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I think EW has spent 2 years with his back to the game. Just running aroung following the receiver wherever he goes and then tackling him. He virtually never gets his head around.
Ive talked to a couple others on this board that have noticed that also. EW plays the WR, not the ball. Ive wondered why this hasnt been corrected or addressed in two seasons. Towards the end of his second season, he was still getting beat in the endzone playing the WR and not the ball. All a WR has to do is make a play on the ball late and not show EW when the ball is coming.
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I think EW has spent 2 years with his back to the game. Just running aroung following the receiver wherever he goes and then tackling him. He virtually never gets his head around.
Ive talked to a couple others on this board that have noticed that also. EW plays the WR, not the ball. Ive wondered why this hasnt been corrected or addressed in two seasons. Towards the end of his second season, he was still getting beat in the endzone playing the WR and not the ball. All a WR has to do is make a play on the ball late and not show EW when the ball is coming.
I'm totally with you on that as well. I can't even count the number of times I would yell "TURN YOUR HEAD!" at the TV while the ball was in the air going his way.
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j/c Don't know if its been said yet but looks like Callahan isn't going to be our OL coach. Quote:
Bill Callahan, who also interviewed for the vacancy when Eric Mangini was fired, was retained as the offensive line coach.
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You mean it actually might have been smart to not have fired the entire staff here like lets say Marshall???
At least if we feel he is a good coach and 2nd best he is here.
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Call Phil Fulmer...he is a good O-line coach and needs a job  A important position no doubt, but I don't think we will have to settle for someone who doesn't know what they are doing. You have to admit it is pretty rare a new staff keeps the old staff...or even portions.
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I agree in a regime change usually there is a clean sweep of firings in staff. And yet, I don't see them in Oakland, Tampa ok, those two probably inhouse.
But what about Detroit, Denver, KC, Jets none of those teams have made a clean sweep of Coaches have they? Not 100% sure of Detroit but the other 3 definite haven't fired everyone.
And yet Rip went to a parallel job I think before we hired Smith as the QB coach. Anthony Lynn our RB coach is now with the Jets. I don't really seeing us hold anyone back that doesn't want to leave here.
As for OL coach...thats the one staff member I have seen more than any other stay with a team after a regime change...If they have a good one that is.
I don't know how to assess Marshall - I do know Mangini wanted Callahan and I can see why. Now what? Marshall has continuity pluses which is always good with OL. Harold Goodwin of the Steelers? Fulmer? 3 years as an OL coach 30 years ago in Whichita??? Well lets say thats a major reach...lol 
I do know I'd like to see us get Dedric Ward here as our WR coach if we don't retain Chandler...Ward works with the Zona Offense.
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We have signed our offensive coordinator (Daboll), QB Coach (Smith), defensive coordinator (Rob Ryan), D-Line coach (Cox), DB coach (Henderson) and special teams coach (Seely). We've also hired Rick Lyle as our assistant strength and conditioning coach and Andy Dickerson as our defensive quality control coach.
That means we still have a bunch of openings on our coaching staff. By my count we still need a RB coach, WR coach, TE coach, O-Line coach, linebackers coach (inside linebacker coach/outside linebacker coach?).
Also, there will also be assistants hired to the assist the assistant coaches.
Any idea who we might bring in? Are we waiting for the Super Bowl to be over to get some guys from the Steelers or Cardinals? Are we waiting for Rex Ryan to decide who he's keeping in New York? Or are we waiting for other coaching staffs to be filled so that we know we can hire from other teams (Bucs, Lions, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos, Rams, etc.)
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"Are we waiting for the Super Bowl to be over to get some guys from the Steelers or Cardinals?"
I think we are waiting for 3 possibilities.
1. Steelers...SB
2. Zona...SB
3. Jets...many on the staff we probably have interest for and need them to be fired before hiring them with no expected compensation.
The re-hiring of Brian S...probably put a Kabosh on a lot of asst. coaches we were thinking might become available. Now I would suspect most of that staff will remain there.
