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Bernie..he's one I would have as a QB coach..nothing else.

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Maybe as his first coaching job, but there hasn't been a Player or coach in Cleveland that has any better grasp of reading defenses and knowing what to do in various situations... When you break it down, isn't that was an OC does? Who better than a Kosar...

I remember last summer during the preseason games, Bernie was part of the Broadcast team.. I mean this guy was disecting the Defenses,he knew what they were going to do when they lined up.. Isn't that something you want an OC to be able to do? SO yeah, I'd love to have him be our OC... I really would.

Daman, you're right, he was....but he was also calling for a pass play every play in those broadcasts as well.

Thats why I wouldn't want him as a OC..but as a QB coach..brilliant mind.

So, you guys are upset that someone with LIMITED experience got the job over someone with NO experience?

Who might that be?

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They ( Savage & RAC ) were not sure if they wanted him here as a TE. Coach & two short years later he is the anointed "OC" ???? Simple question .. Would like a little more knowledge please !

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The way I understood RAC in Chud's press conference is that when RAC was hired he spoke with Chud on the phone briefly. He told him that since he was just hired he was not ready to make a decision on him. He told him to do what is best for himself as an individual.

Remember, RAC came in here late. Many coaching positions had already been filled. Time was running short to get a coaching gig. If RAC had taken some time to come to a decision on Chud, and decided to go another direction, opportunities may have dried up by then.

If RAC wasn't spinning the truth, what he did was fair to Chud, not making him sit in limbo while he, RAC, made up his mind on a TE coach.

It sounds plausible. If RAC hadn't yet had the time to evaluate Chud, he really couldn't come to a decision.

Anyway, that's how I understood what RAC said about it.

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Daman, you're right, he was....but he was also calling for a pass play every play in those broadcasts as well.

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Exactly what's your problem with that ?

Really Coach,,, I understand that and I think Bernie is smart enough to not actually do that in a real game.,,,, I give him a bit more credit than that.

I think Merth thinks you were talking about Chud as only a QB coach,, I don't think he got it that we were dicussing Kosar.... Come on Merth,,,, Catch up here will ya

I do too, Damon, but had to post that as a bit of a joke.

Having said that, I don't see Chud as someone with zero experience. He did a really good job at Miami. Yes, it's college, but it's still experience.

Soooo confused... not feeling well.

I thought someone was pimping Kosar for OC and at the same time saying they don't like Chud because he is not "established".

Too tired to wade through.

I think you're looking at two seperate "groups".

I'm in the "not established" group.

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---It kills me that Bernie's name always comes up. If he was such a viable candidate, why hasn't he coached anywhere? And Coach, I don't know how much of a joke it is...........Bernie would pass too much.

---This attacking style offense that Chud is going to run.............How do we do that w/an inexperienced qb, two receivers who don't run the correct routes, and an offensive line that can't afford them time?

I am with you on Bernie Verse... LOVE the guy for what he did for us... What gets me is people that expect him to pick up a clipboard after being out of the NFL for over a decade... The game has evolved quite a bit since he was around..

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---This attacking style offense that Chud is going to run.............How do we do that w/an inexperienced qb, two receivers who don't run the correct routes, and an offensive line that can't afford them time?

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And I would like to add a slow, aging back to that list with a backup that has ZERO ability to pass protect...

IMHO, us advancing from an Offensive ranking of 31st leaves us no where to go other than up... Higher than 25th in the league would be an abaration given the holes on this team but you will see people around here proclaiming it once pre-season rolls around..

Sometimes I wonder if Chud was the only guy willing to take the job given the fact that RAC's butt is burning from how hot his seat is.

Unfortunately...We have a winner, IMO you hit the nail on the nail on the head.

Ok, 44, now you do know that Kosar was a 4.0 in college? This means he is a smart guy. So I think he could be an OC IF he really wanted to be! Now it may be that he didn't really want to be an OC or it may be that other teams just didn't know about Kosar's smarts!

Also could be that Bernie didn't want to start out as QB coach and work his way up to OC. I don't know but I do think Kosar has the brains to be an OC. Plus, I don't think he would go with all pass plays. I'm sure he, as a former QB, knows the importance of a running game.

Tack, I think you jumped the gun on this one. Knapp interviewed for the job, now maybe Phil and RAC didn't want to go with the WCO, but I'm sure Knapp would have taken the job.

Harsh yeah. Agreed. But the scheme sometimes makes plays. We just need a let em flap streak to our O and our D. I think we have been handcuffed by our sidelines (coaches) and Lerner has enough sesnse to want a hard game of pressure and domination. We need folx to do that, but first we need the will of the tophats to insist that the sidelines bring the game to the field that we are proud to play. Hey, it might even sell tickets! don't laugh! It could happen . . . .
Use the Force, Phil! And may the Elf be with you! Go Browns!

