Quote: Is Ferentz really that bad if we have a solid GM in place to pick the right players for him?
Ferentz under Pioli might be ok. I wouldn't second guess Pioli if that is who he wanted to bring in. First step is to get the GM position filled, which could happen today.
But ttim...Butch Davis sucked beyond belief...and yes, that fact does leave a bad taste in everyone mouth.
I'm beginning to think that Trestman, Schottenhiemer, Cunningham and some of that era are reaching too far back.
There is talent out there.
Pioli is a guy that is interesting, but it scares me that he came from a place that only the HC made big decisions.
McDaniels is interesting in that he's from the Offensive side of the ball.. He's young and seems very very aggressive so I like that on O. But No HC experience.. I know, I know, they gotta start somewhere. My guess is that Pioli would fit with this kid,,, not sure if McKay would.
Mangini,,, at first I wasn't too warm for this.. but upon further review.. I really believe he got a raw deal in NY.. I'm pretty convinced that with the right personnel guy, Mangini might be a good fit for us. Not sure Pioli fits with him... there may be some lingering problems left over from Spygate... McKay might be a good fit at GM with Mangini..
Shanahan... He's a heck of a coach, but two things happened that killed him in Denver.. 1. Elway retired .. he went from a 700+ winning percentage down to 500 something after Elway retired..
2. He took on the added duties of a GM.. or at least some of them.. I think that is a recipe for disaster..
Still, he deserves a look...JMO
Spagnoula (sp).. a solid head banger.. would probably bring the right attitude and he clearly has an understanding of Defense..
The rest: Gilbride (hey, why not?), Schwartz and Ryan.. Any of which could end up here depending on which GM we get.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
We're interviewing both Pioli and Mangini. Now why on God's green earth would Lerner have Mangini an interview scheduled unless Pioli would have an interest in Mangini?
I hear what the article said. But I also know who's coming in for the interview. And it's not Ferentz.
So when you connect the dots? I think the article is a reach and unfounded. It was known many years ago that Pioli liked Ferentz and I think this article is more based on history than current reality.
JMHO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think we need experience.....we tried the coord thing with Romeo, and for the most part aorund the league, it doesn't really work......unless you have a good GM pulling the strings.....Marty can do it all, you just find a GM that is willing to give him the control that he needs
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Quote: Pioli is a guy that is interesting, but it scares me that he came from a place that only the HC made big decisions.
Daman...thinking back 4 yrs ago, I believe Pioli's name was near the top of Lerner's list as GM at that time. I don't remember if Pioli said he wasn't interested or the Patriots would not give permission to talk to him, but he didn't even interview for our GM opening.
So Savage was hired and the rest is history. Anyone think Lerner wishes he would have hired Pioli instead of Savage?
Lerner gets another shot at hiring Pioli and given the fact that Lerner is once again going through the unpleasant process of hiring another new staff to run his franchise, I'm going to be shocked if Pioli gets away from Cleveland again.
What does that prove? It actually shows that I was sound in thinking I want a experienced NFL HC..not a new coordinator or college coach..you weren't closely follwing what I was saying..I want neither.
Quote: Wait, you don't want any college coaches, but you want to bring in a guy who's a head coach in the CFL?
Trestman is more than just a CFL coach, he has worked under and excelled under many of the best coaches of the era
He was OC and took the Raiders to the superbowl in 2001
Ask Rich Gannon what Trestman did for him..its no coincidence after Trestman left Gannon did not fare so well
He was OC in San FRan..in 1996 his first year there, they lead the NFL scoring 457 points.
He was OC here in Cleveland where Kosar had his carreer years and we were in the AFC Championship
it goes on and on
Shot, Trestman and Cunningham is the best choice for this team
You get experienceed smart football guys who are all famliar with one another that come from winning backgrounds and coahcing trees
Marty has won everywhere he has been, Marty things very highley of Trestman and Cunningham...im telling you this is the "best" route for this football team....
Quote: Daman...thinking back 4 yrs ago, I believe Pioli's name was near the top of Lerner's list as GM at that time. I don't remember if Pioli said he wasn't interested or the Patriots would not give permission to talk to him, but he didn't even interview for our GM opening.
Oh I sure do remember that Mac... Pioli was given permission to talk but declined 4 years ago.. Lerner went to his next choice.. Savage and got him.
That's the way I remember it anyway..
This time around, I get the same feeling you do.. It's going to be Pioli and either Mangini or McDaniels.. I'm leary of it all but at least with Mangini, we get a guy with 3 years of reasonable success.. Mangini is a guy that I totally belive got the shaft in NY... He really didn't do that bad of a job... in fact, I think he did a pretty good job.
Further, as Pit pointed out a few posts up,, no way does Lerner speak to Mangini if he has Pioli in his sights without some reasonable belief that they can work out together.
One lone exception.. Lerner could be covering his butt in case Pioli rejects his offer or accepts a differnt offer..
Lots of tasty options out there for these guys...
