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There are two kinds of negatives in a matter like this. Losing out and missing out.
If you have done any kind of research in to the matter, you usually miss out on more than you lose out.
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It just amazes me those of us who know nothing at all (read everyone here) somehow knows this choice or that choice is going to be good or bad. While it may qualify as opinion, it's hardly a quantifiable opinion of any nature. As noted above, it falls totally and completely into the conjecture category.
Which is why you don't see me on here with pom poms, or wearing a undertakers outfit. Not one single one of us knows how this will pan out, and none of us will for a few years. All the crap posted right now is meaningless.
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There are two kinds of negatives in a matter like this. Losing out and missing out.
If you have done any kind of research in to the matter, you usually miss out on more than you lose out.
For the purposes of my comment, Missing out and Losing out are the same thing.
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Interesting article regarding how the Broncos are going about thier search: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5...mp;confirm=trueSomething from that article stuck out to me: Quote:
Shanahan's successor will inherit a resurgent offense and a deteriorated defense, the result of poor personnel decisions on draft day and in free agency. He'll also have much less power than Shanahan because Bowlen will split up the duties and hire a general manager after he gets his coach under contract.
This from the owner of arguably one of the most successful franchises in the last 20 or so years.. (5 Superbowl appearances, 2 wins and a whole lot of winning seasons)
He's doing just what Randy Lerner is in the middle of.. Hiring a coach first then picking a GM..
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Shanahan plans to take one year away from coaching, but he still will collect his annual $7 million salary from the Broncos. He had three years left on his contract when he was dumped.
Some wondered why Randy didn't wait to interview Shanahan.. maybe it's because Shanahan told him that he intends to stay out in 2009.
I knew that as this started to unfold there would be some rumors that will turn out to be true and some that will turn out to be false. I think all the rumors of Shanahan looking a different HCing jobs just went right out the window.
On the other side of that coin, Bowlen did interview quite a few guys to be his new HC so far:
Steve Spagnuolo Giants
Josh McDaniels Patriots
Raheem Morris Buccaneers
Leslie Frazier Vikings
Todd Bowles Dolphins
Jason Garrett Cowboys
Rick Dennison Broncos
Todd Bowles, isn't he a former browns asst?
Of that list of candidates, I wish (not that it really matters now) that Lerner would have spoken to Jason Garrett. For all we know, he tried. I heard on Sportscenter that Garrett first turned down an offer to interview with Detroit but then later changed his mind. Not sure where that stands at the moment.
I did find it interesting that this article didn't name even one potential GM candidate that Denver is looking at. Wonder why that is?
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It will be interesting to see if the Broncos are blasted in the media for hiring their GM 2nd... My guess is no. Granted, Bowlen has more experience, but he's not a "football" guy.
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It will be interesting to see if the Broncos are blasted in the media for hiring their GM 2nd... My guess is no. Granted, Bowlen has more experience, but he's not a "football" guy.
I think that was my point of bringing it up.. Bowlen has been successful and he's taken this approach,, Kraft in NE has been successful and he's taken this approach.. That's two teams that have won 5 of the last 10 Superbowls that are taking the same approach as Randy Lerner did this time.
Do you think that randy might have been paying attention? 
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I am not sure you understood my point?
I was agreeing with you. Sometimes you have to act or you will miss the opportunity....which could have happened if we waited to go the GM route first.
We may lose out on another candidate by doing this now v two weeks from now, but if the research done was half way solid, we won't lose.
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I am not sure you understood my point?
I was agreeing with you. Sometimes you have to act or you will miss the opportunity....which could have happened if we waited to go the GM route first.
We may lose out on another candidate by doing this now v two weeks from now, but if the research done was half way solid, we won't lose.
If you're talking Mangini...I am completely convinced that if we did not move as we did...He'd be elsewhere by now...
Now Let's Go Tennessee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Ahhh,, yes indeed,, I missed your point..... Thanks for clearing that up...
Just a side note.. I just went to the top of this page and I clicked on each of the links to various sports sites.... I found it really funny that the so called "knowledgable" reporters see things so differently. wow what an impressive array of bunk that is being published....LOL if you step back and take nothing personal, all you can really do is chuckle.....LOL
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If you're talking Mangini...I am completely convinced that if we did not move as we did...He'd be elsewhere by now...
