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...makes me wonder just how bad the spelling and grammar is in other presentations by coaches.
I don't think Savage's comment had a thing to do with spelling and grammer.
I think he was trying to get the point across as to how well prepared, concise and accurate Chud was in his presentation. Attention to detail. Even spelling.
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Still, wouldn't any offensive OC be smart enough to utilize the talents of Winslow and Edwards?
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Sorry for the fiction... Just cracks me up and says alot about why he may have had to wait so long before someone gave him a shot...
I don't think RAC is near the dummy many are now trying to make him out to be. He deals with his team and superiors in one way, and the media and fans in another.
"If it works it's a good play; if it doesn't it's a bad one", is about as cut and dry as you can phrase it. How many great plays get scrutinized from the standpoint of "what if it hadn't worked?". None. It was a good play. How many bad plays get scrutinized from the standpoint of "what should have been done instead?" All of them. They were bad plays.
If it's exectued to success then it's a good play. If it's not, it's a bad play. The half back option of Vickers to Winslow on 3rd and short would have been hailed genius if it had worked. The pass was right on. It was just a little late being thrown. Bad execution. Bad play. But had Vickers thrown the same ball just a little sooner Winslow could have won the jump ball competion for a TD. The ball was thrown directly to him. But the defenders had time to get over there and get in the way. Good execution; good play. Bad execution; bad play. It wasn't your conventional play call. They gambled on taking a chance and it didn't work.
Hindsight is 20/20.
RAC would never have lasted as long in the NFL as he did if he were even remotely close to the way you characterized him. I know you were kidding. But only to a degree. Somewhere along the line, some have come to envision him as "a deer in the headlights" who bumbles his way through the day.
RAC is no idiot. He's under great pressure and scrutiny to tear down one house and build another on the same spot, successfully, sooner rather than later. He's got a ballpeen hammer and a hacksaw to work with. Any one of us would be in a state of confusion and indecision at times as to just how to go about this task. Sometimes it will show.
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Did Savage really say that he was most influenced by Jimmy Johnson?
no..... what he said was
Chudzinski's coaching mentors have been Davis, Coker and Schottenheimer.
``If he's out of any school (of coaches), it's probably Jimmy Johnson,'' Savage said. ``I think he has enough background to do this job.''
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Crennel said of the Chargers that ``they run the ball, they throw the ball, they score points..
LMFAO... and this is why he only has experience at coaching defense... 
we didn't run the ball, we threw the ball, we didn't score points.
maybe there's something to what he said 
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"I can't wait until the Brains of the board explain this one to me !"
 yeah every thing we do is wrong...at least you're consistant 
He is NOT an experienced NFL OC. It's just another experiment IMO. And we've had enough of that.
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Still, wouldn't any offensive OC be smart enough to utilize the talents of Winslow and Edwards?
It was worth a curtain call 
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Toad I believe this was in one of your posts - my bad if I miss quote you
You did, but it's ok.
Thomas has been my #1 guy all along and will remain so until the time when something negative turns up regarding him.
As far as QB's go, it was just an answer to Spectre who was suggesting that Peterson may be in our future because of little *hints*. To lay it all out again would be confusing. If you truly need to know the details, I'd point you back towards the three or four posts that led up to what you skimmed over.
I don't want a QB. I don't want a RB. I want Thomas. If we can't get Thomas, then I want.....Thomas.
Make no mistake about it, *L*
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"I don't want a QB. I don't want a RB. I want Thomas. If we can't get Thomas, then I want.....Thomas."
Good man... no further explanation is needed. although the very last part was confusing or just that much in your conviction...but anyways catch the drift.
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dang Toad,,, that pic is freakin me out man,,,,,,
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Glad they did the hiring with plenty of time to scout the upcoming Shriners and Seniors games.
