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I agree with you on that...but ya think they should do that considering all of the other holes they have to fill...????? And if they do, I guess that means that they draft one, or go after one in FA, huh...????
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Bodden isn't a speedster either..
I do know Oakland had SPEED on defense.
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Bodden was always VERY physical with Chad Johnson and many others, to the point I was always afriad of his drawin P.I. calls... but I always though of Bodden as more of a Zone CB and not so much a Man Coverage guy.
He might fit the scheme, but he wouldn't be my first choice to fit into the budget.
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If we can get him cheap I say go for it. I always kinda liked him, but I also like Robert Griffith too. So much for my opinion.
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He was servicable..but he was very tight in the hips..he was more physical than Wright/McDonald but he was not always able to run with his man..it's why he was often played off speed recievers...
Screw Bodden...We're gonna need help at Corner but there's options...And solid ones...
Holly's a FA...So he's a ???
Daniels is a FA...He's a ???
Cousin's signed thru 2009...If anything he's a #5...
FA...Aso is a pipedream...No way do we need to blow that amount of cap on him...Not necessary...
Dunta Robinson is the FA who's an option...He's been flippin' between starting and nickel...Had a torn ACL that slowed him this year...We need depth more than anything and Robinson would provide us 3 deep...Holly's a wildcard because we just have no idea what these guys will think about him...
We could really use some SIZE also...At 6' 1" Jenkins fits the bill at 5...
This very well might come down to a choice between Curry and Jenkins...We can't go wrong with either...
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Well, personally I'm hoping that if Ryan becomes the DC then he can bring Asomugua (not sure about the spelling) with him from Oakland......he is a free agaent.....I know he will want a BIG payday......but, I think we have some things to offer them......
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"When I first stepped foot in the door, I mean, did I start?" Bodden said. "And then I end up starting. That doesn't make any sense. I don't know what conclusion they had for that. It ain't like I didn't make plays during training camp. I made plays. It was just baffling to me. And from that point, I wasn't happy. ... And it's hard to play when you're unhappy."
Sorry but after statements like that i don't want him back. Another high paid athlete with an over inflated ego.
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"When I first stepped foot in the door, I mean, did I start?" Bodden said. "And then I end up starting. That doesn't make any sense. I don't know what conclusion they had for that. It ain't like I didn't make plays during training camp. I made plays. It was just baffling to me. And from that point, I wasn't happy. ... And it's hard to play when you're unhappy."
Sorry but after statements like that i don't want him back. Another high paid athlete with an over inflated ego.
I agree.......the hell with him....  ......like someone stated earlier, if nothing else, go after Dunta Robinson.......but I wouldn't go after Jenkins in the 5th.....We need Curry to bad for that....
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Sorry but after statements like that i don't want him back. Another high paid athlete with an over inflated ego.
U can thank Mr. Ocho Cinco for that...
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U can thank Mr. Ocho Cinco for that...
U think Ocho Cinco will end up as a Raider or a Cowboy next year.....????
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It had nothing to do with hate. It was simply a matter of Bodden not being any good.
If Bodden was any good, the Lions would keep him. It's not like they have a roster of great players.
Then they got rid Rogers because he stinks too?
I truly believe the coaching, team attitude and organization can have a serious effect on players. It's hard for anyone to be successful in Detroit right now.
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We could really use some SIZE also...At 6' 1" Jenkins fits the bill at 5...
This very well might come down to a choice between Curry and Jenkins...We can't go wrong with either... Whhhhaaat the? U want a corner early??  Usually we butt heads about corners...interesting..before I stamp Curry..I want to see the rankings..there are 3-5 solid corners in this draft.. Jenkins OSU 6'1 201
Mickens Cincinnati 6' 0 190
Davis Illinois 6' 0 204 ?
Harris VT 6'0 192
Did Davis declare? I'd still like Curry..but if he's not a top 5 pick..then we need the BPA..or we need to trade down and aquire another pick.
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We don't need any more CB's named Mickens!! 
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V. Davis declared.
He scares me though. I've read different things on him that say while he is one of the most athletically gifted corners he doesn't work very hard to improve his game.
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hehe...I'm sifting down and was like not believing nobody picked up on that. 3rd rounder not 5th.
Which just amazes me about Sports Journalist and the shoddy work they do. I mean you are dumping on the team and don't even have the facts right..."you" meaning the journalist. Man...our posters better get it right and we don't get paid...lol 
On the thread...Bodden would be our Nickel if he can beat out Holly both not being the most reliable regarding injuries. Problem is I'm sure he'll be looking for starting CB money and I'm sure there will be a team without 2 starters like ours who will pay for it.
But as for the trade...yep, we sure got the better of that one.
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I like 5 guys M. Jenkins, A. Curry, Taylor Mays, B. Wells, and R. Maualauga...which is good cause we got the 5th pick sooo we gotta get one of them.
