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Yes, this is a message board. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even when they're wrong, like you...... 
Seriously, a little less 'tude would go a long way toward you not having to spar with everyone that passes by.
And again I say, if they were trotting out DA and Joe Thomas to answer questions your DA-love might be worth the effort. But it's Quinn and Thomas that are the faces of the franchise. That and the $5 million dollar bonus due to Anderson tell most logical people who will be here next year and who won't.
Just so everyone knows, I am not arguing...O.K.  Why did they give DA a Three year contract again...even after Quinns rookie year? So they had Quinn on the roster and they Shelled out millions for a Pro-Bowl QB? That just doesn't make sense.  They would have trotted any healthy QB out there they could....Quinn is the only one not currently laid up in a hospital bed.
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[ I would never hand the team over to an unproven
Well DA did prove himself over a seaon and a half. He proved himself to be terrible.
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Now the important question.  What has Quinn proven in two years? 
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Why did they sign him to a 3 year contract?
I don't know.
Why does most of the money come in the last year of that contract?
That I do know. And, thats because we weren't sold on DA being the answer.
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Well DA did prove himself over a seaon and a half. He proved himself to be terrible.
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Now the important question. What has Quinn proven in two years?
That he can be a very good QB, but it was only two and a half starts.
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Why did they sign him to a 3 year contract?
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Why does most of the money come in the last year of that contract?
That I do know. And, thats because we weren't sold on DA being the answer.
They signed him to a 3 year contract with most of the money on the back end because they didn't have plans of keeping him for three years and if they cut him the remaining money would't hit the cap. Had they paid him up front the money would be factored into the cap figure.
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Well, we sure as hell can't be sure that BQ is the answer after what we have seen of him, at least with Anderson we have this and this
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Why did they sign him to a 3 year contract?
I don't know.
Why does most of the money come in the last year of that contract?
That I do know. And, thats because we weren't sold on DA being the answer.
When does most of Quinns money come in his contract? Yes the last year....does that mean they are not sold on Quinn too?
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Well, we sure as hell can't be sure that BQ is the answer after what we have seen of him
No we can't, but we've only seen two and a half games -- and, IIRC, two of those were with an injury.
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Sorry, my friend, they brought out Brady as a statement. We've discussed this.
DA was signed to that contract because Savage felt the same way about him as you do. Why he did it made no sense then and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense now.
You may have noticed Savage is gone now. Derek will be gone within 6 months. Probably within 3 months. He's a poor man's Tim Couch. He'll be a good spot starter and backup for the rest of his career. It just won't be here.
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Who's arguing? WOULDN"T THIS BE ARGUING?  Is this reply any different than yours? Are we arguing? Or is it only arguing when you don't agree with someone? Are people arguing with me, when they reply?
Usually, when someone always feels the need to have the last word, I see that more as arguing then debating. That was my impression from reading your post for the first time. It definately stood out as childish. When I read your post I picture my old neighbor who would get hopped up and argue and argue, everything and anything.
Yes your reply is differant. I was making a statement based off of observation. You questioning EVERYBODY who has a differant opinion looks more like arguing.
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Well, we sure as hell can't be sure that BQ is the answer after what we have seen of him, at least with Anderson we have this and this
You also have such greatness like This game or like This game.
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This is Quinns contract...8/7/2007: Signed a five-year, $9.25 million contract. The deal contains $7.75 million guaranteed, including a $4.3 million roster bonus in the second year. Another $11 million is available though escalators in 2010 and 2011 based on Quinn taking at least 55% of the snaps in each of the first two years or at least 70% in his third season. Another $9.8 million is available, but is unlikely to be earned. 2008: $370,000, 2009: $655,000, 2010-2011: $700,000, 2011: Free Agent
This is Andersons...2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus due in March), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent
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That he can be a very good QB, but it was only two and a half starts.
So you know from two and a half starts that he can be a very good QB? I was just curious which game I should go watch? I know he was reluctantly put in there and quickly yanked. It was a desperation move by Romeo that culminated in the reality of those who had questions...including and especially the coaching staff. It was a prayer, but unlike last years prayer with Anderson...It went unanswered.
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That he can be a very good QB, but it was only two and a half starts.
So you know from two and a half starts that he can be a very good QB? I was just curious which game I should go watch? I know he was reluctantly put in there and quickly yanked. It was a desperation move by Romeo that culminated in the reality of those who had questions...including and especially the coaching staff. It was a prayer, but unlike last years prayer with Anderson...It went unanswered.
I guess I'm just supposed to not remember the Broncos game?
Don't forget, Brady played with a fractured finger during both Bills and Texans game, one that took him out for the rest of the season. Even still, he put us in a position to win two of those games because he didn't make the big mistake, unlike Derek Anderson.
