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That I'll be in the war room with Eo,Dnd,Pit and Mourg on draft day.. 
Man! You weren't supposed to tell anybody! They may take our passes away now!
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Kardiac, we are still coming out of a very poor start as a restored team with very poor management and weak coaching...Palmer was not a good start and Policy was a disaster. Look at our past and and you will see a string of dysfunctional leadership that killed our player development and hurt our chances to win. B. Davis was not a good choice as HC and didn't get along with the players...RAC was not really in change and even though we had talent we struggled.
“If you don’t have the chemistry right in the building, you don’t have any chance, because if you have any adversity, the wheels come off.”
Sound familar...as soon as we have any injuries or problems we start losing. We just need the HC and GM to work together and motivate the players.
The real reason Balt and Pitt are winning is they have a QB and the HC/GM is making the right decisions to keep the players believing. That is what made us win last year...an offensive line and a QB that can get the ball to the WRs. The players believed and we won some games. This year we had injuries and lost our team leaders. Our coaches didn't make adjustments during the season. We had injuries and Edwards couldn't catch and RAC didn't make adjustments...4-12.
We can win with this talent if the HC/GM can make adjustments during the season and motivate the players. Team unity is just as important as talent or coaching.
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Me thinks you are placing too much thought into the GM motivating the players.. that's the HC and his staff.. The GM,, no matter what else is said, probalby doesn't have much of a voice in the locker room.... JMO however
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I think he meant, the GM having an effect on motivation by making the right/correct personnel moves.
But I'm just butting in, and maybe shouldn't,...DG ??
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I think he meant, the GM having an effect on motivation by making the right/correct personnel moves.
LOL, if that's what he meant,, then I'm really confused... which by the way, shouldn't surprise anyone 
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He means by drafting and obtaining players via FA who don't need a good kick in the butt every sunday to be motivated. The "lack of motivation" crap RAC recieves is just that.........crap. You shouldn't bring people in who have to be baby sat not to be complacent or lazy. Sorry guys that's not on RAC, but that was on Phil for picking guys with low character and work ethic.
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Personally I like the idea of a guy coming in that is good at evaluating real NFL talent. "Draft experts" are a dime a dozan.
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Wouldn't surprise me if it were a done deal...
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Makes sense... he was probably a done deal before the 1st interview. 
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Makes sense... he was probably a done deal before the 1st interview.
Unless you're calling Lerner a liar, that's simply not true.....
''If George Kokinis is the right guy, he's getting hired,'' Lerner said by telephone Friday afternoon from his Long Island home. But he added, ''I'm not rubber-stamping anything,'' and said he won't hire Kokinis on Sunday night.
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Spec has it in his head that this was a done deal the moment that Mangini was hired.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.. my question is, SO WHAT?
If it works, Lerner will look like a hero, a visionary leader. If it doesn't, he'll look exactly as he does now. He has nowhere to go but up. So why not roll the dice on a GM if you believe in your new HC as much as he seems to.
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The only real point I was trying to make was........that there are things we have been told about. We have something "from the horses mouth" to back that up.
Much of it we don't know. So on that, I understand there's speculation from varying points of view. So with that in mind, to believe it was a "done deal" would go against quoted statements by Lerner himself to the contrary.
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I knew what you mean Pit...
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The only real point I was trying to make was........that there are things we have been told about. We have something "from the horses mouth" to back that up.
Much of it we don't know. So on that, I understand there's speculation from varying points of view. So with that in mind, to believe it was a "done deal" would go against quoted statements by Lerner himself to the contrary.
Do you realize how ridiculous he would've looked if he came out and said "I haven't interviewed George Kokinis yet but, based on strong recommendations from Eric Mangini and Ernie Accorsi and in accordance with my master plan, unless he completely flubs the interview, the job is his."?
Regardless, I said at the time that Kokinis was the guy right off the bat, even before the interview, and there was a reason that after Heckert dropped out, we didn't line up one single interview. I'll stand by that given that there's 0 evidence to the contrary. Was it pure speculation and inference based on things I read? You're damn right it was, but how much fun would this be if we all just took things at face value without trying to dig a little deeper than the surface?
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Great news about the interview and upcoming one. Randy did his share of interviews.
As for having Kokinis all picked as the guy after the hire of Mangini. It was pretty much that way. Don't forget one of his confidant in this entire procedure was his friend Accorsi. Accorsi had already pegged Kokinis as one of 3 bright up comer GM candidates for the Falcons to interview...they canceled all interviews after they met with Dimitroff. Kokinis never did get a meeting with them.
But he was high on Randy's list coming into this whole thing.
