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Obvously, you don't understand how to recruit and hire employees. As I stated earlier, here in the real world, if you know a candidate for a position you are filling has already got a deal in place, you don't bother trying to hire him since there is no chance in getting them.
Very true. However, did you even hear of any interest or any team at all moving to set up an interview with Mangini when he was fired? I can understand them not interviewing a guy that already has a job but as soon as he hit the unemployment line, it seems that Randy rushed to interview him while everyone else did nothing.
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So if Mangini is a "rat", what the heck is Belichick?!
I bet the unamed sources who hate Mangini would trip over themselves to coach under the "Big Cheat" himself!!
Too funny.
And...I bet those not wantinh Mangini because he ratted would take Bill in second!!!
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Eric Mangini will never get another head coaching job in the NFL.
This writer’s opinion is based on a "variety of NFL team officials". Great, go interview all NFL team officials and get back to us. It only takes one organization to want him for the above statement to be untrue.
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The irony is that no one has yet to prove definitively it was Mangini specifically who outed Belichick's videotaping habits to the media following that infamous Patriots-Jets game at Giants Stadium in 2007.
Then what the hell is this article even about? You can't confirm Mangini ratted but you can confirm nobody in the NFL wants him? Great logic. Use one unproven fact to prove your unproven opinion.
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...starting a chain reaction that would lead to one of the greatest scandals in sports history.
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But the majority sentiment seems to be that front-office personnel and coaches would have difficulty trusting Mangini....
Good idea, don't trust the honest guy in the room.
In my opinion, the only reputation that was tarnished was Belichick's. He was the one that was caught cheating. His legacy is questioned. Mangini may allegedly be a rat, but at least his accomplishments weren't because of an unfair advantage. All of Belichick's career highlights are now in question since he couldn't win the big game without the benefits of knowing the Giants plays (if that's what it took to win the other Super Bowls).
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So if Mangini is a "rat", what the heck is Belichick?!
I bet the unamed sources who hate Mangini would trip over themselves to coach under the "Big Cheat" himself!!
Too funny.
And...I bet those not wantinh Mangini because he ratted would take Bill in second!!!
Well obviously, but only because 3 Super Bowl rings, 2 Coach of the Year awards and 1 undefeated regular season will make people forget a guys indiscretions pretty quick. If Belichick's career resume was a losing record in 3 years and a 0-1 record in the playoffs, I have a feeling no one would care if he got canned... well, no one but Randy anyway 
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Yet, I'm assuming, everyone would jump at the chance to hire the actual cheater. Yeah, there's a lot of integrity in the league. 
If what was portrayed in that article is true, those are my sentiments exactly.........
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He's seen as a rat," said one assistant coach, "and to me he'll always be a rat. I'm not the only one who feels that way."
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Said one general manager: "I wouldn't trust him and I'm pretty certain my coaches wouldn't trust him either."
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The belief among many in the NFL is that Mangini ratted out Belichick,
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This is not to say there's a unanimous feeling in the personnel and coaching community. Several assistant coaches interviewed said they'd have no problem working alongside Mangini. Some coaches believe that Mangini had no choice in the Spygate scandal and they don't blame him.
So now, the author Mike Freeman covers his butt?
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But its the players that we need to trust Mangini the most. Spygate is over and now one wonders if some from NE might not be trying to float a payback story.
Sorry, it was not Mangini that got busted for doing something wrong and only speculation it was Mangini who outed Bill B.
Sorry folks...but I have to flag this as a BS story that smells like dead fish from the New York, New England area.
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I also found this article..think it is also fair to post it.. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/sports/football/13rhoden.html?ex=1355202000&en=69ad651b6fd3a137&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss Sports of The Times
Looking Through Lens of Time, Mangini Did the Right Thing
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By WILLIAM C. RHODEN
Published: December 13, 2007
Hempstead, N.Y.
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Jets Coach Eric Mangini could have fallen into disfavor with his team had he kept quiet about the Patriots’ videotaping.
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Schedule/Results Statistics | Roster Depth Chart | History Waves of news media will begin traveling to Foxborough, Mass., on Friday for what many expect will be a gory sacrifice Sunday when the 3-10 Jets meet the 13-0 New England Patriots. Meteorologists predict a snowstorm; football experts predict a Patriots avalanche.