Now Let's Go Tennessee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've caught up with this thread this morning. You, Peen and Damon have painted a pretty accurate picture.
Hiring the coach first is nothing new. In fact, it's been a very successfull formula in the recent past. And much of the information being spread is pure speculation that some on here wish to claim as gospel.
It's really pretty sad to see some I gave more credit than that falling for such a sucker move. Looks like re-evaluation time here too.
I'll be making some cuts on the roster.
BTW- Peen, Congats to your Gators! They played well and deserved the win!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Oh yea Peen, I forgot to offer up congrats to your gators,,,, so,, Congrats
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For those of you wondering, I just saw on the ESPN ticker that Rich McKay has formally removed his name from consideration for GM job with the Browns. They even added that he is the 3rd candidate to do so after the hiring of Eric Mangini.
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That was reported earlier somewhere on here... thanks for confirming
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It makes sense for some of these guys.
They want one role, and it is apparent we have a different role to offer.
It doesn't mean this is a bad job or there is something wrong with Mangini, Lerner, or anyone else.
We have a situation where the coach and GM will be more or less lateral positions. Some won't mind that, other will.
Just the way it works.
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I was literally just about to post that exact same thing...so...
GREAT POST Peen!
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Well. . . You guys can be as positive as you would like. I am going to be the realistic Browns fan from here on out. Meaning, I am going to expect the worst from this organization until they PROVE otherwise to me. Neither Al or Randy Lerner have have made a single good hire since we have been back. I will error on the side of experience and assume Lerner is screwing this up until proven otherwise. These guys lining up to remove their name from competition is not a good thing, and can't be spun into a good thing in my mind. We are going to be stuck with an inexperienced GM. And I don't like that.
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Neither Al or Randy Lerner have have made a single good hire since we have been back. I will error on the side of experience and assume Lerner is screwing this up until proven otherwise.
Ah if I only had a spare $500 million I'd buy the team but this dang downturn in the stock market is killing me.
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These guys lining up to remove their name from competition is not a good thing, and can't be spun into a good thing in my mind. We are going to be stuck with an inexperienced GM. And I don't like that.
All these people turning down interview offers makes us look bad. How many of you would turn down an interview for a job promotion with a competing company when it is clear that you will get a 3-fold increase in your salary? Now think of why someone would. Crappy company, crappy bosses, job assignment is doomed for failure, not wanting to relocate, or you are very happy where you are at. The only 2 that don't make us look bad are the last 2 and if this was the case these guys wouldn't be agreeing to the interview in the 1st place.
So either these guys don't want to work for the Browns (don't think that is the case because they agreed to the interview in the 1st place), don't want to work with Mangini (a possibility since most of these cancellations occurred after his hire) or feel the set up makes it too difficult for them to succeed (without the power of a typical GM why would someone want this job???)
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Well. . . You guys can be as positive as you would like. I am going to be the realistic Browns fan from here on out.
why, because several GM candidates have taken themselves out of the running?
Did you ever get the feeling that like Peen eluded to, we are offering something they don't want. All that really means is that we have to redefine the our requirements and match them to candidate desires.
Somewhere out there is a personnel guy (which it seems to me is what we are really looking for) That wants an opportunity to demonstrate his skills.
That's the guy we need to locate and attract.
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Well. . . You guys can be as positive as you would like. I am going to be the realistic Browns fan from here on out.
why, because several GM candidates have taken themselves out of the running?
Did you ever get the feeling that like Peen eluded to, we are offering something they don't want. All that really means is that we have to redefine the our requirements and match them to candidate desires.
Somewhere out there is a personnel guy (which it seems to me is what we are really looking for) That wants an opportunity to demonstrate his skills.
That's the guy we need to locate and attract.
I hear there's a guy by the name of Savage looking for work . If we are looking for a personnel guy, then we are looking at the only 2 options out there that fit that mode that are still interested - Kokinis and McCreight (sp). That still gives us 2 guys who have not been the one responsible for pulling the trigger on draft day or when signing free agents. I want experience. I guess I would be happy if Floyd Reese was hired. At least he is experienced.
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Rumor has it Kokinis might be leaning toward staying in Baltimore. Based on newspaper articles.
I don't like the idea of hiring Reese. He did a pretty good job with personnel but left Tennesee in cap heck that they had to crawl out of.
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It makes sense for some of these guys.
They want one role, and it is apparent we have a different role to offer.