Oh there is a 4th. We are waiting on Oakland to hire a HC  so we can get our LB coach.
The 5th of course is keeping the in house guys. Marshall - OL coaches frequently survive coaching changes.
Wes Chandler WR coach?
We need a RB coach as he left and joined the Jets.
Don't be too shocked if we bring Mo Carthon back as a RB coach (his current position with Zona) Could we be waiting for Goodwin asst. O coach fro the OL job?
If I'm a reporter...I'm camping out at the Airport and see who we are bringing in. Hey if they aren't FEEDING me as reporter...then I'll have to feed myself.
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Don't be too shocked if we bring Mo Carthon back as a RB coach
Is that just a thought or something you have heard??
Are Mangini and Mo buddies?
I don't really care if he is the RB coach because I don't think it matters all that much who is the RB coach, but it would be a little shocking.
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nothing I heard...out of the 3-4 teams around (don't think we would go to the Raiders though for Offense since Ryan is D) he's probably the most experienced and I'm sure his philosophies mesh with Mangini and Daboll.
But I don't think there was contact unless Mo was on Parcell's staff with the Jets when there was that connection of Belicheck staff and Parcell staff...but I believe Daboll was on that staff also. If Mo was there too then there could be a connection.
I would be fine with him as the RB coach. I unlike many here. I thought Mo had a good mind for the game (flow) he did like to run when they played pass and Pass when they played run. He didn't like sitting on a lead either. He was nowhere as bad as people think. So any input as a member of the staff with experience I think would be good as long as he knew his order of power in the organization.
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Posted February 3rd, 2009 by Pat McManamon
It might seem odd that an offensive line coach fired in midsesason comes with good credentials, but that's the story with the guy the Browns hired to coach the linemen. George Warhop will be the Browns line coach, according to several league insiders who said his hiring is a strong one. Warhop spent the last three-and-a-half seasons in San Francisco, and was swept out after seven games of the 2008 season when San Francisco fired Mike Nolan.
Odd as it sounds given the circumstances of his firing, Warhop comes with strong reviews around the league.
He's vocal, demanding and will not hesitate to tell a player where he stands. He also won't hesitate to tell the team what he thinks about an issue or approach. In short, he sounds like an old-school offensive line coach, a gnarly guy who likes his guys to get muddy and dirty and nasty.
Warhop spent five years in Arizona and two in Dallas before joining the 48ers. When he coached the offensive line, Frank Gore became a Pro Bowl back, running for 1,695, 1,102 and 1.036 yards the last three seasons. Why was he let go? One negative: 49ers quarterback T.J. Sullivan was sacked 29 times in seven games.
"I respect George as a coach and I respect his passion and loyalty to the organization," 49ers GM Scott McCloughan said when his release was announced in October. "It was something, looking at the overall scheme of the team, that we thought would help us from here on out this year."
The Browns have not announced Warhop's hiring, but several insiders said the deal is done.
In general, Mangini is getting high marks for his staff. Special teams coach Brad Seely is considered one of the best. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan is considered much better than he could show in Oakland. Defensive line coach Bryan Cox brings the same fire and passion he had as a player with the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. Quarterback coach Carl "Tater" Smith is liked league-wide. The main question about Brian Daboll is that he has never called plays. He knows the style offense Mangini wants to run — "game-based, scheme-based" — but has never been a coordinator in the NFL before. Warhop has more than 20 years of coaching experience, more than 10 in the NFL.
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Thanks for the read... I always thought he was waiting for Callahan to become available for that position.
Hopefully this Warhop is as good as advertise.
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It might seem odd that an offensive line coach fired in midsesason comes with good credentials, but that's the story with the guy the Browns hired to coach the linemen. George Warhop will be the Browns line coach, according to several league insiders who said his hiring is a strong one. Warhop spent the last three-and-a-half seasons in San Francisco, and was swept out after seven games of the 2008 season when San Francisco fired Mike Nolan.
Odd as it sounds given the circumstances of his firing, Warhop comes with strong reviews around the league.