When Mangini became available and the fact was made that Kokinis was his friend and #1 choice on working with together to get this done. I'm sure had a say in the deal breaker regarding Mangini as well.
Never put all your eggs in one basket. So until Kokinis was interviewed and hand shakes were made It was not a DONE DEAL. Now it pretty much is.
But I'm sure Randy's mind was already leaning towards Kokinis when he had his interview with Pioli.
Anyway it looks like we got all the tools in place...
Somebody Wake Me up in a year or so when we are ready to take this baby all the way.
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So you believe Lerner is a liar. Well that explains a LOT!
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But I'm sure Randy's mind was already leaning towards Kokinis when he had his interview with Pioli.
Now THAT I'll buy into. Lerner even said if he felt Coke was the guy, the job was his. So yes, I believe he was "the favorite" going in.
But I do not believe it was a "foregone conclusion". Lerner stated that if he didn't think he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't be hired.
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I think he meant, the GM having an effect on motivation by making the right/correct personnel moves.
LOL, if that's what he meant,, then I'm really confused... which by the way, shouldn't surprise anyone
As I explained more in depth in the Willie interview thread, Maybe its hard for a coach to discipline the players when the players know that the coach isnt the one calling the shots.
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Browns to interview Harris for GM post Updated: 1/15/2009 5:26:36 AM CLEVELAND -- Channel 3 Sports has learned the Browns have scheduled an interview tomorrow with James Harris, the former vice president of player personnel of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Browns have been looking for a GM since firing Phil Savage last month. Eric Mangini was recently hired to take over as head coach of the Browns. Harris resigned from his position with the Jaguars following a disappointing 5-11 season. This came after a 2008 season where Jacksonville went 11-5 and lost in the second round of the playoffs to the New England Patriots. Gene Smith was promoted from executive director of college and pro personnel to take over Harris' former position. Harris is a former NFL quarterback drafted in the eighth round of the 1969 draft out of Grambling State University. He played in the pros from 1969-1981 with the Buffalo Bills, Los Angeles Rams and San Diego Chargers. http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=105087
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Wonder if this means that Kokinis isn't a done deal  Or is this just Lerner doing his due diligence?
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Wonder if this means that Kokinis isn't a done deal
Or is this just Lerner doing his due diligence?
I hope he is just making people happy and this isn't really anything serious.....somebody from Jacksonville...C'MMOOONN MAANNNN.....may as well get somebody from Detroit......I hear Millen is looking for a GM job..... 
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I hear Millen is looking for a GM job.....
Yeah with Braylons hands, we could stand to draft a few dozen first round Receivers
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I hope he is just making people happy and this isn't really anything serious.....somebody from Jacksonville...C'MMOOONN MAANNNN.....may as well get somebody from Detroit
I'm not thrilled at this idea, but lets get real, Jacksonville is SO NOT close to the Detroit level of badness.
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Ahh, who knows, it could be nothing more than leverage or misdirection.
Besides, didn't I read somewhere in one of the Grossi articles that Lerner is in England visiting his Aston Villa team this wee and won't be back until the week end? I thought for sure I read that somewhere...
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CLEVELAND -- Channel 3 Sports has learned the Browns have scheduled an interview tomorrow with James Harris, the former vice president of player personnel of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Interesting...if he's hired..then Lerner is looking for someone to be over or be with the new GM and coach..
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Interesting...if he's hired..then Lerner is looking for someone to be over or be with the new GM and coach..
So you think there will be another layer or additional person? as in, not a replacement for Kokinis? more as a guy between Mangini/Koks and Lerner?
That doesn't sound like that's what lerner was talking about.. sounds to me that he's someone that he's looking at instead of Koks!
But I could be wrong... just guessing
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I didn't see any quotes from Lerner in that article..  I am theorizing what may happen.. Lerner could still hire Coke..and yet have someone over him..Harris could well be interviewed for the GM job..but he could have another role in the Browns organization..and since he resigned..he could hired to do anything..no constraints.
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Wonder if this means that Kokinis isn't a done deal
Or is this just Lerner doing his due diligence?
Or... it means that Lerner is getting nervous about Kokinis not taking the job, especially with a delay until after the Super Bowl if the Ravens win this weekend, so he's checking out backup plans. Do you really think he's looking at someone like Shack Harris as a legitimate option OVER Kokinis? No chance. The man "resigned" for a reason. Look at Jacksonville's 1st rounders while he was VP of Player Personnel...
2003: Byron Leftwich
2004: Reggie Williams
2005: Matt Jones
2006: Marcedes Lewis
2007: Reggie Nelson
2008: Derrick Harvey
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I don't recall me asking you to comment either. 