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The only reason he doesn't make big mistakes is because he doesn't take chances for big plays...if you are content with 3 yard passes every play then I guess Brady is your guy though...
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I'll take 3-5 yards every play. That's a first down, every set of downs. I'd rather take 8 min to move the ball down the field, and score, than DA throw 2 INT's, which turn into 14 points for the other team, in the same 8 min.
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The only reason he doesn't make big mistakes is because he doesn't take chances for big plays...if you are content with 3 yard passes every play then I guess Brady is your guy though...
Better than watching you QB ... the possession away with an interception.
It's time to get a real offense in Cleveland, not this offense that relies upon big plays. Get a ball possession offense.
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The only reason he doesn't make big mistakes is because he doesn't take chances for big plays...if you are content with 3 yard passes every play then I guess Brady is your guy though...
How many times does it have to be said ... those were the plays that were called for him. The only plays called for Quinn were the safe ones.
Are you purposely just ignoring that fact?
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I'll take 3-5 yards every play. That's a first down, every set of downs. I'd rather take 8 min to move the ball down the field, and score, than DA throw 2 INT's, which turn into 14 points for the other team, in the same 8 min.
So you are all for bringing Frye back?  That only works for so long..and last I remember Quinn had 2 int. in 2.5 games and 2 TD in 2.5 games. Does that mean he will have 16 TD and 16 int's? Did Quinns 2 int's not result in points the other way? What is the point here?
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The only reason he doesn't make big mistakes is because he doesn't take chances for big plays...if you are content with 3 yard passes every play then I guess Brady is your guy though...
How many times does it have to be said ... those were the plays that were called for him. The only plays called for Quinn were the safe ones.
Are you purposely just ignoring that fact?
Now why would that be? Two years in the offense, I don't seem to recall Chud using that same approach last year with Derek.
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The only reason he doesn't make big mistakes is because he doesn't take chances for big plays...if you are content with 3 yard passes every play then I guess Brady is your guy though...
How many times does it have to be said ... those were the plays that were called for him. The only plays called for Quinn were the safe ones.
Are you purposely just ignoring that fact?
How do you know that those were the only plays called for him? Couldn't it be a possibilty that he was missing open receivers down the field, or didn't have the confidence to make the throw? When BQ did throw deep the ball was either under thrown or off target. I doubt that check downs were 50 percent of the passing plays called for him...
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I'll take 3-5 yards every play. That's a first down, every set of downs. I'd rather take 8 min to move the ball down the field, and score, than DA throw 2 INT's, which turn into 14 points for the other team, in the same 8 min.
So you are all for bringing Frye back? That only works for so long..and last I remember Quinn had 2 int. in 2.5 games and 2 TD in 2.5 games. Does that mean he will have 16 TD and 16 int's? Did Quinns 2 int's not result in points the other way? What is the point here?
Browns offense under Brady Quinn in games he starts: 21.6 ppg.
Browns offense under Derek Anderson in games he starts: 23.3 ppg
And that is including last year for Anderson, to be fair to him.
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I guess I'm just supposed to not remember the Broncos game?
Don't forget, Brady played with a fractured finger during both Bills and Texans game, one that took him out for the rest of the season. Even still, he put us in a position to win two of those games because he didn't make the big mistake, unlike Derek Anderson.
You can remember the Denver game, sure. Just don't forget the Bills and Texans games where, injury or no, he played like total garbage. And then don't forget that he insisted that the injury was a non-issue following both games, and actually expressed surprise at being benched during the Texans game.
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That's not fair at all. That's a completely healthy offense, and WR's catching passes they had no business catching. Compare just 2008 PPG with the 2 QB's.
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To say I know for a certainty would imply that I know Quinn and/or someone on the team. I don't.
But there are other ways to get that information because there are people all over the internet who do know people on the team and are close the situation, and I can tell you that it was reported that Quinn was upset at the playcalling because they wouldn't open up the playbook for him and let him play.
But you don't have to believe that either. You can use your own brains and put two and two together. What did this coaching staff do with every single player that was seeing the field for the first time? They spoon fed them because RAC didn't want to give them too much (man, I am so glad he's not the coach of this team anymore).
Think of the simpletons that were coaching this team starting with RAC, and is it really so hard to believe that they scaled back the playbook because a QB was making his first start?
Come on, even you two smart guys have to concede that.
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Yeah, that is one thing that I agree with you about. The playcalling this year was terrible on offense for both DA and BQ.
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That's not fair at all. That's a completely healthy offense, and WR's catching passes they had no business catching. Compare just 2008 PPG with the 2 QB's.