He's vocal, demanding and will not hesitate to tell a player where he stands. He also won't hesitate to tell the team what he thinks about an issue or approach. In short, he sounds like an old-school offensive line coach, a gnarly guy who likes his guys to get muddy and dirty and nasty.
Warhop spent five years in Arizona and two in Dallas before joining the 48ers. When he coached the offensive line, Frank Gore became a Pro Bowl back, running for 1,695, 1,102 and 1.036 yards the last three seasons. Why was he let go? One negative: 49ers quarterback T.J. Sullivan was sacked 29 times in seven games.
"I respect George as a coach and I respect his passion and loyalty to the organization," 49ers GM Scott McCloughan said when his release was announced in October. "It was something, looking at the overall scheme of the team, that we thought would help us from here on out this year."
The Browns have not announced Warhop's hiring, but several insiders said the deal is done.
In general, Mangini is getting high marks for his staff. Special teams coach Brad Seely is considered one of the best. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan is considered much better than he could show in Oakland. Defensive line coach Bryan Cox brings the same fire and passion he had as a player with the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. Quarterback coach Carl "Tater" Smith is liked league-wide. The main question about Brian Daboll is that he has never called plays. He knows the style offense Mangini wants to run — "game-based, scheme-based" — but has never been a coordinator in the NFL before. Warhop has more than 20 years of coaching experience, more than 10 in the NFL.
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I like the sound of "strong coaching staff." Gee...isn't that what Pittsburgh and Baltimore have?
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Ammo, are you new here? We don't quote an entire article just to respond.. "Sounds good!"
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Somebody didnt use thier spell check......48ers
Figures you'd find that
Honestly, I don't think it's odd that a guy gets fired from one team and hired by another.. I can think of one guy we fired as an OC,,, and since leaving, he's gotten two superbowl rings, one as the OC.... Does the name Bruce Ariens mean anything to anyone..
Call me crazy, but it sure looked as if he called a pretty good game Sunday.. I guess it helps when the players execute doesn't it
I'm not sure of the talent on the 40-ateers line. But I know that our left side seems solid and our Center is probably considered more than servicable. it's the right side that has me a little scared.
We could put Russ Grimm in there to coach the Oline and without some talent on the right side,, he's gonna have issues...
I wish him well,, welcome aboard!
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Ammo, are you new here? We don't quote an entire article just to respond.. "Sounds good!"
I added more than that. But if you want me to go further in depth...
The fact that all of our hires have some very good credibility around the league tells me a lot about the strength of our coaching staff now vs. the strength of Romeo's 2005 coaching staff.
Daboll and Carthon both have the same question marks surrounding them...but I like to believe Daboll's offensive background is stronger than Carthon's. I believe Carthon to be a "Parcells guy" while Daboll is a "Belichick guy post-Cleveland."
As much as I love Parcells' ability to pick players, I believe the game has passed him by. One of the things that struck me was after the Cowboys signed T.O. and Parcells immediately said "You're not going to catch 100 balls in this offense...you're just not."
Well why the hell won't you get the ball to your best offensive players?
I'm also encouraged by "scheme for each game."
Nnamdi Asomgua's interview with Reghi told me a ton about where Rob Ryan's gonna be taking this team. "There's only one way to play defense in Oakland and that's man-to-man (translation: Al Davis handcuffed him)...him and Mangini will be on the same page."
I don't know enough about Carl Smith or the others but I like that they're highly regarded.
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As much as I love Parcells' ability to pick players, I believe the game has passed him by. One of the things that struck me was after the Cowboys signed T.O. and Parcells immediately said "You're not going to catch 100 balls in this offense...you're just not."
Huh? 
After he took over a 1-15 team, and chose the HC, got the talent, and won the division the first year, the same division that features the Pats?
Football doesnt pass guys up, The Cowboys arent the talent laden team they are today without him. And the Phins are prolly at 4-12 again without him.
I dont think you can compare Carthon, Parcells and Daboll, as they have signifagant diff circumstances and resume's.