To whoever said Jenkins is favored cause he is a buckeye, you are totally incorrect why in the world would Scouts Inc., rate him as 97/100 and the highest ranking for a defensive player (Curry is a 97 too) because he is a buckeye...? Are you really saying every scouting department on the internet is full of buckeye homers who favor him? Come on...
Also to the Mays comment, I think he would be a great pickup...Look how Reed, Sanders, and Troy P. impact their team...I think Mays could be as good. Also the Raiders did spend a fairly high pick on Michael Huff (#5 I believe) when Rob Ryan was the DC there, so that could show us he would favor a safety or he might be Huff was BPA.
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Jenkins is the real deal...nothing to do with OSU.
I hope we get him or Mays...Maulauga is a distant 3rd. But 3rd never the less.
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Screw Bodden...We're gonna need help at Corner but there's options...And solid ones...
Shawn Rogers is in the pro bowl.
Bodden was cut.
And Phil was an idiot?
Like I said before, I think Phil brought a lot of talent in here that we do not yet realise. But he and RAC heading in different directions made for a no win situation.
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Jenkins is the real deal...nothing to do with OSU.
I hope we get him or Mays...Maulauga is a distant 3rd. But 3rd never the less.
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Jenkins is so overrated, it´s ridiculous...he´s a great cover-CB with everything you wish in a CB...YES...but this guy just can´t tackle and doesn´t want to...horrible in open space....can´t give him a Top10 grade...they will run all over his side in the NFL and you better hope he isn´t the last man standing and your team needs an open field tackle
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I had no idea that Leigh Bodden had become so full of himself. That's a ton of attitude for a so-so cornerback.
Having said that, if he was willing to come back on a FAIR deal, I'd welcome him. The worst thing that could happen is that he doesn't beat out McDonald and becomes the leagues best nickel-back. The best thing that happens is he doesn't get into trouble at the airport and beats out McDonald, giving us a great 1-2-3 punch at corner.
The comment was made that the Lions organization is so screwed players can't play there. To a degree, that's accurate. However, players like Rogers who are somewhat fickle often need a change of scenery because they are also partially responsible for their circumstances. I don't know what happened to Bodden to cause him not to start, but there was likely a good reason. Marinelli just wasn't a good enough coach to handle it right, so the uppity Bodden got bent.
If he demands big money, he can go somewhere else. We simply can't afford to pay top-dollar to a very average, up-and-down corner.
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Jenkins can tackle. I know. I've watched him every game since he's been at OSU. That being said, I still don't want him.
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We need help on the Defensive Line and the LB position more than anything
McDonald, Wright, and Holly are fine corners..they are good enough to win with and is not our primary concern. These 3 guys are all good enough IF we had a defensive line/lb(front 7) that is able to pressure the QB
if we draft Jenkins or any other Corner with our 1st rd pick I will be against Mangini from the get go.
Drafting a corner when your LB core and your DL is serious need of upgrading shows me that Mangini and Romeo are cut from the samle cloth and there will be no change to this football team
we are 2 LB and a DL away from having a pretty darn good defense...why draft a corner?
don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind us grabbing a corner in the 4th or 5th rd...but not within the top 3 picks
it Mangini has "any" Brains whatsoever, our draft should look something like this in the 1st 3rds
1st pick: Best DL or LB on the board
2nd pick: Best DL or LB on the board(Depending on 1st pick...LB here if you took DL 1st, else DL here if you took LB 1st)
3rd pick: Best LB on the board
We may be able to sign 1 mid tier FA LB...along with 2 drafted ones, we will have a decent LB, with a DL to add to help shore up this front 7....I don't care if you put Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders, Carnell Lake, and Eric Turner back there in our secondary..the way our Front 7 gets zero pash rush, they would be toast.....
Defensive Front 7 in the 1st 3rds please...im sick of losing because we can't stop the run and can't rush the passer....football games are won in the trenchs
Great Front 7 and Mediocre Corners = winning football games...Corners won't have to cover as long, QB make mistakes when pressured and rattled...this is not brain science
if we draft a corner in the 1st rd, you may as well not even watch a game next year because we will STINK and it will show me that Mangini and this new regime still doesn't get "it"
Minniefiled and Dixon were so good because we had a front 7 that could pressure...it doens't take brain surgery to figure this out...please Mangini I beg you for the love of God...don't draft a corner in the1st 3 picks..our Front 7 is freaking swiss cheese! outside of Rodgers
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Attack -
your analysis for identifying a good corner sounds like somehing out of a video game. Judge corners on technique, footwork, and a pass rush. The browns corners leave such a big cushion as you mentioned because they want to keep the play in front of them. We have no pass rush. If they tighten up the coverage, there is no way they can cover long enough with our rush and will be chasing their man for a long six on the scoreboard.
Wright only played 20 collegiate games. He has very good technique; however, is a little enamored with making the "big play". Give him a pass rush and experience and he will be just fine. McD had his ups and downs, but he was a 5th round pick out of little Memphis two years ago. He got thrown to the wolves this year on a 4-12 team. Enough said. He would be a quality nickel back.
