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Dude, we know you love DA. That doesn't make Quinn a turd........ 
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Dude, we know you love DA. That doesn't make Quinn a turd........
No but you feeling the need to post this makes you one! 
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I wonder what these guys are going to do when DA get's shipped out of here in March...lol.
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I wonder what these guys are going to do when DA get's shipped out of here in March...lol.
Still root for the BROWNS...I wonder who's team some of you guys will root for when Quinn is gone. I guess it would depend on where he goes.LOL How do you look in silver and blue?
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So you are mistating timing as a "weak" arm. OK, I understand now. Guess what, it takes more than 2 1/2 games for the game to slow down for ANY QB.
You've yet to see BQ split defenders on a 20 yard pass in 2 1/2 games and that makes you doubt him, yet we've watched DA not be able to throw a simple pass less than 20 yards with better than a 40% completion rating for 2 seasons and you want to keep im? Stil scratching my head on that one.
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I could care less who the QB is..lol. That's why I can look at a situation with logic and not put my AGENDA on the subject, and come to logical conclusions based on the two.....Quinn will be the starter next year unless we get wowed with a trade offer (aka multiple picks)...........DA will be gone, because he's due a huge roster bonus, and didn't distinguish himself from Quinn or improve upon his weaknesses in the half season he had the opportunity.
I know that sucks for you agenda guys, but Quinn will be the starter next year, and DA will be playing elsewhere.......sorry..lol.
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You've yet to see BQ split defenders on a 20 yard pass in 2 1/2 games and that makes you doubt him, yet we've watched DA not be able to throw a simple pass less than 20 yards with better than a 40% completion rating for 2 seasons and you want to keep im?
You can fabricate any percentage you want to. Here coach it's easy. Quinn completed 40 % of all of his passes.
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[Still root for the BROWNS...I wonder who's team some of you guys will root for when Quinn is gone. I guess it would depend on where he goes.LOL How do you look in silver and blue?
That is one of the dumbest posts I have ever read. We have all been Browns fans for long before Brady came here and will be for long after he is gone.Some of us think that Brady can be a good QB,some of us dont.
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Fabricate? I posted DA's percentages on situations on here a few pages ago. Again, you are going to compare TWO AND A HALF GAMES to TWO SEASONS? 
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I could care less who the QB is..lol. That's why I can look at a situation with logic and not put my AGENDA on the subject, and come to logical conclusions based on the two.....Quinn will be the starter next year unless we get wowed with a trade offer (aka multiple picks)...........DA will be gone, because he's due a huge roster bonus, and didn't distinguish himself from Quinn or improve upon his weaknesses in the half season he had the opportunity.
I know that sucks for you agenda guys, but Quinn will be the starter next year, and DA will be playing elsewhere.......sorry..lol.
OK Big Willie, if you say it...it must be true. Can I get the mega #'s while you are still telling the future. Or is that not on your agenda. It's common sense guys...The best QB should play..and Anderson just happens to be the better QB. I can't stop reality for those who can't accept it. Sorry.
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Thanks king, but I'm honestly having fun toying with these guys..lol.
The funny thing is I want whoever is going to give us the best chance to win to play QB. However, when the owner trots a guy out after the whole FO get's fired it's pretty safe bet that he's going to be here. Furthermore, when the guy who lost his job to said QB is due a big roster bonus it's safe to bet he's not going to be here. It really isn't rocket science if you don't have agenda based blinders on...lol.
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Man I admire your patience to have try and have intelligent football conversation with these guys....lol.
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I want whoever is going to give us the best chance to win to play QB.
That is what my original trade idea was about...giving the Browns the best chance to win. This wasn't supposed to be a DA vs BQ debate, but I guess when trading BQ is brought up it is inevitable.