For this year it was 17.7 ppg.
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Well there you have it. You settled the argument. Two QBs with the same Offense.  DA will be gone before the March bonus.
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Well there you have it. You settled the argument.
Two QBs with the same Offense.
DA will be gone before the March bonus.
I'm just giving people unbiased stats. Take with it what you will. Honestly, there isn't much of a difference in points scored between Quinn and DA, it's the people around them.
If I had to have a personal preference as to which QB I think will be more successful, i'd go with Quinn and run a WCO.
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i'd go with Quinn and run a WCO.
Yup, if the new coach wants to run a WCO then Brady is our man, but if he wants to run an air it out type O then we go with DA, it all depends on the new coaches preference...The only problem with running the WCO is that we would need to find a new running back because Jamal is the exact opposite of what you want in that style of O...we would need a back in the style of Brian Westbrook...someone who is fast, shifty, and is a good pass catcher.
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Any other topics we can talk about?  Quite honestly, I can't say we even have a QB that's worth a shiznit, but I do think we have two QB's that can play. Let's let the next GM and coach figure out who the best is....
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i'd go with Quinn and run a WCO.
Yup, if the new coach wants to run a WCO then Brady is our man, but if he wants to run an air it out type O then we go with DA, it all depends on the new coaches preference...The only problem with running the WCO is that we would need to find a new running back because Jamal is the exact opposite of what you want in that style of O...we would need a back in the style of Brian Westbrook...someone who is fast, shifty, and is a good pass catcher.
There are several guys, be it in the draft or free agency, that could fill that hole.
We have all the makings of a great WCO, we may as well start using the pieces properly.
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[quotewe would need a back in the style of Brian Westbrook...someone who is fast, shifty, and is a good pass catcher.
Did I hear you say Jerome Harrisons name?? J Lew for short yardage situations.
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Yeah, but if we do go the WCO route then we are just creating another hole for ourselves at the RB position. We have much more important holes to fill right now at LB, OL, CB and WR.
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Also, if we are to change the offense or not, we absolutely need to rid ourselves of Necktie.
I don't know who is out there in the draft or free agency, but that right side of the line needs to be completely overhauled.
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Harrison would be a great fit for the WCO.
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Don't forget, Brady played with a fractured finger during both Bills and Texans game, one that took him out for the rest of the season. Even still, he put us in a position to win two of those games because he didn't make the big mistake, unlike Derek Anderson.
No... you can hang onto that Denver game as long as you want to. He said he was fine, IMO the injury is being used as a crutch. He looked fine, until the Texans game gone bad...AKA 2 int's and then he started wincing. You don't think they took X-rays after he injured it? Let alone let a rookie QB play 2 games with a broken finger that could hamper the team. He actually put us into a position to lose the Denver game. We gave the Ball back to them with 50 seconds left after Brady used all of 24 seconds on three straight short incompletions. If I remember right Denver dropped a few easy picks. The Buffalo game he put us in a position to win? We had a 70 yard run by Harrison. We had FIVE stalled out drives that resulted in field goals including a 56 yarder, one nice drive in the second quarter... that Cribbs ran in for a TD. We did win though...thank god for Trent Edwards or we would be picking higher.
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5-M.Prater kicks 48 yards from DEN 30 to CLE 22. 16-J.Cribbs to CLE 33 for 11 yards (46-S.Larsen).
1-10-CLE 33 (1:14) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass short right to 80-K.Winslow pushed ob at CLE 42 for 9 yards (51-J.Winborn).
2-1-CLE 42 (1:03) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short right to 80-K.Winslow.
3-1-CLE 42 (:58) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short middle to 29-J.Wright.
4-1-CLE 42 (:54) (Shotgun) 10-B.Quinn pass incomplete short left to 80-K.Winslow.
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Hey Og I just noticed we have the same amount of posts! Cool. (Except I've been around here forever and only post when I have something of value to add to the discussion. ) Anyway I have enjoyed reading your numerous posts in this thread. You sure have driven home you point. I really think you and LOYAL worked some of these Hall of Famers over with your adept Football Analysis and insight to the teams future. I just ran your entire scenario thru Madden on my PS and your right! With all those #1 picks we will be Super Bowl Champs in 2011! (I had to use some cheat codes to get it done so maybe the Browns will have to take some video lessons from the Pats). Just having some fun with you... relax. On a serious note, this whole discussion is really just fantasy. We have no idea what direction the organization will go in until we have a new HC and GM. I'm sure some cuts and trades will be made that will make some of unhappy. If it is BQ, for some reason, I will root for whoever the QB is... even if it is DA. Thing is though, I can't imagine a scenario that DA gets paid all that money in March....  Can you?
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