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Pioli GM
Mangini HC
RAC DC
McDaniels Asst. HC and OC




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I think this is more realistic
Pioli GM
Mangini DC
Crennel d-line or LB coach
Ferentz or McDaniel HC

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These two scenerios may be what you guys want to see.. but I doubt it will happen..

Here's why. no way will McDaniels leaves NE for anything less than a HC Job.. and Mangini is already being courted as a HC several places,, so he's gonna be a HC soon. He's not going to jump on a DC Position anywhere... He'd be stupid to do it.

So we should probably forget about the idea that Mangini and McDaniels will be on the same coaching staff anytime soon.

Ferentz.... hasn't he already said he's staying put?

Someone will want RAC as a DC... I have little doubt of it.

The most logical set ups I see are: ( in no particular order)

GM: Pioli
HC: McDaniels or Mangini
OC: ?
DC: RAC

Or

GM: McKay
HC: Spagnoula or Mangini or McDaniels or Schwartz
OC: ?
DC: RAC or ?

There is a blog out there that is saying that if the Chargers don't go deep into the playoffs, that Norv Turner could get canned... How about him for an OC candidate?

Thats not what I want to see, but I wouldnt be upset if it did.

I wouldnt mind Turner as an OC but thats it. That was talked about on here big time a few years ago.

agreed on mcdaniels not leaving for anything less than a hc job. in addition, i think people are overlooking how rac could even be a dc for us: if we hire mcdaniels, a young, inexperienced, offensive minded coach, rac cuts his work in half. provided mcdaniels trusts rac, which all indications point to, then mcdaniels can spend a little more time with the offense while rac can do what's best for our defense.

if we bring in a defensive-minded hc, rac's presence doesn't make his job any easier. rac will take up more of mangini's/spag's time finding out what they want to do with the defense and then executing that.

j/k

ANY WORD YET?

The meeting between Pioli and Lerner should be taking place now.

I hope we don't get a report that Pioli and Lerner thought the meeting went well but they did not reach an agreement yet.

I just read a headline from the old Bernies website that says they are working the phones trying to get the latest info.

I keep telling myself, patients...patients...

Who is the minority though?

... and staph patients. Or at least the frigging players are.

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if we bring in a defensive-minded hc, rac's presence doesn't make his job any easier. rac will take up more of mangini's/spag's time finding out what they want to do with the defense and then executing that.

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maybe with Spags,,, but certainly not Mangini... they are from the same defensive school of thought.. those two would be fine together.

But your point of bringing in McDaniels as HC and keeping RAC as the DC.. and that allowing McDaniels to be free to work more with the Offense... that's intriqueing. Hadn't really put it in those terms.... All of a sudden, I like that alot..

So, how's this look

GM: Pioli
HC: McDaniels
DC: RAC
OC: Still a qestion mark in my mind.. Could Chud remain and be tutored by Mcdaniels? Or would McDaniels want his own guy... probably the latter.

From Adam Schefter

Browns’ search for GM could end soon

Posted: December 31st, 2008 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Cleveland Browns, New England Patriots, Rich McKay, Scott Pioli

Cleveland’s search for a general manager is heating up and could be wrapped up as early as today.

Those within the league say the Browns would like an answer from the leading candidate, Scott Pioli, today. The Browns are meeting with Pioli in the New England area today. If Pioli takes the job, the Browns general manager search is over and the one for a new head coach will commence. If the Browns fail to lure Pioli to Cleveland, they then would turn to Falcons president Rich McKay, who is next on Cleveland’s wish list.

Many thought McKay would be on the Lions’ wish list to complete the triangle of power in Detroit with Tom Lewand and Martin Mayhew. But Cleveland is the team that has requested and received permission to interview McKay.

But the next move looks like it belongs to Pioli.

NFL.com

Well, we wouldn't get the experienced GM, so I hope we don't swing and miss on the HC.

Sounds like Lerner doing a good job so far.

Either one would be fine, but im pulling for Mckay.

Well...