It doesn't mean this is a bad job or there is something wrong with Mangini, Lerner, or anyone else.
We have a situation where the coach and GM will be more or less lateral positions. Some won't mind that, other will.
Just the way it works.
Depends who you listen to. 
I do agree with you, but some people are trying to trash Lerner. Though I love going to PFT for rumors and information, Mike Florio never has anything good to say about anyone. He smears all of his posts with sarcasm and disrespect, and has especially been ripping the Browns in our search.
As much as I like getting some of their info, sometimes I can't stand reading what he puts out. You have to sift through the garbage and just focus on the facts.
I agree that it doesn't neccessarily mean that this is a bad job. It looks like it's going to be clearly defined that the GM and coach will be working closely together, and will both report to Randy.
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then we are looking at the only 2 options out there that fit that mode that are still interested - Kokinis and McCreight (sp).
These are the only two that you are aware of .. that doesn't mean they are the only two that fit and would be interested.
What about that guy from the pats,, not pioli but the guy that reports to him... I forgot his name but it was brought up earlier.. or Sundquist from the Broncos. he did a pretty good job before Shanny wanted more power.
Now we are at 4 guys.. and that's without really looking closely at things...
Without actually looking, I'm sure there at least 2 or 3 more.
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I want experience. I guess I would be happy if Floyd Reese was hired. At least he is experienced.
Experience at running teams into the ground. Thats why he was let go id tennessee. He had the cap so screwed up it was ridiculous.
But on the other hand we have McCreight and he is one of the best at handling the cap.
But I wouldn't want to risk bringing in Reese.
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I have read that the Browns are interested in Chris Polian from the Colts.
It was KFFL reported from the plain dealer so take it for what it's worth.
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Actually our cap guru is Trip McCracken. I made the same mistake last week. 
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I'm sure there's guys out there currently without teams who'd be interested.....
Sundquist, Casserly, Reese.....these are a few names out there. Not saying they'd fit or be interested in them, but the way Reese has talked during this season, he sounds as though he'd be interested in returning to a GM spot.
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Actually our cap guru is Trip McCracken. I made the same mistake last week.
Oh that's right. Yeah he's good too.
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That's a name right there, Trip McCracken. Saw a person at work the other day by the name of Dick Skinner.
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Well at-least his name isn't Phil.
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1. I've had a tough time on this board...don't know why I try to get into a thread and it can't find the site. So haven't been posting here lately not by choice.
2. Heat33... "For those of you wondering, I just saw on the ESPN ticker that Rich McKay has formally removed his name from consideration for GM job with the Browns. They even added that he is the 3rd candidate to do so after the hiring of Eric Mangini."
I've seen several insinuate that we have made a bad hire as all these candidates pull their name out of the mix for GM. Several meaning sports journalists as well as posters.
I can't think of anything being more clear. As several have posted it primarily was looking like - Pioli/Ferentz, Spagnoulo/Heckert, Mangini/Kokinis. McKay I thought we arlready hinted that its a overlap hire and he is more a Paper pusher and not a Personnel strength guy.
But when Randy made his mind up and hired Mangini - it pretty much meant volumes in the group he was picking and most definitely included Kokinis.
I think we have some backup plans scheduled cause we never know what the Ravens might do to break it up...Promote him to GM and Give Ozzie another title??? And until Kokinis signs with us there is that 5-10% chance the worst can happen and for some reason he turns down our interests in him 
But its almost a Done deal...nothing is done until its done....so we are pursuing backup plans.
Pioli, Heckert, McKay withdrawing their names means diddly cause simply Mangini was not their HC of choice in this Marriage proposal thing. It was made very clear the HC n GM had to be like one. Well lets see we interview Mangini he names Kokinis and we hire Mangini. Doesn't that like smack all in the face that we just turned down Pioli, Heckert and McKay. So they were the ones to cancel out...big deal - Randy is like that it seems and will bend over backwards for people out of respect. He asked them to interview and he didn't want to disrespect them and cancel...so they canceled.
But for the media and some posters to try to spin it as if we were rejected is absurd to me. I thought it was so obvious that we rejected them not the other way around.
GM vs HC who to hire first...I don't care as long as they work together. That has always been the key with winning franchises and is the "FORMULA". Cause there are one with GM hiring the HC or the HC appointing or advising the owner to hire the GM of his choice. What is important is that they Work as ONE!!!
