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Browns Head Coach Eric Mangini has named his three coordinators.
On Wednesday night, the team announced the hirings of offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and Brad Seely as assistant head coach/special teams coordinator.
All three worked with Mangini on the Patriots' staff from 2000-2003 before Ryan departed to become Oakland's defensive coordinator. In those four seasons in New England, Mangini led the defensive backs, Daboll was a defensive assistant and then wide receivers coach, Ryan guided the linebackers and Seely coached the special teams unit.
Mangini was with the Patriots until becoming the Jets head coach in 2006, and he brought Daboll to New York in 2007. Seely comes to the Browns after 10 successful years in New England.
"I am extremely pleased to bring three quality people in Brian, Rob and Brad to our coaching staff and to the Cleveland Browns organization," said Mangini. "I know firsthand that all three are very experienced, talented and dedicated coaches who share the same team-first vision and are passionate towards our goal of bringing an NFL championship to Cleveland."
Daboll joins the Browns with 11 years of coaching experience, including nine years in the NFL. A native of Welland, Ontario, Daboll spent the last two seasons with the New York Jets as quarterbacks coach alongside Mangini. In the 2008 season, Daboll played a major role in acclimating future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre to the Jets' offense Favre ranked fifth in the NFL in completion percentage (65.7%), sixth in completions (343), ninth in touchdowns (22) and 11th in passing yards (3,472).
"I could not be more excited to have the opportunity to work for the Cleveland Browns, one of the most storied franchises in the history of the NFL," said Daboll. "Growing up a short drive away, I know how devoted and dedicated Browns fans are. I plan to use the experience I have garnered in my coaching career, on both offense and defense, to craft a tough, smart, hardworking unit."
Ryan brings to the Browns 22 years of coaching experience, including 11 years in the NFL. His defenses in Oakland, where he spent the last five seasons, were aggressive and successful. Derrick Burgess consistently ranked among the league's leading sackers, and the Raiders finished in the top ten in pass defense in each of the last three seasons.
In 2007, Ryan coordinated a Raiders defense that produced two players who ranked in the top-10 in the AFC in sacks as defensive end Derrick Burgess and linebacker Chris Clemons each recorded eight sacks. That season, Ryan's defense ranked third in the NFL in percentage of passes intercepted (4.1%), eighth in the NFL in pass defense (195.8 yards per game), fifth in the AFC in opponent's third down efficiency (39%) and sixth in the AFC in opponent's red zone touchdown percentage (50.9%).
"It's great to be part of the Browns organization and to be reunited with Eric Mangini," said Ryan. "Brian, Brad and myself have accomplished a lot of good things with Eric in the past and I look forward to continuing that in Cleveland. Having been around the game of football my entire life, I have always admired the history and passion associated with this franchise. I am excited to be a part of it and to work with a defense that has a good mix of young players and veterans."
The Browns have a talented and experienced special teams corps, and in Seely they've added a very experienced special teams coordinator to oversee them.
"Eric and I have forged a relationship over the last ten years and I look forward to continuing that with the Browns," said Seely. "The Browns are very special. Having been in the NFL for many years, I am very aware of how important the team is to the city of Cleveland and its place in the NFL."
Seely brings to the Browns 20 years of NFL coaching experience. He spent the last ten seasons as the Patriots' special teams coach and, like Daboll and Mangini, celebrated three Super Bowl championships as a member of the Patriots staff.
Seely's Patriots teams excelled in the kicking game - they won two Super Bowls on Adam Vinatieri field goals - and also in the return game, where a variety of different return men brought big-play ability and changed games with touchdown returns.
Patriots third-year kicker Stephen Gostkowski is going to the Pro Bowl next month after leading the NFL with a career-best 148 points and 36 field goals. Gostkowski also tied for sixth in the league with 17 touchbacks. The 2008 Patriots also featured kick returner Ellis Hobbs, who ranked second in the NFL with a 28.5 kickoff return average and returned a kickoff 95 yards for a touchdown.
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Glad to see them confirmed.
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Sweet. Welcome to Cleveland fellas. 
