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I also know Callahan ran the WCO in Oakland. I would love to see that here.
Im hoping that Mangini gives Jeff Jagodzinski a look. I like his credentails. He was a TE coach, o-line coach, OC in Green Bay for a year.
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I also know Callahan ran the WCO in Oakland. I would love to see that here.
Im hoping that Mangini gives Jeff Jagodzinski a look. I like his credentails. He was a TE coach, o-line coach, OC in Green Bay for a year.
I want nothing at all to do with Callahan. He managed to take a super bowl raiders team to 4-12 the next year and a once proud Nebraska team turned to total toilet bowl material and Nebraska only kept him around for 3 years. I hope he stays as far away from the Browns as possible.
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Sounds like Mangini's an easy coach to hate. I just wonder how many trading partners we will have now that we have the snitch as our coach. (my wife says to me 'Your Browns hired a weasle as coach'. 
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I still can't believe that BC fired him for interviewing... geesh....
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I just wonder how many trading partners we will have now that we have the snitch as our coach. (my wife says to me 'Your Browns hired a weasle as coach'.
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Ignore some of this..I'm more interested in what EM does with the roster.
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Now Mangini has to make his own stamp on this franchise..and he's got some work to do, both analizing the offensive needs and defensive holes..
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All depends how much of a Football person ya think Rich Cimini of the Daily News is.
I've read all the quotes and he added nothing new but a lot of his own editorializing.
Actually if this is the best dirt he can dig up... I'm pretty satisfied.
The Favre thing...what NFL coach can prepare himself for that.
As for the not really wanting him...I don't know - he gave his latest born the middle name of Brett. Sounds like he didn't respect the guy at all.
I do think they had to change the offense...but what NFL coach wouldn't when he gets somebody new who really was in one system his entire NFL career.
Rip the WRs...you mean how he would rip BE and others for rounding off their routes who give up on a pass and don't go all out and defend a bad pass. Ya mean the writer got Coles to complain for being reamed by Mangini...have any of you watched a Jets game...watch Coles. He openly fought the hiring of Favre and trade/release of Pennington. And was lackluster all year long.
JMHO...and there were two sides to the season. 8-3 and 1-4. I'm sure there were more positives in there than the negatives attributed to Mangini. I wonder if Shanahan had any negatives in his season?
Mangini didn't come to us with the declaration that he's perfect. He stated that he learned every game...every week as a head coach.
What's more important is not the mistakes but that he has learned - which we will see.
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Im hoping that Mangini gives Jeff Jagodzinski a look. I like his credentails. He was a TE coach, o-line coach, OC in Green Bay for a year.
I still can't believe that BC fired him for interviewing... geesh....
I can, if i went to interview for a competing company in my line of work and my employer found out about it i also would be fired.
Now he could have certain provisions in his contract that allows him to interview for other jobs, but i would think not.
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I still can't believe that BC fired him for interviewing... geesh....
I can, if i went to interview for a competing company in my line of work and my employer found out about it i also would be fired.
Now he could have certain provisions in his contract that allows him to interview for other jobs, but i would think not.
As I understand it, he did have a clause in his contract that allowed him to interview after year 3 of his 5 year deal, this was only year 2.
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I don't think it will take that long.
As a guy who has been in the league and has played us recently, he already has a pretty good idea of the problems....and strengths.
Add in Romeo is a friend who seemingly isn't bitter about the deal, he will give Mangini some straight talk about players....he isn't going to feed him BS.
Mangini and his final staff(at least the top staff) will have all of that sorted out in a week or two.
If Koknnis comes over, he worked under/with Savage, so he will have an idea of how the scouting dept is set up and running...and probably knows many of the guys in place....it is going to be pretty seamless....you aren't going to have a bunch of strangers meeting for the first time trying to protect their turf or cover their butt.