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http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindea...&thispage=2On-the-job training is the Browns' way Monday, January 22, 2007 Bud Shaw Plain Dealer Columnist No one should have ex pected the next offensive coordinator to ride into town on a white horse. But training wheels again? Rob Chudzinski, raised in Toledo, followed his heart here. However anemic their offense, the Browns made more sense for him than he does for them. Chudzinski was one of four in-house candidates, but not the favorite, to succeed Cam Cameron in San Diego. Chargers head coach Marty Schottenheimer has one year to win the Super Bowl or else. And here was the team Chudzinski grew up cheering offering him a promotion. Advertisement While the Browns are several steps down the talent ladder from the Chargers, Chudzinski has a better chance to show improvement conducting an offense that finished 31st in rushing and total yards and 30th in scoring. Romeo Crennel's 10-22 record figured as an obstacle to hiring a proven coordinator. We don't know how hard Crennel lobbied his friend Dan Henning, who could end up running the Dallas Cowboys' offense next season. But apparently not hard enough. Henning was talked out of semi-retirement once and might only coach another year. He wanted to stay south if at all possible. The disappointment in Henning not coming here is almost as much symbolic as real. He's the kind of hard-sell experienced hire the Browns never seem to make. I worked in Atlanta when he coached there. He's bright, creative and tough enough that he wouldn't suffer Braylon Edwards' antics or all the lobbying in Charlie Frye's ear in the huddle. Maybe Chudzinski won't either. We can't say. But good luck with that. He was the Miami Hurricanes' offensive coordinator for three seasons. But another challenge is except for his brief interim coordinator work here in 2004, his plan for "attack" offense hasn't stood up to attack defense in Pittsburgh or Baltimore on a regular basis. Hiring a relative novice isn't fatally flawed or even outside the norm in the NFL. Miami hired Cameron, whose experience as a head coach is limited to losing seasons at Indiana University. The Steelers are expected to hire first-time head coach Mike Tomlin. Arizona hired the unknown (Ken Whisenhunt) after firing the known (Dennis Green.) But it's a greater leap for Chudzinski - from a star-laden offense in San Diego, where he was tight ends coach, to running this offense. At least coordinators moving on up had to develop strategy, massage egos and make game-day adjustments. Those translate to head coaching. Advertisement Chudzinski represents a greater risk especially because of Crennel. Crennel's tendency is to look at the offensive side of the ball the way Sgt. Schultz dealt with Col. Hogan's shenanigans. He saw nothing, at least nothing worth getting too upset about. Unless Crennel can learn new tricks, Chudzinski inherits an even greater amount of responsibility. When Bill Belichick saw trouble here offensively, he stepped in and took over the reins. Brian Billick did the same in Baltimore last year. Phil Savage has promised Crennel will be more involved in offensive meetings. Guess that's a start. Chudzinski figures to need some help in his first year as a full-time coordinator. If he doesn't, that would finally be a first in Berea worth applauding. To reach Bud Shaw: bshaw@plaind.com, 216-999-5639 Previous columns online: cleveland.com/columns
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As long as we're both in agreement that Chud's time around LT has little to do with the increase of the odds that we'll take a back (Peterson or otherwise) in the 1st, we'll talk.
That won't fall on Chud but it's Opie's call how he has him rated..
Even though the staff will have imput on the players they select, I think it comes down to what is the most IMPACT..who's going to impact the team more?
If Peterson is the choice it won't be because the Chud envisions another LT..it's because Opie + Sooners = draft pick ..lol..
Still, wouldn't any offensive OC be smart enough to utilize the talents of Winslow and Edwards? I think Savage would laugh a guy out of the room if he didn't talk up Edwards and Winslow. That doesn't suggest they might be leaning towards a RB because of the offensive scheme.
And one could say that the RB plays a key part in the offense regardless..
If they don't feel RD is going to be STRONG as the feature back they'll do something about it..IF THEY feel he is better as a FB, then watch out.
But again I say that if AP is the choice , it won't be because of LT being in SD..
I can't equate anything in Chud to a shift towards Peterson. To me, you build the lines then go from there.
I agree with that..U can't run if ya can't block..
Now the first part of this is what happens in FA..I have to look at the list again but if they bring in a OG or two it won't be a high priced one..I just don't see it right now.
Besides, tell me about an "attack style" when we'd be a "run-first" team. My mental image of "attack" would be an offense that goes down the field and takes more chances. With that thought in mind, I'd be thinking a quarterback with a stronger arm or an offensive line that can buy the WR's and QB the time to let the longer patterns form. RB would be further down my list in that regard.
Strong arm as in make all the throws?
We need a QB who makes the correct decisions..
The facts are that Opie's butt is on the line here. He can't risk any more picks that aren't safe. He threw the dice on Edwards, and the probability that he'll turn the corner are less than desireable. He's about to lose his first head coach, and has fired some coaches to buy time (as well as ineptitude). He needs to throw strikes on draft day, and historically speaking, taking a left tackle is the best bet.