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Yup, welcome to Cleveland,,, now get to work
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Good read, thanks for posting. I love the Ryan pick. Seely sounds good but I can't say I know much about him. The odd man out on this one and certainly the one I have reservations about is Daboll. Quote:
Daboll joins the Browns with 11 years of coaching experience, including nine years in the NFL. A native of Welland, Ontario, Daboll spent the last two seasons with the New York Jets as quarterbacks coach alongside Mangini. In the 2008 season, Daboll played a major role in acclimating future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre to the Jets' offense Favre ranked fifth in the NFL in completion percentage (65.7%), sixth in completions (343), ninth in touchdowns (22) and 11th in passing yards (3,472).
Now if Farve is as has been referred to on this site, the cancer that caused the downfall of the Jets late in the season, why are they playing up only the Farve stats as the offering for Daboll's accomplishments for this guys pedigree?
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Welcome, - mediocre, young HC - mediocre at best DC - inexperienced, below AVG OC (anybody else concerned that there´s nobody on this staff that has EVER called a play on offense? all that with a young QB and NFL-record TD-less streak going? Guess it´s just me...oh, and the stat they forgot to mention on Dabolls resume: 1st in INTs) - experienced, above AVG ST Coach Good luck, you´ll need it.... another 4 years of mediocrity here we come  GO BROWNS
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Welcome,
- mediocre, young HC
- mediocre at best DC
- inexperienced, below AVG OC (anybody else concerned that there´s nobody on this staff that has EVER called a play on offense? all that with a young QB and NFL-record TD-less streak going? Guess it´s just me)
- experienced, above AVG ST Coach
Good luck, you´ll need it....
another 4 years of mediocrity here we come
GO BROWNS
You, no I, nor anyone else has any idea how this will work, so please save your "Woe is me" garbage.
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you had a good run Hank.
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What I'm liking here is the experience they all have. Ryan and Seely both have multiple years at their coaching positions. Daboll, while not being a OC, has quite a few years under his belt in the NFL also.
They are all familiar with each other, and are familiar with the system that is going to be used. Sounds good, but you never know.
I just want coaches that make the players responsible for their play and ones that can see talent and develop it. IMO, that is what has been lacking from the previous staff. It also appears that they all understand that Mangini is THE guy, and I like that.
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You, no I, nor anyone else has any idea how this will work, so please save your "Woe is me" garbage.
You said it...it´s opinion either way...yet you feel the need to call mine garbage. Did I attack the opinion of anybody?
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You, no I, nor anyone else has any idea how this will work, so please save your "Woe is me" garbage.
You said it...it´s opinion either way...yet you feel the need to call mine garbage. Did I attack the opinion of anybody?
Thanks in advance
Yes I do, because you keep passing your opinion off as fact.
you had a good run Hank.
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What I'm liking here is the experience they all have. Ryan and Seely both have multiple years at their coaching positions. Daboll, while not being a OC, has quite a few years under his belt in the NFL also.
Perception is a funny thing isn´t it?
My biggest problem with this regime is inexperience....they are too young, esp. with Kokinis on board
Think about it...last years regime had more experience in their respective roles than those 4...
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What I'm liking here is the experience they all have. Ryan and Seely both have multiple years at their coaching positions. Daboll, while not being a OC, has quite a few years under his belt in the NFL also.
Perception is a funny thing isn´t it?
My biggest problem with this regime is inexperience....they are too young, esp. with Kokinis on board
Think about it...last years regime had more experience in their respective roles than those 4...
No they didn't.
Romeo had never been a HC, whoever our ST coach was a left over, maybe 2 years? Todd Gratham and Mo Carthon never had any experience running an defense/offense.
you had a good run Hank.
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You, no I, nor anyone else has any idea how this will work, so please save your "Woe is me" garbage.
You said it...it´s opinion either way...yet you feel the need to call mine garbage. Did I attack the opinion of anybody?
Thanks in advance
Yes I do, because you keep passing your opinion off as fact.
I have never understood that comment"???
You aren't smart enough to to distinguish between someones opinion and a fact??
I know yours is just a opinion and far from fact.
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Yes I do, because you keep passing your opinion off as fact.