Let's be honest, Daboll will go as far as Quinn does, if Quinn pans out Daboll looks good, if Quinn busts, we're toast.
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As much as I love Parcells' ability to pick players, I believe the game has passed him by. One of the things that struck me was after the Cowboys signed T.O. and Parcells immediately said "You're not going to catch 100 balls in this offense...you're just not."
Huh?
After he took over a 1-15 team, and chose the HC, got the talent, and won the division the first year, the same division that features the Pats?
Football doesnt pass guys up, The Cowboys arent the talent laden team they are today without him. And the Phins are prolly at 4-12 again without him.
I dont think you can compare Carthon, Parcells and Daboll, as they have signifagant diff circumstances and resume's.
Let's be honest, Daboll will go as far as Quinn does, if Quinn pans out Daboll looks good, if Quinn busts, we're toast.
Parcells acquired the groceries.
Who COACHED them? Sparano.
BIG difference, even if they come from the same tree. Have you ever seen Parcells run the Wildcat? I haven't.
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As much as I love Parcells' ability to pick players, I believe the game has passed him by.
You wanna explain that to the Dolphins cause I don't think they got the memo
Seriously, coaching may be something that Parcells never does again.. but as a GM,, Evaluator of talent both as players and coaches... I don't know man, look around, I'd say that overall, he's done very well. Not to mention that he's been to three superbowls and one two... not a bad record if you ask me. I don't think much gets past him at all...
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Well why the hell won't you get the ball to your best offensive players?
I think Parcells took that approach with TO for two reasons.. 1. So there would be NO misunderstandings as to his status with the team and 2 Because the offense they ran didn't call for one guy to be the star.
Don't forget, TO had just come from a real mess in Philly... and his rep was pretty badly damaged. No way Parcells takes that guy into his organization without laying down the law first......
At this stage of the game, we've got only the reputation of the guys involved to go on. In some cases they are great..
Overall, if Mangini likes them, and he's picking them cause they will do what he sees as being right and koks can get them guys that can execute, then that is all that counts for the moment.
Tell ya what however.. this whole hiring process has a much different feel to it than the last time we turned the staff over. No pithy statements,, no Ra Ra.. nobody talking about all the rings they have. nothing but rolling up thier sleeves and getting to work.
Actually, not much talking at all
That's very very much a Cleveland type mentality!
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Yes, I'll explain the Dolphins.
Parcells picked the players. I never, EVER said he lost his touch when it comes to picking players. Not once. I also think he has tremendous touch when it comes to hiring quality assistants and (in this case) assembling a full coaching staff...it says a lot when Parcells didn't let Mo call the plays.
With the Dolphins, I know Parcells had a lot to do with acquiring the personnel and would offer his ideas...but I don't think he came up with the Wildcat, for example.
I DO think he's lost his touch when it comes to being a head coach, however. Some of that has to do with his "old school mentality." There is something that can be said for old school grit, but the NFL is a young man's league.
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Not to be too picky, but you said that game had passed him by and I don't think that's even close to accurate..
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I knew it wasn't Callahan...as he committed already with the Jets. This left some Asst OL coaches on some Playoff teams. And I couldn't figure which one as OL play wasn't really a strength with either team in the SB.
This hire is just fine. Plenty of experience and probably his Run mentality didn't mesh with Martz so he went...before Singletary impressed and demanded on Martz conforming to his O mentality....then fired Martz as one of his first actions as HC.
All I know is the 49ers had one of the worst OLs talent wise. Its tough to coach No Talent. Look at Marshall in Houston...His OLs led the NFL year after year in sacks...came here and we have been one of the better OLs in the NFL regarding sacks the last two seasons. It will be nice to see what Warhop can do with an OL that has Talent!
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I knew it wasn't Callahan...as he committed already with the Jets. This left some Asst OL coaches on some Playoff teams. And I couldn't figure which one as OL play wasn't really a strength with either team in the SB.
