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Thank you for validating my opinion in regards to DA. Every statement you made I disagree 100% and since I have read the source before and this source (you) is approximately 99.8% of the time wrong it is good to assume that will continue your supurb record on being wrong and you will see DA is at best a backup, but some team is gonna find out the hard way he's not that good and I could care less who.
Please explain how I have been wrong
I said 2 years ago Romeo was not a Head coach good coordinator but over his head - Check I was right
I said 2 years ago Savage was not qualified to be a GM - check I was right
I said Mo Carthon was a moron - Check I was right
Please Explain.......
enough about who was right and who was wrong for a second and look atthe big picture
Everyone complains about Anderson's "mobility" well....Tom Brady is about as immobile as they come...he "rarely" ever leaves the pocket....he seems to do just fine
Peyton Manning is not mobile at all...he rarely leaves the original pocket, he seems to do just fine as well
Mobility means jack squat, honestly
If the play is a 3 step drop, you take your 3 steps and fire the ball, if your primary is covered, you hit the check down..2 quick reads can be done in 3 seonds, Anderson done this just fine, much like Brady and Manning
If the play is a 5 step drop, the QB has time for a 3rd and sometimes a 4th read depending on the play....again....DA did this just fine
Mobility is over-rated...Look at Big Ben..his mobility hurts his team more then helping them recently...look how many times he has been sacked the last few years. That Steeler D is what wins them games and sets up that field position over there...Ben would be awful here in Cleveland for this reason
I will take a pure pocket passer over the guy that runs around anyday of the week
Look at Tom Freakin Brady...he rarely ever moves out of the pocket...so he would be "one-dimensional" and not a good enough QB because he can't scramble
I remember last year before the Pats Game Bellichik was quoted as saying "Derek Anderson must have talent, or he wouldn't be starting. He had a few big games against Cinci and a few others, and is playing really well right now. A young kid with a strong arm and a bright future"
It matters not if Anderson is Mobile, Kosar wasn't, he was still a fine QB
Im just telling you becareful what you wish for
Ozzie Newsome tried to get DA back from us, but we refused to trade him...If Ozzie is intrested in him and if Ozzie says hes a Good QB, he is a good QB period
The grass is always greener on the otherside until you get there
you folks are going to regret runn ing DA out of town
Heck he broke all of Sipes records, you folks would be all for running Sipe out of town for Quinn...are you nuts!?
Think about this logically...29 TDs...in the NFL...bums don't do that...period..it don't happen....Anderson is a good enough QB to win here...he is better than Quinn....please watch the Bills game where they took the short stuff away from Quinn and see how much he struggled in that game
Quinn is easy to gameplan for
Take away the short stuff and bring pressure right up the middle
Anderson short game improved a bit this year, he has a faster release then Quinn, and Teams have to respect Anderson's arm which opens up the run game
The OL and Drops were more to blame then DA...if you can't see that I suggest you take your Quinn glasses off
when reality comes your going to be highly dissapointed
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Please explain how I have been wrong
At the very least you certainly have changed your tune. In a quick search of about 10 seconds I found this post of your's:
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I personally hope Quinn plays well. I have never been shy in advocating I would rather see Quinn as the starter..I feel he gives us the best chance to win "moving forward down the road"
Anderson may be "slightly better" right now...but he doesn't have Quinn's potential....
I want to see Anderson do well, i really do...but what the kid has in talent with that arm is negated by his decision making....when Anderson is on he is on, but when he is bad, he is downright awful..look at the Cincy game last year
I'll Never forgive DA for that game...DA had no pressure from the Bengals D on him, our Ol gave him plenty of time...all those INTS were DA's fault..thats all on him
that proved to me the kid can't handle pressure...he folded...plain and simple...the kid cracked...he's not primetime material....Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, they win that game....I don't think Brady Quinn loses that game either
Look at ND since Quinn left...their god awful
What Quinn gives you over Da is this.
1: Quinn "will not" single handily lose a game for you. Quinn don't make dumb throws, the kid doesn't try to force things that simply aren't there.
2. Quinn is a truse student of the game, the kid is smart, reads his progressions quickly and takes what the D gives him. Quinn was known in college for not throwing alot of interceptions
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Anderson has alot of talent too, don't get me wrong. but Andersons main shortcomings are
1. He takes too many risks and force the ball...he throws balls that shouldn't be thrown and this caught up with him in the Cincy game last year..you can't do that in this league. Remember when he got picked off in the Endzone Against N.E in the 1st quarter? Jason Wright was wide open in the flat and instead Anderson forces the ball to BE who was triple covered and got picked off...that is the type of stuff im talking about...Quinn would not have made that throw because he is "smart enough" to know not to do that.