Where? I am just drawing conclusions from their workload so far in the NFL...and that´s what my opinion is based on. Don´t like it? Ok, and I hope to be wrong...but please do NOT attack and insult an opinion just beacuse you don´t like it...that´s a life lesson right there...take it to heart
I´m a realist you know...if the sun rises at 6:30am 3days in a row it´s more probable that it will do the same on the 4th day than showing up at 4am or 8am....of course there are always "miracles" to believe in or other less probable events or variations...and that´s ok with me
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I've seen some pass opinion off as fact, but in this case I agree with you on Django......it should have been seen as opinion.
I also happen to agree with his skepticism of the new regime. Since when does everybody have to line up and do jumping jacks without having reservations about decisions the team makes??
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Ryan is far from a mediocre DC. You'll see it too.
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j/c I'm kinda bummed that we replaced our ST Coach.... I thought we were pretty well set at that spot 
Browns is the Browns
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Welcome,
- mediocre, young HC
- mediocre at best DC
- inexperienced, below AVG OC (anybody else concerned that there´s nobody on this staff that has EVER called a play on offense? all that with a young QB and NFL-record TD-less streak going? Guess it´s just me...oh, and the stat they forgot to mention on Dabolls resume: 1st in INTs)
- experienced, above AVG ST Coach
Good luck, you´ll need it....
another 4 years of mediocrity here we come
GO BROWNS
Inexperianced HCs didnt do too bad in Blatimore and Atlanta. Im not sure how much experiance they had for assitants, but both were first time HCs.
Denver just replaced Shanahan with a 32 year old.
I dont think we can judge a 3-4 defense guy running a system that 2 other guys were trying to put an imprint on. Al Davis and Kiffen both gave Ryan things to do their way, then he called those plays. I wonder if the defense improved or went backwards after Kiffen got fired?
Im satisfied with their experiance.
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No they didn't.
Romeo had never been a HC, whoever our ST coach was a left over, maybe 2 years? Todd Gratham and Mo Carthon never had any experience running an defense/offense.
Ok, just for you...and yes, you should read more carefully next time around
Crennel vs Mangini: both 3 years of HC experience and Crennel had faaar more at DC and in the NFL overall...Crennel gets the nod
OC+DC: Tucker and Daboll is a wash (and did Tucker look like...umm, like a 1st time Coordinator? Expect more of the same with Daboll....just on Offense)....Chud and Ryan...Ryan is more experienced but Chad had 1 pretty good year, which is more than Ryan has on his NFL resume
ST-Coach is a wash too...both Daisher and the new guy have coached ST before in the NFL, didn´t look it up....after all it´s the least important Coach, right?
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I'm glad these steps are done. The Raiders have been bad for some years now...but their D has been good. Even though they've had no O, they've had a tough D. We can only hope that this group winds up being a dream team. 
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I've seen some pass opinion off as fact, but in this case I agree with you on Django......it should have been seen as opinion.
He is already declaring these coaches as mediocre. That is him trying to state his opinion as fact.
I'm not saying he isn't right, I'm saying he doesn't know, just like everyone else, including Lerner, doesn't know for sure.
I don't see why we should say anything more or less like that. I'm not saying that skepticism isn't needed or warranted, because God knows that Randy has opened himself up for it, but you cannot claim coaches mediocre.
As for Django, I misread your quote, and yes, you're correct in stating that last year's staff had more experience.
you had a good run Hank.
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I think I'll just sit on the porch and watch a while... No sense in barking about something, until I can see it.
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We needed a new special teams coach the more this team adjusted to the new st coach the worse they looked.
Now Daboll as OC is a freaking joke. its about as funny as him going from gopher/defensive assistant to WR coach and then to QB coach. I am sure glad he helped all those Jets quarterbacks improve their game lol.
Rob we will see. I gotta feeling we wont be seeing a Rob Ryan defense but instead Romeo version 2.0.