At this point, we haven't missed a beat, Savage and Romeo weren't going to be doing much in this time frame anyway other than hearing how Savage attended 43 bowl games over a 3 day period..They were going to have a year end review just like Mangini will in a week or so, and this one will be more complete rather than Savage saying how great the roster looks and Romeo shrugging his shoulders.
This is going to work.
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I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Im hoping that Mangini gives Jeff Jagodzinski a look. I like his credentails. He was a TE coach, o-line coach, OC in Green Bay for a year.
I still can't believe that BC fired him for interviewing... geesh....
I can, if i went to interview for a competing company in my line of work and my employer found out about it i also would be fired.
Now he could have certain provisions in his contract that allows him to interview for other jobs, but i would think not.
As I understand it, he did have a clause in his contract that allowed him to interview after year 3 of his 5 year deal, this was only year 2.
My bad. I should have said since he was fired i would think he did not have those provisions in his contract to allow him to interview at this time.
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I believe! Nice post Peen. Not a complete rebuild. Just some retooling......
Very smart on the part of Lerner. Not the stupidity some are trying to portray.
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I don't think it will take that long.
Usually takes me five games to see what we need for next season  I actually think EM kinda knows what needs to be looked at..but once we get a GM in here..he got decisions to make on certain people..Like DA..KW..and others..if it is Kok..I hope he's smart enough and aggressive enough to get what we need.
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I am not in favor of this hiring,but my feelings aren't that strong against it.
So,what are your realistic expectations?
Everyone has jumped on that "Savage didn't get the right kinda players" bandwagon,now you're all saying we don't need a rebuild.
Well,gee which is it?
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That is a good point. Getting a handle on the salary cap and contract status is going to take more time than anything else.....but those guys are in place and I doubt the ushering in of Kokins is going to signal the end for many of the people already in position in the front office like it could with some other GM change..
The coaches will be able to sit down and in 2 days will have their feelings about the roster pretty much finished.
Then you wait for FA and the draft to see what you might be able to do about it.
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It will be quick, but I doubt it's 2 days. I would imagine it will be at least that much time just in watching game film.
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It'll take about a month to fully evaluate everything ..from scouts to players..
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Geesh....ok....3-4
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I'm not being coherent in some posts. Chemo makes one foggy apparently. Not only will the coaches break down the game film, but they will also watch practice film. There is several hundred miles of tape to go through. It's going to take awhile. Then again, it's possible that this process began awihle ago and Coke is already looking at things, too.
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I just completed listening to the entire news conference from this morning introducing Mangini
First thing I noticed,,, No Randy Lerner.. I'm guessing the man doesn't want the spotlight at all.. I got no problem with that. he doesn't owe us any explainations as to why he picked Mangini and didn't wait for Shanny or any of those things. He's the owner, it's his money and it's his team. While some of us would like to hear the reasons for his decisions, they aren't any of our business.
Second thing is Keenan.. sounds like a sharp guy.. we will probably never hear from him again... he's a back office guy 100%..
The third thing was it was pretty clear that Mangini is a guy that either means the good things,, or at least knows what they are so he can say them. I'm undecided.. Actions will speak volumes and I gotta be fair and give him time to show me.
I also noticed that with the exception of a few moments, we have Bill Belichick back in Cleveland. This time, with a little first time HC experience behind him.. kinda like what the Pats got when they hired him.
Man I swear to you, I see now more than ever. Lerner did indeed get his Belichick clone.
Especially when, near the end of the conference, I think Terry Pluto asked about the first 5 things they he needed to address..
Mangini said "terry I've been here 12 hours" and terry responded back "come on, you know what I mean" and mangini reluctantly respond and frankly gave a good answer.. but I could see in Manginis eyes.. that reporter, Terry Pluto or terry someone, is now on the Pooper Scooper List.... If eyes were daggers, that guy would have gotten stuck.. LOL
I don't know if it's the right way to go about building an organization,, but nobody can say it hasn't worked before.
So now randy has to go and get his Pioli clone.