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I did though..you whine about everything.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but when I have a problem with something, I'm allowed to comment on it. Believe it or not, this is a message board... you know, where people can post their ideas and SHOULD be able to speak freely without having others jump down their throat, even if they disagree. Imagine that... free speech on the internet.
I'm sorry I don't want to see us hire a GM who just got canned because he drafted just about nothing but busts and underachievers in the 1st round since he started in 2003 and whose team has won 1 more playoff game than we have since he took over (that would be 1 total in 6 years). Just pour me some of that Kool-Aid, give me some of your sunshine and lollipops so that way I can agree with bringing in a guy who barely has done better than Phil Savage... you know... the guy that WE just fired.
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That's as legit a theory as any other one that's been floated.... who the heck knows at this point.
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You will have a "problem" with ANYONE that isn't Pioli and since he has taken another job, you will continue to complain. You complained the Lerner wasn't "vetting" enough for you. You clomplained and stated that he wouldn't interview anyone else. Now, even though Lerner has stated that Coke wasn't a done deal (though he was obviously the front runner after the interview with Pioli and based on Accorsi's reccommendation) and has contacted other candidates and is interviewing others, try so spin this to stil make it look like your "reading between the lines" was right. Were you so in love with Pioli tht you refuse to see that Lerner is doing exactly what you claimed he wasn't?
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"But I do not believe it was a "foregone conclusion". Lerner stated that if he didn't think he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't be hired."
For arguments sake...but I'm not going to make any more arguments regarding the subject cause it is pretty trivial. You are taking the words spoken by Randy too literally. And he wasn't lying those words would be true. Cause up to that point he never had a one on one interview with Kokinis just positive feedback by two people that he evidently respected with knowledge of the NFL....Accorsi and then Mangini.
But don't forget when Savage first came on board Kokinis was expected to be the Right Hand Man for Savage...I'm sure Randy got his intro to Kokinis way back then. The Ravens promoted Kokinis and let McCreighton become available instead.
So true, if Kokinis was not the guy obviously he wasn't going to hire him just on the word of Mangini. But he was the guy from Savage. He was the guy from Accorsi (which weighed big time) - What I'm saying is the words are true. But if you think for one moment that Randy didn't already KNOW HE's the right man. As in "GUT FEELING" which you already recognize as something you do believe. But all the other interviews have been done in a safeguard of the Worst Case Scenario type. So we would calmly and rationally move on if for some reason the Kokinis thing fell through.
JMHO as mentioned totally trivial. Cause you already said you could believe in that. Just you want to hold onto the literal translation of what Randy said as to mean it wasn't known to him to be the real deal. Once Pioli was not considered as the primary guy...that told me he was sold on the "PROSPECTS" of Kokinis being the guy.
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you know, where people can post their ideas and SHOULD be able to speak freely without having others jump down their throat, even if they disagree. Imagine that... free speech on the internet.
Free speach or free crying..which is it? All you've done is moan and groan..fact is since it's not Pioli, you can't do anything else but complain..so if you get some feedback don't be shocked..I said I was going to watch how it plays out..because I can't change whats been done. As far as Harris goes..he's being interviewed..didn't say he was hired..but interviewed and in what capacity it wasn't stated..so before you spike your blood pressure (and that goes for BrownsZ ) WATCH the process .. Kool Aid..haaa..I'll take a whine cooler..and you can have none of it..   The difference is I don't take this stuff as serious as you do..
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"I hope he is just making people happy and this isn't really anything serious."
I think that we got time why not utilize it and dot our "i"s and cross our "t"s.
Also there is no assurance that McCreighton is going to stay. With all these GM openings out there he might bolt, or he might feel better with a change in organization, or our new FO not pleased with his contributions. Whatever.
Possibly these interviews might say GM in the press releases. But possibly will lead to a hire in a contributing role in our FO organization???
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Coach - stop trying to goad me into arguments that we've had 2 or 3 times... I swear, this has to give you some kind of kick, because you keep beating this exact same topic to death. I don't want to fight with all you guys on the boards, I want to be able to post my opinion and have people disagree without instantly jumping on the offensive. I fail to see how I'm asking the world here.
If you had actually read my posts, I've already said that if Randy had conducted a more extensive interview process and came to the Mangini/Kokinis team, I'd be fine and I'm not bent on having Pioli either, I just liked his resume. I'm not necessarily concerned about that pairing yet, I'm concerned how he got to that point. That's great that you disagree and I respect the fact that you do, but you don't need to keep reminding me of it with every other post.
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