2. Anderson has no tough on his short passing game, Andersons short passing game is awful...the Steelers exposed him...Anderson struggles when teams play a 2 deep cover 2 zone and force him to throw underneath...he struggled hard against the Steelers in the 2nd half of that game because he couldn't thorw the short underneath stuff to move the chains to save his life.
Anderson will struggle this year...i just hope Romeo has the sense that if Anderson falters big time in the 1st game, the 2nd game at the latest to yank the kid and put in Quinn so we can win some football games...we had an easy schedule last year
Anderson has not shown me he has improved on that short passing game at all...he is still struggling with it..the 6-11 yard passing game in the NFL is the bread and butter..if you cna't complete 65% of those passes..your not worthy to be a QB..those are the passes you have to be able to get consistently..look at Brady, Manning, that is their bread and butter...Anderson has yet to prove to anyone he can do this...
Quinn proved it last year in his drive against San Fran in the reg season, and has proved it in the preseason
Quinn may not have "as strong" of an arm as DA..most QB'S don't have DA's arm..but Quinn's is strong enough to get the job done....
just remember i said this...DA will struggle this year....just a matter of when not if...his short passing game and bad decison making and forcing the ball into triple coverages will be his undoing...he got lucky alot of times last year....DA hasn't won a game against a team with a willing record...remember that...
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Sometimes I have to remind myself you guys don't like to do any little work instead of jumping the gun.
Read the first two sentences of my first response..and tell me what happened .
DA got good protection all year didn't he?
In the Cincy game explain the picks.
Don't charge it to the wind either..
Tacker...I'm referring to this years offensive line and this years WR play and how those offensive elements impacted the play of "all" our QBs.
Now, if you want to claim Anderson sucked last year (2007), fine, that's your opinion and you have to explain it.
This year, all our QBs had a hard time showing improvement...did all our QBs suck?
I stand by what I said...there were problems with the Oline protecting our QBs and the play of our WRs really sucked compared to 2007. It's kind of hard to show improvement (in 2008) when the play of those around you declined.
Also, I want to add the injury factors to the equation...injuries to Anderson in the preseason, injuries to Edwards in the preseason, the loss of Jurevicius for the entire season hurt.
Tacker...you want to pretend it's all on Anderson, fine, you do that..and we will just disagree...it happens.
Does that mean I believe Anderson is better than Quinn and should return as our starting QB in 2009...that is not what I'm saying at all. My personal opinion is that one of the two has to go because neither is gonna get better setting on the bench.
But that does not mean that Anderson's poor performance "this" season was not affected by the supporting cast around Anderson...ie..Oline, Wrs.
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U mean he speaks with "FORKED TONGUE?"
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lol....remind me to never mess with you 
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DA is at best a backup, but some team is gonna find out the hard way he's not that good and I could care less who.
Im hoping the Brett Favre retires and the Jets need a QB  . They wont have a shot at the top 2 or 3 in the draft because they will be picking too late.
Well, Tebow isn't projected to go until the 2nd from the mock drafts that I've seen thus far......but dumping DA off on the Jets wouldn't upset me either.....
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I like DA, I hate to have to keep restating that, but I do...
Way to pimp him!
do you think maybe some NFL GM's are reading the board? Hope so. Good work.
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Please explain how I have been wrong
At the very least you certainly have changed your tune. In a quick search of about 10 seconds I found this post of your's:
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I personally hope Quinn plays well. I have never been shy in advocating I would rather see Quinn as the starter..I feel he gives us the best chance to win "moving forward down the road"
Anderson may be "slightly better" right now...but he doesn't have Quinn's potential....
I want to see Anderson do well, i really do...but what the kid has in talent with that arm is negated by his decision making....when Anderson is on he is on, but when he is bad, he is downright awful..look at the Cincy game last year
I'll Never forgive DA for that game...DA had no pressure from the Bengals D on him, our Ol gave him plenty of time...all those INTS were DA's fault..thats all on him
that proved to me the kid can't handle pressure...he folded...plain and simple...the kid cracked...he's not primetime material....Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe, they win that game....I don't think Brady Quinn loses that game either
Look at ND since Quinn left...their god awful
What Quinn gives you over Da is this.
1: Quinn "will not" single handily lose a game for you. Quinn don't make dumb throws, the kid doesn't try to force things that simply aren't there.