If the coach is still under contract, then Yes; it would have all boiled down to receiving permission from his current team.

What the reasons for giving permission were (if it was even required... I still have no idea if Chud was still under contract), aside from having the decency to let a young up-n-comer have a shot at stepping up, I don't know and what that means as far as Marty, Jr I have no idea except that if he is under contract then he is going absolutely nowhere unless/until his current team permits it or his contract expires.... anything beyond that would be trying to read into things far beyond what I know of things and frankly there just isn't enough information to form any kind of concrete idea on.

I don't know where you guys get the idea that Bernie would want to coach. He has always said he doesn't want to leave Florida. And I can't imagine he'd want to coach here. He wants to own the Browns, not coach them.

Harsh yeah. Agreed. But the scheme sometimes makes plays
I was saying my thinking about Chud not being a experienced NFL OC might be harsh..not the scheme.

The premise was that the Browns wanted a OC who had the vision and character to give the Browns putid offense a identity..and to implement more discipline and control outside/instead of Rac.
While Frye/KW are doing headflips Brababy might not be..and yet those two mouths are the ones who need the most discipline..plus I heard some of the linemen weren't putting in all the effort in their practices also..
If U don't want Rac having any imput on the O..then U really need a guy WHOS WHAT THE HECK he's doing correct?
If you this guy to also have control over the inmates then you want a guy with a strong personality/strong hand-or foot(depends where U need to plant either one ) so is Chud a guy who can do that?
I don't know the answer to that.

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Sometimes I wonder if Chud was the only guy willing to take the job given the fact that RAC's butt is burning from how hot his seat is.

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The only places you can use to determine if RAC's butt is on a hot seat are on these boards and other boards, the media and what's in your belief system.

Otherwise, the Browns have done nothing but show support for RAC. At least outwardly. You haven't heard or seen any outward lack of confidence in RAC from anyone inside the Browns Organization...

Does this mean he's not on the hotseat,,, No, it doesn't! He, along with many other coaches are on the hotseat.. Look at Marty S in SD... The guy is one of the winningest coaches in the NFL all time... but he can't seem to get his team into the big game... Too the brink,,,yup,,, the big game,, No! So he's perpetually on the hotseat.

Until this past Sunday, Tony Dungy was thought of as an outstanding coach,,yet, he could never get his team to the SB either... Ok, that's out of the way, they are going in a few weeks.. Now he has to win or the talk will start all over again.

RAC and Savage were handed a MESS here in Cleveland. Tons of problems.. They warned anyone within earshot that this wasn't going to be easy and that it would take time to get the players in place to get the job done...

So here we are at the end of two years, and RAC is on the hot seat? Not fair,,,, not fair at all...

We gotta give this guy more time.. It's that simple!

Some fans today (not all) are of a new generation... I call it the Playstation generation.. you know,,, on playstation, you can change everything around. You can fire coaches, dump players, make the most impossible trades etc etc... Heck, I understand on some games (i'm showing my age here) you can actually pick teams from the past and play them against teams of today.. (why you would do that and tell anyone is beyond me but hey, to each his/her own)

These games give a rather unrealistic view of the game,, I think I could say the same for Fantasy Football.. Just a note here, they don't call it fantasy for nothing ya know

dawglover, I'm sorry if it feels as if I'm picking on you,,, I really don't mean to do that. So for that, I'm sorry,,,Very sorry.

Otherwise, the Browns have done nothing but show support for RAC. At least outwardly
He's still on the hotseat and the perception he's a lame duck coach are valid..
Fact is he made a error in making Mo (another quasi-OC) who was handcuffed before he came here..meaning he wasn't allowed to take over the offense..now we know why..
Now since all the suff blew up regarding him and the other assistants, Opie no doubt went to bat for Rac and has helped give him another year.
But if the Browns perform anything like they have , he's gone..

One other thing about savage that hasn't been mentioned. Being a GM and talking to those guys, he probably had a pretty good idea several coaching changes were on the horizon. The competition for available coaches is pretty steep right now. He may not have wanted to get into that position right now knowing we might have to settle for second fiddle.

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He's still on the hotseat and the perception he's a lame duck coach are valid..

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Perception it may be,,, Fact, it may not... I suppose that in this case, yeah, he is on the hotseat.

But that still doesn't make it fair for him to be considered Lame Duck. He still has the job,,, I doubt that any organization would keep him if they didn't want to.

Course it's not fair..he has NO TALENT to really work with..but with the team struggling and the crap going on the perception of the media and fans is to blame him first.
If the assistants were screwing up, then yeah they need to go..but utilmately people say RAC HIRED 'EM..he needs to go with 'em..
Well Opie did what he needed to..he consulted with Rac, they are gone..
Phil doesn't want any coach acting unprofessionally on the sidelines, nor have them fighting, having power struggles amongst themselves..
Thats plain stupid if U allow that kind of crap to go on.