This hire is just fine. Plenty of experience and probably his Run mentality didn't mesh with Martz so he went...before Singletary impressed and demanded on Martz conforming to his O mentality....then fired Martz as one of his first actions as HC.
All I know is the 49ers had one of the worst OLs talent wise. Its tough to coach No Talent. Look at Marshall in Houston...His OLs led the NFL year after year in sacks...came here and we have been one of the better OLs in the NFL regarding sacks the last two seasons. It will be nice to see what Warhop can do with an OL that has Talent!
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Singletary wanted to keep Martz, actually.
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Ok...you are on a contradictory spree here lately.
Don't correct me unless you are right.
My opinion came from this...where did yours come from 
Mike Singletary fires Mike Martz
December 31st, 2008 by Brian Ethridge
Tagged as: NFL, San Francisco 49ers
It didn’t take long for 49ers head coach Mike Singletary to make some changes on his staff — on Tuesday he fired offensive guru Mike Martz.
“After an evaluation period, I felt it was best to go in a different direction,” Singletary said. “This was not an easy decision because I appreciate Mike Martz, and I enjoyed working with him. He is a true professional, and I wish him the best in the future. I do recognize the need for a long-term solution on the offensive side of the ball.”
Martz is a pass happy coordinator and it’s obvious Singletary wants to have a run oriented offense.
Martz won’t have any troubls finding a new coaching gig. He could even get some consideration to fill a head coaching vacancy, but that’s doubtful — although I think he would be a perfect fit with Al Davis in Oakland.
http://sports.popcrunch.com/mike-singletary-fires-mike-martz/
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11208546
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/98458-49ers-singletary-fire-mike-martz
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/30/martz.ap/
Just curious...where did you get your info from
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I agree EO....if the talent lacks, the results will lack.
This guy has been around a long time. He has worked with many different people and talked football with many more. He knows all there is to do in this regard...
He will be just fine.
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even if it's ammo, dunno why you need to hop on him like you did. 1) your links are all from one source, the AP so even though you list 5 of the same exact quotes, it's really only one source. bleacherreport is also a fan site where amateurs post, so they really wouldn't offer anything more than any of the other links. 2) the report that ammo refers to, which i remember vividly, specifically said that singletary wanted to keep martz. the thing was, mike nolan went to bat at the beginning of the season to hire martz, to which the FO was heavily resistant. nolan essentially laid his job on the line to bring in martz. well, nolan was fired, so you would definitely bet that the FO would not want to keep martz. here's the report, per glazer, not some schmo. and let's not get into which reporters are worth our time. we all know schefter and glazer are two of the best in providing real information. Quote:
49ERS — FOXSports.com has learned that the Niners and Mike Singletary are on the verge of agreeing to a new five-year extension, a deal that could be finalized as early as Sunday night. Reports have stated that offensive coordinator Mike Martz will not be retained. Singletary actually wanted to retain him, according to sources, but team brass has urged him to go in another direction.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8996898/Sunday-Scoops:-Glazer's-latest-coaching-update
finally, it's conceivable that people actually had evidence to back their statements up. just because one could pick up any boilerplate AP writing doesn't make them right. we all know how in depth the AP goes in their reports...
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don't really know why you're asking as we all know the good reporters don't give out their sources. like i said though, this isn't a case of "x reporter isn't worth our time but y is" as schefter and glazer have the best reputations on the national level for their sources. keeping it in perspective, we don't ask coachb to release his sources, though we'd love to know who they are. you either believe them or not after they prove they're right enough times. ultimately, the purpose of my post was to show that ammo wasn't pulling something out of his ass...this time 
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Before you go around claiming victory there 
Go look at the date of that article...lets see....there is an article you claim as THE RIGHT ONE 12/28 with "UNAMED SOURCE" as the fact giver.
Me...silly me I chose to follow the 12/31 source...which btw utilizes not an UNAMED SOURCE...but the actual person doing the firing.
So you and dong can shove it 
But I won't hold my breath waiting for your My bad.