While the Jets are tumbling into darkness, New England is steamrolling toward perfection, trying to become the first team since the 1972 Miami Dolphins to go undefeated.
In addition to having the allure of an undefeated team, Sunday’s game has the tantalizing ingredient of revenge. Last September, the Jets turned the Patriots in to the N.F.L. after a Patriots staff member was caught videotaping the Jets’ defensive signals during the season opener at Giants Stadium. The Jets lost, 38-14, and Spygate was born.
The N.F.L. fined Bill Belichick $500,000 and ordered the team to forfeit its first-round draft pick in 2008 if it made the playoffs for violating league rules. The Patriots were also fined $250,000.
What is astounding about the Spygate saga is how some members of the news media turned on Jets Coach Eric Mangini, lambasting him for being a tattletale and showing disloyalty to Belichick, his former mentor.
What a convenient juxtaposition of priorities: the same people who, in principle and in informal conversation, condemn the antisnitch rhetoric of the street also blast Mangini for turning in the Patriots.
We complain about a culture of silence in which people see wrongdoing but hold their tongues, in which those entrusted by the public look the other way and adhere to an artificial code in order to maintain the status quo.
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When an N.F.L. head coach outs his former boss for cheating, he is pilloried.
Some even chided Mangini for breaking an unspoken rule among N.F.L. coaches against turning one another in.
On Wednesday, a reporter asked Mangini about the unspoken rule. “I don’t know what unspoken rules there are or aren’t,” Mangini responded, “but what I can tell you is I’ve covered this topic extensively and it’s a league matter. There’s really nothing else I have to add to it.”
The Patriots, of course, have been on a search-and-destroy mission, obliterating every team in sight, most recently the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Last month, I thought the hapless Jets would be flogged without mercy, beaten by 60 points as punishment for the franchise’s perceived transgression. Sunday’s game would be a sacrifice, not merely a lopsided loss. Public humiliation of Mangini.
But the more I think about the filming escapade, the more I feel that Mangini, much more than Belichick, should be offended.
Mangini did what he was supposed to do: he turned in an opponent who was putting his team at a potential competitive disadvantage.
I would have turned in New England in a heartbeat.
Don’t tell me about what Mangini did or did not do when he was with New England. Mangini was a Patriots assistant from 2000 to 2005. The Patriots signed his checks, his loyalties accrued to New England.
When Mangini signed with the Jets, his allegiance followed. Where’s the complexity?
If I’m Mangini, the fact that my mentor was the one doing the filming makes it even worse. My position to Belichick would be: “You know that I know you cheat and you’re still going to come to my stadium and roll tape? Now I’m really angry.”
Let’s put some blue in that Patriots streak.
On Wednesday, Mangini responded to news reports that the Jets videotaped the Patriots during last season’s playoff game. Mangini said the Jets had asked for and received permission to film.
On the face of it, Spygate is a silly story that has legs because of Sunday’s game and the Patriots’ perfect record. Given the bizarre events of the season with players and coaches seemingly out of control, the greatest potential crisis to the league — and beyond — is a loss of honor.
On Wednesday, a stunned Arthur Blank stood before reporters in Atlanta, dumfounded that his coach, Bobby Petrino, had sneaked out of town like a thief in the night.
Blank said he felt betrayed. Under what code was Petrino operating?
Mangini could have observed the oafish code of silence and let Belichick and the Patriots slide. The consequences might have been devastating.
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On Wednesday, Darrelle Revis, the Jets’ rookie cornerback, offered the most perceptive observation with a simple question: What would have happened had the Jets discovered that Mangini knew the Patriots were cheating, but said nothing — because Belichick was his mentor?
Answer: Mangini would have lost this team back in September; the subsequent implosion would have made the Atlanta disaster seem like “The Love Boat.”
“Your team is like your family,” Revis said. “That’s where your loyalty is.”
So, the news media can sing “Danny Boy” all they like as Mangini leads his team into Foxborough for what appears to be certain doom. I wouldn’t be so quick to predict a rout.
The Patriots have Belichick and Brady and Welker and Moss. But for the first time all season, the Jets have right on their side.
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So if Mangini is a "rat", what the heck is Belichick?!
Apparently he is the victim.
I have no idea how, but it seems this way.
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"He's seen as a rat," said one assistant coach, "and to me he'll always be a rat. I'm not the only one who feels that way."
Said one general manager: "I wouldn't trust him and I'm pretty certain my coaches wouldn't trust him either."