NFL.com reports are pretty accurate, so this is good news.

he needs to work even that much harder im sure you all as well as i am tired of waiting haha

maybe tonight we find out if we got him or not

That would be a great way to start the New Year!

yeah i think it would be good for him to get them asap to show us paying fans that he actually wants to have a winning team. I just hate waiting its like "come on already" haha

Yes..for the HC job they have to interview a minority person first.

in theory could they use RAC as the minority since they already met about the HC job?

Are there even any capable canidates available........or do they just have to go and find one and interview them....Now that singletary is taken.....

what about tucker?

I don't think we get a pass even though we had a minority Head Coach prior:

From Wiki:

The Rooney Rule, established in 2003[1], requires National Football League teams to interview minority candidates for a head coaching opportunity. The rule is named for Dan Rooney, the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and the chairman of the league's diversity committee, and is often cited as an example of affirmative action.

Since the Rooney Rule was established, several NFL franchises have hired minority head coaches (including the Steelers themselves, who hired Mike Tomlin before their 2007 season). At the start of the 2006 season, the overall percentage of African American coaches had jumped to 22%, up from 6% prior to the Rooney Rule.[2] Even so, the policy is still debated and no team has stated whether the Rooney Rule contributed to the hiring of a minority.

The rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. [1] This was the case when Mike Martz took over as head coach of the St. Louis Rams before the 2000 season. Also, the rule does not apply if the assistant coach taking over the head position is a minority, as was the case with Mike Singletary and the San Francisco 49ers in late 2008.[3]

In 2003, the NFL fined the Detroit Lions $200,000 for failure to interview minority candidates for the team's vacant head coaching job. After Marty Mornhinweg was fired, the Lions immediately hired former San Francisco 49ers head coach Steve Mariucci to replace him without interviewing any other candidates. The Lions claimed they attempted to interview other candidates but that the minority candidates withdrew from interviews, believing Mariucci's hiring was inevitable.

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No they aren't going to use Rac..anyone could see right through that..they just FIRED the guy.

scoe5319 ..I don't know what minority guys they have lined up..in a way I don't like the rule in situations like this..unless the guy really is of interest..what good is it..
For me, I've felt that token interview before and it doesn't sit well with me.

i know we should but in all seriousness, is $200k going to get in lerner's way to make sure he gets the guys he wants asap? it seems pretty insignificant, especially given we just hired a minority head coach. you'd think the rooney rule has some provision for that.

i doubt learner would mind paying that....its chump change to him....

Do you really think before you post?
There ought to be a rule against that...$200 fine for you

Pioli GM
Mangini HC
RAC DC
McDaniels Asst. HC and OC

The idea Mangini as HC and RAC coming back as DC makes me very ill .. Just had to honest with ya Pit ...

what do you mean? i'm saying $200k to a billionaire is not a huge reason for an owner to follow the rooney rule. also, given we JUST came off a minority head coach, we should be allowed to hurry through our process to just get pioli and which ever hc they want so they waste as little time as possible. it saves the minority candidate's time too.

$200 fine for your reading comprehension.

its alot of cash to someone like us....but to learner its nothing

lerners not gonna ... away 200,000....

he would simply give his word.....go interview a minority coach, and then hire who he wants....

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It's doesn't. But everyone is hoping something happens today, but how can it without the minority interview?

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Yeah, we are hoping something happens with the GM position today.. I think we all know that a minority HC candidate needs to be interviewed before a decision is announced on a new HC.

I was wondering, since we just fired a minority, and he's the second minority person to hold the title of HC for the Browns (terry robiskie), wouldn't that pretty much demonstrate that we are not racist in our hiring practices? Does history not count?

Just wondering.

true but like i said, our team just came off of a minority coach. you'd think that means something . hopefully we won't be dealing with the rooney rule if/when the penalty becomes taken away draft picks.

that said, why haven't we heard anything yet about pioli????

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that said, why haven't we heard anything yet about pioli????

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Because he just walked out to go to the restroom and get a Diet Coke... now hush I can't hear through this glass I have against the wall.

Pioli might be insisting on his boy Ferentz,....Kirkie needs to stay at Iowa,....