Like I said, Mangini seems to say all the right things.. So now it's put up or shut up time.
I may be undecided, but I'm open to see what he does.
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Very smart on the part of Lerner. Not the stupidity some are trying to portray.
You don't think it's stupidity to actually interview only 1 GM candidate, turn him away because he doesn't want to work with your head coach, turn away another potential candidate because of the same reason, and then essentially commit to hiring a guy you haven't actually interviewed yet?
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Well what would have happened had Lerner given Pioli what he wanted? Was Pioli going to interview any other coaches outside of Ferentz? And if the owner doesn't want a rookie HC then what ? Hmmmm? Dang..there's that dreaded thing called logic.. 
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... " I may be undecided, but I'm open to see what he does... " I'm going to TRY and follow your example .. And I will admit the idea of a Rob Ryan as a " DC " really interests me ( An attach D ) But ( had to be one ) If I'm the guy ( Lerner ) who is calling the shots , and I know there are going to be the " Oh my God " by a bunch of folks >> Then why not have the brace b--ls and step up to the mike an introduce " Your Man " ????
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The same expectation I have from every HC we've had. Steady improvement.
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Everyone has jumped on that "Savage didn't get the right kinda players" bandwagon,now you're all saying we don't need a rebuild.
Is Joe Thomas "the wrong kind of player? for ANYBODY? I think you missed the boat here Bud.
I think what many have eluded to was the D side of the ball. And we're right where we were when RAC left. A couple of LB'ers and a physical CB. Would that make for a perfect D? Probably not. But it would go a LONG way at the improvement most of us are looking for.
We still have a good core of players to build on. Not a re-build but more of a re-tooling. Wheather RAC or Mangenius are here, that really doesn't change does it?
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Just for clarification. Rebuild is scrapping everything from the QB on down. Re-tooling means fixing certain areas. Sorry if you don't understand the difference. What I think the difference is, is that in one case you scrap everything. The other you have a core to build around.
It's really not rocket science IMO
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While you think of a answer, this is Lerners logic..
He wanted a coach with experience who wanted to come here..
Cowherd said no..
Shanny said wait..but Lerner may have figured he wasn't going to come.
Holmgren said next year..
He didn't want to tap Marty..
So that leaves .......Mangini...and he feels he's a hot item..
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Well what would have happened had Lerner given Pioli what he wanted?
Was Pioli going to interview any other coaches outside of Ferentz?
And if the owner doesn't want a rookie HC then what ?
Hmmmm?
Dang..there's that dreaded thing called logic..
I'll give you one right back.
I'm not saying that he even should've hired Pioli but for Pete's sake, we've essentially handed our GM job to a guy we haven't even interviewed yet! Not only that, we have to give him Phil Savage control to get him! We have one candidate to compare him to (and given Pioli's qualifications, there is no comparison) and yet we're supposed to feel comfortable with the front office? There's something in a hiring process called vetting... you can't exactly vet a guy you haven't interviewed, let alone if you've barely interviewed anyone else.
Am I the only person who has a problem with this? It's great that Mangini loves the guy, but if I'm going to hire him, I might want to... I don't know... INTERVIEW HIM. Guess that makes me crazy...
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OH MY !!! LIONS, TIGERS and Bears!!
We haven't given anyone the GM position yet..what are you freaking out about?
Kokinis is going to be interviewed this weekend or next week......then the decision will be made..why not just say you don't want the guy?
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So you like rebuilding, because thats what your saying. Lerner got his coach, one with upside and surprised many that was fired, he runs a similar football style that is in Cleveland and one that Lerner likes on both sides of the ball, so you want to take that away and start again? No it's called continuity and something Cleveland has lacked since we came back in 99. This is a smart move football wise we have talent now we need to weed out the "bad" players. This is the first time Cleveland has established themselves as an existing franchise and Lerner did the right thing, who knows yet, but I just seen an owner take a stand in his business and one I think needed to be done, this toatl blow up and rebuild crap got old, and even though you want that I am glad we are at least showing we have a style, be it right or wrong.