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I think the name Rob Ryan is ringing in people's ears but they're not thinking too hard on it. Sure the D was Oakland was OK but as per NFL.com... "In the five seasons Ryan oversaw Oakland's defense, the Raiders allowed an NFL-worst 101 rushing touchdowns and the second most rushing yards per game at 138.7. Only the Browns were worse, giving up 141.2 yards per game." That's nothing that gets me excited. I'd call that more of the same, sigh..... Web Page
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I don't know about that.They sucked about as bad as what we have now by this article.
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Browns fill out coaching staff with additions of Daboll, Ryan, Seely
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CLEVELAND -- Eric Mangini is rounding up the old gang from New England to coach the Cleveland Browns.
Mangini, who took over in Cleveland only one week after being fired as the New York Jets' head coach, has hired Brian Daboll as his offensive coordinator, Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator and Brad Seely as his special-teams coach.
All four previously worked together with the Patriots from 2000 to 2003.
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Rob Ryan joins Eric Mangini's staff in Cleveland after spending the last five seasons as Oakland's defensive coordinator.
Daboll was Mangini's quarterbacks coach in New York the past two seasons. Ryan came over after five seasons as the Oakland Raiders' defensive coordinator and Seely was the Patriots' special-teams coach for the past 10 seasons.
"I am extremely pleased to bring three quality people in Brian, Rob and Brad to our coaching staff and to the Cleveland Browns' organization," Mangini said in a statement. "I know firsthand that all three are very experienced, talented and dedicated coaches who share the same team-first vision and are passionate towards our goal of bringing an NFL championship to Cleveland."
Daboll spent this past season working closely with likely Hall of Fame QB Brett Favre. Daboll helped Favre get acclimated to New York's offense, which was clicking on full cylinders when the Jets started the season.
In their press release, the Browns pointed out that Favre finished in the top 10 in several statistical categories, but there was no mention that he threw two touchdown passes and nine interceptions as the Jets went 1-4 down the stretch and missed the playoffs. Favre refused to blame a torn biceps for his slide.
Daboll will replace Rob Chudzkinski, whose offense sputtered in 2008 after scoring 402 points as one of the NFL's most explosive units one season earlier. The Browns were done in by injuries and dropped passes as they failed to score an offensive touchdown in their last six games.
"I could not be more excited to have the opportunity to work for the Cleveland Browns, one of the most storied franchises in the history of the NFL," said Daboll, who's from Welland, Ontario. "Growing up a short drive away, I know how devoted and dedicated Browns fans are. I plan to use the experience I have garnered in my coaching career, on both offense and defense, to craft a tough, smart, hardworking unit."
Ryan is the son of Buddy Ryan, the architect of the Chicago Bears' famed 4-6 defense, and the twin brother of Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan. Mel Tucker was Cleveland's defensive coordinator last season.
In the five seasons that Ryan oversaw Oakland's defense, the Raiders allowed an NFL-worst 101 rushing touchdowns and the second-most rushing yards per game at 138.7. Only the Browns were worse, giving up 141.2 yards per game.
The Raiders had a 20-60 record in that span, going through four head coaches, four offensive coordinators, six offensive play-callers and only Ryan as defensive coordinator. Ryan was extremely popular with his players, in part because he steadfastly refused to criticize them in public, and he also got along well with team owner Al Davis.
"It's great to be part of the Browns' organization and to be reunited with Eric Mangini," Ryan said. "Brian, Brad and myself have accomplished a lot of good things with Eric in the past, and I look forward to continuing that in Cleveland."
Seely, who's replacing Ted Dasher, has been an NFL assistant for 20 years and won three Super Bowl rings from his time with the Patriots. This season, New England ranked third in the league in average starting position on kickoffs, and kicker Stephen Gostkowski made the Pro Bowl with a league-leading 148 points and 36 field goals.
"Eric and I have forged a relationship over the last 10 years, and I look forward to continuing that with the Browns," Seely said. "The Browns are very special. Having been in the NFL for many years, I am very aware of how important the team is to the city of Cleveland and its place in the NFL."
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I agree Mourg....there were more competent alternatives out there for their jobs....yet Mangini preferred his inexperienced/failed buds
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I don't know that he's a joke. I think we could have looked a little harder for the OC and DC too... but it's the Mangini show now so let's wait and see.....