This is the obstacle Mangini will have to overcome if he wants to be a head coach again: the belief that he stabbed his mentor, Belichick, in the back
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But the majority sentiment seems to be that front-office personnel and coaches would have difficulty trusting Mangini....
I don't get all this "rat" stuff. Why would anyone have a problem with the guy if they weren't cheating? Morons.
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I've been kinda thinkering the same thing. If you expose a cheater who is going to beat your team via cheating and everyone calls you a "rat" then I start to wonder just who all is cheating..
Who's to say that it's limited to bellichump?
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I don't get all this "rat" stuff. Why would anyone have a problem with the guy if they weren't cheating? Morons.
Exactly my concern as well Michelle... we herald a cheater as the best coach in the NFL and we call the guy that ratted on the cheater a bum..
Go figure.. worst part about it, according to these articles on the subject, there never was any absolute proof that Mangini did it.
What's it say about our society when we glorify a cheater and ban an honest man? Scary!
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Exactly,...it's looking more and more like the Jets screwed up firing this guy, rather than telling Brett to retire.
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Exactly,...it's looking more and more like the Jets screwed up firing this guy, rather than telling Brett to retire.
We all saw what happened to Green Bay when they tried doing the same thing to Brett last offseason...no way I want to go through that again. Ugh, FAVRESPN was having the time of their lives.
Even with that being said, there's NO WAY Brett retires into the sunset gracefully. He'll try to engineer some whacky Favregate situation again to get his mug all over the news so people can talk about how he "just has fun out there" and "plays the game the right way". Meanwhile, he's a prima donna interception machine that doesn't know his NFL career is done. He's Dan Marino with ONE ring. Puts it in the air way too often and it hurt his team when it counted. Desmond Howard was the MVP when GB won that Super Bowl in '97.
I can't stand him!
On topic: I think the Jets fired him to get Cowher. And now that it's clear they can't get him, they're screwed. Heck, we might have done the exact same thing. Sometimes I wonder if there's even a good cadidate out there this year. Like we all assume there's a HOF coach sitting waiting to be discovered, but is there really one out there right now?
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Before you go canonizing Mangini, consider this: if he's so righteous and honest, why did he only "rat" out Belichick when he was outside the organization and he stood to benefit by hurting his inter-conference rival? He had to have known about it when he was with the team to have such knowledge, so why didn't he blow the whistle then instead of going along with it?
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We all saw what happened to Green Bay when they tried doing the same thing to Brett last offseason...no way I want to go through that again. Ugh, FAVRESPN was having the time of their lives.
Even with that being said, there's NO WAY Brett retires into the sunset gracefully. He'll try to engineer some whacky Favregate situation again to get his mug all over the news so people can talk about how he "just has fun out there" and "plays the game the right way". Meanwhile, he's a prima donna interception machine that doesn't know his NFL career is done. He's Dan Marino with ONE ring. Puts it in the air way too often and it hurt his team when it counted. Desmond Howard was the MVP when GB won that Super Bowl in '97.
I can't stand him!
On topic: I think the Jets fired him to get Cowher. And now that it's clear they can't get him, they're screwed. Heck, we might have done the exact same thing. Sometimes I wonder if there's even a good cadidate out there this year. Like we all assume there's a HOF coach sitting waiting to be discovered, but is there really one out there right now?
A pox upon you and your house for saying bad things about Lord Bret.
Even though I agree with you wholeheartedly.
He is a prima donna that is past his prime and doesn't want to give up the spotlight.
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Before you go canonizing Mangini, consider this: if he's so righteous and honest, why did he only "rat" out Belichick when he was outside the organization and he stood to benefit by hurting his inter-conference rival? He had to have known about it when he was with the team to have such knowledge, so why didn't he blow the whistle then instead of going along with it?
There are always two sides to every story.
I took this from Attacks article above and I'm sure you already read it, but I find it a proper response to your question.
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JC; I read a post earlier in this thread that said that Mangini was already rounding up offensive/defensive coordinator porospects, and it said Rob Ryan was one of them. Does anybody know if Ryan was fired? If not would we have to promote him to assistant head coach as well as DC to get him. I've always been a fan of Rob Ryan, I think he's a hard nosed, and intense coach. Any thoughts?