What I said was that if we can get a first round pick for BQ, and can draft a player like Maualuga, Cushing, or Spikes with it then we have to do it. If we sign T. Suggs, draft Curry at 5, and then can get an LB like Maualuga, Cushing or Spikes then we end up having possibly the best linebacking core in the NFL, and that gives us a better chance to win then just having Brady at QB instead of Anderson.
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That is what my original trade idea was about...giving the Browns the best chance to win. This wasn't supposed to be a DA vs BQ debate, but I guess when trading BQ is brought up it is inevitable.
What I said was that if we can get a first round pick for BQ, and can draft a player like Maualuga, Cushing, or Spikes with it then we have to do it. If we sign T. Suggs, draft Curry at 5, and then can get an LB like Maualuga, Cushing or Spikes then we end up having possibly the best linebacking core in the NFL, and that gives us a better chance to win then just having Brady at QB instead of Anderson.
Which is what my original post was until the insults started flying. I want the better QB here, thus trade Quinn to help the team. If Quinn was the better QB, I would say trade Anderson..That just is not the case.
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Man I admire your patience to have try and have intelligent football conversation with these guys....lol.
Thanks, it is hard but with perseverence and common sense we can help many. LOL
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Can you give me the winning lottery numbers for the next drawing since you can predict the future?
Look, it's perfectly clear that after two and a half games (with a bum finger, no less), nobody -- not me, not you, and not even the Browns -- can say Anderson is a better QB than Quinn or Quinn better than Anderson.
Give it a rest. We know who you like...now let's see who can play the most consistent ball.
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lol...or at least his agent.
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Man I admire your patience to have try and have intelligent football conversation with these guys....lol.
Thanks, it is hard but with perseverence and common sense we can help many. LOL
Dude, he wasn't talking to you. 
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Look, it's perfectly clear that after two and a half games (with a bum finger, no less), nobody -- not me, not you, and not even the Browns -- can say Anderson is a better QB than Quinn or Quinn better than Anderson.
Give it a rest. We know who you like...now let's see who can play the most consistent ball.
Wait, this is a football message board..right? A place where people interact and discuss football right? So when someone asks a question or makes a statement...does that mean I should reply, or is it just if we agree? It is not about liking someone...you people this is not High school. I want the Browns to win, and I think he is the better QB. Plain and simple...when people continue to debate me, I reply. Sorry, maybe I misunderstand what the Browns Message board is for, but I thought that was it.
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Thanks, it is hard but with perseverence and common sense we can help many. LOL
Dude, he wasn't talking to you.
But I sure did role with it...didn't I? You can't be that dry can you? It was a joke. LOL
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Yes, this is a message board. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even when they're wrong, like you......  Seriously, a little less 'tude would go a long way toward you not having to spar with everyone that passes by. And again I say, if they were trotting out DA and Joe Thomas to answer questions your DA-love might be worth the effort. But it's Quinn and Thomas that are the faces of the franchise. That and the $5 million dollar bonus due to Anderson tell most logical people who will be here next year and who won't.
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Thanks, it is hard but with perseverence and common sense we can help many. LOL
Dude, he wasn't talking to you.
But I sure did role with it...didn't I? You can't be that dry can you? It was a joke. LOL
Well since you are a noob, let m give you a couple hints on how things tend to work around here.
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The second tip I already said to you . Questioning peoples(especially anyone with over say, a thousand posts) loyalty to the Browns is a  see how those graemlins work??
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Why does it have to be like that? If you think Jerome should get more carries does that make you Jerome? If you think Holly should start instead of McDonald does that make you Holly? Well does that mean some of you are Quinn? I could understand if there was no basis for an argument...like some we know. I could care less if it was Dilfer...or Holcomb or anyone. I go by what I see, and the situation. I would never hand the team over to an unproven kid that didn't grade out too well or look too good, and get rid of a QB that has youth, experience, and proven himself to be able to move an offense, put up points, make all the throws and make it to the Pro-Bowl in his first year as starter. It just flat out doesn't make sense. If anything, supporting not trading Quinn to help this team, would be a little more illogical.