He can't take any more risks but those picks have to be home runs also..plus we have to factor in these guys MUST HAVE STARTING TALENT IMMEDIATELY..he can't wait for 2-3 years before these guys blossom , he's got to get instant impact right away OR the alternative is another developing season with a lot of bad losses and then U know what happens next..
and I see a situation where Thomas is the favorite.
Now, what happens if Phil finds a flaw in his game? What happens if they find something in his knee at the combine? Then all bets are off.
Thats obvious..but I don't think that'll be the case..it's the same stuff like what happened to MM last year and his back..
I am sticking to Thomas as the first choice..
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A few more thoughts: ---Earlier, I mentioned B. Shottenheimer as being on my wish list for our OC next year. It was just wishful thinking. OCs supposedly can't make lateral moves. I don't follow that part of the game, but it seems that there are coaches that switch teams. Am I just imagining that? Or, is there a loophole? And on another thread, it was stated as gospel that coaches can't change teams unless they are becoming a head coach. It was said that an OC was still an assistant, so it was not a move up. Well.......Chud made the move. So, what is it? I really wish you guys wouldn't say things in such a strong and convincing manner when you are not sure. I still don't understand how this works. I wish somone who knows what their talking about would enlighten me. I won't forget and can help educate people in the future. ---Someone questioned me about what available OCs could have come here. LMAO............. clueless. It was me who said we would not get an established OC and other posters who said we would get an established OC. Gotta love how some of you turn things around. ---I look at all these moves the Browns make year in and year out. Jesus......just 2 yrs. into the new regime, which was supposed to be the end-all, and the Browns are already undergoing another major overhaul. This organization is in disarray and one of the true laughingstocks in the NFL. They are right there w/Arizona and Detroit.
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From what I've read, the wording is important - the new "rule" is that a team does not have to grant permission for another team to talk to one of their coaches unless it is for a promotion to a HC job. Doesn't mean they can't grant it - but they don't have to. Savage was rejected from talking to Chud several times - then they allowed it for some reason.
Also - a coach can leave in the same manner as it sounds like happened w/ our ST coach - if a coach doesn't sign a contract extention - he can leave for a water-boy position if he wants once his contract is up.
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Also - a coach can leave in the same manner as it sounds like happened w/ our ST coach - if a coach doesn't sign a contract extention - he can leave for a water-boy position if he wants once his contract is up.
I wish we could find out if it's true that Rosburg is leaving... No confirmation from the Falcons or Browns and no denials either,,, just lots of smoke on the subject which usually means there could be something to it..
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I wish we could find out if it's true that Rosburg is leaving... No confirmation from the Falcons or Browns and no denials either,,, just lots of smoke on the subject which usually means there could be something to it..
Hope not!
Yeah - hoping that its smoke - but it sure seems like a done deal. Too many sources saying the same thing.
Can't blame the guy. He does his job but never gets that feeling that HIS unit helped to get the win. Hollow feeling, I'd guess. Gets old.
Honestly, we have some solid special teams players and RAC is a big ST guy. I don't expect too great a drop-off regardless, but it would have been nice to have ST be a known commodity going into next season. Now its just another variable.
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It was just wishful thinking. OCs supposedly can't make lateral moves. I don't follow that part of the game, but it seems that there are coaches that switch teams. Am I just imagining that? Or, is there a loophole? And on another thread, it was stated as gospel that coaches can't change teams unless they are becoming a head coach. It was said that an OC was still an assistant, so it was not a move up. Well.......Chud made the move. So, what is it? I really wish you guys wouldn't say things in such a strong and convincing manner when you are not sure. I still don't understand how this works. I wish somone who knows what their talking about would enlighten me. I won't forget and can help educate people in the future.
In regards to coaches.... there is indeed no distinction between assistants and coordinators... they are all viewed as being on the same level. This is the reason that we have seen some teams adorn coaches they want to keep with the title Asst Head Coach.
As for contracts, if the coach is still under contract, then he would not be able to move on to another team without the consent of his current team (i.e. by them releasing him from his current contract). There are plenty of cases where they will do this if the position is viewed as a step up (e.g. position coach to coordinator ..... note: the distinction here is in personal perception of the team/head coach/front office, not a legal distinction in the CBA) as noone wants to be the bad guy holding a guy back from an opportunity. You know OC is a step up, I know it, they know it, the Browns & Chargers know it.... the CBA just doesn't see it that way. That distinction right there probably explains any confusion on the issue.