Dong I know you and I have gone at it before...but if you're going to flat out say I'M WRONG...you got to bring more to the table than "UNAMED SOURCE" as your foundation of FACT...not when I have the freakin Horses Mouth.
Just cause you ...... arrgghh wish I can say it...lol
Just cause you guys can find something in print doesn't make it fact. When Singletary states they aren't made for each other...I tend to believe him over the "UNAMED SOURCE"
Why I went after him...cause at times I feel Like I got a target on my back. Around 3 posts in a row Ammo for whatever reason was like - No you are wrong, no you are wrong.
Its my opinion...it might not be yours or Ammo's but WRONG it is not!
Here it is again... Plenty of experience and probably his Run mentality didn't mesh with Martz so he went...before Singletary impressed and demanded on Martz conforming to his O mentality....then fired Martz as one of his first actions as HC.
You going to stand there and tell me I'm wrong to. When in fact when Singletary took over the O changed. The O became very conservative with a strict emphasis of RUN! And it was stated by more than one analyst that this was Never a MARTZ offense trait and it was Singletary invoking his will on the team including the OFFENSE. And was it not One of the first things Singletary did as he became the HC????
So Ammo or Dong...and whoever out there cares to. Show me where I'm wrong in the OPINION I state...and if WRONG you better come up with a little more than some bozo's UNAMED SOURCE 
I mean at least give an alternate opinion. The reason I decided to Beech slap Ammo. Is because this was stated as FACT...not an opinion but outright FACT!
Singletary wanted to keep Martz, actually.
It was the FO that forced him out.
PROVE IT...don't prove to me that Ammo isn't a complete fool and made it up. That part I believe...I believe Ammo read something to make him FORM HIS OPINION....but prove to me that ITS FACT!!! I have cause it came from the horses mouth!
JMHO but go ahead keep taking pot shots if it make you feel better.
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i don't really care who's right or wrong about this one because it has nothing to do with the browns. that said, here are some reasons why i would believe glazer's source than just the words of singletary. 1) martz was very receptive to singletary. he didn't try to impose his throwing offense, he adjusted his schemes to fit the 49ers. further, how did frank gore do this year? 1600+ yards, right? that doesn't sound bad to me nor singletary, i'd bet. not when singletary is urged to fire martz, whether that's true or not, what do you expect him to say? "oh, the FO told me to fire him so i did" or "well, you know he's a pass guy and that doesn't mesh with my philosophy." which do you really think is an easier sell? come on now. 2) your horse's mouth really isn't much proof either. how many times have we heard that rac made a decision only to find out later on that it wasn't his decision? classic example? rac finally "deciding" to fire carthon. yea, we know it was rac's decision, simply because he said it, right? riiiite. how about rac "deciding to hire chud." yea that was rac's decision because he said it was. same thing. 3) i never said you were wrong. i merely said, and i hope this was conveyed, that ammo wasn't off base. i remember reading that article and thinking "wow, wasn't expecting that" so when you jumped on ammo for the same thing, of course i'm going to post it. that said, just because it's an "unnamed source" doesn't mean it's not true. like i keep saying, i trust glazer and i trust schefter. i also trust king but he breaks less stories than he provides good interviews. if schefter or glazer says something, based on their reps, i can rest assured that it's true. it's the same leap of faith we make to believe coachb's posts. if you don't believe coachb, you probably won't believe glazer either, or vice versa. maybe you replied in anger or something but that last line seems to be directed at me. i did not take any shots at you. i was merely being fair in posting what i remembered. my opinion is you're putting to much into what singletary said, even though on the surface, it's very straight foward. the thing with using AP articles is it's like if we were steak fanatics and you brought in a steak from outback when we all expect the detail and care of a flemmings/ruth's chris/wherever. the depth and underlying motives or "real" reasons just don't show up. further, it's like a 49er fan comes here with a quote from an AP article telling us that, since RAC said he fired carthon, that it was clearly rac's decision. we'd laugh him right off the forum. oh and don't worry about "going at it" in the past. every post is a clean slate 
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don't really know why you're asking as we all know the good reporters don't give out their sources.