Bodden would unseat McD if he was here, but its not a good fit. Corners make big money in free agency, look at Nate Clements.
Lastly, another example of how celebrities get bad raps. "Bodden is a punk because he was upset he wasnt starting." If you have ever played sports on any level, you also probably got upset if you didn't start. And that didn't make you a punk. Bodden was traded for Detroit's best player (Rogers) and I'm sure he expected to start. Just because he was honest about his expectations does not make him a punk.
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This'll be interesting. Will Attack rip him to shreds or just ignore him? I'm thinking rip him to shreds.
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Bodden is no Clements. I would be surprised if anyone agreed to pay Bodden big money. He's a CB being released from a team that had 4 interceptions all year, and no wins. I don't think he'll command much money.
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There's a lot there to rip!  Including the fact we lack ANY real physical CB. The league overall is getting very large WR's with speed. We have nobody that can measure up that type of WR from a physical perspective. But I'll bow to ATTACK and let him do it. Because mentioning ATTACK's opinion being compared to "video game logic"? He deserves the chance to do the ripping based on that alone....... 
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This'll be interesting. Will Attack rip him to shreds or just ignore him? I'm thinking rip him to shreds.
Why would he rip him to shreds? His post made sense. He may be jumping to conclusions about Attack because he possibly hasn't read a lot of his post. Then again maybe he has and they have an on going battle on the other board. Naw, that never happens..
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I think that when you look at the past superbowl champs, you can't find the shutdown, big, fast, play making corners.
Giants
Colts
Steelers
Pats
Bucs
All those defense were built on a strong front seven. Spending high picks or top dollar for a CB, to me would be irresponsible. Beef the pas rush up, thats the recipe for a super bowl winning defense, not flashy corners.
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with the way the current rules are that favor the passing game most teams play zone coverage most of the time anyway.
Wright
McDonald
Holly
Bodden? ( if he isn't too demanding)
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I think that when you look at the past superbowl champs, you can't find the shutdown, big, fast, play making corners.
Giants
Colts
Steelers
Pats
Bucs
All those defense were built on a strong front seven. Spending high picks or top dollar for a CB, to me would be irresponsible. Beef the pas rush up, thats the recipe for a super bowl winning defense, not flashy corners.
I wasn't aware Bob Sanders, Rodney Harrison, Troy Polamalu, John Lynch, and Ronde Barber were part of the front 7.
Hehe, I'm just messing with you.
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I think that when you look at the past superbowl champs, you can't find the shutdown, big, fast, play making corners.
Giants
Colts
Steelers
Pats
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All those defense were built on a strong front seven. Spending high picks or top dollar for a CB, to me would be irresponsible. Beef the pas rush up, thats the recipe for a super bowl winning defense, not flashy corners.
I wasn't aware Bob Sanders, Rodney Harrison, Troy Polamalu, John Lynch, and Ronde Barber were part of the front 7.
Hehe, I'm just messing with you.
Only one of those was a corner, and Ronde Barber is one of the all-time best.
you had a good run Hank.
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I know, dude. I was just messing with him. He placed an emphasis on the front 7.
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On the business side..................
FA CB's cost a LOT more than FA LBer's.
Sooooo, IF you can address LB in the FA market and draft a CB, you come out WAY AHEAD in cap space as a result.
Just pointing out the obvious here......
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I think most of us just ignored the snafu. Not sure how the proof readers can let stuff like that slide.
What is up with status of Holly? What is his contract status? Anyone hear how is health is? What was his injury again? If Holly is healthy I would prefer him to Bodden.
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Yet you would have been fine with a college coach?
Go figure........
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Go figure........
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1st how does this relate to my post?
2nd I never said anything about being fine with a college coach. Though I don't remember ever specifically stating I was against hiring a college coach I have pointed out in several posts that the qualities of a good college coach and a good NFL coach are not the same (though certainly there is some overlap). But I am certain I never advocated hiring a college coach.
I am not now nor have I ever been in favor of or even fine with hiring a college coach. I am fine with hiring a 1st time coach from the coordinator ranks. With the caveat that he hires experienced coordinators. Feel free to scan my previos posts and to point out where I say anything different.
My preference out of the guys we interviewed was Spagnuolo with Heckert as our GM which I have clearly stated several times in various posts.
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It's really pretty basic. MOST all of these "flavor of the month" GM candidates have never hired a HC. Many, from reports written, had their own HC candidates in mind. So, either Lerner gets a first time HC rammed down his throat, or he takes another road. He took another road. I haven't seen ONE GM candidate that had an experienced NFL HC on their radar. Not a single one..... A good talent evaluater can get your HC what he needs. But a rookie HC on the sideline leading a team? Every down, every practice, every training camp, dicipline and leadership of your team lays squarely in the lap of your HC. It just amazes me that 9 out of the last 11 winners of the SB were coached by a guy with his second team in the NFL as a HC. Yet so many ignore that part of this equasion to justify bellyaching over something that they have no way of knowing how it will play out. I find it very......... 
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