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I like Rob Ryan its just, i am starting to get the feeling its gonna be a continuation of the bend dont break
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Yeah, the only good coordinator we got is Seely...Daboll and Ryan are both terrible. I think we could have done alot better at the OC and DC positions.
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Because they didn't defend the rush well? His last two years under Kiffin really hurt as well, before that the Raiders gave up 4.0 yards per rush.
And can anyone think of one Raiders defensive tackle off the top of their head?
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kiffin wanted to make a move to the tampa 2 while sending Ryan packing and replacing him with Monte.
Now Al Davis has his idea of what defense should be ran as well. press on the edge and zone underneath.
So we really have yet to see what Ryan can do but the reason I think it is probably a continuation of the bend dont break is because that is what Mangini's background is in. I just cant see him allowing Ryan to run things his way.
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I'm glad these steps are done. The Raiders have been bad for some years now...but their D has been good. Even though they've had no O, they've had a tough D.
We can only hope that this group winds up being a dream team.
The defense has been a plus for the Raiders with Ryan at the helm, BUT, what intrigues me the most is the fact that we really don't know what Ryan can really do.
I'm sure we all know the stories about their wonderful owner, Mr. Al Davis. Allegedly Davis tinkered with the defensive playcalling a lot, and liked certain coverages called, though Ryan would never admit it and took full responsibility for it all. I don't remember where I read the article, but it was an Oakland reporter who was curious if Ryan was as aggressive as he'd like to have been in Oakland, and wanted to see how things would differ in Cleveland now that he'll be running the show without someone interfering. Allegedly.
The only guy I have reservations about is Daboll, since I don't know a lot about him except what we've been presented with here. I like Mangini, as he's experienced as a HC. Ryan and Seeley are experienced coordinators, but Daboll will be a first time OC. It doesn't mean he'll fail, but I can tell you that as of now, I'm more comfortable with the other 2.
Mangini seems to be a smart man, so I'll have to trust his judgment on this.
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It's another New Beginning , ALL we can do is watch and see what this latest group does  ....Famous Last Words  I Don't Think It Can Get Any Worse....
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Sure it can.... 2 words for you.
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Oh I know.... I thought this season was bad. That would be an atrocity that I couldn't handle.
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I'm glad these steps are done. The Raiders have been bad for some years now...but their D has been good. Even though they've had no O, they've had a tough D.
We can only hope that this group winds up being a dream team.
The defense has been a plus for the Raiders with Ryan at the helm, BUT, what intrigues me the most is the fact that we really don't know what Ryan can really do.
I'm sure we all know the stories about their wonderful owner, Mr. Al Davis. Allegedly Davis tinkered with the defensive playcalling a lot, and liked certain coverages called, though Ryan would never admit it and took full responsibility for it all. I don't remember where I read the article, but it was an Oakland reporter who was curious if Ryan was as aggressive as he'd like to have been in Oakland, and wanted to see how things would differ in Cleveland now that he'll be running the show without someone interfering. Allegedly.
The only guy I have reservations about is Daboll, since I don't know a lot about him except what we've been presented with here. I like Mangini, as he's experienced as a HC. Ryan and Seeley are experienced coordinators, but Daboll will be a first time OC. It doesn't mean he'll fail, but I can tell you that as of now, I'm more comfortable with the other 2.
Mangini seems to be a smart man, so I'll have to trust his judgment on this.
I agree with you on Daboll....while I also am not REAL familiar with him, he will have his hands full with what he has to come in and deal with.....but I'm really curious about Ryan.....I too am a little concerned that this could turn out to be a sequal to the bend but don't break "D" that we have grown so accustomed to seing around here......In Oakland, he has had some playmakers......coming to Cleveland, he will not have near the athletes he had....now, if in fact Davis was calling the shots, and telling him how to run things, then maybe if he gets a chance to unleash HIS style of "D", then it will make our players look better than they have in the past....but numbers don't lie, and his "D" has ranked pretty close to the toilet every year.....I sure hope Mangini knows what the heck he is doing......because so far, it appears that he is just bringing in all of his ol buddies from back in the days at New England......I got my fingers crossed.........
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