So does every rumor mill on the internet. I tend not believe anything unless I know just WHO the source is.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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"your horse's mouth really isn't much proof either. how many times have we heard that rac made a decision only to find out later on that it wasn't his decision?"
You can pretend all you want dong...I don't care either. And I wasn't making the federal case out of this. And there is probably NOBODY willing to admit they are wrong more than I. To me I'd rather have the Correct Info than incorrect.
But if you think UNAMED INUENDOS is more credible than the horses mouth...I feel sorry for you. But then again who knows maybe you get the Inquirer delivered to your door?
If that was the case there would have been follow up...but the only follow up was SINGLETARY'S first ACT as HC was something he didn't want to do... Yeah okay he'll get a lot of respect that way.
So you can believe all you wish about NO FACTS at all. I'll just take what has been said by the people involved as the fact.
I can't believe I have to continue to defend myself to the ...arrgggh bite my tongue.
Look I don't mind being proven wrong. I've said it several times...I rather have the correct facts out there than be thought of as correct and yet wrong. And guess what sometimes there is no clear cut right or wrong just opinion!
But when I voice my opinion and am told EXPLICITLY that I'm WRONG! You and whatever horse you ride on...better be right!
JMHO - enough of this. Go p on another tree.
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Just for the record, Martz has only been succesful running his offense when he has a succesful running game to go along with great receivers. The fact that Gore got 1,600 yards does not mean anything in your argument because Martz still flat out failed because he had no receivers. So you say that martz adjusted his offense for Singletary while I say Martz ran the ball because that is all he could do! No QB and no WR's= No chance at a succesful passing game.
I'm not trying to get in your squabble, but I had to call that "assumption" out as bogus.
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3) i never said you were wrong. i merely said, and i hope this was conveyed, that ammo wasn't off base. i remember reading that article and thinking "wow, wasn't expecting that" so when you jumped on ammo for the same thing, of course i'm going to post it. that said, just because it's an "unnamed source" doesn't mean it's not true. like i keep saying, i trust glazer and i trust schefter. i also trust king but he breaks less stories than he provides good interviews. if schefter or glazer says something, based on their reps, i can rest assured that it's true. it's the same leap of faith we make to believe coachb's posts. if you don't believe coachb, you probably won't believe glazer either, or vice versa.
maybe you replied in anger or something but that last line seems to be directed at me. i did not take any shots at you. i was merely being fair in posting what i remembered. my opinion is you're putting to much into what singletary said, even though on the surface, it's very straight foward. the thing with using AP articles is it's like if we were steak fanatics and you brought in a steak from outback when we all expect the detail and care of a flemmings/ruth's chris/wherever. the depth and underlying motives or "real" reasons just don't show up. further, it's like a 49er fan comes here with a quote from an AP article telling us that, since RAC said he fired carthon, that it was clearly rac's decision. we'd laugh him right off the forum.
you're trying to make this personal and you're not baiting me here. it's funny that my last post has a reply to your current post already in it. i must be freaking nostradamus...
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i agree with that. i was just trying to draw a line between the two points, but by no means does that make me right.
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"it's funny that my last post has a reply to your current post already in it."
Nah, it might be funny but I rarely read what you write anymore.... 
I know you are but what am I...lol
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you act as if that's supposed to surprise me. it was obvious you didn't read my post, otherwise you wouldn't have missed the fact that i was trying to save you some face...yet you argue with no real reasoning...LMAO. grand ol eo, on his throne, must choose who's post he reads. i could care less, just wanted to point it out to the rest who the real elitist is. just beacuse i happen to challenge you, not even stating that you were wrong, btw, you don't read my posts. yea, you loooove admitting you're wrong. starting to show the real colors there. not too pretty. no wonder you love the other board, they don't challenge you as much and just worship you.
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If you have a problem with eo, take it up in PM.
Like it or not, the man commands respect around here, and far more importantly...this is a football forum. We talk about football here, and are far too obsessed with it to want to hear board members squabble like teenagers.
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