I am not familiar with Chud's contract terms, but this could well be the case. As far as the CBA is concerned, he's still an assitant, but it's obvious that OC is a step up from TE Coach... thus if he was still under contract they would be releasing him from it for him to take the gig here. Furthermore, they would have had to have given permission for us to even speak to him in the first place if he was still under contract, so before anyone jumps on the disbelief bandwagon, they would not have granted permission for the interview in the first place if they weren't prepared to allow him to take the job.
Hope that helps ya a bit Vers.
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Vers Chud was not the OC at SD..
The Cleveland Browns have named Rob Chudzinski as offensive coordinator, the club announced this morning. Chudzinski joins the Browns from the San Diego Chargers where he served the last two seasons as tight ends coach. Chudzinksi brings 13 years of coaching experience, including three in the NFL and ten years in the collegiate ranks.
Chudzinski, a native of Toledo, Ohio, previously served as Browns tight ends coach during the 2004 season under Head Coach Butch Davis and also served as offensive coordinator for the final five games under interim Head Coach Terry Robiskie.
Chudzinski spent ten years as an assistant at the University of Miami including three years as offensive coordinator and tight ends coach (2001-2003), five years as tight ends coach (1996-2000) and two years as a graduate assistant (1994-95).
I read somewhere he was going to interview/or be considered for the Chargers OC job ..so it's not a lateral move..
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Thanks to you and danglet for taking the time to explain this situation to me. I'm still a bit unclear as to how it works, but that isn't your fault. You did a very good job of explaining it; I'm just a little slow.
Does it boil down to receiving permission? For example, the Chargers didn't give the Browns permission earlier, but perhaps Marty changed his mind because he knows that there is a strong possibility that he will only be there for 1 more year and he wanted to give a young coach an opportunity to gain more secure employment?
And if that is the case, does that mean young Shottenheimer has almost zero chance of being available, because the Jets aren't going to be firing Mangini anytime soon?
I think Marty's kid is going to be a real big name shortly. If I'm understanding you correctly, he will have to become a head coach if he leaves???
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Thanks to you and danglet for taking the time to explain this situation to me. I'm still a bit unclear as to how it works, but that isn't your fault. You did a very good job of explaining it; I'm just a little slow.
Does it boil down to receiving permission? For example, the Chargers didn't give the Browns permission earlier, but perhaps Marty changed his mind because he knows that there is a strong possibility that he will only be there for 1 more year and he wanted to give a young coach an opportunity to gain more secure employment?
And if that is the case, does that mean young Shottenheimer has almost zero chance of being available, because the Jets aren't going to be firing Mangini anytime soon?
I think Marty's kid is going to be a real big name shortly. If I'm understanding you correctly, he will have to become a head coach if he leaves???
Exactly, and I'm right there with you that he's gonna be a huge name in coaching soon. How he got the offensive mind he has from growing up with his dad is beyond me, it's the anti-Martyball.
I'm starting to believe the true formula for finding a head coach is to look for young coordinators who have risen fast, so they're nowhere near peaking. This is the one reason I'm not complaining about the Chud hiring and think it could actually work in our favor. Otherwise I wanted Knapp in here since he had the experience.
I find it refreshing that Romeo looked outside of the Parcells tree for an offense, since I think the Parcells O is somewhat out of date.
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I'm not saying that to bash Chud, just trying to figure out a little about him.
I am a little confused. Chud wasn't good enough to keep on board when RAC was hired. But, now - 2 years later he is? 
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Chud left when Rac came aboard..he was not sure what would happen to his job.
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What if (and I'm feeling a little like a conspiracy nut here) Chud was hired to be OC this year but to move into HC next season if the team as a whole flounders?
If the team flounders... again... I suspect they will blow it up... again.
Chud was here and purged with the last coaching change.
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Chud left when Rac came aboard..he was not sure what would happen to his job.
I understand that . However , what I don't quit have a grasp on ( nothing new ) is what did Chud do between - They ( Savage & RAC ) were not sure if they wanted him here as a TE. Coach & two short years later he is the anointed "OC" ???? Simple question .. Would like a little more knowledge please !
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Maybe I don't have a lot of inside knowledge but it just appeared that Rac wanted to bring his staff in ...or they had to get a TE coach because Chud decided to go...