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Before you go canonizing Mangini, consider this: if he's so righteous and honest, why did he only "rat" out Belichick when he was outside the organization and he stood to benefit by hurting his inter-conference rival? He had to have known about it when he was with the team to have such knowledge, so why didn't he blow the whistle then instead of going along with it?
There are always two sides to every story.
Let's assume Mangini was the source for the Spygate leak. IMO, he didn't do it to be honest or righteous. He came clean to protect himself and the team. See, he was the head coach of the division rival Jets. They play the Pats twice a year. If he did nothing, then maybe they lose those games to the Pats because Bill has an unfair advantage. He can't go to his owners and say, "we should have really had at least one more win, I didn't stop the Pats from cheating...so we lost both." He would be held accountable for both the losses.
And his players, like the Jets cornerback said above, he had to protect his players too. Had the offensive players had bad games that day against the Pats, that would affect their next contract (instead of 2-3 catches, they could have gotten 12-14 catches in those two games - big difference between a 65 and 78 catch guy come contract talks). And I'm sure the players would want him to do everything in his power to ensure they have the bet shot at winning that Sunday.
So in my opinion, he ratted the Pats out for selfish reasons. There's no way he would say anything if he took the Rams coaching position and never played against the Pats. So, he's not saint....just looking our for himself and his team.
Again, assuming he was the one that started the whole Spygate mess. I think he probably told someone within the Jets organization and assumed it would stay in-house. As in, "Hey Bob, we have to keep our signs under wraps more because the Pats steal signs with video cameras in the stands." And the next thing you know, it's all over the news.
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http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/01/06/sports/mj431907.txtKokinis' interview on hold, but Mangini appears to be the next head coach Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:54 AM EST By JEFF SCHUDEL jschudel@MorningJournal.comBaltimore is willing to let the Browns talk to George Kokinis about their opening for general manager, but Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome is making them wait five more days for the interview. Newsome's tactic has nothing to with making a division rival squirm. It has everything to do with the Ravens getting ready to play the Titans Saturday in Tennessee. Newsome does not want any distractions as his team gets ready for a second-round playoff game against the top seed in the AFC. Several teams want to interview Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan for a potential head coaching job, but Newsome is making those teams be patient for the same reason. The Browns are willing to wait until Sunday to interview Kokinis. They do not have to wait any longer to introduce Eric Mangini as the successor to Romeo Crennel as head coach. Mangini could be named head coach as soon as today or tomorrow. Mangini, 37, has emerged as the runaway favorite to become the Browns fourth head coach since returning to the NFL in 1999. He would be only the second head coach in Browns history, dating back to 1946, to have been a head coach elsewhere in the NFL. Nick Skorich, the Browns head coach from 1971-74 (30-36-2), was 15-24-3 coaching the Eagles from 1961-63. Mangini coached the Jets from 2006-2008, had two winning seasons and made the playoffs in 2006 with a 10-6 record, but he was fired because the Jets were 1-4 in their last four games and missed the playoffs in 2008 with a 9-7 mark. They were 4-12 in 2007. He was the first coach Browns owner Randy Lerner interviewed at the beginning of the search last week. Lerner has not interviewed any coaching candidates since meeting with Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels on Friday. Lerner also met with Giants defensive coordinator Tony Spagnuolo last Thursday and was impressed by him. According to one source Mangini has already met with Tucker and Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, but the Browns would not confirm the report. Kokinis is Mangini's pick for general manager. Kokinis would have duties he has never had before, such as running the draft, but an AFC source says Kokinis is up to the task. Kokinis, the Ravens' sixth-year pro personnel director now in his 18th NFL season, was part of the Ravens entourage that worked out Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco in a pre-draft workout last year. The Ravens ended up drafting Flacco in the first round, and now he has them one victory from the AFC championship game. "Ozzie wouldn't have sent him there if he didn't respect Kokinis' opinion," the source said. "Kokinis knows the AFC North. He knows the kind of players it takes to win it." The Browns are still talking with Patriots vice president of personnel Scott Pioli, but all signs point to Kokinis becoming general manager soon after the Ravens' season ends unless for some reason Lerner changes his mind about Mangini. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like the Mangini/Kokinis connection....I think it has long-term potential.....
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Yet, I'm assuming, everyone would jump at the chance to hire the actual cheater. Yeah, there's a lot of integrity in the league.
I agree.
I think the article is a line of crap written by some gang banger wanna-be....
I like people who turn in cheaters.