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Well DA did prove himself over a seaon and a half. He proved himself to be terrible.
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What did DA prove in the second half of 2007, and into 2008? I'll tell you what he proved...
That no one had any film on him the first part of 2007. No teams thought he even had a shot at seeing the field. Most teams thought that even if Charlie Frye went down, then they'd see BQ.
So what happened from the first 8 games or so of DA's "starting experience", to his last 8 of 2007, and into 2008? I'll tell you what... Teams finally knew how to gameplan for him.
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Why does it have to be like that? If you think Jerome should get more carries does that make you Jerome? If you think Holly should start instead of McDonald does that make you Holly? Well does that mean some of you are Quinn? I could understand if there was no basis for an argument...like some we know. I could care less if it was Dilfer...or Holcomb or anyone. I go by what I see, and the situation. I would never hand the team over to an unproven kid that didn't grade out too well or look too good, and get rid of a QB that has youth, experience, and proven himself to be able to move an offense, put up points, make all the throws and make it to the Pro-Bowl in his first year as starter. It just flat out doesn't make sense. If anything, supporting not trading Quinn to help this team, would be a little more illogical.
When said QB can't perform against a defense that takes away the deep ball, you see why people support Quinn.
When said QB can't hit the broadside of a barn on short passes, you see why Quinn is supported.
I thought Anderson looked to be much improved in the preseason but once the games started he returned to his old self. I think I've seen enough.
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Yeah, seriously...lets quit the debating and answer the original question...if you could get a first rounder for Quinn to draft either Maualuga, Cushing, or Spikes along with Curry would you do it?
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No. Then we don't have a QB.
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Exactly how did you see that? One touchdown drive against the Jets? Because I know you didn't see it against the Giants. And he didn't play the other 2.
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Lol, he only played in one game before he was knocked out with a concussion for the rest of the preseason, right there is where the season went bad.
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Unbelievable.
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Do you think loyal is a troll or someone who REALLY enjoys arguing? There is a differance between debating and arguing. Oh, and if your trying loyal, your not going to change anybodys mind.
Message boards are more for football discussion (ideas and opinions) rather then debating. Especially when any scenerio is out of our (the fans) hands.
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Exactly how did you see that? One touchdown drive against the Jets? Because I know you didn't see it against the Giants. And he didn't play the other 2.
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He was throwing well on the run and on short passes.
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No. Then we don't have a QB.
Unbelievable.
Well, you may feel comfortable with DA at the helm, but I've seen him play and don't. If you can guarantee we draft/pick up a better QB than DA, sure, trade BQ.
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The second tip I already said to you . Questioning peoples(especially anyone with over say, a thousand posts) loyalty to the Browns is a see how those graemlins work??
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Do you think loyal is a troll or someone who REALLY enjoys arguing? There is a differance between debating and arguing. Oh, and if your trying loyal, your not going to change anybodys mind.
Message boards are more for football discussion (ideas and opinions) rather then debating. Especially when any scenerio is out of our (the fans) hands.
Yeah, I'm a troll! I am pretty sure more than a few people on here know who I am. If you would please go back and read my posts and when they might have started changing tones, it might help you understand. Who's arguing? WOULDN"T THIS BE ARGUING?  Is this reply any different than yours? Are we arguing? Or is it only arguing when you don't agree with someone? Are people arguing with me, when they reply?
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Unbelievable.
So when is DA supposed to turn into the franchise QB? He hasn't been the same QB since the Steelers game last year, when the book was written on DA.
DA hasn't adjusted. I know some people may like him, fall in love with his arm, but if you think DA can pick apart a defense, then I question if we have been watching the same game.
And drop passes are only part of the story. For every dropped pass DA has had, there has been an equally bad throw last year that Winslow or Edwards laid out for it and made an incredible catch. DA's stats are what they are...stellar 1st half of 2007 which got him as a Pro Bowl alternate and not much since.
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