2. Quinn is a truse student of the game, the kid is smart, reads his progressions quickly and takes what the D gives him. Quinn was known in college for not throwing alot of interceptions
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Anderson has alot of talent too, don't get me wrong. but Andersons main shortcomings are
1. He takes too many risks and force the ball...he throws balls that shouldn't be thrown and this caught up with him in the Cincy game last year..you can't do that in this league. Remember when he got picked off in the Endzone Against N.E in the 1st quarter? Jason Wright was wide open in the flat and instead Anderson forces the ball to BE who was triple covered and got picked off...that is the type of stuff im talking about...Quinn would not have made that throw because he is "smart enough" to know not to do that.
2. Anderson has no tough on his short passing game, Andersons short passing game is awful...the Steelers exposed him...Anderson struggles when teams play a 2 deep cover 2 zone and force him to throw underneath...he struggled hard against the Steelers in the 2nd half of that game because he couldn't thorw the short underneath stuff to move the chains to save his life.
Anderson will struggle this year...i just hope Romeo has the sense that if Anderson falters big time in the 1st game, the 2nd game at the latest to yank the kid and put in Quinn so we can win some football games...we had an easy schedule last year
Anderson has not shown me he has improved on that short passing game at all...he is still struggling with it..the 6-11 yard passing game in the NFL is the bread and butter..if you cna't complete 65% of those passes..your not worthy to be a QB..those are the passes you have to be able to get consistently..look at Brady, Manning, that is their bread and butter...Anderson has yet to prove to anyone he can do this...
Quinn proved it last year in his drive against San Fran in the reg season, and has proved it in the preseason
Quinn may not have "as strong" of an arm as DA..most QB'S don't have DA's arm..but Quinn's is strong enough to get the job done....
just remember i said this...DA will struggle this year....just a matter of when not if...his short passing game and bad decison making and forcing the ball into triple coverages will be his undoing...he got lucky alot of times last year....DA hasn't won a game against a team with a willing record...remember that...
OK you did get me there, That was a post I made out of some serious Frustration on my part, and I will be glad to admit right now that I "jumped" to some conclusions about Brady Quinn
I am saying "Now" I have seen enough of Quinn to know that he has a very high boom or bust factor that Da don't have...thats all i am saying
I personally think things should fall like this
Keep BOTH DA and Quinn
Let them battle it out in Camp...whoever wins and the New Coach likes Starts the season off the other is the backup, be it Quinn or DA....if 1 struggles and the other comes in for a stretch of games and doesn't..you trade the other
I am just saying
"We haven't seen enough of Quinn to trade DA yet" fropm the 2 games we seen of Quinn especially the Buffalo game...Quinn struggled when they took the shoirt stuff away...will he overcome that? I am not sure, no one is"
But it is enough to merit keeping Da as a backup plan for atleast another year....we cna;'t risk trading away a Decent QB when we aren't sure what we really have with Quinn
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I am just saying
"We haven't seen enough of Quinn to trade DA yet" fropm the 2 games we seen of Quinn especially the Buffalo game...Quinn struggled when they took the shoirt stuff away...will he overcome that? I am not sure, no one is"
But it is enough to merit keeping Da as a backup plan for atleast another year....we cna;'t risk trading away a Decent QB when we aren't sure what we really have with Quinn
No way to we keep them both....When the new regime comes in, they need to announce who they are gonna run with and stick to their decision...enough with this QB drama....there will be plenty of QB's to pick up that can do just as good of a job as DA or Quinn. Personally, I say keep Quinn, and somehow get rid of DA. There is just to much drama factor with both of them. The only way I say keep DA over Quinn is for someone make us an offer we can't refuse like in a trade or something, or if our new coach has a past of working well with QB's and could coach DA ......
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if we HAD to choose one, it's clearly the better choice to keep quinn. there's no question there but if a new regime wants to cover all the bases, they don't care about the potential "drama" because both are supposd to be professional. they need to find out who they feel is the best qb on the roster so we're probably keeping both for 09 if we can deal with DA's $5 million. nothing makes you look worse like shipping off the wrong qb.
we haven't even begun covering the fact that we may even draft a qb too.
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Again and again...get him OUT of the pocket...or even get him to move around withing the pocket as long as he has to move laterally and then reset his feet...his rhythm is gone (hey I finally figured out how to spell rhythm ) and so would be his accuracy.
Being an old, fat, guy with no rhythm I can both understand and relate to that EO.
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I am saying "Now" I have seen enough of Quinn to know that he has a very high boom or bust factor that Da don't have...thats all i am saying
You are saying after 3 starts (and half of that time with a broken finger) that you have seen ENOUGH of Quinn to make any type of judgement? I think that says enough.....
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