If the code is to cover for cheaters, then all of them need to get the hell out.
Somebody stacking a deck at a card game runs a serious risk of being harmed...serious talk here....what is so different about this??
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I don't know if this is the right spot for this and I don't want this to become a which qb is better thread. I'm just curious as to what you guys think now that mangini will likely be the coach, which quarterbacks style of play he would prefer. In my opinion I think if he wants a chad pennington like qb one who will manage the game then I think Brady will be his guy. Any thoughts or disagreements? 
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Spec, I actually was talking to Attack Dawg in PM about that very thing earlier this evening..
I'm pretty sure that if it was going on while he was there in NE, that he had to be part of it.
But there are still two problems
1. There is no proof that it was going on when Mangini was with the pats but if it was, there is no proof that Mangini knew about.
2. There is no proof that Mangini actually said a word to anyone that it was going on. In fact there seems to be equal speculation that it wasn't him. I don't remember the camera man even mentioning Mangini or anyone else in the organization. (he may have, but I don't remember it)
So, Mangini is innocent until proven guilty... It's the american way. We are free to speculate all we want.., but it means nothing.
Belichick was proven guilty of breaking league rules... He was punished and the team was punished.
Until new FACTS come to light that would point directly to Mangini, for me, it's END OF STORY.
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Spec, I actually was talking to Attack Dawg in PM about that very thing earlier this evening..
I'm pretty sure that if it was going on while he was there in NE, that he had to be part of it.
But there are still two problems
1. There is no proof that it was going on when Mangini was with the pats but if it was, there is no proof that Mangini knew about.
2. There is no proof that Mangini actually said a word to anyone that it was going on. In fact there seems to be equal speculation that it wasn't him. I don't remember the camera man even mentioning Mangini or anyone else in the organization. (he may have, but I don't remember it)
So, Mangini is innocent until proven guilty... It's the american way. We are free to speculate all we want.., but it means nothing.
Belichick was proven guilty of breaking league rules... He was punished and the team was punished.
Until new FACTS come to light that would point directly to Mangini, for me, it's END OF STORY.
That would be my point of view as well except that he has a reputation around the league as a betrayer. I don't think he'd get that reputation with no reason. The only way people feel the way that they do about him is if he actually had part. Thus, while I can't directly prove it, all the people in the league that hold it against him can't be wrong, can they?
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I think that handling this qb contreversy should be one of the top priorities of the incoming coach/gm. DA is set to receive a roster bonus in march, so if he's not the future, he needs to be moved for another player or pick. Brady has been waiting for a while, and we have only seen 2 games from him. So it will be harder for the new coach to really know what he's got in him. IMO I would trade DA and put my faith in Quinn. I just feel more comfortable with him, but like I said that is only my opinion.
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That would be my point of view as well except that he has a reputation around the league as a betrayer.
What do you mean that he has a reputation for being a Betrayer? I was under the impression that this whole betrayal thing was over Spygate.. and like I said, they haven't proven he did anything..
So, where did this reputation you speak of come from? What incedent(s) are you speaking of.
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Actually, Daman, it very well could have gone on without his knowledge or involvement (not saying it did, but it could have). This was an accusation that the Pats were filming DEFENSIVE signals and using them, not offensive (the plays were called through the QB's helmet as we all know). Therefore, considering Mangini was a DC and was not invoved in meetings or gameplanning of the offense and are not wired into the offensive headsets, it is quite possible that Mangini didn't know what was going on for sure, only heard rumors, or even caught on to what was going on while coaching in New York. I'm not saying that it did happen that way, that I've heard that from anyone, or anthing other than it is possible.....or to use your guidelines, reasonable doubt.
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Yeah, I know Coach,.,, it is possible that he wasn't aware of it.. he's a smart guy so I am having some trouble believing that, but it's possible.
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That would be my point of view as well except that he has a reputation around the league as a betrayer.
What do you mean that he has a reputation for being a Betrayer? I was under the impression that this whole betrayal thing was over Spygate.. and like I said, they haven't proven he did anything..
So, where did this reputation you speak of come from? What incedent(s) are you speaking of.
Part of the reason people are staying away from him as a head coach is the impression that he can't be trusted and a good part of that has come from Spygate. The reason why I was saying that is because a guy doesn't get a reputation for no reason. If he really wasn't the source in Spygate, why does everyone think he is? Why does Belichick hate his guts even more than when he left the Patriots for the Jets? I can't think of any other reason than, even if it's not publicly known, that it was him.