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Ok, I can buy that .. But tell me about Chud and SD .. Two years at " Points R Us " as a TE, coach and he is ready for the big time , or at least the Browns .. Just trying to get a handle on this
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If the team flounders... again... I suspect they will blow it up... again.
Chud was here and purged with the last coaching change.
NO Merth, that is NOT what happened that last time.... Chud was here, Romeo was hired, but hadn't had a chance to sit down with Chud.. They talked on the phone for a few minutes, that was it... in the mean time, Chud got a call from SD to coach TE's and he interviewed, got the job and took the bird in hand rather than waiting to see of RAC would want him.
That's not being PURGED as you put it.. That's a bright young man taking care of himself...
If you want to check my facts, go listen to the Presser where RAC is introducing Chud as the New OC... He says it all right there,, Honestly, I wouldn't lie to you man, that's what happened
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Apparently what he brought to the table won over Rac and then Phil..
Now would I entrust my offense to a guy who hasn't done it on the pro-level if I'm trying to turn around my franchise?
I wanted or had hoped for a NFL EXPERIENCED OC..one who been through the wars and has a clear vision of what to do..
This first year will be another year of growing pains..and if he is as green as indicated , guess who'll be giving him INPUT?
The very person that they didn't want to have MUCH IMPUT on the offensive blue-print.
But objectively, what about Chud suggests he is the Pro from Dover whose ready to walk in with a certain plan and method to straighten out the undertalented clustered mess that is the Browns' O ?
I come into this thing with severe doubts, but he's ours now, so woof-woof Chud & all that.
To me, the key is whether Mister "Attacking Offense" will be allowed to do that by RAC, who views offense the way A.I. views practice..
We'll see how much he is actually allowed to "attack" once Charlie throws some picks and BrayBABY bobbles some balls in his hands into the D-back's hands.
If we still "attack" then we have what many of us thought we might - an independant voice on the O .
Since it is Chud in hist first time gig, I have doubts it won't be more of the same as we saw with J D .
And I could a bit harsh here..
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I wanted or had hoped for a NFL EXPERIENCED OC..one who been through the wars and has a clear vision of what to do..
Like who?
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Chud was here, Romeo was hired, but hadn't had a chance to sit down with Chud.. They talked on the phone for a few minutes, that was it... in the mean time, Chud got a call from SD to coach TE's and he interviewed, got the job and took the bird in hand rather than waiting to see of RAC would want him.
Ok.
It just feels like the movie Major League. When Tom Berringer arrives at spring training...
Asst. Coach:"Is that Jake Taylor?"
GM: "Yup."
Asst. Coach:"We could of used him 2 years ago."
GM: "We had him 2 years ago."
Asst. Coach:"4 years ago then."
Don't get me wrong. I hope this works out. I never disliked Chud.
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The 2 intriguing things I like about the hiring of Chud are the facts that he grew up a Browns fan and also coached Winslow at the U. He knows the kind of player he is and his capabilities. I know he tied a franchise record this year in receptions, but I still think he would have had a bigger season in a different offense. He wasn't used to his full potential IMO. I'm hoping Chud will help out in this area.
This reminds me of '04 when we drafted K2. The team said they basically had to throw out half the playbook when he went down for the count. Work your offense around Winslow, and I think big things will happen.
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who views offense the way A.I. views practice..
"Why did you think a giant bubble would stop them?"
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I wanted or had hoped for a NFL EXPERIENCED OC..one who been through the wars and has a clear vision of what to do..
Your not alone in having wanted a guy that was not here for OJT... But the guys that I wanted weren't gonna come here... Cam Cameron,,,that's a guy I'd love to have... but he got a HC job,,,,, Charlie Weize (sp) would be another but he has his dream job at ND.. No way could we have gotten Marty's kid away from the Jets.
The guy I really wanted was someone that I think the Browns would have loved to get,,, Bernie Kosar..... But he has his own problems to deal with and isn't available.
So where does that leave us?
Retreads,,,, Knapp maybe,,, Davidson, Rip Schere (sp),,,, who else.
The guys I want aren't available... So of all the guys that I haven't thought of or didn't know about, Chud is as good choice as any I suppose.,
I like what the kid says,,, let's see how he does on the job.
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Bernie..he's one I would have as a QB coach..nothing else.
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- I never stand on my head 
- I believe that means Aggressive. Consistantly aggressive - regardless if we are ahead or behind. Dictate to the Defenses rather than take what Defenses GIVE US...which basically means they dictate to us.