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1. I think it would take around 1 billion to buy the Browns...at least. I'm a little off target too...lol 
"Now think of why someone would. Crappy company, crappy bosses, job assignment is doomed for failure, not wanting to relocate, or you are very happy where you are at. The only 2 that don't make us look bad are the last 2 and if this was the case these guys wouldn't be agreeing to the interview in the 1st place."
Sorry not quite the same. What if the job you are interviewing was stressed to have a close working relationship with another and that the hire was going to work hand in hand. So you interview and let them know who you wish to work with....Now they go and hire the other position first and its simply not the guy you suggested and worse yet the guy they did hire has made it public on who he wants to work with. Of course that said person is in the middle of pounding out a project that is still in the works and he won't be available until that project is finished.
So what do you do? Is it because of any of the list you mentioned. I find it odd you simply didn't present an exact situation of what has happened. Its not a normal job there were other things involved.
Obviously the prospective Employer chose another direction than what you made in your presentation.
Its not cause they don't want to work with Mangini (maybe Pioli's case as they don't exactly like each other right now) or work for us. Its cause they had a different direction in their proposed plans.
And us persuing them would have just brought an exact duplicate of what we just went through. Not this - GM from RAVENS n HC from Pats...oh no same thing. No, no - its the marriage of the two.
What will really mess us up though would be if Kokinis does not join us. That would be the only insult on the table regarding Mangini. None of the other cancellations.
Also Heat...use another word that "REALISTIC" Cause that's a load of crap...calling your opinion "REALISTIC" - what does that label anyone opposing your opinion??? 
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Didn't see this posted... SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP)—Rob Chudzinski, the Cleveland Browns’ offensive coordinator for the past two seasons, is interviewing with 49ers coach Mike Singletary for San Francisco’s vacant offensive coordinator job. Former St. Louis coach Scott Linehan and Indianapolis receivers coach Clyde Christensen interviewed with the 49ers on Friday. Chudzinski was praised in 2007 when Cleveland’s offense scored 402 points and finished eighth in the NFL, but his unit slumped to 31st this season, contributing to coach Romeo Crennel’s firing. Chudzinski got a contract extension from Cleveland last season, but isn’t expected to stay on new coach Eric Mangini’s staff. The 40-year-old Chudzinski is an up-and-coming offensive mind, but he was known for a pass-first philosophy with Cleveland quarterbacks Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn, which might not fit Singletary’s vision of a run-based offense in San Francisco. The 49ers are searching for their seventh offensive coordinator in seven seasons after Singletary fired Mike Martz late last month. San Francisco’s offense improved under Martz after being the NFL’s worst in two of the previous three seasons. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=As...p&type=lgns
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I find it odd you simply didn't present an exact situation of what has happened.
I was trying to use an example that people could relate to themselves. I think we would all say that if we were offered the GM job for the Browns we would take it in a heartbeat. Maybe a few heart beats because I know I would be tachycardic
Maybe not a good example. But cut me some slck I haven't interviewed for a job in about 10 years. My point is that there is something making all these guys back out. If it isn't Mangini or it isn't that we created a crappy job by hiring Mangini then I don't know what else it could be. I would certainly be open to other ideas.
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I have read that the Browns are interested in Chris Polian from the Colts.
So that makes it 5 in the mix already... Although I did hear it said that Polian might not be interested because he's pretty much got a built in situation taking over in Indy someday... Not sure at all how accurate that is.
But look around, I have to believe there are a host of guys that could fit into a role that would end up being a collaborator rather than a boss to Mangini
We also have to remember something about the Kokinis report, it started with a tv/radio station in Baltimore.. as if they don't have an axe to grind in spreading rumors that may or may not have any value.
Then there's the Heckert stuff... Each day, I get up and the rumor on him from the day before is debunked.. today, he's not interested in the Browns Job.. yesterday, he was, tomorrow, who knows?
Jumping to conclusions seems to be our favorite pasttime around here...