Denver, Detroit, St Louis, NY Jets and we still don't know what's going to happen in KC yet. With Shanahan on the market, could that cause Jerry Jones to dump Phillips and make a bid for Shanahan? And who will Shanahan want as assistents...
There are lots of options out there at the moment and I get the feeling there will be more soon.
So if I'm Lerner, I'm interviewing everyone I can as fast as I can.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: Yeah, I thought that the reason Pioli didn't come in for an interview last time was that the Pats didn't give him permission. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote: How many college coaches who came up to the NFL are now back on the college level?
How many coordinators that were promoted to HC are now coordinators again or coaching in college? I'll bet the list is equally long if not longer...
That could be because the list is bigger. The reason people dont like college coaches is because "How many college coaches HAVE made it successfully in recent years?"
Quote: This time around, I get the same feeling you do.. It's going to be Pioli and either Mangini or McDaniels.. I'm leary of it all but at least with Mangini, we get a guy with 3 years of reasonable success.. Mangini is a guy that I totally belive got the shaft in NY... He really didn't do that bad of a job... in fact, I think he did a pretty good job.
Daman...the media has been posting a lot of stuff that just isn't accurate. I don't see Lerner interviewing Mangini first unless some behind the scenes contacts are being made with Lerner's #1 GM candidate.
Honestly, I believe Lerner wants to hire his GM first, then allow that individual to do the job of hiring a HC.
I just don't believe Lerner is going to interview a coaching candidate without his GM setting beside him.
Quote: The more I think about Rich McKay as GM, the more I like the idea.
U sure???
John Clayton on was on Mike and Mike this morning and said Atlanta is entitled to compensation in the form of a first round draft pick should the Browns want to hire Rich McKay as general manager.
Quote: WOW,, I kinda liked the idea of McKay as well, but if we gotta give up a 1st round pick for him,,, that changes everything for me..
Not saying no, but I'm not liking that at all...
I'd like to see what he's basing that on. I could tell you that a belch from willie green would cost us a draft pick but it doesn't make it true. There are rules about poaching FO staff, but I thought it had to do with the folks with the final say in personel.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
Quote: Anyone else think it's pure luck that Pioli and Mangini are interviewing on the same day?
I don't.
If people think this is some kind of coinsidence, I believe they're fooling themselves. And I've been saying that ever since I heard it.
IMO- Pioli is already a done deal outside of ironing out the particulers. And Mangini was obviously talked about between him and Lerner. So Lerner is interviewing Mangini because Pioli wants him. Unlike wild reports and guesswork.
I can see.......
Pioli GM Mangini HC RAC DC McDaniels Asst. HC and OC
There's my dream team. And the fact both Pioli and Mangini are being interviewed on the same day is more than just pure luck. Nothing in business isn't calculated IMO
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
"I'm with ya on that EO but who do you have as a O cordinater."
Well its pretty much why I sad McDaniels and not Ferentz...Pioli's other buddy in those same dreams of building a winner here.
McDaniel can call the plays...he would need an OC to handle a lot of the practice and be more an assistant to him. Until McD could trust the Asst. to call the plays himself. If that man is Chud so be it. I'm sure he would have somebody in mind.
people don't interview HC jobs without a staff in mind.
JMHO
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Crennel is a bad call because it cuts Mangini's legs out from under him. It will create a power struggle in the eyes of the players, even if the coaches don't act that way. Plus, Romeo used to coach over Mangini, now Mangini coaches over Romeo. I really just don't like it. Romeo would be great for another team, but not ours.
And McDaniels, he's not coming to Cleveland for Pioli and a defensive Mangini. Mangini signed as D-Coordinator of the Pats over us when Romeo started coaching. McDaniels will stay in NE unless he gets a head coaching offer
Me personally, I don't want any of these guys. May be McKay and Shannahan, I want to go back to a 4-3 defense. it's easier to get the personel for it.
I think this is moving so rapidly and quite frankly it somewhat is, but just like you say there was a deal in place and I bet if the Patriots would have made the playoffs we all would be twiddling our thumbs making guesses with no real basis. Now I think the Mangini firing is a bonus and Lerner is wining and dining them. I have a feeling that Lerner has his checkbook and is going to try this route, after that I am not sure but once the GM and HC are set in place that will build the rest of the staff accordingly.
. Plus, Romeo used to coach over Mangini, now Mangini coaches over Romeo. I really just don't like it. Romeo would be great for another team, but not ours.
And McDaniels, he's not coming to Cleveland for Pioli and a defensive Mangini. Mangini signed as D-Coordinator of the Pats over us when Romeo started coaching. McDaniels will stay in NE unless he gets a head coaching offer
Coaches being under and over one another happens all the time. It might not be the best pay but its better job security.
Mangini stayed in NE because he was offered a DC job in NE. So he stays in NE over Cleveland at a lateral move (not a head scratcher on what most coaches would have done) or maybe Crennel offered him an assistant Defense coach?
Crennel shown interest in staying once he heard Mangini was getting an interview.
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