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I really don't understand this whole argument about how Mangini cant be trusted. If he knew about the taping when he was in NE, he was loyal to his team and kept his mouth shut. In NY, If I knew my oppenent was cheating against me and my team hell ya I would speak up. His loyalty was to the NY jets. He has to do what he did, you can't let someone cheat like that and use that stuff to their advantage to beat your new team. If he didn't say anything, where's his loyalty to the Jets. To me, that shows a guy is loyal to his team man, he risked alot by speaking up, and it could be burning him now. But I'll tell you what, I bet his players were glad he was loyal to them!
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Does it really matter if Mangini is a, whatever New England has called him? I really dont care as long as the guy can coach.
I'm scared because the only persons approval on getting him is Randy freaking Lerner...a soccer owner.
The "rat" issue...
Its a total non-issue to me, the real issue is whether or not he's the right HC...and now whether or not he can run and NFL team and its personnel department, because that is what he will be doing come next week, along with his puppet Kok.
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Ya, and that's a big issue right there (mangini running everything). As far as being a coach, I think our team needs a good kick in the butt to wake up, and I think that the coach holding these players accountable, and not just being a father figure is just what we need for a turn around. There's no way that we have a 4-12 roster, no way. We need a coach to milk these players for everything they've got, and I think Mangini is that coach. Kokinis ... I don't know. I think it would definately be a huge step in the right direction for the coach/gm to be on the same sheet of music, so at least they've got something going so far. As far as scouting goes that's a different story. Light some candles, say some prayers, and keep your fingers crossed.
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Does it really matter if Mangini is a, whatever New England has called him? I really dont care as long as the guy can coach.
I'm scared because the only persons approval on getting him is Randy freaking Lerner...a soccer owner.
The "rat" issue...
Its a total non-issue to me, the real issue is whether or not he's the right HC...and now whether or not he can run and NFL team and its personnel department, because that is what he will be doing come next week, along with his puppet Kok.
You do understand that Lerner has several people's opinion, including the former commissioner, giving him advice on this, right?
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Again, where have you gotten your information that Lerner is the only one that "apprroves" of Mangini? Please don't start your silly arguement that no one else has contacted him. It's been reported, and I posted it before the reports came out, that people were staying away from him as a candidate because they were sure he was getting the Browns job and there was no sense contacting him. As I stated before, everyone I have talked to that I know in the organization UNANIMOUSLY wants Mangini as the coach and NO ONE they've talked to have said otherwise. So, who are these people that you have documentation, or even heard from a source, that doesn't "approve" of Mangini....other than fans on a messageboard that have no clue 
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Kokinis would have duties he has never had before, such as running the draft, but an AFC source says Kokinis is up to the task.
This scares me a bit. I hope this AFC source is not an Awful Football Coach.
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Part of the reason people are staying away from him as a head coach is the impression that he can't be trusted and a good part of that has come from Spygate.
WTF do u get this chit from???
I thought I've been seeing anything and everything that's come out about our Mangini interest...But apparently I missed ALOT...His being black-balled throughout the entire league is YOUR OPINION...Not fact...
And if u can...Give us SOLID FACT and not this BS "Some Sources Across the League"...
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Again, where have you gotten your information that Lerner is the only one that "apprroves" of Mangini? Please don't start your silly arguement that no one else has contacted him. It's been reported, and I posted it before the reports came out, that people were staying away from him as a candidate because they were sure he was getting the Browns job and there was no sense contacting him. As I stated before, everyone I have talked to that I know in the organization UNANIMOUSLY wants Mangini as the coach and NO ONE they've talked to have said otherwise. So, who are these people that you have documentation, or even heard from a source, that doesn't "approve" of Mangini....other than fans on a messageboard that have no clue
Well poo...I coulda saved myself 2 minutes if I'd read further...lol...
That's for YOU too Spec...
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You know that I know you cheat and you’re still going to come to my stadium and roll tape? Now I’m really angry.”
He had enough of mumbles..there were other things I dug up...it seems the ones who are angry at Mangini are angry because he busted the head of the underworld of coaches  Poor mumbles didn't get what he deserved..I remember saying that when their first round pick was taken away..they still had another first round pick..so how did that really hurt them??
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