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You left yourself open for that one, Eo *L*
Having watched this unfold from afar since it started, the one factor that was close to being known was that Lerner identified the HC as being more important than the GM. That's if you believe ESPN. Ok, I can accept that judgement, even if I don't have an opinion one way or another (I do, but that's for another thread, hehe). From that regard, I agree that this team needed a veteran, heavy-fisted HC to fix what RAC created here, or perhaps I should say to do what RAC couldn't. I accepted it as a sound decision based on the premise that we were bringing in a TANDEM to run the show. Pioli/McDaniels, Mangini/Kokinis, etc etc. If we jumped the gun and Mangini ends up NOT having the services of Kokinis, then we've a tougher battle to face, and the move could somewhat backfire. I won't form an opinion until this plays out.
It's simply conjecture, but I feel as though Bowlen and Lerner found themselves in similiar situations, and have changed directions based on those situations.
In Lerner's case, Savage ended up with too much power, having given RAC the extension (which was flawed) in exchange for RAC giving up power and reporting directly to Opie (which he shouldn't have done and was nothing more than a money grab, almost selling his soul to the football-devil for job security or millions).
In Pat's case, Shanahan had absolute power and screwed up things as much as he fixed'em. In many ways, they are no different than the Browns, in that for every good move that was made, there was a poor move.
In order for both guys to fix what's become broken, they have no choice but to change how things are done.
I get it. I may not necessarily like it, but I get it. RAC was a wussy and the players did and acted how they wanted. The fix is to bring in a hard-ass. Opie had grabbed too much power and screwed some things up. The fix is to limit the control. Having watched my stock portfolio take several kidney-punches and hit the ground in pain, I FULLY understand "diversification." *L*
This entire soap-opera is on a roller-coaster ride of emotion and speculation. That won't change even after we hire a GM. It'll start to settle once the facts and reports come out well-after he's hired. Only then will it be smart to form an opinion.
I do know this: I like the move for Mangini. I have reservations about him, but then again, I had reservations about every candidate out there. No way in Hell would I feel comfortable hiring a 32-year old to be my HC What DC WOULDN'T be successful with Umenyiora, Tuck, Strahan, and Kiwanuka rushing the QB? And for both, who knows if they have any idea how to act once it's their butts on the line? For every example of a coordinator who's made it, there's one of a coordinator that bombed. With all things being equal, I'd more comfortable with a HC who's had success in this league, and there's no doubt Mangini has had success. I do think he's the right hire at the right time, based on this teams situation. To that end, finding a GM is important, but IMHO is only equally as important for us as the coach. In that regard, I don't agree with Lerner's findings, but time will tell how this plays out.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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IIRC ? ....I don't know what that stands for.... I do understand that there wasn't many experienced GMs available....That said , however, I would have pushed to add the best of the bunch on the market....If that is Floyd Reese than the answer to your question is Yes !....
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I see it like this....you can have a good team without a GM...you can't without a coach.
I honestly don't see the GM being all that important if the coach is a good coach......finding someone to head up the scouting and such isn't that darn hard.
The problem these days is the GM wants to pick the players..they want to play Mel Kiper.
The coach needs someone who can get him good, trusted information.
I just don't see a big problem....unless he can't coach and can't pick players....but nothing says a GM will either, so it is neither here or there as far as this discussion goes.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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If I Recall Correctly  Floyd Reece was the only experienced GM that was out there for consideration at the time. He selected some solid players, but put his team in salary cap hell. I would rather take a chance on a Pioli/Coke/Heckert who may not have had the final say, but worked within a successul franchise and can apply that experience to ours.
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Yeah I highly doubt Polian would be interested because his dad is 65 and he is slated to take over.
But you never know, the guy has followed his dad everywhere he has went and maybe he just might want to get out and make a name for himself. Some guy's don't want to live in someone elses shadow. But you never know.
That is the problem with this time of year, everyone hears this little bit of information and whether it be tru or un-true the print it anyways so they can be the first to break the story. There is so much falsehood out there now that I just try not to sway one way or the other. Nothing is final until the ink has dried on the contract.
I really do not see the big deal in the GM anyways. Something that I believe is talked about a few posts up, the GM does not coach the team and he more than not rely's on his scouts to gather information about talent. He's not going to be much involved in the salary cap because we have a guy in McCraken handling that. This guy is just going to be another voice in most things involving Cleveland Browns. He's not going to be making any drastic descisions all by his lonesome, so it is of my opinion that our GM spot isn't all that crucial as everyone thinks it may be.
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Charlie Casserly is also out there. Haven't heard anything about his desire to return to a front office job. Don't know much about him except that he had the guts to take Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. Turns out he picked the better player. Also turns out that the pick cost him his job.
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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