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Well what would have happened had Lerner given Pioli what he wanted?
Was Pioli going to interview any other coaches outside of Ferentz?
And if the owner doesn't want a rookie HC then what ?
Hmmmm?
Dang..there's that dreaded thing called logic..
Kind of funny isn't it?
It's okay for Pioli to hire a HC ( something he's NEVER done without interviewing ANYBODY ELSE ), but after Lerner has experience under his belt in this department, it's NOT okay that he did it AFTER interviewing one GM guy and three other HC candidates.
Bottom line? Randy lives in New York. He KNOWS what's been going on there. IMO- He knew that he wanted Mangini if and when he was available. He also felt much the same way about Pioli.
One of these two guys were going to be "his football man". The interview process was how he would determine his final decision. He made it and now everyone is some expert second guessing it.
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The GM will fit the needs of what Lerner wants, and he will be compatible with his head coach and I am sure we will land a competant guy for the job. Lerner knows more then we do and should.
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Well I was unaware that Accorsi(good football mind) recommended these guys to Lerner..
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You don't think it's stupidity to actually interview only 1 GM candidate, turn him away because he doesn't want to work with your head coach, turn away another potential candidate because of the same reason, and then essentially commit to hiring a guy you haven't actually interviewed yet?
To each his own.
Well, if that were the case, then it would seem shortsighted,, but as things turn out,, you are mistaken about everything you just said...
You need to check your facts spec, some of us on here actually don't fall things that aren't accurate.. and you aren't.
So, with that, NO, it isn't stupid.
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We haven't given anyone the GM position yet..what are you freaking out about?
Kokinis is going to be interviewed this weekend or next week......then the decision will be made..why not just say you don't want the guy?
We literally don't have another candidate after Heckert pulled out today. I think you would call Kokinis' interview a formality. The job is his unless he completely bombs the interview. Please tell me how that is vetting Kokinis vs. other possibilities.
I can understand putting your faith in Mangini now but the front office? Seriously?
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But ( had to be one ) If I'm the guy ( Lerner ) who is calling the shots , and I know there are going to be the " Oh my God " by a bunch of folks >> Then why not have the brace b--ls and step up to the mike an introduce " Your Man " ????
Lerner is not an on-camera guy. I think since he's owned the Browns he's spoken on camera maybe twice, maybe not even that much. He was at the presser, he just had Keenan intro the coach. Lerner was, I believe, scheduled to do print media interviews after the presser, but, again, nothing on camera. (at least the post-presser interviews was something I heard somewhere, could be wrong)
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It's okay for Pioli to hire a HC ( something he's NEVER done without interviewing ANYBODY ELSE ), but after Lerner has experience under his belt in this department, it's NOT okay that he did it AFTER interviewing one GM guy and three other HC candidates.
You missed the point. The one GM guy he interviewed is NOT the one he hired. I don't care who recommends him, I don't care how much praise your coach sings about him, to essentially guarantee him the job without an actual interview or competition is foolish.
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both analizing the offensive needs and defensive holes..
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. At-least i'm no the only one here who's mind is sometimes in the gutter. 
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U don't understand much about me..I'm cautious..just as I would be if Pioli were here with Ferentz..
I look at it this way..
With the combos we have..only one comes with a experienced coach..only one duo would make me crack a smile..Heckert/Spags..
I said day one I wanted a HC with experience...ain't budging from that..
But I don't know how Spags would do as a HC..
Plus if those two were here , they would go to a 43 ..ya know what that means?
A rebuild...
So what I'm banking on is EM being experienced and knowing how he wants to build his 34 ..yes running the same D..but with different specs..
Get the GM in here who will work..I said work..with him and get the players he wants..
So I'm not fretting and busting any gaskets ...I'll watch and see how it procedes and give my thoughts as things develop.
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