think the downfall of the Jets this year was Favre more than anyone. He gave them some great games, but he also lost them some games in the end of the season.
Personally, I don't care if they hire George Bush to coach the team, as long as he wins.
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Dude, did Randy Lerner steal your girlfriend or something? My Lord, your hatred just clouds everything you're trying to say.
Don't give complete control to Mangini. Give complete control to Pioli, who has never had complete control, either.
Are you Scott Pioli?
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Yes..everyone would actually support the cheater..sounds like the stuff you see on TV..guy who is underhanded is beloved by all..guy who busts him out , is the one blackballed..
As far as other comments..it appears mumbles has established a very deep deep almost fanatical appeal from others in the league..he could be in the mafia and they'd love him...
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 Many in the league are saying that there is NO ONE in the NFL that is wanting him because they know he has the job here locked up so there's no reason to waste time pursuing him. Yeah, we could have a first time GM and first time HC in Pioli and Farentz where NEITHER have ever done the job, let alone build or rebuild a franchise or we could get Russ Grim who isn't even experienced in being a COORDINATOR let alone a HC. Yeah, see what wer're missing out on?
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You guys are all saying what I'm thinking. That article just boggles my mind.
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Winning is money, if the football minds of the NFL thought Mangini could help them win, he'd have a job. The league supposedly hates Billichick...but everyone knows if he was on the open market...we'd have the new highest NFL HC contract in history.
Again, unfortunately the football minds don't wanna touch Mangini with a ten foot pole.....including the guy we wanted as our GM....I guess Randys ignorance into the NFL is so profound...that its a lost cause.
Good coaches, just like idiot players, if they have talent, theres always people breaking down the door to get them.
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Yeah..you would think Mangini was the one who actually set up the spying stuff and then pointed the finger at mumbles..then I could see the hate..but it didn't happen that way.
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Obvously, you don't understand how to recruit and hire employees. As I stated earlier, here in the real world, if you know a candidate for a position you are filling has already got a deal in place, you don't bother trying to hire him since there is no chance in getting them.
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Please..get a grip..Ferentz is probably the reason nothing is happening..Lerner doesn't want a college coach..and neither do I ...
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So if no college coach period? So your thin Randy knows more on the subject than Pioli does?
Football people don't want Mangini....cheating, ratting, just not being a very good HC...whatever the reason. We are the only ones who want him.
You guys go ahead and drink the koolaid, Randy has no idea what hes doing, instead of getting a football guy in here...heck Floyd Reese would be something.
Randy should take a page from the Hunt's...who arent going to decide on their HC situation until they GET A FOOTBALL PERSON IN KC.
The whoel issue is, Randy should not be picking out the HC, hire the guy who is the hot prospect in Pioli and let him make the choice...even if it seems dumb...like errr....John Harbaugh or Tony Sparrano....
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The reason being reported is that no one else wants him because everyone thinks the Browns have him so no sense in wasting their time trying to even try to contact him. So "whatever the reason" really does matter....except to those that don't want to look at things with "reason". Again, I will ask. You sit there and say no other NFL person would take Mangini so that's proof Lerner shouldn't. Then you say he should bow to Pioli's demands that sources in the league said NO NFL OWNER WOULD AGREE TO, and that's the right move? That's using "reason"?
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What?
I feel Lerner doesn't want a rookie HC....
What he's trying to do is create a situation where the GM and the HC can work together...
As far as Mangini goes..I don't have a real issue with him..sure I'm skeptical of anyone..but I look at what happened to him..Bellyache asked his guys to cheat..and he ratted on him..so you would have preferred if he hadn't said anything ?
Really...
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Football people don't want Mangini....cheating, ratting, just not being a very good HC...whatever the reason
When did Mangini cheat? And we should be mad at him for calling out Belichick? And who's to say that Lerner isn't already surrounding himself with people who know football?
I know there was at least one report that he had talked to a number of people with a number of NFL organizations and asked for advice (I forget which thread it was in).
Look, I don't know if you're related to Pioli, or if Lerner has been sending you hate mail, but you're essentially hitching your horse to Lerner hiring one guy as a GM who has never been a GM before instead of Lerner hiring a head coach who has been a head coach before.
Would you be comfortable with Lerner selecting Ferentz as his HC and then allowing Ferentz to pick his own GM?
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It's pretty simple. Brownsfanz likes the flavor of the month and anyone else is a terrible choice and picking anyone else makes Lerner an idiot. Use some "reason" and you can see that quite clearly
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Yeah Pioli wants too much for any franchise, lets see how long until KC signs him on. Pioli isnt stupid, until the Browns job is gone he isnt gonna sign with KC, so he might be able to suck a few more dollars. Pioli will be a gm somewhere soon, me thinks KC, prolly next week sometime. We are doing the EXACT same thing we did last time, pulling in the HC first and getting a scout to be our "gm". Oh BTW, who the heck is Mangini gonna get to come in as coordinators? Real studs im sure with his rep. We should be talking about who Pioli, Casserly, Reese is interviewing.
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Has anyone been hired yet?
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You guys go ahead and drink the koolaid, Randy has no idea what hes doing, instead of getting a football guy in here...
And does anyone have proof that Pioli is the reason behind NE success? All we DO know is that everywhere Pioli has seen success, he had followed Belichic there. So is it Belichic, or Pioli?
Why are you so sure Pioli can do anything?
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Just asking......
If we hire any of these GM prospects don't they pretty much have to be given control so it isn't considered a lateral move?
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Yeah, that terrible rep of exposig cheaters and being loyal to his franchise. How terrible.
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We are doing the EXACT same thing we did last time, pulling in the HC first and getting a scout to be our "gm".
No, this time Randy is taking extra steps to make sure those two can work together, which evidently last time, he just assumed they would be able to work together...
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We are doing the EXACT same thing we did last time, pulling in the HC first and getting a scout to be our "gm".
We hired RAC before Savage?
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Rac was interviewed in a small time frame while NE was in the playoffs by Collins/Lerner..after Opie was hired..right after the SB was done , Rac was called...the choice had already been made.
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Guys, guys, guys, let's not pile a bunch of facts in the way of Menza's rants. After all, he has been able to read the mind of Lerner and debunk all the sources that have stated what is going on.
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No, not necessarily. Now, with Coke you do because it's stated in his contract. Any director of personnel going to GM would be a promotion and couldn't be blocked without that language in the contract. A GM doesn't have full authority, however, unless specified in his contract.
The reason, and this is my opinion only and not something I've heard, that Lerner would consider that for Coke is because he and Mangini would be on the same page and, regardless of what the contract stated, would make those decisions on personnel together.
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