I agree....lame duck is usually a reference to sombody who is on the way out....we don't know that for sure about Romeo....but it is fair to say the chair he occupies is indeed very hot.

VERS...

how can we run an attack O with all those disabilities?...

no worse than we ran a conservative one with the same guys...

Not really worth its own thread....but interesting to see that Dallas has received permission to interview Jason Garrett, even without a Head Coach.

Garrett interviews for coordinator’s job with Cowboys
By CLARENCE E. HILL JR.
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

IRVING - Former Cowboys backup quarterback Jason Garrett is being interviewed for the offensive coordinator’s position with the team.

According to sources, Garrett, who is the Miami Dolphins quarterbacks coach, was flown in from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., Wednesday morning and is meeting with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

Jones says he has long admired Garrett’s work and knowledge of the game. He played quarterback for the Cowboys from 1993 to 1999. His father Jim was also a longtime scout for the Cowboys.

If Garrett gets the offensive coordinator job, the speculation is the Cowboys are pointing toward San Francisco offensive coordinator Norv Turner or San Diego defensive coordinator Wade Phillips as head coach.

The Cowboys interviewed three in-house candidates for the head coaching job Tuesday. They were offensive line coach Tony Sparano, receivers coach Todd Haley and defensive backs coach Todd Bowles. All three are considered long shots for the job.

Garrett, who was hired as the Dolphins quarterbacks coach on Feb. 2, 2005, spent the first seven years of his playing career with the Cowboys where he started nine of the 23 games in which he played.

He was part of two Super Bowl Championship teams as a backup to Troy Aikman. Garrett also served as the primary backup to Kerry Collins during the New York Giants’ run to the Super Bowl in 2000 and played the entire fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game that season. He also spent the next three seasons with the Giants.

He concluded his career by splitting the 2004 season with Tampa Bay and Miami. Overall, in 12 seasons, Garrett started nine of 40 regular season games in which he played and completed 165 of 294 passes for 2,042 yards with 11 touchdowns and five interceptions.

Garrett entered the league as an undrafted rookie free agent in 1989 with the New Orleans’ developmental squad before being released prior to the 1990 season. In 1991, he played in the World League and Canadian Football League before joining the Cowboys’ practice squad in 1992.

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but he was also calling for a pass play every play in those broadcasts as well.

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yeah, but they were also stacking the box, and he would have changed the play to the single covered guy....

don't know about you but kosar to slaughter always looked sweet to me...

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Course it's not fair..he has NO TALENT to really work with..but with the team struggling and the crap going on the perception of the media and fans is to blame him first.

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Could not have put it better,,, No talent yet some insist on blaming RAC..

Oh well, and so it goes... Sooner or later, the media and fans will figure out that if the team has talent and the coach can't put it together to win, then yeah, the coach has got to go,,

But a team void of talent,,,, no way you fire the coach,,, you keep him and get him the talent he needs to win.. Simple really..

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I agree....lame duck is usually a reference to sombody who is on the way out....we don't know that for sure about Romeo....but it is fair to say the chair he occupies is indeed very hot.

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I'd say his seat is rather hot right now... Yeah,,, I think it's hot alright. Was it RAC that said that coaches are hired to be fired... or something like that. The man knows whats up I would think.

Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that the important thing to remember is that if Randy and Savage didn't fire him, then they still believe.. at least for the moment.. No way they keep him otherwise. That would be rather stupid of them to keep a guy they don't believe can turn the thing around..... Really, that's bad business.

The smart thing to do in that instance is to make the change and get going down a new path.... But they didn't,,,, so I think they still believe.. JMO however.

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He's still on the hotseat and the perception he's a lame duck coach are valid..

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"lame duck" means his departure is certain... as in a politician who has been voted out but retains the office until the replacement is sworn in... RAC isn't a lame duck. He most certainly is on the hotseat though....

The fans, those who remain optimistic, are tired of hearing about potential and want to start seeing results.... I doubt Phil has a number of wins in mind that RAC has to achieve but I'm sure he expects to see more inspired and competitive play next year.

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The fans, those who remain optimistic, are tired of hearing about potential and want to start seeing results

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I think I'm one of those type of fans,,, I try to be realistic, but, alas, I am merely a fan (short for FANatic)

On a serious note, Phil needs to provide RAC with more talent.. I really do believe that with that extra talent, RAC can make it work..

A little luck in the injury department wouldn't hurt either I suppose!

I'm in that boat as well, but I think it's going to be two more drafts ((this and then '08) provided they both go well) before we're fully "healed" from the damage that the '99-'04 drafts did to us.

I expect that with fewer injuries we should be competitive this coming year and I would expect nothing short of playoffs next year. I would consider playoffs in '07 to be ahead of schedule.

Playoffs in '07 is optimistic, especially given the division we're in... if we were in the NFC North... well..

What we need is to get off to a fast start and build some confidence... of course I said that last year..